Major bug in Guild Renown from chests

[Zaodan]

It was stated MANY times by Turbine devs that when each player loots a chest, the loot inside is generated solely by that character, and its not affected by any other characters. For example, if 1 player has a +1 Loot Gem going, that does NOT affect other characters loot from the chest.

However, guild renown IS being affected by other characters.

Irestone Inlet (normal) Level 4 quest. Level 4 character. I should get renown from the chests, right? Wrong.

If there is a level 8 or higher in the quest (even if that character is standing afk at the start of the quest), I get no renown from chests whatsoever. None. Zero. Ziltch. Nada. Bupkiss. Goose egg.

I've proven this with the following tests.

Ran it 50 times with solely level 4s. I get renown in some of the chests every single run, in multiple chests.
Ran it 50 times with a level 4 and 1 higher level (sometimes 8, sometimes a 16 and sometimes a 20). I get 0 renown in chests. None. Absolutely nothing. Zero.

That is plenty of data points to eliminate any weird anomalies. And no, the Level 4 character in testing was never ransacked.

Turbine, please fix asap.

If a bunch of level 20s, a few 19s and a few 18s run a level 18 quest, the 18s should not be suffering any loss of chance at renown, and the 19s should only be 1 level off. Not 2 levels off. That is just WRONG and a BUG.

[Consumer]

You get no renown for being power levelled, seems WAI.

[Zaodan]

You get no renown for being power levelled, seems WAI.

False. Go loot a chest for loot (for $ and items) with a lvl 4 and lvl 20. Guess what? The loot tables don't change for the level 4 just because a level 20 is there.

So, no, not WAI. Please don't reply when you don't know what the !@#$%^ you're talking about.

[jwdaniels]

So a single level 20 can run into Irestone Inlet with five of his level 4 guildmates and clear everything in minutes while the lowbies run through and pick up renown with absolutely no risk?

That is a terrible idea.

[Zaodan]

So a single level 20 can run into Irestone Inlet with five of his level 4 guildmates and clear everything in minutes while the lowbies run through and pick up renown with absolutely no risk?

That is a terrible idea.

Again, false. Please don't respond to threads where you don't know what you're talking about.

[KristovK]

False. Go loot a chest for loot (for $ and items) with a lvl 4 and lvl 20. Guess what? The loot tables don't change for the level 4 just because a level 20 is there.

So, no, not WAI. Please don't reply when you don't know what the !@#$%^ you're talking about.

Actually it sounds exactly like WAI since Renown is based on what your character does, kills as well as loot. Did you get any Renown while killing and being powerleveled? I know I don't, which seem to be very much WAI in view of what Renown is awarded for.

[Zaodan]

Actually it sounds exactly like WAI since Renown is based on what your character does, kills as well as loot. Did you get any Renown while killing and being powerleveled? I know I don't, which seem to be very much WAI in view of what Renown is awarded for.

OK, seriously, stop with the roleplaying arguments. They have no place in an MMO. This has nothing to do with roleplaying, and everything to do with level 20s, 19s and 18s running Amrath and the 18s getting reduced renown chances due to the 20s being there.

I just TESTED it in Irestone because it was EASY for me to TEST IT.

Get over your roleplaying arguements, they are not valid. This is a game bug.

[twix]

Actually it sounds exactly like WAI since Renown is based on what your character does, kills as well as loot. Did you get any Renown while killing and being powerleveled? I know I don't, which seem to be very much WAI in view of what Renown is awarded for.

^^^ Anyone who thinks a lvl 4 being ran through a lowbie quest by high levels should be able to farm reknown should get their head out of their ass

[jkm]

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=3141968&postcount=159

that was actually harder to find than i thought it would be. short answer, this is WAI

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

Nope it seems to be working exactly as intended, you just seem to be confusing loot mechanics up with guild reknown. Guild reknown follows the same mechanics as for xp, therefore if you are being powerleveled in a quest you will get reduced xp and also reduced guild reknown based on the difference in level between the quest and the highest player level. Whether they are piking at the start or being active in the quest is of no consequence. If you don't like it, then have that person just be a quest opener and not enter the quest instance, then you will still get your level appropriate quest reknown.

Edit: thank you Jkm for the link

[dunklezhan]

OK, seriously, stop with the roleplaying arguments. They have no place in an MMO.


Aha. Ahahaha. AhahaHAHAHAHAHA.

That is all.

[twix]

OK, seriously, stop with the roleplaying arguments. They have no place in an MMO. This has nothing to do with roleplaying, and everything to do with level 20s, 19s and 18s running Amrath and the 18s getting reduced renown chances due to the 20s being there.

Get over your roleplaying arguements, they are not valid. This is a game bug.

Wheres your proof? you said your lvl 4 while being powerleveled doesnt get reknown. Now a lvl 18 with a lvl 20 doesnt? im sorry but i havnt noticed.in fact im 100 % sure that when i was lvl 18 with lvl 20s i still get reknown.Stop trying to farm reknown by being power leveled.Problem solved.

[twix]

OK, seriously, stop with the roleplaying arguments. They have no place in an MMO. This has nothing to do with roleplaying, and everything to do with level 20s, 19s and 18s running Amrath and the 18s getting reduced renown chances due to the 20s being there.

Get over your roleplaying arguements, they are not valid. This is a game bug.

edit :D

[Memnir]

I thought they changed it so that Renown was on a different table from loot - and is indeed effected by character levels of everyone in the quest in order to prevent just such farming abuse.


And while I could be wrong about that, I think it's pretty **** silly to be complaining that you can't easy-button Renown by having an over-level character hold your hand through a quest.

[Consumer]

Apologies all round?

[AyumiAmakusa]

Loot renown is calculated based on the HIGHEST level player. So if it is a level 4 quest and you have a level 20 guy, expect nothing. It's WAI.

[Zaodan]

Nope it seems to be working exactly as intended, you just seem to be confusing loot mechanics up with guild reknown. Guild reknown follows the same mechanics as for xp, therefore if you are being powerleveled in a quest you will get reduced xp and also reduced guild reknown based on the difference in level between the quest and the highest player level. Whether they are piking at the start or being active in the quest is of no consequence. If you don't like it, then have that person just be a quest opener and not enter the quest instance, then you will still get your level appropriate quest renknown.


FALSE.

WHAT PART OF Level 18 getting reduced renown due to a level 19 are you NOT GETTING ?
WHAT PART OF Level 18 getting reduced renown due to a level 20 are you NOT GETTING ?

NEITHER OF THOSE SITUATIONS ARE POWERLEVELING.

Please, folks, learn to ACTUALLY READ before you reply to a thread.

This is a GAME BUG, which I proved using Irestone SIMPLY as an easy way to demonstrate the bug.

Amrath quests are level 18. 18s, 19s and 20s are in a group. NO ONE IS BEING POWERLEVELED.

18s are getting reduced renown.

This is A BUG.

[jwdaniels]

Again, false. Please don't respond to threads where you don't know what you're talking about.

What I'm talking about is using your example of something that you think is a bug and explaining why it's WAI.

[Sirea]

Apologies all round?

Yes, whoever ****ed in Zaodan's Cheerios this morning, please apologize.

[honkuimushi]

I thought that Eladrin said that renown was determined by the highest level character in the quest and the quest level, just like xp. As far as i know, this is WAI.


Edit: Mad Floyd, not Eladrin. Thanks for the quote, jkm.

[zorander6]

When running a level 12 cleric with a level 9 player they still get renown in level appropriate quests.

[Memnir]

you are all pretty much looking really stupid right now..Oh yeah... we're the ones looking stupid right now. :rolleyes:

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

No, it's based on the player with the highest level in the party.


Update:

- We've increased the chance of renown appearing in chests. So currently, unless you're 3 or more levels over the quest level, you should see more renown than in the past. If you're five or more levels over, you should have zero chance of finding renown in chests.

WAI, since the system has already been exploited by players running quests far beneath their characters' level.

[twix]

FALSE.

WHAT PART OF Level 18 getting reduced renown due to a level 19 are you NOT GETTING ?
WHAT PART OF Level 18 getting reduced renown due to a level 20 are you NOT GETTING ?

NEITHER OF THOSE SITUATIONS ARE POWERLEVELING.

Please, folks, learn to ACTUALLY READ before you reply to a thread, you are all pretty much looking really stupid right now.

This is a GAME BUG, which I proved using Irestone SIMPLY as an easy way to demonstrate the bug.

Amrath quests are level 18. 18s, 19s and 20s are in a group. NO ONE IS BEING POWERLEVELED.

18s are getting reduced renown.

This is A BUG.

Sorry your trying to save face as instead of using your original argument you are gonna try this one.Hmmm still havnt noticed any difference in my reknown when im with lvl 20 on an 18 or 19th level character.but hey maybe your just bugged?All i see here is a silly rant on how you cant farm reknown anymore on your lowbies with high level toons with ya.If you want sympathy because you cant exploit the reknown system i think you came to the wrong place :D

[SaisMatters]

Op, I'm going to enjoy watching all your green bars disappear!

[Zaodan]

Sorry your trying to save face as instead of using your original argument you are gonna try this one.Hmmm still havnt noticed any difference in my reknown when im with lvl 20 on an 18 or 19th level character.but hey maybe your just bugged?

My original arguement? Gee, how about you read the OP? Hmm, seems like I actually mentioned Amrtah and 18s with 20s in the OP! Wow, imagine that.

[SolarDawning]

Zaodan: Nice job on doing a forum search before you posted! It really shows your willingness to investigate a topic before you rant and rave at everyone.
Oh wait...

I was digging up the MadFloyd quotes too, but Yazton beat me to it. =)

If ANYONE in the party is five levels over the quest level, there will BE NO RENOWN.

It's that simple. That is working as intended.

[AbsynthMinded]

Who really cares anyway.. Guild renown is a shoddy plastic hamster wheel. Unless your level 4 is going to be responsible for getting your guild to lvl 100 on his own, chances are its going to not contribute much anyways. I figure no toon should get any renown until after level 10, but that's my opinion.. The whole system is shoddy and poorly conceived.

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

FALSE.

~snip

This is A BUG.

FALSE.

It is Working As Intended. Read my previous post in this thread for the direct quotes, and perhaps before you go ballistic on people responding to your thread, research the topic yourself. Search is your friend.

[twix]

My original arguement? Gee, how about you read the OP? Hmm, seems like I actually mentioned Amrtah and 18s with 20s in the OP! Wow, imagine that.

if this was your original aim at posting then why all the info on how you did irestone 50 times this way and 50 times that way? wheres your play testing in amrath? Oh yeah you pulled that out your ass i forgot.

[Tolero]

Renown is not loot. Renown is guild XP. Renown follows the same type of rules as XP in a quest. If you have people in your quest who are higher level than you, you will take an XP hit.