the worst advice you have ever been given

[jcTharin]

I'm kind of interested in what people have heard. So whats the worst advice someone has ever given you about the game?

So far the worst I ever got was someone telling me to splash a level of bard on my rogue so that I could help buff the party.

Things like that just leave me speechless, at least for a few minuets. :D

[sirgog]

'Stand back and just heal' on my FvS20 (previously Clr18/Ftr2).

'Don't have two healers in your party or more than three in a raid'

'50 AC is worth more than an extra 200 hp'

[stormarcher]

Me: "Dude you got fort?"


Dude: "if you have 300+ hp you don't need fortification"

[sirgog]

Me: "Dude you got fort?"


Dude: "if you have 300+ hp you don't need fortification"



/facepalm.

Although it is true at levels 10-14 or so.

I have, however, run Shroud several times as an experiment on a toon with ~70 AC, evasion and self-cast Fireshield, ~300hp and only moderate fortification, and have never died in there, mainly because Harry hasn't succeeded in confirming a crit.

Don't copy me though - I was messing around.

[Dark_Helmet]

I'm kind of interested in what people have heard. So whats the worst advice someone has ever given you about the game?

So far the worst I ever got was someone telling me to splash a level of bard on my rogue so that I could help buff the party.

Things like that just leave me speechless, at least for a few minuets. :D

Check out JC's builds. :D


"Let the person with the loot gem open the chest" and then listening to them YELL at someone who opened it who didn't have a loot gem working.

[Belowme]

"Let the person with the loot gem open the chest" and then listening to them YELL at someone who opened it who didn't have a loot gem working.


CUE EFF TEE!!!!

I've tried to stamp out this particular smouldering ember of misinformation. These days, I merely sit back and watch it burn. S'mores anyone?

[Fattiest]

"She is a great girl, She'll make a great wife" Yeah right, Freken ****...

Oh, Wait,,,,,,,, this is about the game................................

Move along, nothing to see here.

[Bloodhaven]

13+ CHA on a FVS is a good idea!


/fail

[Memnir]

"Bastard swords are better then khopesh - I've done the math." - every other day in the Harbor in Gen Chat. :rolleyes:

[Lorien_the_First_One]

My old guild leader 4 years ago when I was new...

"8 con is plenty for Rogues and Sorcs because you shouldn't be hit anyway"

[HeavenlyCloud]

/facepalm.

Although it is true at levels 10-14 or so.

I have, however, run Shroud several times as an experiment on a toon with ~70 AC, evasion and self-cast Fireshield, ~300hp and only moderate fortification, and have never died in there, mainly because Harry hasn't succeeded in confirming a crit.

Don't copy me though - I was messing around.

Don't try this at home without professional supervision.

[Dragonhyde]

You can't run that quest without a cleric/fvs because you know bards can't heal...and the ever popular Don't waste your time singing here the Beholder will dispel them.:D

[Clay]

What are you doing in the harbour every other day??

You a noob?

Man, you must suk!

[Memnir]

What are you doing in the harbour every other day??

You a noob?

Man, you must suk!You know how slow I level. :)

...well, that and the suk/noob thing. There is truth to be had in that, too. :D

[Doganpc]

I think it was when that servant of the silver flame handed me a club and said something to the likes of, Here use this to dispatch those nasty skeletons with. Yeah, that worked out well.

Dogan
Or did you mean forum/player advice? :D

[Oolung]

this wasn't me, but watching someone new to Titan:

New Guy: Ok, how is this going to work?

Leader: One person gathers the crystals, which powers the lazer. when his shields pop up, the lazer is the only way to hurt him, but the Titan has to fall over first. When the lazer is powered and in position, I want <new guy> to run up and trip him.then run as fast as you can to avoid getting killed by the lazer.

I highlighted the "different" part

Poor new guy got crushed by a pillar before he could try :D

[AyumiAmakusa]

Weapon Finesse lets you ignore Str completely!

Stupid rogue trying to convince me that.

[AbsynthMinded]

I'm kind of interested in what people have heard. So whats the worst advice someone has ever given you about the game?

So far the worst I ever got was someone telling me to splash a level of bard on my rogue so that I could help buff the party.

Things like that just leave me speechless, at least for a few minuets. :D

" Try it, and see.."

[MrWizard]

armor class is useless, worthless...heard this from day one to today...

worst advice ever...

usually told to me by someone wearing some kind of armor (makes no sense eh?)

[Junts]

/facepalm.

Although it is true at levels 10-14 or so.

I have, however, run Shroud several times as an experiment on a toon with ~70 AC, evasion and self-cast Fireshield, ~300hp and only moderate fortification, and have never died in there, mainly because Harry hasn't succeeded in confirming a crit.

Don't copy me though - I was messing around.

It isn't true then either.

[Aashrym]

"Stand back and sing or whatever bards do. We'll let the rogue tank."

The bard has 120 more hp and 4 higher AC than the rogue at the time.

[Varhann]

My first week and my first rogue.

Guild leader : "Don't bother with UMD. You never get it high enough to work all the time".

[Ebuddy]

"Dude...you should quit trying to level that ranger. Rangers aren't worth it. They can't solo and they'll never kill as many bad guys as the other classes."

This was when WOP was still working the old way....

[twizznach]

"go f..... yourself" was the worst advice i ever got...

[ragwa1]

Said by a barb: "You don't need pots cause there's a healer in the group. If I die it's his fault."

[cpito]

"Listen to Wobert"

[kelemvelor]

Here is one on the general chat in Argo;

Rogues do not need CON. It only adds health so leave it at 8. You can take toughness to cover for it. Put your points into DEX for evasion.

You can literally hear the simultaneous face palms from across the world

[Enir]

'Typing /death will just teleport you back to your bind spot' - forget to say that it kills you and damages all your equipment (unless you are in a tavern).

'Use diplomacy on chests to get better loot' - from a couple years ago

[cptcruch]

Well after i took a 3 month break my guildies told me after i cameback, to see my kill count type /killcount...................needless to say i died!

worst advice ever given

[jcTharin]

'Typing /death will just teleport you back to your bind spot' - forget to say that it kills you and damages all your equipment (unless you are in a tavern).

'Use diplomacy on chests to get better loot' - from a couple years ago

type /death count and it will show you the total number of times you died.

they got me with that. i just look back and laugh now

[Starlytes]

Guild leader from Mabar server days way back when there was a Mabar Server an cap was lvl 10

Do not roll a WF race ... they suck

[TheBroken_JPK]

A month or two ago;

Me: I don't know if I want to be an Undead Hunter or KotC.
TR party member: Skeletons are considered evil outsiders, so take KoTC. You will damage undead, also.

I end up deciding to take Undead Hunter while leveling. I buy two warhammers of Greater Evil Outsider Bane weapons thinking I will mess these skeletons up something fierce.

Me: ***? This doesn't work on undead.

Then I later find out its a bug that KoTC is working on undead. Its not because undead are considered evil outsiders. LOL! Oh well.

[archangelspeed]

My first week and my first rogue.

Guild leader : "Don't bother with UMD. You never get it high enough to work all the time".

Of all of the bad advice and bad quest instructions, this is hands down the harshest bad advice i've read thus far. Gebus no UMD as a rogue... hurts my soul deep.

-Angel

[AltheaSteelrain]

Stop charming those oozes!~ We need that conquest bonus!
- PUG guy, last words before I stopped charming them.

Stop charming kobolds please! It ruins DPS
- PUG dude, last words before zerging and dying.

Why didn't you take Snowball swarm? Noob, now we have a gimp wizard!
- PUG person, in catacombs.

Stop charming undead! We have a cleric already!
- same PUG person above, inside catacombs

Random stuff while playing my gimp while on timer.

[Winter_storm]

Running on my Rogue...

Wait trap...

Don't worry... ##zap## Death

ok trap disabled

[Winter_storm]

On my Wizard

Lets buff first

Don't need buffs zerg ##zap## death

[Bodic]

the best of the worst advice I have ever heard.

"Taking 20 lvls of Ranger is the worst AA build you can have thus you are gimp" this wad said to a guildy off mine.

[khaldan]

In a tell, back when people were liable to die in shroud part 4

"Hey, go up there and touch the portal as soon as we beat part 4!"

[Hadrian]

Guild leader from Mabar server days way back when there was a Mabar Server an cap was lvl 10

Do not roll a WF race ... they suck

There have been a lot of changes since then. It's not the same thing to have received advice that was valid at the time but no longer applies. :)

[Fattiest]

"go f..... yourself" was the worst advice i ever got...

Hmmm,

I thought that was pretty good advice, especially when the servers are down.


:rolleyes:

[Karavek]

/facepalm.

Although it is true at levels 10-14 or so.

I have, however, run Shroud several times as an experiment on a toon with ~70 AC, evasion and self-cast Fireshield, ~300hp and only moderate fortification, and have never died in there, mainly because Harry hasn't succeeded in confirming a crit.

Don't copy me though - I was messing around.

I personal still dont understand this idea of the shroud being so very tough. Games only gotten easier since the old days and I still recall my first run on the shroud so long ago.

I was running a 7/7 ranger rogue dex focussed character. For the end boss I was wearinga walk around ac of 42, TWF with a rapier and dagger. The rapier was shock of greater lawful outsider bane, and the dagger was holy silver of greater lawful outsider bane. I was able to buff my own ac up to about 52 for short periods, and I had no trouble hitting the guy nor staying alive with less then 300 hp and only mod fort. We where down to one cleric who had no issue rezzing me if I did die as I always gave clerics 20 scrolls of such as well as any mana pots I had stocked up on over my adventures.

Back then it was simply good custom to help a cleric cover the cost now days I only hear heal me heal me when I roll a cleric and they expect it even if the mana runs out. But never do they offer to help cover the costs.

We beat the end guy with only 8 men after a few gave up. It was actually easier after because it let our main tank seem to finally catch the guys aggro and our one cleric to focus on him. We gang banged the big guy and got our loot.

Was not even that special as many where already doing short manned elite runs of shroud back with a cap far below 20.

Point is really mod fort and sub par HP is not the end of the world if you know what your doing. It in fact is the best way to find real challenge in this game. You dont need silly OPed monsters on epic setting you just need to choose to make a build that is more about fun then the need to walk through everything with as little risk as possible.

[pumagirl418]

going into the blue dragon in Tor, when it first came out, on my human rog
guildie says "use this [vicious dragon bane simi]."
me "uhm, its vicious"
guildie replies "just jump out and heal between hits"

(nope didn't use it, just shook my head and returned it after the battle)

[Tobril]

Clerics can't melee harry and still heal the party.

Amazing that so few people can do this.

[norman_quickfinger]

Saw this in the advice channel:

Noob: How do I get in Durks backdoor?

Reply: Try whiskey and nibble on his ear.

[SaneDitto]

"Righteousness works on Ghostly Skeletons."

On one hand, it really does. On the other hand...probably not the way I thought it would work.

Needless to say, the chicken leg of the Holy Flame got some use that day.

[DToNE]

Dude: How many points did you put into heal?
Me: 0
Dude: You're gimped, you should reroll. Heal (skill) is the most important part of Cleric.



Hm, don't think I'll be using medkits to heal incapacitated people any time soon.

[Rubiconn]

Pug group with my lvl 6 rogue 2 days ago in depths chain.

Me question:Hey cleric why arent you healing anyone?

Answer from cleric who somehow got to level 7:You cant heal people when they are moving they dont get the full hitpoints.

I had to stop as I was stunned, this doesnt exactly qualify as advice given to me but someone told this guy something that was Waaaaayyyyyyy wrong.

I just stood there sent a tell to the fighter in the group, "Did he just say that?" fighter answered "Yeah I think we are going to die!!"

[Bracosius]

going into the blue dragon in Tor, when it first came out, on my human rog
guildie says "use this [vicious dragon bane simi]."
me "uhm, its vicious"
guildie replies "just jump out and heal between hits"

(nope didn't use it, just shook my head and returned it after the battle)

I am wondering what you used instead of the greater dragon bane vicious scimmitar.

It is a misconception that vicious is always bad to use, it adds 2d6 untyped damage and most clerics overheal with mass cures/heals anyway. So more damage is always better. And on top of that it was greater dragon bane.

[Tobril]

I am wondering what you used instead of the greater dragon bane vicious scimmitar.

It is a misconception that vicious is always bad to use, it adds 2d6 untyped damage and most clerics overheal with mass cures/heals anyway. So more damage is always better. And on top of that it was greater dragon bane.


Agreed.

That is a weapon that would make a decent velah beater, let alone the tor dragons.

What is a couple of points per swing when a dragon is biting your head off for hundreds of damage?

If you have a monstrous AC you'll kill the dragon before running out of HP. If you don't have the AC then you will likely need healing support and the mild damage from vicious won't matter much at all.

[pumagirl418]

I am wondering what you used instead of the greater dragon bane vicious scimmitar.

It is a misconception that vicious is always bad to use, it adds 2d6 untyped damage and most clerics overheal with mass cures/heals anyway. So more damage is always better. And on top of that it was greater dragon bane.

it was plain dragon bane, i think i had perhaps about 150 hp back then, and staying in for backstab and dmg was better than swinging vicious, stopping, wand/pot healing, and continuing.
its been so long i cannot remember our healer... plus that was back when we were too dumb to get off the coins DOH! well everyone was still learning it back then lol
i cannot remember what weapons i used back then, but my rog has always gotten the most love, which means the best gear i can get her.



as for getting dragon bit that requires aggro, but the pally did that day... my guildie... another one gone from ddo :(
i do know that was back in the "hero method" days... heal the main tank and screw da party... so happy its not like that nowadays with all the mass spells

[cwfergtx]

Constant tells as I was advancing one of my favorite toons to Fighter 17/Rogue 2/Cleric 1. Was sometime more able to get find traps, disable and detect secret doors more than some with higher rogue splash. Love to surprise clerics and wizards by giving DV's.

[AyumiAmakusa]

it was plain dragon bane, i think i had perhaps about 150 hp back then, and staying in for backstab and dmg was better than swinging vicious, stopping, wand/pot healing, and continuing.
its been so long i cannot remember our healer... plus that was back when we were too dumb to get off the coins DOH! well everyone was still learning it back then lol
i cannot remember what weapons i used back then, but my rog has always gotten the most love, which means the best gear i can get her.



as for getting dragon bit that requires aggro, but the pally did that day... my guildie... another one gone from ddo :(
i do know that was back in the "hero method" days... heal the main tank and screw da party... so happy its not like that nowadays with all the mass spells

The vicious weapons don't affect you too much as long as you have enough heals. I regularly party with ppl using Vicious weapons and as the cleric, I don't mind too much.

[Razcar]

The vicious weapons don't affect you too much as long as you have enough heals. I regularly party with ppl using Vicious weapons and as the cleric, I don't mind too much.The Vicious self damage used to be double compared to what it is now. And people had less HP when the level cap was lower, there was no Toughness enhancements for most, and there was much less HP-adding loot. So Vicious used to be more daft than it is now.

[yk49]

"play a drow - they are just that cool."

um, nope.

[Templarion]

Ah... The worst advices. They are the best. ;-)

Newbie in advice channel: "How should I multiclass my cleric?"
Evil me in advice channel: "Cleric-wizard builds are awesome. Try that."
No one else says anything. After 5 mins newbie contacts me.
Newbie telling me: "No really. What should I multiclass my cleric with?"
Evil me responding: "Yeah really. If you multiclass cleric and wizard you get double spell points."
Newbie: "Oh, really? Thx mate. I try that."

Never asked if he really tried it. However, I got a nice warm feeling.

I also tried to convince some newbie that you get completionist bonus if you multiclass every class at least once but some brick told him that I am a liar. Boooring.

[stoopid_cowboy]

Clerics can't melee harry and still heal the party.

Amazing that so few people can do this.

Hahaha I did this while tendon slicing Harry the other night. The whole party, including the other FvS, thought we were gonna wipe! Hahahaaha
Much to their surprise, he had half his mana left, I had three quarters of mine, and everyone was still alive.

Some great advice I gave the other night in PoP after we killed the endboss WF, "Did anyone grab the docent?"

*ding*
player x has died
player x: I hate you Yuda

yuda :D

[k1dwizard]

I dont remember who this person was, but my guild leader was running a shroud, cap was still 16 i think, and he declined some one because we were waiting for some other guildies to fill.

dude: why did you decline me?
guildy: what part of reserved didnt you understand?
dude: im a ranged ranger, you dont have any rangers in your group, you will never complete without a ranged ranger
Guildy cuts pastes and puts the message into party chat.

to this day we all threaten to make a ranged ranger just so we can complete the shroud. it was a valid statement when that was the only way you could beat harry, but this was way past that point, no need for the pins and needles approach haha!

[Narmolanya]

"Bastard swords are better then khopesh - I've done the math." - every other day in the Harbor in Gen Chat. :rolleyes:

This arguement has gone on for a long time and I can't understand why.

To figure it myself once I ran Tangleroot explorer using sword and board. First pass I used a kopesh second run used bastard sword, both were plain wepons with no + or elemental effects. I logged over 1,000 hits on each including crits. No suprise the kopesh far outshined the bastard sword and this was with no improved crit. With IC the gap only widens more.

So the next day I am running in Gianthold and some one tells me bastard swords do more damage than kopeshes. I agrues back and use my recently found numbers on the fact to back up my arument.

The response........

"You can't tell anything from a 1,000 hits. The law of averages will say bastard sword will do more damage overall."

Don't let the facts get in the way. Even my cat facepalmed over that one.
http://i822.photobucket.com/albums/zz141/jishinmukade/050.jpg

[yawumpus]

"bastards swords are better [than khopeshes]".

As far as I can tell, bastard swords are more effective than khopeshes until you have imp. crit slashing (you might get ahead with a bloodstone, 40 strength, or +5 keen and good effects). As far as I know, the gimped "war-cleric" path hasn't a chance of doing more damage with that khopesh than a bastard sword.

"healing skill is ... important for clerics"

Something every low-level solo melee type learns is that shrines are for restoring hp. Heal skill helps that. Now my main toon is dragging around a whole load of heal skill until I either GR/TR him.

"fortification isn't needed"

The first fortification item you run across is uglydude's loincloth. Using that means you lose your lesser false life item (one of the korthos items you can keep to level 7 or so) for 25% fort. I'd hate to think how many players did the math (or Gygax help them, equipped it), then ignored fortification until high level.

[MeliCat]

that if i didn't click the portal RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE everyone would die :(



that's so mean :(

[Xeraphim]

I'm kind of interested in what people have heard. So whats the worst advice someone has ever given you about the game?

"Multiclassing makes your characters more versatile and powerful"

"Build a couple Flavor of the Month builds, they are great!"


I'm leaving out the ignorant masses of children gamers on this one.

[Schwarzie]

We where down to one cleric who had no issue rezzing me if I did die as I always gave clerics 20 scrolls of such as well as any mana pots I had stocked up on over my adventures.

Back then it was simply good custom to help a cleric cover the cost now days I only hear heal me heal me when I roll a cleric and they expect it even if the mana runs out. But never do they offer to help cover the costs.

THIS!

When i started here on argonessen i was shocked by the total lack of understanding that a Cleric is FAR more expensive to run (in Pugs) then any other class. It is simply expected to burn through Wands, Scrolls and Pots.
Then when you politely ask for recompensation some of the retards even start arguing that they have to pay 500gold for Repairs. And dont think about the two burned wands which each cost the new Cleric 15000 gold.

There is no wonder that new player quickly stop playing clerics. I made the mistake to take Cleric as my first character. I was broke all the time.

Nowadays i run my cleric and my Fvs nearly exclusively with channel groups. Not only do you sometimes get a Pots if a run moves South, no also the runs very very rarely run south so no extra Ressources are needed at all.

With this mindset on the Servers (or at least Argonessen) i dont wonder that i sometimes see 4-5 High level lfms looking for Cleric/Fvs. This mindset doesnt produce new Clerics, and alienates New Players. I dont really care if i use some Scrolls. For a New Player could this mean that he uses 50% of all his wealth in that moment.

[QuantumFX]

I hope this includes the bad advice you read in general chat that isn’t aimed at you.

The *ONLY* way to roll up a rogue is a DEX based halfling.

[sirdanile]

the best of the worst advice I have ever heard.

"Taking 20 lvls of Ranger is the worst AA build you can have thus you are gimp" this wad said to a guildy off mine.

Roffle.

(Rofl except I actually said it out loud to myself)

It's one of the best 3 Arcane Archer builds! X_X
Though even with a capped one I admit we're pretty lackluster except for manyshot.



Point is really mod fort and sub par HP is not the end of the world if you know what your doing. It in fact is the best way to find real challenge in this game. You dont need silly OPed monsters on epic setting you just need to choose to make a build that is more about fun then the need to walk through everything with as little risk as possible.

lolwut?


Ah... The worst advices. They are the best. ;-)

Newbie in advice channel: "How should I multiclass my cleric?"
Evil me in advice channel: "Cleric-wizard builds are awesome. Try that."
No one else says anything. After 5 mins newbie contacts me.
Newbie telling me: "No really. What should I multiclass my cleric with?"
Evil me responding: "Yeah really. If you multiclass cleric and wizard you get double spell points."
Newbie: "Oh, really? Thx mate. I try that."

Never asked if he really tried it. However, I got a nice warm feeling.

I also tried to convince some newbie that you get completionist bonus if you multiclass every class at least once but some brick told him that I am a liar. Boooring.

Not cool.


that if i didn't click the portal RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE everyone would die :(



that's so mean :(

Ok that one is funny...aaah good times...especially when they believe you.




My little nugget of wisdom?
(While leveling my first character, a sorc to level 8 after finishing a tear of dhakaan on normal.)
Party leader says...
"Casters should never carry firewall because that draws aggro from the fighters which will kill you."

Fastforward a whole 20 minutes later my response.

"I just picked it up...and soloed tear of dhakaan elite without using any healing..."

[Noctus]

Ah... The worst advices. They are the best. ;-)

Newbie in advice channel: "How should I multiclass my cleric?"
Evil me in advice channel: "Cleric-wizard builds are awesome. Try that."
No one else says anything. After 5 mins newbie contacts me.
Newbie telling me: "No really. What should I multiclass my cleric with?"
Evil me responding: "Yeah really. If you multiclass cleric and wizard you get double spell points."
Newbie: "Oh, really? Thx mate. I try that."

Never asked if he really tried it. However, I got a nice warm feeling.

I also tried to convince some newbie that you get completionist bonus if you multiclass every class at least once but some brick told him that I am a liar. Boooring.





So, you are on of these *expletive* newbie grievers who purposely ruin their characters, and now come here to brag about it?!? :eek:


Are you socially inadequate? Did your teachers tell you what a super-special flower you are, regardless of how you behave?


Shoo, begone! DDO will be a better place without your "help".

[xxScoobyDooxx]

when I first started ...

we don't need a rogue for xorian cipher




I

[Yellfor]

Some great advice I gave the other night in PoP after we killed the endboss WF, "Did anyone grab the docent?"

*ding*
player x has died
player x: I hate you Yuda

yuda :D

Perfect... Did a run of PoP a while ago with 1 vet and 4 newbys.. At the end the WF wizard (leader and vet) said "Any one want this Docent?" 3 of the newbys said yes and ran for it...DING, DING, DING in just as mean nanoseconds (basically it sounded like one DRAWN OUT DDIINNGGG!) I then said "They must not have tried to pick it up right. You need to diplo it first and try from behind."..... Followed by DING! And a LOT of cursing...
Then just so the newbys wouldn't feel bad the 2 of us touched it too.
Then LAUGHED and said "Some times U just have to have a learning experience." Mind U I was the one talking at the end because the WF Wiz was LAUGHING so hard he couldn't even type, let alone talk.

[Wizzly_Bear]

That we should wait for a healer.

[aradelothion]

Perfect... Did a run of PoP a while ago with 1 vet and 4 newbys.. At the end the WF wizard (leader and vet) said "Any one want this Docent?" 3 of the newbys said yes and ran for it...DING, DING, DING in just as mean nanoseconds (basically it sounded like one DRAWN OUT DDIINNGGG!) I then said "They must not have tried to pick it up right. You need to diplo it first and try from behind."..... Followed by DING! And a LOT of cursing...
Then just so the newbys wouldn't feel bad the 2 of us touched it too.
Then LAUGHED and said "Some times U just have to have a learning experience." Mind U I was the one talking at the end because the WF Wiz was LAUGHING so hard he couldn't even type, let alone talk.

My first run at PoP me and another forgie actually rolled for it..

[xxScoobyDooxx]

My first run at PoP me and another forgie actually rolled for it..

heh i like that ... ok let's roll for the docent .... /roll d100

[Bacab]

going into the blue dragon in Tor, when it first came out, on my human rog
guildie says "use this [vicious dragon bane simi]."
me "uhm, its vicious"
guildie replies "just jump out and heal between hits"

(nope didn't use it, just shook my head and returned it after the battle)

I am shocked by your join date and this comment...

[Bacab]

it was plain dragon bane, i think i had perhaps about 150 hp back then, and staying in for backstab and dmg was better than swinging vicious, stopping, wand/pot healing, and continuing.
its been so long i cannot remember our healer... plus that was back when we were too dumb to get off the coins DOH! well everyone was still learning it back then lol
i cannot remember what weapons i used back then, but my rog has always gotten the most love, which means the best gear i can get her.



as for getting dragon bit that requires aggro, but the pally did that day... my guildie... another one gone from ddo :(
i do know that was back in the "hero method" days... heal the main tank and screw da party... so happy its not like that nowadays with all the mass spells

but now it makes more sense.

Back when the "best" raid strategy was send in a Barb or fighter and have 3-4 clerics heal them lol...

I am glad its not this way anymore

[Aurora1979]

On my ranger/rogue/monk. at 6/1/1.

Joining a xorien run to be told.

"tut, now we have to get a rogue for the last spot. you wont be able to do the traps in here on hard"

even though i had run it on hard 2 hours earlier, had since leveled and brought some higher + gear..... some people just cant be explained to.

[hecate355]

I personal still dont understand this idea of the shroud being so very tough. Games only gotten easier since the old days and I still recall my first run on the shroud so long ago.

I was running a 7/7 ranger rogue dex focussed character. For the end boss I was wearinga walk around ac of 42, TWF with a rapier and dagger. The rapier was shock of greater lawful outsider bane, and the dagger was holy silver of greater lawful outsider bane. I was able to buff my own ac up to about 52 for short periods, and I had no trouble hitting the guy nor staying alive with less then 300 hp and only mod fort. We where down to one cleric who had no issue rezzing me if I did die as I always gave clerics 20 scrolls of such as well as any mana pots I had stocked up on over my adventures.

Back then it was simply good custom to help a cleric cover the cost now days I only hear heal me heal me when I roll a cleric and they expect it even if the mana runs out. But never do they offer to help cover the costs.

We beat the end guy with only 8 men after a few gave up. It was actually easier after because it let our main tank seem to finally catch the guys aggro and our one cleric to focus on him. We gang banged the big guy and got our loot.

Was not even that special as many where already doing short manned elite runs of shroud back with a cap far below 20.

Point is really mod fort and sub par HP is not the end of the world if you know what your doing. It in fact is the best way to find real challenge in this game. You dont need silly OPed monsters on epic setting you just need to choose to make a build that is more about fun then the need to walk through everything with as little risk as possible.

maybe its just me, but i dont recall when i last time felt like needing refund as cleric, may be different at mid game, doubt its the case even there(radiant servant add on etc)

i rarely reach after heal scrolls, even more rarely have need to restock those

as for those odd moments when i end up drinking 3-5 major pots and use lets say 50 heal scrolls, i just suck it up, situations like that can occur, but not very often.

those resources are then just alternative to giving up and running it again later with different group, they are my investment to make time spent not go waste, however i feel no obligation to make sure i always pack mana potions

not rejecting potions people offer, but there is clear line between accepting and expecting. one of worst things iv heard lately as cleric was some1 commenting that clerics should always have some potions.

[hecate355]

THIS!

When i started here on argonessen i was shocked by the total lack of understanding that a Cleric is FAR more expensive to run (in Pugs) then any other class. It is simply expected to burn through Wands, Scrolls and Pots.
Then when you politely ask for recompensation some of the retards even start arguing that they have to pay 500gold for Repairs. And dont think about the two burned wands which each cost the new Cleric 15000 gold.

There is no wonder that new player quickly stop playing clerics. I made the mistake to take Cleric as my first character. I was broke all the time.

Nowadays i run my cleric and my Fvs nearly exclusively with channel groups. Not only do you sometimes get a Pots if a run moves South, no also the runs very very rarely run south so no extra Ressources are needed at all.

With this mindset on the Servers (or at least Argonessen) i dont wonder that i sometimes see 4-5 High level lfms looking for Cleric/Fvs. This mindset doesnt produce new Clerics, and alienates New Players. I dont really care if i use some Scrolls. For a New Player could this mean that he uses 50% of all his wealth in that moment.


sorry i just dont get it, the moments i felt cleric char being cash drain are years behind, all you have to do is choose quests group can handle and manage your resource consumption. like they say you dont have to keep everything alive and well plus you surely cant fix every single pug. when group obviously cant handle the quest, think twice befor you make it possible for them with numerous potions you chug. are they worth it?

char can be exactly as expensive as you choose it to be, personally have spent way more cash on twinking chars, updating equipment after levelling etc

[Bigrtt]

Pugging harbour quests on my monk

Dude to me: You got cleave?
Me to dude: On a monk? Massive waste of a feat...
Dude to me: No its not, cleave is awesome for a monk, you should feat exchange to get it
Me to dude: Nope.
Dude to me: I got it on my monk and he kills more than barbarians do with it
Me to dude: What level is he and does it have power attack?
Dude to me: Level 6 and no he doesnt have power attack
Me to dude: That will be why then, while those barbs will be missing attack rolls you're hitting
Me to dude: Fact is, cleave on a monk is useless.
Dude to me: Lol ok, your char is screwed up then

Must have been about 20 minutes later after this convo he sends me a tell

Dude to me: I just talked to some guildies and they said cleave on a monk isnt a good idea, but they didn't say it was pointless like you do.

Sent no answer back. Was a good laugh.

[Lobster5]

Ah... The worst advices. They are the best. ;-)

Newbie in advice channel: "How should I multiclass my cleric?"
Evil me in advice channel: "Cleric-wizard builds are awesome. Try that."
No one else says anything. After 5 mins newbie contacts me.
Newbie telling me: "No really. What should I multiclass my cleric with?"
Evil me responding: "Yeah really. If you multiclass cleric and wizard you get double spell points."
Newbie: "Oh, really? Thx mate. I try that."

Never asked if he really tried it. However, I got a nice warm feeling.

I also tried to convince some newbie that you get completionist bonus if you multiclass every class at least once but some brick told him that I am a liar. Boooring.

I imagine the worst advice you ever got was "hey you should post about your asinine behaviour on the forums, people will think you're really cool!"

[Bacab]

Pugging harbour quests on my monk

Dude to me: You got cleave?
Me to dude: On a monk? Massive waste of a feat...
Dude to me: No its not, cleave is awesome for a monk, you should feat exchange to get it
Me to dude: Nope.
Dude to me: I got it on my monk and he kills more than barbarians do with it
Me to dude: What level is he and does it have power attack?
Dude to me: Level 6 and no he doesnt have power attack
Me to dude: That will be why then, while those barbs will be missing attack rolls you're hitting
Me to dude: Fact is, cleave on a monk is useless.
Dude to me: Lol ok, your char is screwed up then

Must have been about 20 minutes later after this convo he sends me a tell

Dude to me: I just talked to some guildies and they said cleave on a monk isnt a good idea, but they didn't say it was pointless like you do.

Sent no answer back. Was a good laugh.

Pretty sure you can not have Cleave without Power Attack. Also you can let him know Power Attack can be turned off...

Though maybe monks can...I have never tried to take Cleave on a monk...for good reason lol.

[PopeJual]

In game: What do you need HP for? Just make sure you don't get hit by staying out of the combat. (told to me while I was playing my first Wizard)

Out of game: You need to get in there and show her who the boss is in your relationship.

Thankfully, I did not listen to either set of advice.

[PopeJual]

Dude: How many points did you put into heal?
Me: 0
Dude: You're gimped, you should reroll. Heal (skill) is the most important part of Cleric.



Hm, don't think I'll be using medkits to heal incapacitated people any time soon.

I've heard that advice before too! I couldn't believe it. The best part was when the guy's followup was "Trust me, you'll need it when you get to be higher level. I have a level 10 Cleric, so I know."

[elujin]

this was said to a cleric friend of mine "clerics never should use there sp to heal them selfs" and with a grand move he gave her a stack of cure light pots thinking he gave away somthing special :)

[manumase]

build an arcane archer for your first toon! (pre update 3).... yeh... i did get him to 20, but i dont use him much anymore... need to "ungimp" him and havent gotten round to it

[pumagirl418]

"stand in the doorway and block"

running short in water works. putting someone in the door prevent the ogre from getting lose and letting someone range him.

My friend decides to put me in the doorway so he can range the ogre... happened more than once coming up... once on his bbn and once on of his another melee, oh and don't forget his clr... funny tho, i was on a ranger one of those times and caster the other, and my tank another...

rotflmao

[SINIBYTE]

Last night I joined an LFM that said "need tank", the first thing said to me was "Yo man, what's your AC?", I politely replied, "I'm not that kind of tank, I'm not even sure, I don't keep track of my AC". He said, and I quote:

"Dude, you need AC to tank".

I mumbled something about AC not being particularly useful to my build, but Captain LoudMic decided to cut me off mid sentence stating something like "We need a 'tank' tank Dude", I think the cleric typed something like "HP > AC as a buffer", which was nice, but I didn't want to spend the next half an hour being yelled at by someone who didn't understand the game. So I simply said "Ok, guys good luck" and dropped group. I never saw their LFM pop back up...

[stoopid_cowboy]

While running VoD Hard a couple weeks ago on my Dwarf 18brb/2ftr...

lvl19TR Monk: We need a WF tank for sully!
me: I can tank Sully
TR Monk: No, we need a WF to tank Sully
me: dood, I have tanked Sully dozens of times, it's cool
TR Monk: No, you have to use a WF to tank Sully!
TR Monk: This quest was designed to use a WF. That's the only way to beat it!!!
me: uhhh....
TR Monk: Let the lvl17 WF Ftr tank him.

I didnt argue with the guy, I just pulled aggro off the fighter and tanked Sully. Low and behold, the fighter died while I had aggro...

Only ones to die, WF Ftr and TR Monk.

I guess Dwarves should listen to TR monks more often :D

yuda