PvP Drama!

[Quarterling]

I discovered a new fun thing to do in PvP with my caster, Greater Dispel Magic everyone around me in the brawling arena! Though I'm probably not the first caster to think of this, I did get some pretty hilarious results from the third person I casted it on. Backstabbing, holding, dancing, debuffing, and tripping is unfair in PvP? Why I thought there were no rules in PvP, but I guess I was wrong. :D

Now I'm off to go spam Dispel Magic some more, enjoy the screenshot.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh229/MageLeif/PvPDrama.jpg

[hityawithastick]

I LOVE doing that in PvP. Not necessarily just by itself (although it can be amusing to watch some fully-buffed sorc run in and promptly die when you peel off their spells), but as part of an offensive. I do contend that hypno/stun/hold/dance is unfair in brawl; however, I'm not so much opposed to trip, dispel or blind affects. After all, holds you can't do anything about. Blinds, dispels, and trips are all either opposed or capable of being reversed by your actions. :D

*edit: logically, I can't argue against backstabs/double-teaming (within reason) for the same reason*

Greater Dispel ftw!

[Quarterling]

I also started using Feeblemind, probably the next best thing since Greater Dispell Magic, though I don't know how often you are allowed to make a new save to get rid of it (like 6 seconds maybe)?

[Visty]

I also started using Feeblemind, probably the next best thing since Greater Dispell Magic, though I don't know how often you are allowed to make a new save to get rid of it (like 6 seconds maybe)?

feeblemind is permanent (well, was permanent, now its a few minutes but no saves)

[Chai]

This reminds me of all the PnP discussions inexperienced players have when talking about how their character is better than yours, when the analysis they are making is under the circumstances that you will always be standing in the next square over from them using full attack with full power attack like they will be. The minute someone deviates from their expectation of how they will play the character, its cheating.

What do you mean youre floating above me in a random square invisible raining down touch spells on us with spectral hand? Thats cheating OMG!!!

[toughguyjoe]

This reminds me of all the PnP discussions inexperienced players have when talking about how their character is better than yours, when the analysis they are making is under the circumstances that you will always be standing in the next square over from them using full attack with full power attack like they will be. The minute someone deviates from their expectation of how they will play the character, its cheating.

What do you mean youre floating above me in a random square invisible raining down touch spells on us with spectral hand? Thats cheating OMG!!!

Little known fact. Spectral hand has very few Hps and is visible and attackable ;)

[Mordechai]

I LOVE doing that in PvP. Not necessarily just by itself (although it can be amusing to watch some fully-buffed sorc run in and promptly die when you peel off their spells), but as part of an offensive. I do contend that hypno/stun/hold/dance is unfair in brawl; however, I'm not so much opposed to trip, dispel or blind affects. After all, holds you can't do anything about. Blinds, dispels, and trips are all either opposed or capable of being reversed by your actions. :D

*edit: logically, I can't argue against backstabs/double-teaming (within reason) for the same reason*

Greater Dispel ftw!

Hypno and hold spells both have saves as well so to me they are fair game as well. While I don't really pvp very often just because of the drama and hurt feelings the one thing I decided a long time ago is that if you go in the pit be prepared for every ability any class can use to beat you.

[Impaqt]

feeblemind is permanent (well, was permanent, now its a few minutes but no saves)

Pretty sure it has a reoccurring save now... Its rather short as well. I wanna say every 6 seconds. I've stopped collecting small mnemonic pots to carry around to fix it onmy solo toons.

[Chai]

Little known fact. Spectral hand has very few Hps and is visible and attackable ;)

The hand is incorporeal and thus cannot be harmed by normal weapons. It has improved evasion (half damage on a failed Reflex save and no damage on a successful save), your save bonuses, and an AC of at least 22. Your Intelligence modifier applies to the hand’s AC as if it were the hand’s Dexterity modifier. The hand has 1 to 4 hit points, the same number that you lost in creating it.

Yeap, and level 5 melee who lack the experience and thus challenge you to mock PVP all have access to ghost touch weapons, as well as being capable of hitting 27 or 28 AC on a single attack they would get on a readied action, and only then if they won the initiative and anticipated what was going to happen next enough to include attacking it in their readied action statement.

But but but....thats CHEATING!!!

[Yajerman01]

Why I thought there were no rules in PvP, but I guess I was wrong. :D


You are correct sir, there are no rules, however, for the most part, in particular, alot of pvper's play with an unspoken rule of thumb which is, don't play with cheap spells or kill shots, (i.e. TOD or slayer) unless its absolutely necessary.

Many people come and test their abilities to multitask their arcane or cleric abilities, fighters tactics and dps. PVP helps IMO your ability to fast act and maneouver which can benefit you in PVE.

As such and in my humble opinion, there are only a handful of spells that fall into the "frowned" upon/cheap criteria:

Dance
Dispell
PWS

Do not get me wrong, I think you should be able to use them, but more with discretion then with reckelss abandonment. But do as you wish, because in the end, I would not be surprised to see 5 or 6 pvper's keying in on you because you constantly drop down to do that.

In the end though, and in my experience, the better you are in PVE and PVP play the less you need to use easy buttons like those anyway.

happy hunting and happy pvping!

[Havenred]

You are correct sir, there are no rules, however, for the most part, in particular, alot of pvper's play with an unspoken rule of thumb which is, don't play with cheap spells or kill shots, (i.e. TOD or slayer) unless its absolutely necessary.

Many people come and test their abilities to multitask their arcane or cleric abilities, fighters tactics and dps. PVP helps IMO your ability to fast act and maneouver which can benefit you in PVE.

As such and in my humble opinion, there are only a handful of spells that fall into the "frowned" upon/cheap criteria:

Dance
Dispell
PWS

Do not get me wrong, I think you should be able to use them, but more with discretion then with reckelss abandonment. But do as you wish, because in the end, I would not be surprised to see 5 or 6 pvper's keying in on you because you constantly drop down to do that.

In the end though, and in my experience, the better you are in PVE and PVP play the less you need to use easy buttons like those anyway.

happy hunting and happy pvping!

There was a time when a single first level bard could fascinate the entire PvP pit.

[Yajerman01]

There was a time when a single first level bard could fascinate the entire PvP pit.


hehehe they still get me even though i a 20 and there an 11. I dont mind fascinate though, because im off and running as soon as i get hit. :)

[Quarterling]

I wouldn't know too much about any of the dancing spells, as the dancing sphere is stationary and you can go around it (unless the caster casts it on top of you or stands in the middle). As for Otto's Irresistible Dance, that's touch only. A melee could go up and immediately trip the caster, especially if it's a barbarian with a reach weapon. However, I have not tested this and don't know whether or not a barbarian could actually do this before a caster "touches" him with dance.

And uh oh, looks like the person I was griefing with dispel magic found me and gave me a -1. :D

My advice, if you can't handle the brawling pit, stay out of it. ;)

[AltheaSteelrain]

You are correct sir, there are no rules, however, for the most part, in particular, alot of pvper's play with an unspoken rule of thumb which is, don't play with cheap spells or kill shots, (i.e. TOD or slayer) unless its absolutely necessary.

Many people come and test their abilities to multitask their arcane or cleric abilities, fighters tactics and dps. PVP helps IMO your ability to fast act and maneouver which can benefit you in PVE.

As such and in my humble opinion, there are only a handful of spells that fall into the "frowned" upon/cheap criteria:

Dance
Dispell
PWS

Do not get me wrong, I think you should be able to use them, but more with discretion then with reckelss abandonment. But do as you wish, because in the end, I would not be surprised to see 5 or 6 pvper's keying in on you because you constantly drop down to do that.

In the end though, and in my experience, the better you are in PVE and PVP play the less you need to use easy buttons like those anyway.

happy hunting and happy pvping!

Well all is fair in love and war.

In pvp, you can actually avoid many cheapshots

for dispel, you have the mantle of the worldshaper,

for fascinate, you have the new pharlian shield that has enchantment immunity.

Though my pvp experience is somewhat limited to the POV of a bard, I find such tools like fascinate, greater dispell and trip/stunning blow all contribute to the overall success of killing stuff for fun and profit. Though some may consider this cheapshot/griefing, in the end I can just say..

"If I don't use my skills then what's the point of playing?"

[heyytoi]

PvP is awesome.