Oh look another obscure ruleset i missed.

[Thechemicals]

So after acquiring about 9 different links on this forum by some helpful people(and some not), i discovered today that my favor does not stack. Of course, this has got to be one of those rules i should have known as soon as i started playing this game. I wouldnt have done about 45 minutes of dungeon repetitition if i had known this....

So far id guess i have broken even at progress vs counter progress(due to rules that seem to be everywhere and that i should have known). I have retired 2 characters that i learned were conflicting in splash classing. One lvl 9 and one lvl 4.

Seems like everytime i start to read a ddo article, i learn about something else.

[PCNONSENSE]

Hi!!

[Goldeneye]

yup.

[KillEveryone]

Hi!!

You forgot Welcome. :D

[rest]

You forgot Welcome. :D

It's in his post's title bar :p

[dranreb]

Right. Favor doesn't stack, but if you do the quest on harder levels of difficulty, your favor will continue to increase until you have completed it on the highest level of difficulty. So, you might get 4 for normal, 8 for hard, 12 for elite. They don't stack, but you'll be credited with the difference. Or, you could just run them on elite the first time and save yourself some trouble.

[AZgreentea]

Get used to it, you will be learning things you didnt know in this game until you level 2, maybe three different classes to lvl 20...

Only then will there be more than 6 months without you learning something new. Consider it a blessing that this game is so complex you cant learn it 20 hours of gameplay.

[KillEveryone]

For character building if you don't have the character planner then click the link I posted. That will help.

http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO/DDOCharGen.html

To get a grip on how DDO feats and such work, try a few rerolls. Don't get too high up, just high enough to try a couple of feats then reroll to try other feats. I didn't totally understand how thing worked untill I rerolled seven times. I still don't but I do have a better understand. After all my rerolls I had a basic handle on things and could enjoy playing more.

Splashes should be planned from the start. That planner will help quite a lot. It also helps to know which feats are worth it and which ones are just useless.

[AbsynthMinded]

In fact it becomes even worse when Turbine decides to do things like re-invent the combat systems. But otherwise, you can't trust anything in DDO to work like you'd expect it to, if at all. There is so much of this game that is broken, and has been for years, DDO becomes a text book game design example of what not to do.

[KillEveryone]

It's in his post's title bar :p

Ahhh. I got confused. :)

[Qzipoun]

So after acquiring about 9 different links on this forum by some helpful people(and some not), i discovered today that my favor does not stack. Of course, this has got to be one of those rules i should have known as soon as i started playing this game. I wouldnt have done about 45 minutes of dungeon repetitition if i had known this....

So far id guess i have broken even at progress vs counter progress(due to rules that seem to be everywhere and that i should have known). I have retired 2 characters that i learned were conflicting in splash classing. One lvl 9 and one lvl 4.

Seems like everytime i start to read a ddo article, i learn about something else that i have royally fked up.

Cool story bro?

Sorry, I fail to see any point being made or question being asked. Care to elaborate?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

If you haven't found it yet, http://ddowiki.com/ is the best source of info on this game. It's got pretty much anything you need to know. If in doubt, look it up there. The character builder someone else posted is also a must for any MC build you want to do.

[Thechemicals]

In fact it becomes even worse when Turbine decides to do things like re-invent the combat systems. But otherwise, you can't trust anything in DDO to work like you'd expect it to, if at all. There is so much of this game that is broken, and has been for years, DDO becomes a text book game design example of what not to do.

yeh i have heard. I read someone tlaking about a range nerf ddo had a longtime ago and about bolt clips having 4 bolts but only firing 3 now...So i went home from work logged on and there it was...a 4 clip xbow with 3 shots...that is just the kind of things people allow to happen in this game and defend the game still.

Then much later i found out that the xbow gliches and doesnt log in shots after every like 13th shot or something....i was like GREAT, GREAT news to hear now that i have this mechanic rogue up to level 14 lol.

[Visty]

you still got the xp, no?

[DelScorcho]

I'm so glad this is in general discussion. The OP wasted 45 minutes. This is something of interest to the entire DDO community ...

[Mockduck]

So after acquiring about 9 different links on this forum by some helpful people(and some not), i discovered today that my favor does not stack. Of course, this has got to be one of those rules i should have known as soon as i started playing this game. I wouldnt have done about 45 minutes of dungeon repetitition if i had known this....

So far id guess i have broken even at progress vs counter progress(due to rules that seem to be everywhere and that i should have known). I have retired 2 characters that i learned were conflicting in splash classing. One lvl 9 and one lvl 4.

Seems like everytime i start to read a ddo article, i learn about something else that i have royally fked up.

That's a bummer, but as above folks have said this game takes some time to learn the skills. The reward is an excellent, deep and complex game that allows you to do all sorts of creative things you might not be able to in a game that you can learn all of the rules for in an hour or so. Stick with it and you'll be rewarded.

But it probably wouldn't hurt to do a search on the forums for "things I wish I knew" and stuff like that. There's quite a few potential gotchas out there.

[Thechemicals]

I'm so glad this is in general discussion. The OP wasted 45 minutes. This is something of interest to the entire DDO community ...

45 minutes a day for 1 week.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

45 minutes a day for 1 week.

And you invested that much time without ever looking at your favor to see how you were doing?

[theb]

And you invested that much time without ever looking at your favor to see how you were doing?

He didn't want to waste the time.

[rimble]

45 minutes a day for 1 week.

What...? Favor grinding? And you seriously never looked at your Favor?

WoW...

[Thechemicals]

That's a bummer, but as above folks have said this game takes some time to learn the skills. The reward is an excellent, deep and complex game that allows you to do all sorts of creative things you might not be able to in a game that you can learn all of the rules for in an hour or so. Stick with it and you'll be rewarded.

But it probably wouldn't hurt to do a search on the forums for "things I wish I knew" and stuff like that. There's quite a few potential gotchas out there.

yes im definatly learning the basic rules of this game 2 months into the game lol.

BTW i love this game and play all the time so im really sad faced to continuously learn about details that is runing my day.

[Thechemicals]

What...? Favor grinding? And you seriously never looked at your Favor?

WoW...

it was like day 3-4 when i learned about the favor tray. I just kept going to the patrons to see if i had won stuff.

Dunno man i kind of expected a bit of mediocrity from this game so i functioned at that level of play.

[Cyr]

classic...

Remind me why the entire forum community needs to know that you did not know how something worked and now do. You do realize it is impossible for us to try and guess everything in game that you will think works one way and doesn't and point it out specifically to you before it happens? Particularly something like favor where all you had to do was open up the quest list and see how it was displayed to realize very quickly that it did not stack.

[Cyr]

it was like day 3-4 when i learned about the favor tray. I just kept going to the patrons to see if i had won stuff.

Dunno man i kind of expected a bit of mediocrity from this game so i functioned at that level of play. Its like playing football with a mentally challenged person, your not going to tackle them hard or make strategic plans to beat him. I just kinda played the game for what it is....a cackle fck of detailed rules hidden from sight.

Yeah, that big button to open it up is impossible to find. I highly recommend clicking on all of them and figuring out what they do.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

it was like day 3-4 when i learned about the favor tray. I just kept going to the patrons to see if i had won stuff.

Dunno man i kind of expected a bit of mediocrity from this game so i functioned at that level of play. Its like playing football with a mentally challenged person, your not going to tackle them hard or make strategic plans to beat him. I just kinda played the game for what it is....a cackle fck of detailed rules hidden from sight.

My sympathy has faded as the thread continued.

I think you are being a bit hard on yourself by saying you are mentally challenged though. It may just be a lack of effort on your part.

[jwdaniels]

I think you are being a bit hard on yourself by saying you are mentally challenged though. It may just be a lack of effort on your part.

Take the time to go back and read the other threads he's posted - you might change your opinion.



:D

[donfilibuster]

D&D is always a complex game, and if DDO has the rules messed up they are still rules, obscure rules but still rules in the end.
Manual or not you still need to look into how things work to not mess your game but fortunately most of the stuff you pick up while playing.
Since there's a lot of things to know and try the best way is to just go and dive into the game without fear of having to reroll at some point.

It is ok to want to not waste time but you can't expect to have every little detail shown in-game, specially with so many easy buttons existing in the game.
As for the rules, it pays off to ask things on the /advice channel in the harbor or market but also keep in mind people will be giving their own personal interpretation of the rules over the chat.
You can also check ddowiki, and if all fail just ask in forums for clarifications.

[Eladiun]

I'm bored with you...and your post. Find something that you like to do and do that you obviously dislike this game. Everything in life has a learning curve get used to it.

[dunklezhan]

Chemicals,

this is a very complex game. I urge you first to read the PDF manual which came with the game download - its not up to date, plenty of things are different, but some of the basics (like favour) are covered there - it might seem a bit patronising, but I assure you that's not my intent. I read it, and I'm glad I did. I also urge you to read the threads in my sig. Some very dedicated people have put in a lot of time to bring you much valuable information.

[Cyr]

I'm bored with you...and your post. Find something that you like to do and do that you obviously dislike this game. Everything in life has a learning curve get used to it.

My assumption is the OP has found that thing in the DDO forums.

[Phidius]

... Everything in life has a learning curve get used to it.

Except the last part - everyone nails that on the first go :D

[Thechemicals]

Im just trying not to make as many mistakes as you clowns did when you first started. The fact that im here trying to learn shows im ok with a learning curve.

But thanks for coming bye

[twix]

Yeah !! Lets jump down his throat and tell him how much he sucks and should play a different game because he didn't know everything about ddo within the first couple months of playing! All i see here is a little rant about something he LEARNED.

We should all congratulate him on LEARNING from his mistakes like we all did once.He didn't come here telling us how much ddo sucks and how he hates it.He came on the forums to rant and to state how he wasn't expecting a new and interesting game to play,but went into it thinking it would be a run of the mill easy mmo like all the others.Least this is what i got out of the OP.Some of you need some fresh air i think.

Oh wait i get it only certain people are aloud to post a rant and then only if it is demeaning turbine or complaining about omgz the nerfzzzz!!.

[Eladiun]

Except the last part - everyone nails that on the first go :D


+1 Nice.

[Eladiun]

Yeah !! Lets jump down his throat and tell him how much he sucks and should play a different game because he didn't know everything about ddo within the first couple months of playing! All i see here is a little rant about something he LEARNED.

We should all congratulate him on LEARNING from his mistakes like we all did once.He didn't come here telling us how much ddo sucks and how he hates it.He came on the forums to rant and to state how he wasn't expecting a new and interesting game to play,but went into it thinking it would be a run of the mill easy mmo like all the others.Least this is what i got out of the OP.Some of you need some fresh air i think.

Oh wait i get it only certain people are aloud to post a rant and then only if it is demeaning turbine or complaining about omgz the nerfzzzz!!.

Read all his posts, taken as a whole, and get back to us with an educated opinion. Thanks.

[flynnjsw]

Yeah !! Lets jump down his throat and tell him how much he sucks and should play a different game because he didn't know everything about ddo within the first couple months of playing! All i see here is a little rant about something he LEARNED.

We should all congratulate him on LEARNING from his mistakes like we all did once.He didn't come here telling us how much ddo sucks and how he hates it.He came on the forums to rant and to state how he wasn't expecting a new and interesting game to play,but went into it thinking it would be a run of the mill easy mmo like all the others.Least this is what i got out of the OP.Some of you need some fresh air i think.

Oh wait i get it only certain people are aloud to post a rant and then only if it is demeaning turbine or complaining about omgz the nerfzzzz!!.

Question; have you read any of his other posts?

[twix]

Read all his posts, taken as a whole, and get back to us with an educated opinion. Thanks.

I dont need to read all his posts they dont affect me one bit. I read this post.And then read his join date.Give the guy some slack and go breathe some fresh air.

[twix]

Question; have you read any of his other posts?

I read the one he just posted asking for help about confirm critical.Either seems hes trying to learn to me.If he posted stupid **** before good for him i probably posted in those threads about how ****ing stupid he is.But this thread has nothing to do with any other posts he made what so ever.

[jwdaniels]

I dont need to read all his posts they dont affect me one bit. I read this post.And then read his join date.Give the guy some slack and go breathe some fresh air.

Really, you do need to read his other posts. Then you will understand. It's not about join date at all with him.

[twix]

Really, you do need to read his other posts. Then you will understand. It's not about join date at all with him.

Ok,ok ill read his other posts and stick my foot in my mouth .BRB :D

[flynnjsw]

I read the one he just posted asking for help about confirm critical.Either seems hes trying to learn to me.If he posted stupid **** before good for him i probably posted in those threads about how ****ing stupid he is.But this thread has nothing to do with any other posts he made what so ever.

Considering everything you do has consequences, then yes; everything he has ever posted makes a difference.

[twix]

Ok ,as i take my foot out my mouth, I only read one thread he started and it just so happened to be a thread about how tactics and zerging are cheating and exploiting.LOL I can see where some of ya are coming from.Carry on and pretend i wasnt here :D

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Hi Welcome

[Kakashi67]

Im just trying not to make as many mistakes as you clowns did when you first started. The fact that im here trying to learn shows im ok with a learning curve.

But thanks for coming bye

It didn't take us 4 days to realize that favor doesn't stack.

What you call an obscure rule set, we call common sense.


Hi Welcome


Thanks for coming bye

[Emili]

So after acquiring about 9 different links on this forum by some helpful people(and some not), i discovered today that my favor does not stack. Of course, this has got to be one of those rules i should have known as soon as i started playing this game. I wouldnt have done about 45 minutes of dungeon repetitition if i had known this....

So far id guess i have broken even at progress vs counter progress(due to rules that seem to be everywhere and that i should have known). I have retired 2 characters that i learned were conflicting in splash classing. One lvl 9 and one lvl 4.

Seems like everytime i start to read a ddo article, i learn about something else that i have royally fked up.
Chawk it up to learning curve... there be no "wasted time."

[rdasca]

Im just trying not to make as many mistakes as you clowns did when you first started. The fact that im here trying to learn shows im ok with a learning curve.

But thanks for coming bye

For someone asking questions, critiquing DDO, or just making general comments you have a way of rubbing people the wrong way.

It is really too bad that you cannot simply ask a question or make a comment without you turning your own thread into an insult to others. Personally I really think you need to start over with a fresh and more respectful outlook, otherwise you are never going to get the kind of help and support most here will happily give to a new player.

Note I did not say you have to agree with any / everyone, but by insulting others is generally not a way to get your questions answered.

[stainer]

@OP

A guild might help you through this learning curve. Think of a guild as an in game forum, with people that might run with you. Also with a guild you, more than likely, will always have a quest of some sort to run.

You don't have to be in guild to be successful at this game, but all the successful people I know are in a guild.

[Rumbaar]

This is the exact reason why they've made the change from 1d6 to 1 to 6, as some people just aren't up to speed with the terminology. The favor system is unique to DDO and not part of D&D lore, so for some that's new.

I've not done the new Korthos line, but is there a tutorial series for learning about the favor system? Maybe look into that Turbine.

I know ever other NPC on there wants to educate me on the Soul Binding system, why not other important game info via those tutorials.

[Hambo]

Except the last part - everyone nails that on the first go :D

-except for attempted suicides... Frank Zappa had a song about such called, apropriately, "Suicide Chump" :D

[Edit - First verse from memory, blues style]

You say there ain't no use in living, it's all a waste of time;
You wanna throw your life away, well people that's just fine!
Go 'head on and get it over with then, find you a bridge and take a jump...
...Just make sure you get it right the first time,
'cause nothing's worse than a suicide chump!

[nanobot1994]

BTW i love this game and play all the time so im really sad faced to continuously learn about details that is runing my day.


I just kinda played the game for what it is....a cackle fck of detailed rules hidden from sight.

Ok... so you love this game, but think its a 'cackle fck of detailed rules', so you love a 'cackle fck of detailed rules'? Yet, I see you calling others weirdos...

Really, judging from your other threads, you don't like this game too much, and think its too complicated. Why don't you go play something simpler, like other have suggested, so you don't have to deal with a 'cackle fck of detailed rules'.

______

But seriously, I'd suggest spending a few hours on the wiki, sure its boring, but it saves you from looking like a (complete) idiot on the forums/advice chat, I know it helped me to some degree. As a bonus, I find the whole DnD universe to be extremely interesting, and wish it was more known where I grew up, maybe you'll find it interesting as well.

[MrWizard]

I made many of the same mistakes (and I bought the book) when I first started.

Favor...I needed a few more coin lord for a backpack, so I kept doing coinlord and got nothing...then someone explained it to me.

Each quest has a favor alloted per difficulty. However, only the highest is counted for a grand total that quest can give you. Example
Quest # 5
casual = 1 favor
norm = 2 favor
hard = 3 favor
elite = 4 favor

No matter how many times you do it, no matter what difficulty, the most you will get is the number from the highest difficulty you did. This favor does not 'add up' so going from hard with 3 favor to elite with 4 favor gets you only 1 more favor point in your total.


Splash: This is basically an advanced character design. Just thinking your toon is gonna be da bomb because he is a fighting magic user is far from reality. My first toon was a 5 ftr/ 5 sorc. Even when level cap was 10 it was a total gimp.

Best thing to do is try out a fighter class, stay pure fighter, learn the game a bit, and find some online friends/guilds that will help you build your next class. It is very advanced to play many other classes and multi-class builds without gimping them very easily.

[Irinis]

It's in his post's title bar :p

Wrong


Hi Welcome

Right

[Yagi]

wow this thread is like an instruction manual on how to play soggy biscuit with your own ego


This post is about some guy who probably has alot of experience with free mmo's and came here expecting it to be a shallow grinder with a few dnd skins on the npcs but instead he is finding that it is an actual complex and unique game developed from the ground up, not from a copy n paste kit (like dozens or hell probably hundreds by now of free mmos are).
He has probably not seen a f2p game that has even a fraction of the work put into making ddo. (not many exist)

This is obviously supposed to be funny...do you folks ever stop crawling in your skin?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

wha? i didnt come here for your sympathy. What a weirdo lol

So what possible point did you have when you started this thread?

[theb]

So what possible point did you have when you started this thread?

To brag that he only took a few days to learn how favor works, and that he only wasted 45 minutes per day doing so.

Unlike the rest of us simpletons.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I think you are over-reacting.

You probably got a lot of XP from those quests. And still got favor.


And if you are going to retire a char, do it because it is no longer fun to play, not because of what someone else tells you.

[kchaz]

/snip ....Unlike the rest of us simpletons.

Clowns dude...get it right :)

[Pugsley]

Count yourself lucky you found out when you did. DDO is very, very finicky at the high levels. If you don't do everything exactly right, you may as well delete. Or tough it out, get to 20 somehow and reincarnate, I guess.