VIP Perk Idea

[Memnir]

For some time now, many people have been saying that the benefits of being a VIP are a bit lacking. I know many VIPs have gone to Premium for that very reason. I have an idea to help with that a bit.


What if VIPs were granted a persistent bonus to all Renown they earn? I'm thinking a 10% bonus - and that would stack with Renown Elixirs and Bonus Renown periods. After all, being a VIP should grant one some measure of prestige and renown right? They are Very Important, after all. This would be a reflection of that, and I can't really see much of a downside to it.

Thoughts?

[Spisey]

Can we choose between +10% renown and +10% stacking tr exp? :D

I like the idea.

[Faelyndel]

I think your suggestion is a nice balance of being significant and beneficial without being overpowering.

While not a long-standing VIP customer myself, I do agree there should be some perks to the people who have stood by the game and continued to support it through it's ups and downs.

[stormarcher]

If turbine were to make VIP's get a 5% Stacking bonus to all exp earned I would bet anything that there VIP sales would increase by %100 no questions. Hands down no questions.

Turbine you like money. We like exp. Lets compromise?? ;)

[Lorien_the_First_One]

For some time now, many people have been saying that the benefits of being a VIP are a bit lacking. I know many VIPs have gone to Premium for that very reason. I have an idea to help with that a bit.


What if VIPs were granted a persistent bonus to all Renown they earn? I'm thinking a 10% bonus - and that would stack with Renown Elixirs and Bonus Renown periods. After all, being a VIP should grant one some measure of prestige and renown right? They are Very Important, after all. This would be a reflection of that, and I can't really see much of a downside to it.

Thoughts?


If turbine were to make VIP's get a 5% Stacking bonus to all exp earned I would bet anything that there VIP sales would increase by %100 no questions. Hands down no questions.

Turbine you like money. We like exp. Lets compromise?? ;)

I like both ideas.

I more importantly, I like the concept that VIP needs to be a little more perky... It doesn't feel very VIP like

[Rumbaar]

I noticed with their introduction of the F2P model to LoTRO they went to a greater effort to give VIP's actual in game benefits on and above what was introduced for DDO.

Currently there is very little incentive over premium to go VIP, from a logical stand point. With the elimination of the Level Sigils it further eroded the VIP benefit model.

As a premium player I wouldn't mind more of an incentive for VIP's.

Interesting enough there is current no benefit via the Friend rewards to have someone become a VIP. It's all premium based incentives.

[xxScoobyDooxx]

/signed

[Bodic]

in game support for what its worth is basically VIP only.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

in game support for what its worth is basically VIP only.

I can't think when the last time I used support was. Most vets know its generally faster to restart than call for help.

[Bodic]

I can't think when the last time I used support was. Most vets know its generally faster to restart than call for help.

I did say for what its worth. I have used it a couple of times here and there and it is quick, but nto alwas much help at all.

[knightgf]

I do agree that VIPS should have more perks in the game to at least equal or somewhat exceed the rate they pay monthly. Currently, the perks offered are too few, although update 7 plans on increasing VIP value by allowing VIPS to unlock elite difficulty from the get-go. What suggestions could I make to improve the perks VIP'S get? Well here are a few:



Increased duration between content releases for VIP/F2P to 7 days. Some may argue that 3 days is enough, but if you like seeing new stuff in the game and can't wait to get it, this may be one of several factors to convince players to go VIP.
Discounts in the DDO store for all items, especially guild buffs. Being able to buy discount rez cakes, shrines, pots, exc., certainly would be a nice perk for VIPS especially when this perk stacks with other discounts to the DDO store. In particular, if one were to look at gold seal guild amenities and calculate the cost per month, it could get out of hand for VIPS even if it were just one item per month.
More attention to 'loyalty' for being a VIP long into the game. If you were VIP for at least a year or more, you should receive rewards that reward you for being subscribed to the game for a certain period of time, or if you are a brand-new subscriber. This is probably one major issue I find with the whole game as a matter of fact: Loyalty. Yes, DDO has recognized loyal players in the past and rewarded them, but ever since the re-roll of this game, I think they've lost all meaning of loyalty. But to get on the track, VIPS should be rewarded various rewards for being a member in various time periods: 1 free TR, additional discounts on payment plans, unlocking adventure packs in the event of cancelation, free +2 tome for being a first-time VIP and other rewards that properly reflect loyalty for being a DDO subscriber for x amount of time.
More 'good' in-game help with quests/raids. I feel that it is absolutely important that every player, whether they be F2P, P2P and especially VIP, should learn the basics of how the game works and how to play it. But for VIP, I feel that paying your moneys worth should allow you to gain an edge over fighting monsters and learning tactics to beat them. For example, if a brand new raid comes out that nobody has done before, tips should pop up on the side when entering the raid, such as "It is important to have a tank for this boss!" or "Look for (item name here) that drops on death from monsters.". Or, if a player gets stuck, or has wiped several times on a raid monster, tips such as "Look at the x bookcase.", or "Watch out for monsters X attack!" can also flash on the side of the screen as well. Additionally, new VIP players could get video tutorials, interactive tutorials(Such as for crafting) and other fancy treats to make the tutorial process of DDO more enjoyable.

Some may argue that this would make the game too easy, and that it would make new content too easy, but even as a VIP, you should still have challenge in a game. Even if, in a new raid, a tip such as "It is important to have a tank for this boss!" appears, players are going to find out if that tip is true or not the first time around, and this will just help save time and frustration if that is the case. If you need to find a item to help defeat a raid boss obtainable in the raid, such as a item dropped by a monster, again, all that will do is save time, not make the raid easier. For example, if the HoX raid was a brand new raid, and running it on day 1 as a VIP, you see the hint, "Look for mind-controlling stones dropped from a certain monster." and clicking on it had more information like, "This stone drops from a monster with a taste in magic, and is used on another monster.", all it would do, again, is save more time by narrowing down what to kill, and what to use the stone on. It does not say what exactly to kill, and what exactly to use the stone on.

Crafting is probably a bit more disputed, because some players will be against losing the challenge of finding all the ingredients for the different recipes of whatever is out there. Well there are two points I must stress here:



The tips only tell you what you can make and how to put it together. Let's say we were talking about shroud crafting, and it was brand new, day 1, no idea what to expect. All you will learn are the recipes available, and how to put them together. You still have the challenge of getting the ingredients to make that item, and the tutorial won't exactly tell you which ingredient drops in which area.
Do you really have fun wasting ingredients? Seriously, lets think about this for a moment: The challenge back in the day when the shroud was new of finding all the recipes was NOT FUN in the slightest. There were so many possibilities for making different types of weapons and clothing, and the steps were so complicated that it was almost impossible to remember if you didn't write down what you did in each step. In addition, ingredients to make these 'discovery runs' were undoubtedly expensive, so in addition to finding one of many methods of crafting greensteel, you also had to spend lots of plat. If this was intended to be a 'goldsink', then its benefits have long, long faded away, and was a bad idea. Very few people had fun and weren't frustrated back when the shroud's crafting system for greensteel came out, and today, if such a system came out, the very same thing would be worse because of the new types of players introduced in DDO's new payment system.


I know I went on a lot with #4, but I felt I had to make a strong explanation for this suggestion, so moving right on along:

5. Additional friends/ignore capacity. Why not? VIP'S are bound to make a lot of friends for many reasons, such as favors, good friendship, and many other reasons! At the same time, they are also bound to attract the bad type of players, such as the "Hi can I have free stuff plox!" type of players or other bad types, so they should have additional capacity to squelch more players. The more friends you make, the more likely you will come across enemies of various types.
That's about it for VIP suggestions. I am sure that with the implementation of elite unlocks for VIP's, Turbine is beginning to get the clue that VIP's need more benefits, but I hope they realize its not the only thing they can do to make VIP's more valued in-game.

[xxScoobyDooxx]

I can't think when the last time I used support was. Most vets know its generally faster to restart than call for help.

I'm no vet and I am vip . It's interesting but I use support at least weekly and I average under 5 minutes to get help. Most of the time its within 2 minutes. Playing in a different time zone probably helps but I have never had a long delay getting help. Maybe I'm just lucky?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I'm no vet and I am vip . It's interesting but I use support at least weekly and I average under 5 minutes to get help. Most of the time its within 2 minutes. Playing in a different time zone probably helps but I have never had a long delay getting help. Maybe I'm just lucky?

Maybe the fact old timers like me game up reduced the queue lol.

Guess maybe I'll try it next time there is a problem.

Still, not a huge perc.

[Lithic]

Turbine made a big mistake in the beginning by giving VIPs so few perks. They should have open elite unlocked from the beginning, and probably a few other nice to have, though unimportant things like free cosmetic changes (hair colour/style, later armor, etc) 1/week or something.

Unfortunately, since a ton of VIPs did go premium, I think that ship has sailed. If Turbine now makes VIP as desireable as VIPs think it should be, then it will certainly anger all the VIPs who went premium. Its easy to go VIP to Premium, but its impossible to go back the other way as all the points spent on VIP things like content are then just gone (ok its not impossible, but it makes as much sense as tossing your money in the garbage disposal).

Of course if any new VIP perks are purchasable in store, then my argument is moot.

[Auran82]

From memory when update 7 comes out, VIPs will be able to open quests on elite without having done them before.

I read that somewhere.

[Antheal]

Discounts in the DDO store for all items, especially guild buffs. Being able to buy discount rez cakes, shrines, pots, exc., certainly would be a nice perk for VIPS especially when this perk stacks with other discounts to the DDO store. In particular, if one were to look at gold seal guild amenities and calculate the cost per month, it could get out of hand for VIPS even if it were just one item per month.

Couldn't it be argued that VIPs get 500 TP worth of "store discount" every month?

[Autolycus]

Turbine made a big mistake in the beginning by giving VIPs so few perks. They should have open elite unlocked from the beginning, and probably a few other nice to have, though unimportant things like free cosmetic changes (hair colour/style, later armor, etc) 1/week or something.

Unfortunately, since a ton of VIPs did go premium, I think that ship has sailed. If Turbine now makes VIP as desireable as VIPs think it should be, then it will certainly anger all the VIPs who went premium. Its easy to go VIP to Premium, but its impossible to go back the other way as all the points spent on VIP things like content are then just gone (ok its not impossible, but it makes as much sense as tossing your money in the garbage disposal).

Of course if any new VIP perks are purchasable in store, then my argument is moot.

Agreed. I just went Premium at the beginning of the month after being VIP since I signed up in July last year. After just spending $100 on points to buy all the packs, and other stuff this month, I won't be going back since I would have just wasted all that money. And I'm not the only one, two other members of our ~6man guild just went Premium after being subscribed for longer than me.

Edit: For what it's worth, I think the idea in the OP for bonus renown is fine. Of course, I don't care about guild levels, etc..

[Bacab]

I like most of the ideas put forward here.

Here is an idea I had...its kinda weird but give it a shot...

VIP have only a 48 hour window before they can re-run a raid...

Would that be broken? Or do you guys think it would be a neat in-game (aka non Turbine Point) perk.

It would not hurt Premiums (can not really hurt F2P since they do not get any raids that have a timer).

Any thoughts?

[MeliCat]

'Perky'

i like the word 'perky'

it's often a great adjective to a noun that is frequently thought about by members in game: well so judging from my partying experiences.

so any additional perkiness i think is a good idea...

[oOI_Dissolution_IOo]

I think Turbine /Warner Bro. has handled the F2P aspect of online gaming brilliantly.

I have seen many free online games and even some P2P that have screwed the pooch on this in countless ways.Many of them either forcing you to pay to play competitively, or leaving the game sickeningly unbalanced for a F2P player.

The unlocking ability is smart, being able to pay to open it earlier is a good choice. However, in the spirit of the post I will say that I went VIP simply because having all content open to me seemed to be smarter than paying for each one as I went. The shared bank is fantastic etc. The 500 TP even better.

With that being said. I could purchase these things and never pay another cent. Some VIP only perks would definitely bring the company some more revenue and keep VIP players wanting to keep paying for something that can be purchased once and avoid a monthly cost.

I have already been writing down figures to see how much it would cost to just buy the content and go back to Premium.

1. Experience for a first time toon bumped is a little much. Reduced experience loss for a TR sounds good.

2. Renown is a great idea


My suggestions, while trying to avoid overpowering the VIP Player.


1. Purchasable in game gold seal hirelings for in game plat for VIP members. Or a VIP hireling vendor that allow multiple hirelings at once. Could have a restriction that forces Gold Seal hirelings to remain superior, such as a shorter useable time or a cap of say (3) three VIP Hirelings at one time. We'll call them Silver Seal Hirelings =P

2. 28 point builds for F2P (w/o unlock), 30 point builds for VIP if applicable race (w/o unlock), 32 point builds for all with unlock (or TP purchase)

3. Reiterating reduced exp loss on TR builds.

4. The Elite setting from the beginning (think this one is in the works from the sound of it).

5. Tavern regeneration bonus (stackable w/ favor bonus)


Just my two cents. I haven't played since launch and am absolutely relearning the game and some of my suggestions may not make sense to someone who has been a regular, but I do think the VIP perks should give stronger purpose behind paying $15.00 a month when I can feasibly get almost everything I have now with a bit more patience.

[Clay]

nice idea!

[phalaeo]

I'm fine with it, but it wouldn't impact me much- I couldn't care less about renown. :(

[slimkj]

I'm VIP and would like to see something better than is currently offered (seeing L5 content two days early doesn't float my boat), but I'm not sure I like the link between money and in-game progress being further strengthened by a suggestion like this.

I know, stable door, horse bolted... but it feels like this is another (admittedly small) layer on top of the store to add to the "money wins" feeling I have about some of the game now. Moreso the direct personal XP suggestion than the guild renown suggestion, although the latter obviously has its own in-game benefits as GL increases.

I don't mind, I have money to spend on my hobby/leisure but I worry about widening the divide for those who don't and can't afford VIP.

[vVAnjilaVv]

/unsigned.

I was a former "ViP" long before DDO went F2P and switched to premium shortly after, I still spend as much on this game as I did when I was a subscriber, except I get to choose when I want to spend my money.

ViP's already get a ton of perks, I still don't know what they are crying about.

Free access to WF'ed & Monk, 500 free TP's a month, early access to new content, free shared bank, 10 character slots....blah blah blah...seriously, if ViP's are gonna get more for being a ViP then I want more for being in a high tier amongst people spend a lot who are premium.

[Bacab]

/unsigned.

I was a former "ViP" long before DDO went F2P and switched to premium shortly after, I still spend as much on this game as I did when I was a subscriber, except I get to choose when I want to spend my money.

ViP's already get a ton of perks, I still don't know what they are crying about.


Anjila you mind telling us what these "Ton of perks" are?

Only thing I see is seeing content 5 days in advance.

The 500 TP a month for 15$ is not really a perk. That is a really bad price for TP.

Do you see any 500TP for 15$ bundles?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

/unsigned.

I was a former "ViP" long before DDO went F2P and switched to premium shortly after, I still spend as much on this game as I did when I was a subscriber, except I get to choose when I want to spend my money.

ViP's already get a ton of perks, I still don't know what they are crying about.

Free access to WF'ed & Monk, 500 free TP's a month, early access to new content, free shared bank, 10 character slots....blah blah blah...seriously, if ViP's are gonna get more for being a ViP then I want more for being in a high tier amongst people spend a lot who are premium.

Couldn't have been that good a deal, it didn't hold you and many others.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Couldn't have been that good a deal, it didn't hold you and many others.

I didn't leave ViP because I didn't like what it offered, I left because I simply like being able to choose when I spend my money and the concept of owning what I spend it on more.

Even if they added more perks to being a ViP I still would not go back to leasing the game.

[Robi3.0]

Memnir I like your renown idea less then given VIPs bonus XP. Here is why renown effects the guild as a whole not just one person the why individual XP does. If this were implemented I foresee an increase in VIP only guilds. I know that you don't have to tell people your not VIP, but why should I have to hide that or lie when I am asked.


Also someone had mentioned loyalty rewards which is also a good Idea. If you remain VIP for X months you get X loyalty package. It shouldn't be huge, but I see nothing wrong getting a stack of xp potions every six months or whatever. I however disagree with the idea that VIP=Loyalty, but that's semantics I suppose.

Also don't forget in update 7 VIPs are getting 2 new races for free. I and everyone else will have to pay for those.

[Robi3.0]

Anjila you mind telling us what these "Ton of perks" are?

Only thing I see is seeing content 5 days in advance.

The 500 TP a month for 15$ is not really a perk. That is a really bad price for TP.

Do you see any 500TP for 15$ bundles?


Couldn't have been that good a deal, it didn't hold you and many others.

hurray for flawed logic!

[Schwarzie]

I didn't leave ViP because I didn't like what it offered, I left because I simply like being able to choose when I spend my money and the concept of owning what I spend it on more.You dont owe it. You bascally just bought a lifetime using licence.

[Zombiekenny]

Honestly, Premium, the way it is set up is basically like a lifetime sub to content, where as VIP is renting that content for less up front cost. Thats the way it should be, thats the way I like it. There shouldn't be any more perks for VIP, its two different payment methods for the same end result, or at least it should be.

[Gunga]

Mem, you're all the VIP perk I need.

That and the 10%.

/signed

[MateCarefor]

Off-Topic:
Thanks for the neg rep, sorry I thought the earlier derail was inappropriate; I reckin I deserve to be dinged for attempting to ding someone else, and saying as much. Apologies.

On-Topic:
If there was a 10% favor increase, that would remove 'x' amount of dungeons per tier accomplishment, right?
So...would a VIP then be able to access Silver Flame and Yugoloth pots too early in the favor race to be balanced?
While nice for subscribers, I may have to say in hindsight that it could be construed as unfair or 'buying' advantage.

Mebbe some anniversary presents like Guild Wars?
after 1 year, a gold sahuagin for vip, a silver for premium, a copper for f2p that can be used for [some effect]
or a pet ooze...everyone loves an ooze, right? :D

[Robi3.0]

You dont owe it. You bascally just bought a lifetime using licence.

But wouldn't that mean she bought and now owns a lifetime use license?



10% favor increase is a bad idea as well, as the whole favor system would need reworked. Plus not everyone cares about favor so it would target a relatively small group of VIPs which is why opening on Hard first time is not seen as a super great perk.

[Bozone]

I'm not sure whether, from an income perspective, VIP is preferred over premium or not. I think Turbine makes more on long term VIP's, but it would be interesting to know how many VIP's keep subscribing for ... six months ... a year ... or more. I would guess that longevity is more important in terms of keeping the game going.

Maybe it would encourage keeping subs going if there were longevity bonuses for VIP's, like 2% xp for 6 months, additional 3% at one year, then 1% each year after that? If you drop sub, the bonus is lost. For the players that have been here for 4 yrs, that would be about 8% xp bonus - doesn't seem unbalancing to me. They could use different numbers.

They could do this in addition to annual gifts or other ideas in this thread. Just another thought. I'm premium, so it doesn't matter to me. I don't have a problem with giving added perks to VIP's, but I'm also not convinced that they need more. To me it's just two alternative ways to pay for the game. Different options work better for different people.

If I was Turbine, I'd be interested in structuring the perks to encourage longevity and to a lesser extent activity. I suspect the more you play, the more likely you are giving them money. It would be hard to do that, maybe, with premium, but should be easy with VIP's. If they keep paying the subscription, Turbine is getting what they want.

[Fomori]

Per the logic from a buddy of mine that plays DDO... Its all relative to beer costs. 1 beer w/tip = $5.

Therefore for his VIP sub and any TP points he spends he relates it to how many beers it costs him. His sub plan comes to $10 a month so just 2 beers. Also, it has the added benefit of not consuming the calories of those 2 beers!


(PS: Beer cost with tip reflects the purchases made by the owner and individual results may vary. Please consult your physician before starting on this diet regiment. Void where prohibited by Law.)

[Schwarzie]

But wouldn't that mean she bought and now owns a lifetime use license?Yes and No. If Turbine decides to change the quests he has to live with that. If turbine decides to shut down the servers he has to live with that.

He may use that content as long as Turbine says he can. If you would truly have bought it it would be yours to do with it as you see fit.

Buying "Lifetime" Abos or buying the stuff via a Micropayment system both have two serious flaws. You basically place a bet against the producer of the game and you loose your only influence you had. Right now you are a customer who already payed for the content. Theres basically no real reason to keep you in the game. Actually keeping such a person in the game would reduce profit.


10% favor increase is a bad idea as well, as the whole favor system would need reworked. Plus not everyone cares about favor so it would target a relatively small group of VIPs which is why opening on Hard first time is not seen as a super great perk.Still every single bit helps. In the long run Vips pay the game. Premiums already invested the money for the content, maybe they buy consumables etc from the store, but the same holds true for VIPs. Whats in a year? Preiums wont buy more then one Vale of Twilight, Premiums wont buy more then one Shavarath Pack. Vips pay constantly.

Some people counted all the Packs etc together and the whole content was worth around one Year VIP subscription. If thats true then every premium who plays longer then a year is a bad deal and every VIP who plays less then one year also.

[Lithic]

Yes and No. If Turbine decides to change the quests he has to live with that. If turbine decides to shut down the servers he has to live with that.

He may use that content as long as Turbine says he can. If you would truly have bought it it would be yours to do with it as you see fit.

Buying "Lifetime" Abos or buying the stuff via a Micropayment system both have two serious flaws. You basically place a bet against the producer of the game and you loose your only influence you had. Right now you are a customer who already payed for the content. Theres basically no real reason to keep you in the game. Actually keeping such a person in the game would reduce profit.

Still every single bit helps. In the long run Vips pay the game. Premiums already invested the money for the content, maybe they buy consumables etc from the store, but the same holds true for VIPs. Whats in a year? Preiums wont buy more then one Vale of Twilight, Premiums wont buy more then one Shavarath Pack. Vips pay constantly.

Some people counted all the Packs etc together and the whole content was worth around one Year VIP subscription. If thats true then every premium who plays longer then a year is a bad deal and every VIP who plays less then one year also.

By your definition, people only buy lifetime liscences to thier cars. They can only drive them as long as the government says they can. They can only go where there are roads. They can only drive within a few hundred kilometers of gas stations. They can't run over people who wear blue pants with red shirts, etc, etc, etc.

[vVAnjilaVv]

If Turbine decides to change the quests he has to live with that. If turbine decides to shut down the servers he has to live with that.

He may use that content as long as Turbine says he can. If you would truly have bought it it would be yours to do with it as you see fit.



I'm not a he, get it right, and no it's not ok for you to assume everyone who plays this game is a he.

[Bacab]

I'm not a he, get it right, and no it's not ok for you to assume everyone who plays this game is a he.

Is it ok for me to assume that a person's sex does not matter at all?

In EVERY DnD book they refer to every NPC as SHE.

[Noctus]

I'm not a he, get it right, and no it's not ok for you to assume everyone who plays this game is a he.


To me personally it sounds very sexist to place so much emphasis on personal pronouns. In a context where the sex of a poster has absolutely zero relevance.

[Phidius]

... They can't run over people who wear blue pants with red shirts, etc, etc, etc.

That depends entirely on which state you live in.

[Robi3.0]

Yes and No. If Turbine decides to change the quests he has to live with that. If turbine decides to shut down the servers he has to live with that.

He may use that content as long as Turbine says he can. If you would truly have bought it it would be yours to do with it as you see fit.

Buying "Lifetime" Abos or buying the stuff via a Micropayment system both have two serious flaws. You basically place a bet against the producer of the game and you loose your only influence you had. Right now you are a customer who already payed for the content. Theres basically no real reason to keep you in the game. Actually keeping such a person in the game would reduce profit.
/golf clap. Thanks you good sir for stating the obvious. "lifetime" in the case of a persistent game means for the life of the game not the player. You honestly think that anyone that has purchased a lifetime sub to LotRo, Star Trek online, or Champions Online honestly expects to be playing the game 40 yrs from now?

And your wrong Turbine has just as much incentive to keep a premium players playing as they do a VIP. If players are playing they will spend money more often then not.
Still every single bit helps. In the long run Vips pay the game. Premiums already invested the money for the content, maybe they buy consumables etc from the store, but the same holds true for VIPs. Whats in a year? Preiums wont buy more then one Vale of Twilight, Premiums wont buy more then one Shavarath Pack. Vips pay constantly.

VIps may pay 15 dollar every month but premium players wanting to play new content must buy that as well. I fail to see the difference people willing to spend money will. People who are not willing wont. Turbine wants our money they don't care how we give it to them.

Some people counted all the Packs etc together and the whole content was worth around one Year VIP subscription. If thats true then every premium who plays longer then a year is a bad deal and every VIP who plays less then one year also.
Every little bit doesn't help if it did you would not get people posting every other week about how VIP isn't worth it and then go on to over look VIP perks like Queue priority, Lamma beta access, opening on hard and free acces to Monk and WF. Hell in this thread there is at least one post that claim VIP is a glorified 500 TP for 15 dollars an month purchase plan.

VIP offers everything that is considered industry standard for a subscription based MMO for the price of the industry standard 15 dollar a month + 500 tp to do with what you please. That is a fair deal everything else you get is icy on the cake. If that is not good enough for you then for gods' sake quit *****ing about it and switch to premium.

I am all for extra VIP perks but this VIPs need 10% extra of this and 10% extra of that is getting redonklious. If this were not a F2p game you would be paying what you are now for what you get now - 500 TP and would hopefully be happy about it.

Just cause it says you are VIP doesn't mean that you are entitled to anything more than what is outlined under the VIP plan. just cause you don't "feel" VIP doesn't mean you doesn't mean you deserve 10% extra of everything earned in game.

In red

[Schwarzie]

By your definition, people only buy lifetime liscences to thier cars. They can only drive them as long as the government says they can. They can only go where there are roads. They can only drive within a few hundred kilometers of gas stations. They can't run over people who wear blue pants with red shirts, etc, etc, etc.
Nope. Thats not even remotely comparable. You own your car, even if there are a few outside things MAY influence the free use of it.


vVAnjilaVv[/B]]I'm not a he, get it right, and no it's not ok for you to assume everyone who plays this game is a he. It wasnt my intention to insult you in any way with my response. But apart from that i dont really care if youre male or female. And in MMOs i ALWAYS assume first that the person i talk to is male. Simply because its true in the vast majority of cases.

[Autolycus]

I'm not a he, get it right, and no it's not ok for you to assume everyone who plays this game is a he.

I don't think there was any insult intended. When I went to school back in the dark ages, we were taught to use the masculine form of the pronoun when the person's sex is unknown. Over the years, and in different locations, people may have been taught differently.

[Loftus]

I still have a sour taste in my mouth from when I went VIP. This is the highest pay to play option you can do and they just don't take care of you and you are paying to play. MAJOR, MAJOR GRIPE ALERT!!! as a VIP you should immediately have all races and classes available to you. It even says in there charts that you are supposed to have all races and classes available to you and you don't. You add monk and warforged... Now that is ridiculous. You should also be allowed to choose as a sign on bonus either 32 point build or veteran status. I don't really care about various percents off from this or that. More DDO points should also be included, I mean lets face it, this is a virtual world they are not selling real items on the DDO store so throw us a virtual bone and give more points in the every month thing. Did I mention that I was still peaved over the not all character and race access? just makin sure thanks...