is TWF a viable build with 28 pts?

[neclon]

As stated. I figured THF is the way to go with a 28 pt build. Don't have WF so I'll probably go human. I haven't found many up-to-date builds yet but i'm sure with some digging I can find something suitable.

[FlyingTurtle]

16/16/15/8/8/8 should be workable. Need +1 Dex tome before level 9, easily doable even on a first character.

[neclon]

Cool. I was thinking of this build but with the stats for 28 pt build and only +1 tome -- maybe dwarf instead of human (i could go 17/16/15/10/8/6 get the same skill pts as human build, +1 str, and trade the free human feat spent on khopesh for dwarven axe).

But then I probably have to spend enh pts on axe and human gets human adaptability for the +1str.

Then the dwarf only comes ahead on 100% fort mobs? Seems like they're so close they're both viable. Both probably being second to WF (which I don't have).



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Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(2 Fighter \ 18 Barbarian)
Hit Points: 398
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 9
Will: 6

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 18 27
Dexterity 15 17
Constitution 14 18
Intelligence 8 8
Wisdom 10 10
Charisma 8 8

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 4 14
Bluff -1 -1
Concentration 2 4
Diplomacy -1 -1
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -1 -1
Heal 0 0
Hide 2 3
Intimidate -1 -1
Jump 8 31
Listen 0 0
Move Silently 2 3
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 -1
Search -1 -1
Spot 2 11
Swim 4 9
Tumble 4 13
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 5 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 7 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 11 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 14 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 17 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 19 (Barbarian)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+0.5)
Skill: Tumble (+0.5)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Swim (+1)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III
Enhancement: Barbarian Willpower I
Enhancement: Barbarian Willpower II
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Stunning Blow) I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness II

[FlyingTurtle]

Cool. I was thinking of this build but with the stats for 28 pt build and only +1 tome -- maybe dwarf instead of human (i could go 17/16/15/10/8/6 get the same skill pts as human build, +1 str, and trade the free human feat spent on khopesh for dwarven axe).


Don't forget that Human Adaptability buys you +1 Str via enhancements so in the end it totally cancels out into a very minor advantage in Con, hardly noticeable on a Barb.

As you said it's really close so it's down to a style issue.

[neclon]

I guess I miscalculated that the 16 - > 17 costs 3 pts.

I could do 16,16,15,8,8,8 with human. Counting human adaptability +1 to str then he's: 17,16,15,8,8,8

The dwarf could either go 16,16,16,10,8,6 (to keep the same skill pts as human), or 16,16,17,8,8,6 - giving the dwarf an edge on con in both cases, and the human an edge on str. Everything else would be somewhat equal (except the dwarf will probably spend enhancement points on dwarven axe, giving the human a bit more to spread around).

I am guessing 1 str point isn't going to make or break a build dpswise. I'll just flip a coin and pick one when the time comes =).