Idea for a new DDO event

[abrownbear9108]

i may not be the first to have thought of this, but would Turbine ever think of having a weekend or 2 each year where for every new point of favor an existing character recieves, they will get 1 Turbine point at the end of the event period? or maybe 1 TP every 2 favor, but only for existing characters, so as to make sure people dont just make a character and blast through 1500 favor in a day (if thats even possible).

possibility of making it something only F2P and Premium players can do, because VIP's already get extra TP per month, and have access to everything to begin with.

all thoughts and feedback welcome, regardless of whether i get flamed or not. i wanna hear peoples thoughts :D

[flynnjsw]

i may not be the first to have thought of this, but would Turbine ever think of having a weekend or 2 each year where for every new point of favor an existing character recieves, they will get 1 Turbine point at the end of the event period? or maybe 1 TP every 2 favor, but only for existing characters, so as to make sure people dont just make a character and blast through 1500 favor in a day (if thats even possible).

possibility of making it something only F2P and Premium players can do, because VIP's already get extra TP per month, and have access to everything to begin with.

all thoughts and feedback welcome, regardless of whether i get flamed or not. i wanna hear peoples thoughts :D

Personally I would rather they do MORE for VIP then less.

[abrownbear9108]

Personally I would rather they do MORE for VIP then less.

well in my opinion, as a F2Per, VIP already has everything, so why do you need more? not intended to be insulting or anything, just that VIP can do everything as is, the rest of us who cant afford it or choose not to pay for our awesome DDO experience are sadly lacking in the ability to get much further than lvl 13, 14 or 15 without scraping through each server to grind up some TP for the higher lvl content, such as the Vale.

they need more lvl 11-15 free content in my opinion, coz having the 3 quests in The Twelve area as F2P is good and all, but its just not enough

not trying to turn this thread into a rant, just one small persons opinion, which wont count for anything anyways :p

[flynnjsw]

You would be surprised what 1 persons opinion means. Anyway, it is really not in a for-profit companies best interest to give people more free stuff. They give you enough to enjoy it for a while, but in the end you yourself have to decide whether you want to put in the time to grind out the favor or spend a few dollars to buy packs. It has been done.

[abrownbear9108]

lol, thats true, which is why i said only one or 2 weekends a year or something

[Lord_WC]

I don't really see the point of it. It does not have any value for the company, it only helps F2P toons to be F2P longer. All my respect for Turbine for their F2P model since you basically can have EVERYTHING a vip has if you grind it out. Thats much-much more than most of the companies do.


Also, as a vip I feel myself neglected here...

[shores11]

i may not be the first to have thought of this, but would Turbine ever think of having a weekend or 2 each year where for every new point of favor an existing character recieves, they will get 1 Turbine point at the end of the event period? or maybe 1 TP every 2 favor, but only for existing characters, so as to make sure people dont just make a character and blast through 1500 favor in a day (if thats even possible).

possibility of making it something only F2P and Premium players can do, because VIP's already get extra TP per month, and have access to everything to begin with.

all thoughts and feedback welcome, regardless of whether i get flamed or not. i wanna hear peoples thoughts :D

/not signed

Are you serious? The game is already free to you!

In reverse because VIP's are paid subcribors more and more should be done for them to help entice more players to go VIP. Turbines VIP base is there steady income and things bought on the DDO store can be trended and relied upon to an extent it is still revenue that fluctuates.

A business in order to be succesful should reward its paid subcribors and/or encourage others to become paid subscribors. I would bet that even though VIP players have access to everything because they are paying customers that they also spend the most on the DDO store alot more that the leaches, errrrrrr I mean free to play players do. Lets see a survey on that...

[abrownbear9108]

Also, as a vip I feel myself neglected here...

*pats shoulder* there there, you'll get through this, quicker and more effectively than others :)

[shores11]

well in my opinion, as a F2Per, VIP already has everything, so why do you need more? not intended to be insulting or anything, just that VIP can do everything as is, the rest of us who cant afford it or choose not to pay for our awesome DDO experience are sadly lacking in the ability to get much further than lvl 13, 14 or 15 without scraping through each server to grind up some TP for the higher lvl content, such as the Vale.

they need more lvl 11-15 free content in my opinion, coz having the 3 quests in The Twelve area as F2P is good and all, but its just not enough

not trying to turn this thread into a rant, just one small persons opinion, which wont count for anything anyways :p

So to understand you correctly a free to play player should have the same abilities in game that a VIP player does. The only difference is that some people choose to play free or pay?

Turbine offers some stuff for free in order for you to pay for others. This is called a BUSINESS MODEL...

There are 100% free to play games out there. Give them a shot and or apply for government assistance.

[Lord_WC]

*pats shoulder* there there, you'll get through this, quicker and more effectively than others :)

Look, I don't want to sound rude, but...

VIPs are paying for the game you play. If new content comes out, they paid for it. A new item in the game? they paid for it. Turbine point purchaseable items? they paid for it.

I'm really not angry or something, just stating facts. The event you mentioned would only make me (and probably a lot of VIP) go f2p immediately, purchase some of the key packs from our points and grind out the rest in 2 days.

Nah, probably I lied. I like the game too much to do that. Because without paying members, there is no game...

[abrownbear9108]

A business in order to be succesful should reward its paid subcribors and/or encourage others to become paid subscribors. I would bet that even though VIP players have access to everything because they are paying customers that they also spend the most on the DDO store alot more that the leaches, errrrrrr I mean free to play players do. Lets see a survey on that...[/COLOR]

you're absolutely correct there

~Insert Survey Here~

Who is VIP and pays for DDO Store stuff and who is F2P and pays for DDO Store stuff?

Responses are given of your own free will and i personally dont mind if you /rant a bit in your response :) please feel free to do so.

curious to see how the survey pans out from here now :rolleyes:

[flynnjsw]

you're absolutely correct there

~Insert Survey Here~

Who is VIP and pays for DDO Store stuff and who is F2P and pays for DDO Store stuff?

Responses are given of your own free will and i personally dont mind if you /rant a bit in your response :) please feel free to do so.

curious to see how the survey pans out from here now :rolleyes:

I am a VIP, and I buy points occasionally for "stuff".

[abrownbear9108]

Look, I don't want to sound rude, but...

VIPs are paying for the game you play. If new content comes out, they paid for it. A new item in the game? they paid for it. Turbine point purchaseable items? they paid for it.

I'm really not angry or something, just stating facts. The event you mentioned would only make me (and probably a lot of VIP) go f2p immediately, purchase some of the key packs from our points and grind out the rest in 2 days.

Nah, probably I lied. I like the game too much to do that. Because without paying members, there is no game...

i love the game, and if i could i would go VIP or at least premium, but circumstances are against my being able to do so at this point in time.

perhaps it wasnt a good idea to begin with, but at least its there. Turbine can act on it if they want to, but its unlikely that they will because of the facts that have been given, which i didnt think of at the time i posted this

[Memnir]

As a former VIP, yes - the perks for being so are badly lacking. But, regardless of that, making any event that only benefits one segment of the players and willfully leaves out another is just bad design.

[herzkos]

i love the game, and if i could i would go VIP or at least premium, but circumstances are against my being able to do so at this point in time.

perhaps it wasnt a good idea to begin with, but at least its there. Turbine can act on it if they want to, but its unlikely that they will because of the facts that have been given, which i didnt think of at the time i posted this

Seriously, $15 or $10 ($60 every 6 months) is not all that much money to be a VIP. If you can't swing
that much money or any money to buy points, I would respectfully suggest that you quit playing
DDO and find something lucrative to do for your free time.

I play DDO to have fun, yes I'm still paying $60 every 6 months and have been since 2nd anniversary special.
If I couldn't afford to pay the sub or pay to buy points every once in a while, I would certainly get a
part time job. Even if it meant I was calling Mike Rowe (sp) and asking for leads on where to find work
from the folks at Dirty Jobs.

[Xatasha]

well in my opinion, as a F2Per, VIP already has everything, so why do you need more? not intended to be insulting or anything, just that VIP can do everything as is, the rest of us who cant afford it or choose not to pay for our awesome DDO experience are sadly lacking in the ability to get much further than lvl 13, 14 or 15 without scraping through each server to grind up some TP for the higher lvl content, such as the Vale.

they need more lvl 11-15 free content in my opinion, coz having the 3 quests in The Twelve area as F2P is good and all, but its just not enough

not trying to turn this thread into a rant, just one small persons opinion, which wont count for anything anyways :p


If you are F2P then how can you post on these forums. F2P don't have access to General Discussion but instead F2P general discussion.

[sainy_matthew]

I don't really see the point of it. It does not have any value for the company, it only helps F2P toons to be F2P longer. All my respect for Turbine for their F2P model since you basically can have EVERYTHING a vip has if you grind it out. Thats much-much more than most of the companies do.


Also, as a vip I feel myself neglected here...Yes, but without the F2P under DDO's microtransaction system, there wouldn't be a game. F2P players purchase all sorts of things with real money in the DDOstore, something that VIP players do not (at least not often), they also have to purchase the adventure packs (also with real money). In the end its the F2P crowd that brings in the cash. Don't get confused by the word "Free," in F2P. Sure you could grind for Turbine Points, but it would take so long that you would get bored and quit long before you could purchase most quests, let alone any special items.

Also its the incoming F2P players you need to convince into continuing to play & pay, otherwise you end up like champions online where you have to give away entire weeks of free gaming just to get people interested in playing... In other news Champions Online is giving away a free week of gaming next month to anyone who wants it... I smell the scent of desperation on a game less and less people are interested in playing.

My suggestion is not to make a weekend event where you can win more Turbine Points, but instead a few more fun mini-events (& no the risia ice games 6 times a year doesn't count). My suggestion would be a group scavanger hunt (all you need to do is program some NPC's with different dialogue trees), or maybe another adventure that takes place in the market place, or harbour (use some of those existing maps). Maybe as a big end of year thing, Turbine could produce a crisis event, ala Comic Books: Suhagin Attack harbour would be my suggestion.

-M

[Adarro]

Seriously, $15 or $10 ($60 every 6 months) is not all that much money to be a VIP. If you can't swing
that much money or any money to buy points, I would respectfully suggest that you quit playing
DDO and find something lucrative to do for your free time.

Am I missing something? Or did you just say you need to make money during your free time?

I'm fairly certain that $15 a month in and of itself will seldom break someone. $15 for this, and $10 for that and $15 for something else and $5 for that and... adds up pretty quickly.

I think it might have more to do with a limited 'entertainment budget', which means $15 for DDO vs $10 for say... Netflix (which the wife / kids probably enjoy) or 1 trip to the movies (for just 1 person).
Dollar for dollar, you can still do plenty of DDO and get movies for days, vs a few extra DDO perks and lotsa Hulu / Youtube (which you might not want kids enjoying).
Or perhaps its one of a thousand other more serious scenarios like an underwater mortgage, layoffs or a hurricane decimating your small business or whatever else that may make a pure-entertainment internet game fall into the 'if we have money left over' category.

Honestly, if everyone has $15 dollars for game subscriptions and specifically DDO and can't wait to spend it, then why is LOTRO going F2P? Why is Sony adding a F2P option? I'm guessing it has something to do with people not spending there $15 on their game subscriptions. If they are, it's going to the game that shall not be mentioned first, so you're really talking about $30 a month.

DDO has a LOT of competition for that Entertainment $15, especially when I'm staring at a banner advertising 'Unlimited Free Play', not 63% towards cap, not extended trial... 'Unlimited... Free... Play'.

[sainy_matthew]

The OP was talking about a F2P Event, one that would exclude VIPS - and my comment was indicating that VIPS need more benefits, not less.

Wow, maybe you should take a reading comprehension class or two.Actually he didn't say exclude. Though it would be of less interest to VIP's as they already get Turbine Points every month as part of being a VIP.

[Memnir]

possibility of making it something only F2P and Premium players can do,"Only" seems to indicate VIP exclusion, no?

[AyumiAmakusa]

Begging for more free stuff when the game was already free = No

[Marcus-Hawkeye]

So let me get this straight... I really don't want to sound rude so please don't think I'm trying to attack you but you are playing a game for free and now you want even more free things? Give an inch, they try to take a mile. The game is free to play. Don't complain when "free" doesn't cover everything in the game. The company needs money to support your free game. Why don't you contribute to the free game by actually paying for some stuff yourself?

That being said... I have two accounts, one VIP and one Premium. I have a job, girlfriend and children so I don't get much time to play. I buy stuff from the store on both accounts at least once a week if not more. I like the idea of the store and it makes my game much more enjoyable. Would I have the second account if it wasn't "free"? Don't think so.

It's getting tiresome how people want more and more free things to be given to them. You can get all sorts of TP for free by just spending the time to get them yourself. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

[herzkos]

Am I missing something? Or did you just say you need to make money during your free time?

I'm fairly certain that $15 a month in and of itself will seldom break someone. $15 for this, and $10 for that and $15 for something else and $5 for that and... adds up pretty quickly.

I think it might have more to do with a limited 'entertainment budget', which means $15 for DDO vs $10 for say... Netflix (which the wife / kids probably enjoy) or 1 trip to the movies (for just 1 person).
Dollar for dollar, you can still do plenty of DDO and get movies for days, vs a few extra DDO perks and lotsa Hulu / Youtube (which you might not want kids enjoying).
Or perhaps its one of a thousand other more serious scenarios like an underwater mortgage, layoffs or a hurricane decimating your small business or whatever else that may make a pure-entertainment internet game fall into the 'if we have money left over' category.

Honestly, if everyone has $15 dollars for game subscriptions and specifically DDO and can't wait to spend it, then why is LOTRO going F2P? Why is Sony adding a F2P option? I'm guessing it has something to do with people not spending there $15 on their game subscriptions. If they are, it's going to the game that shall not be mentioned first, so you're really talking about $30 a month.

DDO has a LOT of competition for that Entertainment $15, especially when I'm staring at a banner advertising 'Unlimited Free Play', not 63% towards cap, not extended trial... 'Unlimited... Free... Play'.

yes, you did miss something. the whole point in fact.
My point is/was that if you want to have an event for turbine points because you can't "afford" a sub or
even to throw some cash for the occasional turbine point purchase, then you'd be better off finding
a part time job.

Your list of things that cost $10/15 kinda illustrates my point. hmmm, a month of ddo vs going to the
movies (1 person). For entertainment time/$ DDO wins easily.
For those folks in the latter category (hurricane, small business problems, etc). Good luck to them, but
there is a time for fun and a time to get your house in order.
or as a sign in one of my favorite sub shops says, "Do what you have to do today so you can do what
you want to do tomorrow".

[visionary1977]

Shores/Memnir - Chill please peoples, dont let it escalate anymore then it has.

About the OP.

Having read through the posts it seems to me that the OP wants another route for ftp'rs to earn TP.. but this is already a fundamental part of the game... you do quests, you earn favour, you get bonus TPs.

To add another way to get TP that is exclusive to FTP/Premium is not right or fair or just.

Yes VIPrs get TP every month, but well we pay a monthly sub for those points and for the ability to access all content.

Turbine has a business model, Turbine is not a charity nor a non profit organisation, Turbine like all businesses is primarily interested in a single thing "Profit margins"

It would not be a financially sound decision by turbine to give more ways for FTP players to earn TP which would then enable them to access content they would otherwise have had to spend $, £ or Euros on.

Ultimately no product is truly free, not games, not prizes from readers digest, not Buy one get one free in the supermarket.. its just the way of the world.. everything costs even though at first the hidden charges may not be apparent..

if you want something free.. go for a walk, take a big deep breath and get over this crazy notion of "Free to Play" ;)

[KKDragonLord]

Lets see here whats this about?
" Can WE Haz MoAr Stuffz For Freee plizz?!?!"

Ah... the good old F2P greed...

I'd say /Not signed

[Bacab]

Secret....

Turbine is not a "Not for Profit" company.

Their goal is to have you *eventually* spend money on this game.

If you do not value the game to buy a pack here/there...then quit playing it.

BTW F2P and Premium are NOT the same thing.

If you own a computer...and have FAST internet access (this is not cheap)...then I think you SHOULD have 10 dollars to buy the vale. or 20 dollars to buy Gianthold and the Vale. Those two packs will get you to level 20 very easily.

Though you did say in your OP that you accept flames and wanted criticism.

Well I feel this is a bad idea. I will leave it at that.

Now what I do wonder...why do you feel entitled to anything F2Pers (all of you)? And to reiterate...F2P is not Premium.

I view the F2P part of the game as a really long trial of the game. If you play the Trial and enjoy it a lot...then spend some money to support it.

To Shores, its unfortunate that you misread/misunderstood what Memnir was saying. Mem is 99% of the time level headed and offers insight to problems with this game. He pointed out that VIPs generally get very little for being VIP.
I am a VIP myself. If I spent 15$ on TP every month, I would get more than the measly 500 TP I get for being VIP. I view being VIP as "renting" the game. I can quit at anytime.
Your first reply to Memnir did not deserve negative rep. But then calling Memnir a troll was uncalled for. Memnir is an "older gentleman" who likes playing his PnP DnD and playing his DDO and reading his forums. Just because he is an active and respected member on the forums does not make him a "Troll".
I was going to "balance out" the neg rep for you...but then you then insulting Mem more made me reconsider. You did make a good point about business and etc...but your flaming on Mem was misguided.

Anyway, I will repeat...to intentionally exclude VIPs is bad business. To intentionally exclude F2P is a good idea. It gives incentive to go Premium or VIP.

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