What's with all the hate?

[KoboldKiller]

Seriously what's with all the "n00bs" this and "newbs" that?

Half the time I think most people are confusing the two.

Yes there has been a huge influx of new players thus leading to some slower runs and a lower level of skill in many PuGs. But is this a reason to act like an a$$hat on the forums or in game?

There are more and more new people calling vets elitists and I don't think I can disagree with them anymore.

If your guild and your play skill is so perfect then fine, keep within your circle but why bash others who are not as good?

There's a difference between those who don't listen and those who aren't even told.

I'm not perfect, I have been frustrated by some of the new players as well but I don't blast them, I don't post multiple threads about how stupid they are and the lack of skill.

So instead of constantly complaining why not try and help them?

[SINIBYTE]

Seriously what's with all the "n00bs" this and "newbs" that?

Half the time I think most people are confusing the two.

Yes there has been a huge influx of new players thus leading to some slower runs and a lower level of skill in many PuGs. But is this a reason to act like an a$$hat on the forums or in game?

There are more and more new people calling vets elitists and I don't think I can disagree with them anymore.

If your guild and your play skill is so perfect then fine, keep within your circle but why bash others who are not as good?

There's a difference between those who don't listen and those who aren't even told.

I'm not perfect, I have been frustrated by some of the new players as well but I don't blast them, I don't post multiple threads about how stupid they are and the lack of skill.

So instead of constantly complaining why not try and help them?

The solution is easy for all those who complain about PUGS...

Create your own LFM, explicitly state "Obnoxious Elitists Welcome, ZERG, BYOH, Know Quest, Self-Sufficient Only"

Case closed.

I do it all the time, works extremely well, and I usually wind up with more healers than I need. :)

(Also, I am not a vet, nor an elitist, nor obnoxious (most of the time))

[bradleyforrest]

The real issue is that when you repeatedly tell someone to do/not do something and they utterly fail to listen.

[Bloodstealer]

Seriously what's with all the "n00bs" this and "newbs" that?

Half the time I think most people are confusing the two.

Yes there has been a huge influx of new players thus leading to some slower runs and a lower level of skill in many PuGs. But is this a reason to act like an a$$hat on the forums or in game?

There are more and more new people calling vets elitists and I don't think I can disagree with them anymore.

If your guild and your play skill is so perfect then fine, keep within your circle but why bash others who are not as good?

There's a difference between those who don't listen and those who aren't even told.

I'm not perfect, I have been frustrated by some of the new players as well but I don't blast them, I don't post multiple threads about how stupid they are and the lack of skill.

So instead of constantly complaining why not try and help them?

Pure and simple - there is no need.
Yeah sure it may annoy players when you get the stupid one, fresh out of nursery who wants to do nothing but squeal "HEAL ME" or your rubbish, my sword is bigger and brighter, blah blah blah... but seriously, all u have to do is use the tools provived, then carry on doing whatever you were doing.
If the attitude really is distasteful or overly aggressive, simply squelch recall and remove the idiot.

If the issue is so virulent as some like to make out then squelch everything under your level so you can bring the percentages down.. but beleive me there are as many noobs, newbs and high level verts above and below your level that basically suggest the issue will also be around you. So you kinda get to a point where you either put up or shut up I guess.. personally I choose to put up and move on.

Have to be honest tho, some of those PUGS can be real entertaining like the PUG LFM the other day i saw.... "lvl 18 cleric, need some big guns to help me do vale slayer / rares / explorer - BYOH" . .. i so wanted to get into that one and see just what that cleric was gunna do once the grp headed out. I even went and kitted my scorchy out with 50 heal scrolls and a couple of wands just for the fun but mised it :(

Back on topic...Coming online here to tell everyone that so and so is a so and so, kinda makes you no more mature than the person in your grp ..except they had the front to do it to you, with you.. not hide behind a forum to seek moral support.

[KoboldKiller]

I think the biggest problem is most veterans have forgotten what it was like when they first started.

When I started other than having a PnP background and being an avid video game player I have no clue.

I created a Ranged Ranger at first. Then I played around with rogues and fighters and etc.....

All I did was PuG and along the way people took time to show me things. I asked questions and they were answered politely.

I finally had the good fortune to meet a couple of nice people while Pugging Gwaylans.

They in turn invited me to join what was then A Universal Mind on Argo.

That in turn became Chaos Knights. As such I was able to learn quite a bit about the game.

However I get the impression nobody really wants to take that kind of time anymore.

Now it's "know it or go away".

Anyway I find this sad.

[KoboldKiller]

Pure and simple - there is not need. Yeah sure it may annoy players when you get the stupid one, fresh out of nursery who wants to do nothing but squeal "HEAL ME" or your rubbish, my sword is bigger and brighter, blah blah blah... but seriously, all u have to do is use the tools provived, then carry on doing whatever you were doing.
If the attitude really is distasteful or overly aggressive, simply squelch recall and remove the idiot.

Coming online here to tell everyone that so and so is a so and so, kinda makes you no more mature than the person in your grp ..except they had the front to do it to you, with you.. not hide behind a forum and seek moral support.


I'm not sure I quite follow your point. I assume your saying there is no need to take the time to teach someone something?

So when someone is new to the quest it's "keep up and learn at mindnumbing speed or get out"?

As far as "hiding" behind a forum you obviously don't know me to well. I do not hide and many of my alts are known. As for seeking moral support I am simply posting a thread that is no different than those I have mentioned but to you i suppose those are acceptable.

[SINIBYTE]

Now it's "know it or go away".

Or "Learn it, like I did". ;)

[Plaidpooka]

I agree. I've seen a lot of rudeness to new players, both on the forum, and in the game. We were all new at some point, so why be rude? If a newbie asks a simple question in game chat, it takes as little time to answer it as it does to make fun of it. Perhaps some people would rather appear clever than kind. I've also seen folks trying to take advantage of new players in chat-- selling very basic equipment at really high prices. Luckily there's usually a vet in chat willing to take the time to warn the unwary.
If one is building a party, I can understand being frustrated by asking for experienced players and getting those who aren't. Take note of players you like running with, take note of guilds you like running with. Try to plan ahead. If you are filling a party fast, and at the last minute, you get what you pay for. Myself, if I don't know a dungeon well, I send a tell to the group leader telling them that. I usually get in anyway, perhaps it's because I'm upfront about it.
We've all ending up pugging with folks that make you wonder how they manage to play the game at all. Some folks just aren't good at it. That doesn't mean we have to be rude about it. Don't like someone? Then don't run with them again. One can even tell them so, and explain why, as long as one is polite about it.

[KoboldKiller]

Or "Learn it, like I did". ;)


Which I have no issue with but does it really hurt to take the time to help someone new in the party learn it?

[smatt]

I'm trying to connect this thread with your recent "Shroud, I'm so awesome, why does everybody else suck thread" ......
There must be some connection... :rolleyes:

[FlyingTurtle]

AFAIK most of the hate is directed at noobish (not newbie-ish) behavior at high levels. Anybody who's doing the noob at high levels is doing it voluntarily and thus deserving of hate.

[AbsynthMinded]

I have no problem leading a 'Tour' of low and mid level content for new, untrained players if it's a quest I'm already working on. Delera's for every new build, Thernal after that, Gianthold has all my favorite rides.. But those who fail to listen and follow the Tour Director, are 'noobs' to me. Level nor Class really matter, if the party looks balanced by the numbers, all the unskilled have to do is listen, or suffer by rough costly advancement or failure..

Sadly the inverse is true once in high end content because of Dungeon Scaling. Many get exceptionally harder with a 'Full' party, balanced or not.. Anyone who is 'noobish' in these places will only suffer failure.

[KoboldKiller]

AFAIK most of the hate is directed at noobish (not newbie-ish) behavior at high levels. Anybody who's doing the noob at high levels is doing it voluntarily and thus deserving of hate.

Is it possible that behavior is a lack of knowledge due to people not bothering to take the time to help people learn the game?

I can tell you right now I would probably do 1 or 2 noobish things in ToD as I have never ran it and if nobody can be bothered to explain something about it how can I not screw up other than to do nothing and Pike it?

[KoboldKiller]

I'm trying to connect this thread with your recent "Shroud, I'm so awesome, why does everybody else suck thread" ......
There must be some connection... :rolleyes:


Umm, are you referring to me?

If so that thread has nothing to do with my ability whatsoever but yes I guess there would be some similarity in regards to eliteist behavior.

[Elof_X]

Seriously what's with all the "n00bs" this and "newbs" that?

Half the time I think most people are confusing the two.

Yes there has been a huge influx of new players thus leading to some slower runs and a lower level of skill in many PuGs. But is this a reason to act like an a$$hat on the forums or in game?

There are more and more new people calling vets elitists and I don't think I can disagree with them anymore.

If your guild and your play skill is so perfect then fine, keep within your circle but why bash others who are not as good?

There's a difference between those who don't listen and those who aren't even told.

I'm not perfect, I have been frustrated by some of the new players as well but I don't blast them, I don't post multiple threads about how stupid they are and the lack of skill.

So instead of constantly complaining why not try and help them?
+1. The levels of intolerance are often astounding. A little patience and kindness never hurt anyone.

[FlyingTurtle]

Is it possible that behavior is a lack of knowledge due to people not bothering to take the time to help people learn the game?

I can tell you right now I would probably do 1 or 2 noobish things in ToD as I have never ran it and if nobody can be bothered to explain something about it how can I not screw up other than to do nothing and Pike it?

The moment you utter the magic incantation "I've never done this quest before" it gives you immunity to being labelled a Noob, at will, unlimited times/day.

[AbsynthMinded]

The moment you utter the magic incantation "I've never done this quest before" it gives you immunity to being labelled a Noob, at will, unlimited times/day.


As long as they listen to the Tour Director..

[GreenGurgler]

Again, its worth posting..........................;)

http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc138/GreenGurgler/20060823.jpg

[KoboldKiller]

Simply put I would like the new players to understand not all veterans are eliteist zergers who don't care if you learn or not.

You are welcome in my party any time. Mistakes are how we learn, if we party wipe we party wipe.

Good day to you all.

[Dandonk]

I have no issue with people being new, or not knowing the quest. Even those "less than optimal" builds are fine - heck, my own builds are usually that. What I might view as simple questions in advice or general chat are great, too - I sometimes spend an hour or two answering questions, or taking it to tells if someone needs an in-depth discussion of some game mechanic.

What I do take exception to is being called a multitude of bad names when trying to correct misunderstandings in /advice channel. Yes, I know it says that Potency affects "damage", but trust me, it affects healing spells as well.
And so on.

One thing I must admit to, though: After having run Tanglerush (sic) and Deleras several hundred times I'm no longer stopping to smell the roses, or view the fine artwork on the walls. I might even admit to rushing them a bit.
Now, if there's new people in the party, they might feel a little left out or behind. Please tell me, though. While I rush as per my personal preference, I can adjust to the group. If someone tells me that my rushing isn't what they want to do - I can live with that, for once. But I can't read your mind, so ask me politely before yelling at me. I listen better to polite people, for some odd reason.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

The official word from Merlask/Tolero on the reason and cures for hate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asauNxVaRSw

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I have no issue with people being new, or not knowing the quest. Even those "less than optimal" builds are fine - heck, my own builds are usually that. What I might view as simple questions in advice or general chat are great, too - I sometimes spend an hour or two answering questions, or taking it to tells if someone needs an in-depth discussion of some game mechanic.

What I do take exception to is being called a multitude of bad names when trying to correct misunderstandings in /advice channel. Yes, I know it says that Potency affects "damage", but trust me, it affects healing spells as well.
And so on..

This.

New is fine.

Less than perfect player/build is fine (hell I suck and will never grind for the "perfect" gearset)

People who know it all when they know nothing and don't want to listen, that's my problem.

[Irinis]

Well... I'm not even a good player yet, and I'm becoming an elitist. Why? Because it seems people go out of their way to die when you're playing a TR character.

Some days I feel like helping others learn and that's ok... and some days I just want to do fast runs and not have to dredge up reserves of patience as the FVS dies over and over unless I use up all of my hireling cleric's mana on him! O.O

There is one thing I know though... the new players who won't admit it and mess up a quest, are the new players who have been griefed by idiots the last time they admitted they were new. Instead of realizing that not all vets are complete losers, they should have blacklisted those idiots and continued to admit they're new and ask for instructions... and friendslist the people who actually GAVE instructions.

Griefers make it bad for everyone. Grief a new player enough and theyll think they have two options - grief vets back, or blacklist half the server.

[Bloodstealer]

I'm not sure I quite follow your point. I assume your saying there is no need to take the time to teach someone something?

So when someone is new to the quest it's "keep up and learn at mindnumbing speed or get out"?

As far as "hiding" behind a forum you obviously don't know me to well. I do not hide and many of my alts are known. As for seeking moral support I am simply posting a thread that is no different than those I have mentioned but to you i suppose those are acceptable.

Lol oops sorry I was actually agreeing with ya not disagreeing - I shud of started the post better - lack of sleep due to DDO sorry and I also forgot to edit to comment on the rest of ur post.. bahhh silly me.

I was merely saying yes I agree with you - there is no need to have to come to the forums and whine about a poor player, a bad player, a noob or a Newb.. its a game, just a game - teaching others and allowing them an opportunity to try quests / raids etc is only good for the game in the long term - if players want to think of the short term here and now but dont like the risk of having their fun dissolved by a bad egg, or some simple mistakes born out of inexperience then its simple - DONT PUG!

So for those who have had a poor PUG experience today, well it sucks yes i know but do really need to keep coming onto the forums to sound off and look for support, does it change anything, do you get ur lost 10% XP back - no, so just take a giant calm pill and move on otherwise it will eat at you more and more until eventually your own in game attitude might become the issue.

Hope that clears up the confusion Koboldkiller :)

[Kalari]

KK I'll be honest Ive seen each side, yes there has been hate, I know where my own hate stemmed from. The whole change from Stormreach to Ebberon Unlimited jarred us. We had to deal with a ton of changes all at once and the influx of new players. Changes to game features and functions that made no sense to us, and like sibling rivalry my anger at the changes came off on the new bloods. But not all of them the ones who would spam general chat with "wow has this." or worst the ones who over abused the "share option." I was already angry at the changes to our game the micro transactions cause lets face it im a old drunk grump. But to have so many things in our faces that we were not used to. I know my hate built from that.

So yeah I was extra aggressive I admit it I even apologize to posters like Thrudh and Mag because I had been extra rude towards them, I even found myself looking at forum join dates something I find so incredibly stupid but I fed into the hate.

But new players and posters are not all innocent. Not everyone coming here are wide eyed and ready to adventure we have had and continue to have some pot stirrers. And unfortunately sometimes a new person will see us venting about that type and think we are lumping them all together. IT cant be helped.

And another thing people may have their own definition of what Noob is, but for this lady it has always meant a hopeless player. One who doesnt care about learning doesnt care about the other players around them they are there for their own entertainment. They are the ones who will mess up scream at others pike or worst put down people while being absolute dead weight themselves. Elitist I can deal with and avoid but they do know their stuff. These are people who really dont but cant seem to wrap their mind around why they werent awesome enough not to be a soul stone, its always the healers fault, or they werent buffed enough. Or someone didnt give them something (rogue with the right search and disable items). This is some of the noob stuff that Ive seen in my 3+ years playing. So yes when I vent about a Noob its not a new player its about someone who made my gaming experience rough or down right bad. And im sorry I feel im in my right to hate a person like that.

Ive owned up to my newbie hate I was even embarrassed by the way I shut down some people because I felt they were taking something I enjoyed and ruining it. But im not apologizing no more because I got off that kick. I do not like changes but I put the blame where it belongs. I cant speak for others but I dont hate new bloods anymore but I will always hate noobs at least my definition of what they are.

[SINIBYTE]

Which I have no issue with but does it really hurt to take the time to help someone new in the party learn it?

I have no problem helping someone that wishes to learn... I spent an extra 30 minutes in a WW run helping a new monk with his build, even though my LFM he joined specifically said "ZERG BYOH Know What You're Doing". I enjoy helping those that are willing and eager to learn, however I have no patience for those that don't.

As for my patience level, it really depends on what I'm doing that particular day... for example, I needed 300 XP to level so I can grab my next feat, I was really looking forward to equipping these Khopeshes I have in my bag... I'm on an XP zerg - I do not care what the flowers (mushrooms) smell like on this particular run, don't hold me back. 15 minutes later - I'm as carefree as the next guy, taking my time and enjoying the party I'm with.

[Grumpy]

As a DM(Reorx) on a NWN dragonlance server(Rise of Honor) All though I have been playing DDO for a while I've never realy spent much time on the forums. As A DM on Rise when we have a new player come in we(the DM staff) will normaly take the time to instruct a new player on the specifics of the server and the rules and will then normally find an experianced player whith a low level or log a low level ourselfs to take the new player through the first few areas and dungeons. It's easy enough to do that on a NWN server that can hold 30 players a totaly difrent thing on servers the size that DDO is played on.

What I have noticed though is how many difrent attitudes there are between new and experianced players. I've seen a new player getting burned hard by an experianced player for their build or for making a mistake. The problem as I see it there are far to few experiance players that will take the time to go through a dungeon slowly for a new player and take the time to explain the way things work. Having said that there are some very good experianced players that do just that. That are willing to give out advice on builds without becoming judgemental over it. Learning to build a character takes time it's not something players especialy those that have no experiance with D&D find hard.

A player shouldn't be rubished for using a long sword instead of duel wielding Dwarven waraxes for an uber DPS. Using a longsword may well be the way that player see's his/her character just because we think we know better it doesn't give any one the right to rubish a build. The good builds will come over time as will learning how to work as part of a party. One thing that the vetrans should think about when partying with a new player is how good was I when I started to play this game

[jwdaniels]

I think this game has a very steep early learning curve for people coming from other MMOs or from PnP D&D because it's so different from both yet it seems like it's so similar on the surface. It's not really an online version of D&D 3.5, even though that's what a name like Dungeons and Dragons Online would imply, and it's certainly nothing like WoW set in a D&D world but I think most new players' expectations are for one of those two things.

A simple statement like "I know it's based on the 3.5 D&D rules set, but it doesn't work the same way all the time" would go a long way when the next statement is something like "The heal skill is basically useless," or, "Paladins can dump stat wisdom," or, "even casters and ranged characters need constitution."

As a longtime PnP veteran it was difficult for me to comprehend that an AC of 50 is terrible, but once I wrapped my head around the fact that certain mechanics of DDO are not the same as D&D a lot of things fell in to place quickly.

[Kalari]

As a DM(Reorx) on a NWN dragonlance server(Rise of Honor) All though I have been playing DDO for a while I've never realy spent much time on the forums. As A DM on Rise when we have a new player come in we(the DM staff) will normaly take the time to instruct a new player on the specifics of the server and the rules and will then normally find an experianced player whith a low level or log a low level ourselfs to take the new player through the first few areas and dungeons. It's easy enough to do that on a NWN server that can hold 30 players a totaly difrent thing on servers the size that DDO is played on.

What I have noticed though is how many difrent attitudes there are between new and experianced players. I've seen a new player getting burned hard by an experianced player for their build or for making a mistake. The problem as I see it there are far to few experiance players that will take the time to go through a dungeon slowly for a new player and take the time to explain the way things work. Having said that there are some very good experianced players that do just that. That are willing to give out advice on builds without becoming judgemental over it. Learning to build a character takes time it's not something players especialy those that have no experiance with D&D find hard.

A player shouldn't be rubished for using a long sword instead of duel wielding Dwarven waraxes for an uber DPS. Using a longsword may well be the way that player see's his/her character just because we think we know better it doesn't give any one the right to rubish a build. The good builds will come over time as will learning how to work as part of a party. One thing that the vetrans should think about when partying with a new player is how good was I when I started to play this game

But its not many vets and see its misconceptions I would be what one considers a "vet" while I hate that term since Im a gamer my whole thing is just like there arent millions of clueless noobs about (though many of us do come here to vent when we run into such) there arent tons of jerky long term players ruining peoples experiences either. Heck new players dont even really have to group with old players and vice versa but its a social game. My whole thing is many people go by my forum posts as how they think I am. Ive had a few who run with me that go "you cant be Kalari from the forums.." You stopped and answered questions I thought you didnt like people...

Its true I tend to not like people most of the time but im not a monster. I do like to enjoy the few hours I get to play the way I wish but if I can help I will help. I dont like being told I have to help. Its a **** video game not a soup kitchen. Sometimes people dont even want this "help" that others in these boards keep touting. Some people *gasp* can learn for themselves and personally get offended when they have someone giving them advice on what to use how to play and what. Trust me If I had listened to how people wanted me to play I wouldnt have 12 capped elven alts. Thats right I play how I wish sometimes you have to let it go in one ear and out the other and it goes back to my latest argument. Too many people are over sensitive. They are butt hurt easily and they run to these boards. Whether its old players venting about noobs or New players (which I dont see many of those threads just many older players who dont zerg who bring up on behalf of new players). All it is, is tons of venting and I dont take it any more serious then I do a soap opera. The game is a different area and I think if people keep that in mind no amount of forum hate will matter.

[jwdaniels]

I think there's also a lot of people giving "advice" in a bad way. There's a world of difference between "A khopesh is superior to a longsword because it's stats are equal to or better in every category. You really should try to find room for exotic weapon proficiency in that build." and "Use a khopesh, noob. Everyone knows that. L2P!"

[Tholar]

There are more and more new people calling vets elitists and I don't think I can disagree with them anymore.



Simply put I would like the new players to understand not all veterans are eliteist zergers who don't care if you learn or not.



I agree with what you are going for Kobold, I just had to point out what looks like conflicting statements.

I for one always help rookie players when I get the chance. I actually join the "first timer welcome" quests, not because I am new, but because I can help others learn. These can frequently fail, but as long as somebody learns that is the point.

I will sometimes complain about new players (and vets), we all do. It is how you act, after you are done venting frustration that truly matters to me.

So I can be found on Argo:

My main 4 characters
HolySchnitz (TR 20 favored soul)
Magneus (20 Cleric)
MagicMullet (20 Warrior)
Frotteur (19 Warrior)

[bandyman1]

Humm....


I think most people have already hit the nail on the head.

This game went from challenging and required some knowledge and skill to something resembling Candyland.

The response;


I realize that the game has changed a lot, and I realize that many of the long time players prefer the game the way it used to be -- and since I wasn't around, I can't speak to that one way or another -- but statements like the ones I've quoted are hard not to take personally. I'm new to the game and still find it challenging with *tons* to learn, and not easy at all! So does that make me incompetent? Is it wrong that I enjoy the game like it is now, even if it may have been "better" in the past? While DDO may be easier in many respects than it used to be, isn't it also possible that this is at least partially confounded with the years of gameplay experience that veteran players are fortunate to have under their belt? I'm not denying that some changes may have been geared toward making the game more accessible. I'm just saying that its frustrating when I read things that seem to belittle the challenges that I have experienced in trying to learn DDO...

The reply;


I apologize if you feel I slighted you but with the constant "dumbing" down of this game I stand by my statement.

So, now the game is too challenging without passing on our knowledge and hand-holding in general???

I loled :D

[KoboldKiller]

Humm....



The response;



The reply;



So, now the game is too challenging with passing on our knowledge and hand-holding in general???

I loled :D


Yes but then of course you decided to take it without the context of the general discussion didn't you?

It was in reference to the DDO store creating things that are not necessary.

It was in regards to unlocking doors in Tear.

Those responses have NOTHING to do with this post or my point but nice try.

[bandyman1]

So, which is is KK; The noobs/newbies need our help, and we should be proud to give it??? Or; The game is so easy that a blind monkey could succeed at it???

[KoboldKiller]

Lol oops sorry I was actually agreeing with ya not disagreeing - I shud of started the post better - lack of sleep due to DDO sorry and I also forgot to edit to comment on the rest of ur post.. bahhh silly me.

I was merely saying yes I agree with you - there is no need to have to come to the forums and whine about a poor player, a bad player, a noob or a Newb.. its a game, just a game - teaching others and allowing them an opportunity to try quests / raids etc is only good for the game in the long term - if players want to think of the short term here and now but dont like the risk of having their fun dissolved by a bad egg, or some simple mistakes born out of inexperience then its simple - DONT PUG!

So for those who have had a poor PUG experience today, well it sucks yes i know but do really need to keep coming onto the forums to sound off and look for support, does it change anything, do you get ur lost 10% XP back - no, so just take a giant calm pill and move on otherwise it will eat at you more and more until eventually your own in game attitude might become the issue.

Hope that clears up the confusion Koboldkiller :)


No problem I apologize if I got a bit harsh. :)

[Chai]

MMO gamers play the game their way, and expect others to do the same. Everyone who doesnt live up to their expectation is a noob. Hilarity ensues. More news at 11.

[KoboldKiller]

So, which is is KK; The noobs/newbies need our help, and we should be proud to give it??? Or; The game is so easy that a blind monkey could succeed at it???


See my earlier statement.

While I as a veteran may find the game has been hit with an easy button that doesn't necessarily mean my attitude towards those who find it challenging should be poor. .

As I said you decided to take a post that had NOTHING to do with this topic and twist it to your benefit.

You must be in politics.

[KoboldKiller]

As well as the fact I advocated LEARNING the game instead of putting easy buttons in the DDO store.

Thus players realizing there are tactics to taking on a beholder or mummy.

There are rings and belts that can be found as well as a trinket to be made.

ALL part of LEARNING the game as well.

So bandyman1 while your attempt to derail my thread was admirable you have failed.

[bandyman1]

Yes but then of course you decided to take it without the context of the general discussion didn't you?

It was in reference to the DDO store creating things that are not necessary.

It was in regards to unlocking doors in Tear.

Those responses have NOTHING to do with this post or my point but nice try.

Thing is;

I agree with you.

The store additions and general dumbing down of challenge of low-mid level questing have planted a giant " easy " button in the game. That's the problem. And it's continually getting worse.

I've been here, I've payed my dues. And I'm just not interested in holding the hands of noobs/newbies who've been spoonfed to raid-level without learning a basic skillset for the characters that they're playing.

You want to know where the hate spews from??? Look no further.

[bandyman1]

See???

Those qoutes did have to do with EXACTLY what we're discussing here :D

[KoboldKiller]

See???

Those qoutes did have to do with EXACTLY what we're discussing here :D


Then I stand corrected. :)

[Kalari]

You know people skip the obvious solution to the hate that runs in the forums. Just like a stinky tv show if I dont like something I wont read it. Obviously people read and feed into these "troublesome threads" most you can tell from the very title like "stupid noob did this" "or stupid piker" they are almost always the same the title rarely strays from the jist of the situation.

We can say all we want its just a game dont hate sunshine bunnies and sparkle ponies for everybody. But where humans and gamers and emotional irrational beings at times. Venting is a natural part of that. And many times a vent would lose all its steam if some people would leave the op alone and let it get buried. Yeah there are some touched posters out there ones I really get nervous reading their stuff, but you know what? I let them have their say unless im in a snarky mood and even then Unless I really feel like getting into trouble I will walk away then trying to convince someone who is already agitated to stop and relax.

It goes both ways just because you maybe a stop and smell the roses nothing bothers you cant be bent out of shape over a game doesnt mean everyone else is that way. You cant cry for people to respect your opinion on it because you dont let the game get to you and shut down those who do. I say live and let live and let the mods sort out the off the deep end types. Youd see a lot less hate if you dont go looking for it :)