LOOT already!

[fuzzy1guy]

I do not understand why, on a daily basis. You see groups of 12 people standing around a chest waiting to loot.

Nobody wants to be first? Nobody wants to be last?


What the hell is it? Gotta be a reason for it..

Is it rude to just loot and get it over with already? Standing around doesn't seem to make the loot any better..
Why the hell do people do this? Stand around and wait for SOMEONE to say 3, 2, 1....




On an unrelated chest note... How hilarious would it be for the devs to slip a large mimic in.
With a .00001% rate of showing up.

12 people standing around a chest.. (after quest officially completed) first one who actually loots it gets hit with 150 dmg. And the chest goes running away. Like the key in delirium. And you must chase it down and kill it to get your real chest. And its immune to fire, acid, poison, and blade barrier.

[TiranBlade]

I understand this as a theory, but can not confirm, but the character with the highest rank apparently affects the level of the loot dropped. The higher the rank the better the loot, but I was never able to confirm this theory.

[phalaeo]

I understand this as a theory, but can not confirm, but the character with the highest rank apparently affects the level of the loot dropped. The higher the rank the better the loot, but I was never able to confirm this theory.

Not true.

[AyumiAmakusa]

Not true.

Not unless you use Diplomacy on the chest first. :)

[QuintonReece]

I understand this as a theory, but can not confirm, but the character with the highest rank apparently affects the level of the loot dropped. The higher the rank the better the loot, but I was never able to confirm this theory.

Bahahahahahahahahhahaha. lol

Yet another person falls prey to some chest loot rumor.

You really should have run around it backwards three times, diplo the chest, beg the chest then sneak hump it 12 times before finally letting the person that died first open the chest. If you dont get the raid loot you wanted you should re-roll because you will forever be loot-gimped on that toon which in turn will affect your other characters unless you utterly destroy that character and all his loot.

[Morlen]

Bahahahahahahahahhahaha. lol

Yet another person falls prey to some chest loot rumor.

You really should have run around it backwards three times, diplo the chest, beg the chest then sneak hump it 12 times before finally letting the person that died first open the chest. If you dont get the raid loot you wanted you should re-roll because you will forever be loot-gimped on that toon which in turn will affect your other characters unless you utterly destroy that character and all his loot.


I prefer a nice round 13 chest sneak humps. My loot has been much better since I've made this change.

[AyumiAmakusa]

I do not understand why, on a daily basis. You see groups of 12 people standing around a chest waiting to loot.

Nobody wants to be first? Nobody wants to be last?


What the hell is it? Gotta be a reason for it..

Is it rude to just loot and get it over with already? Standing around doesn't seem to make the loot any better..
Why the hell do people do this? Stand around and wait for SOMEONE to say 3, 2, 1....




On an unrelated chest note... How hilarious would it be for the devs to slip a large mimic in.
With a .00001% rate of showing up.

12 people standing around a chest.. (after quest officially completed) first one who actually loots it gets hit with 150 dmg. And the chest goes running away. Like the key in delirium. And you must chase it down and kill it to get your real chest. And its immune to fire, acid, poison, and blade barrier.

It might be my fault. A few months back, I was doing a low-ish quest. I told the party, 'You ever notice how the first person to open the chest gets worse loot than the others?' and throughout the quest no one dared to open the chest first. Eventually I opened the chest first and by mere coincidence everyone got better loot (they thought it was better loot because they got more stuff but all of them were gems). I got 1 or 2 items and the others got gems in different chests. They probably passed this around and well....news spreads fast.

[Truga]

It might be my fault. A few months back, I was doing a low-ish quest. I told the party, 'You ever notice how the first person to open the chest gets worse loot than the others?' and throughout the quest no one dared to open the chest first. Eventually I opened the chest first and by mere coincidence everyone got better loot (they thought it was better loot because they got more stuff but all of them were gems). I got 1 or 2 items and the others got gems in different chests. They probably passed this around and well....news spreads fast.

Ahahahaha.

I once told my party that if you roll (tumble) around in the new PrE cleric's healing aura, it will heal you faster. When we finished the last quest we did (it was random harbour quests) everyone was rolling in the aura, even the people that joined later on, because they got told this by others. I only wish I frapsed that, it was hilarious.

[donfilibuster]

Some people take on the habit of letting someone else trigger the traps on chests, and it kind of sticks.

[SINIBYTE]

On an unrelated chest note... How hilarious would it be for the devs to slip a large mimic in.
With a .00001% rate of showing up.

12 people standing around a chest.. (after quest officially completed) first one who actually loots it gets hit with 150 dmg. And the chest goes running away. Like the key in delirium. And you must chase it down and kill it to get your real chest. And its immune to fire, acid, poison, and blade barrier.

Genius. :)

[SINIBYTE]

At some point in probably every DDOers gaming history, they've popped a chest and someone said something like "can we get everyone up before looting first?", or "You opened the chest without me there?" or something similar.

[Dunfalach]

At some point in probably every DDOers gaming history, they've popped a chest and someone said something like "can we get everyone up before looting first?", or "You opened the chest without me there?" or something similar.

One thing that IS a problem, though I'm sure not the case in your situation, is people who open chests while one party member hasn't made it back into the quest from having to release out. If anyone is not IN the quest when the chest is opened, they usually don't get any loot from the chest.

[SINIBYTE]

Also, if you open a chest, and everyone gets skunked, it's your fault.

[Depravity]

Also, if you open a chest, and everyone gets skunked, it's your fault.

This - the raid countdown sets up a situation like being the one guy in the firing squad with a blank. If everyone opens the chest at once, there's a chance the **** loot isn't your fault.

Although it is. And you know it. And the knowledge shall haunt you forever.

[thoryndar]

It's an ettiquette thing.

My guild has a rule that if we are raiding or grouped, we don't open the chest till we are all there.

11 guildies and 1 PuG in the group - take a guess who opens it first, 80% of the time.

**Small Vent**

In Shroud, if the fountains aren't yet purified, don't open the chests in the water.

Sorry, just my own personal thing.

[TiranBlade]

Bahahahahahahahahhahaha. lol

Yet another person falls prey to some chest loot rumor.

You really should have run around it backwards three times, diplo the chest, beg the chest then sneak hump it 12 times before finally letting the person that died first open the chest. If you dont get the raid loot you wanted you should re-roll because you will forever be loot-gimped on that toon which in turn will affect your other characters unless you utterly destroy that character and all his loot.

I never actually follow this rumor, I just thought it might be a reasonable explination. Thanks for letting me know it's a false rumor, now I can get that off my list of rumors to shoot down.

[TheBroken_JPK]

Bahahahahahahahahhahaha. lol

Yet another person falls prey to some chest loot rumor.

You really should have run around it backwards three times, diplo the chest, beg the chest then sneak hump it 12 times before finally letting the person that died first open the chest. If you dont get the raid loot you wanted you should re-roll because you will forever be loot-gimped on that toon which in turn will affect your other characters unless you utterly destroy that character and all his loot.

This is how I get a bloodstone to drop every single time.

[Lorz]

At some point in probably every DDOers gaming history, they've popped a chest and someone said something like "can we get everyone up before looting first?", or "You opened the chest without me there?" or something similar.

The game mechanics have taught me it is better too loot first fight second.
If you die....you get to keep it.

:)

[Lorz]

This is how I get a bloodstone to drop every single time.

Your doing something wrong.....Maybe its how your holding your tongue.

But if your only getting one EVERY SINGLE TIME....your definitely doing it wrong. :)

[Sithias]

It's an ettiquette thing.

My guild has a rule that if we are raiding or grouped, we don't open the chest till we are all there.

11 guildies and 1 PuG in the group - take a guess who opens it first, 80% of the time.

**Small Vent**

In Shroud, if the fountains aren't yet purified, don't open the chests in the water.

Sorry, just my own personal thing.

I want to second the Shroud thing Thor....I chaps my rear when I'm running water but I'm seeing loot being scrolled up my chat box when there are still fountains to take care of....I feel your pain :)

[Freeman]

**Small Vent**

In Shroud, if the fountains aren't yet purified, don't open the chests in the water.

Sorry, just my own personal thing.

In general, yes. However, if you are down to one fountain left, all the puzzles are solved, and someone(or multiple people) have already said they've got it, I'm not going to wait at that point to grab the chests. I've also been on the flip side,where in a pug Shroud, a guildie and myself, between the two of us, solved five of the puzzles and ran at least 9 waters. Most of the group was standing around the middle twiddling their thumbs. When I lead these days, I make it a point to tell everyone to run water. The only exception might be a healer standing there healing people as they run in and out, but that still speeds up the overall process.

[samthedagger]

If I know the quest like the back of my hand I'll open any chest first as long as there are no mobs nearby, no allies in trouble (dead or unconscious), and no traps or other unsavory conditions on the chest. If it has been a long time or I am not very familiar with the quest, I will wait, or at the very least ask if it is okay to open the chest. I cannot tell you how many times while playing my rogue that I am attempting to disarm a trap on a chest and some n00b rushes up and opens the chest killing himself and anyone unlucky enough to be standing by (except me; with my roguish awesomeness I, of course, survive). I dislike being that n00b, thus I am cautious unless I know what I am doing.

[GBantaR]

If I know the quest like the back of my hand I'll open any chest first as long as there are no mobs nearby, no allies in trouble (dead or unconscious), and no traps or other unsavory conditions on the chest. If it has been a long time or I am not very familiar with the quest, I will wait, or at the very least ask if it is okay to open the chest. I cannot tell you how many times while playing my rogue that I am attempting to disarm a trap on a chest and some n00b rushes up and opens the chest killing himself and anyone unlucky enough to be standing by (except me; with my roguish awesomeness I, of course, survive). I dislike being that n00b, thus I am cautious unless I know what I am doing.

Same thing. If I don't know the quest, unless I'm playing a Rogue, I never really know if that **** thing is trapped. But I don't stand around the chest waiting - I stand on the other end of the bloody room.

[Club'in]

Can you give me a few more details on that shroud thing? I thought you had to finish running water in order to even be able to gain access to those underwater chests. So...what are the consequences of hitting those chests too early?

[MilkmanDan]

I just shake my head when someone loots a chest and the rest of the party is fighting for their life. You can tell where their priorities lie.

[fuzzy1guy]

Note i said 12 people standing around a chest...

So not optional/regular/misc junk chests... I'm talkin end raid chests.. the BIG one..

Von, vod, hound, reaver, dq, ect ect....

daily i run these things and every single time you all end up standing there in a circle looking at an unopened chest.

There's nothing else to kill. Everyones alive. Mass buffs going off for no reason.
Nothing more is going to happen in that quest.


And yet we're all standing here looking at the end chest for some bizarre reason.

>ooo look a chest... should i open it?
>>i'm not opening it, you open it!
>well i don't want to open it first.. you touch it.. i'll go second.
>>>someone give a countdown already!
>screwit. I'LL open it.

loot time!


Shroud seems to be an exception. As does tempest spine. But most other raids we all stand there for a good 2-5 minutes looking at the closed chest... In groups that as soon as they're outside they'll be dropping group and rush on to the next thing. kthx bye.

It just seems so bizarre for people so concerned with loot or xp / over time to be standing around looking at the end chest for a few minutes.

[Freeman]

Well, I've seen mass buffs used to try to tell if anyone is DCing.(If they don't get the effect, they've lost connection) Of course, I don't think that's why it is done most of the time, but that's what started it originally. Then there's the various voodoo rituals, either serious or not, including disco balls, grease, etc. Finally, no one wants to be the one that just popped the chest right before you hear "XXXX is DC'ing, they just told me in Vent". I think the raid leader should step up and pop the chest when they are ready. I wantz my lootz!

[Quarterling]

Not unless you use Diplomacy on the chest first. :)

...or be wielding a Luck Blade. http://forums.ddo.com/images/icons/icon12.gif

[Narmolanya]

Bahahahahahahahahhahaha. lol

Yet another person falls prey to some chest loot rumor.

You really should have run around it backwards three times, diplo the chest, beg the chest then sneak hump it 12 times before finally letting the person that died first open the chest. If you dont get the raid loot you wanted you should re-roll because you will forever be loot-gimped on that toon which in turn will affect your other characters unless you utterly destroy that character and all his loot.

Yup it's all in the tecnique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd_LTu75F18&feature=youtube_gdata

[Arel]

I just don't want to open the chest. That way, if the loot sucks nobody can blame me, even in jest.

This is in direct opposition to normal chests, where I'm usually the first one to pop it. Gogo monk speed!

[Vynnt]

Can you give me a few more details on that shroud thing? I thought you had to finish running water in order to even be able to gain access to those underwater chests. So...what are the consequences of hitting those chests too early?
You gain access to the chests once all the puzzles are solved. It's just bad form to loot while everyone else is doing the work and putting waters in the fountains.

[Tooky]

I just shake my head when someone loots a chest and the rest of the party is fighting for their life. You can tell where their priorities lie.

/signed

But also, I think the main reason they wait is the 'loot transfer bug' (that the devs will claim they never heard of, of course lol). The named raid loot is bind-to-character and most groups (always in guilds, usually in pugs) will transfer to other people anything that isn't useful to the character that pulled it. Transferring it in the chest is the only way to get it to a good home. If someone leaves early and quits the group, the list is kyboshed so when an item is transferred it can go to the wrong person. Life being what it is, it will usually go to someone who has already quit the dungeon, can't get back in (eg Shroud) and so the item is just lost.

So no hurry, hang around, chill out, see what people pull, congratulate them, roll for stuff you like and everyone's happy. Leave early, cause a problem, and don't be surprised if you don't get invited to pug with them again. And you never know, maybe someone'll pass you a nifty trinket :)

[thoryndar]

Can you give me a few more details on that shroud thing? I thought you had to finish running water in order to even be able to gain access to those underwater chests. So...what are the consequences of hitting those chests too early?

There isn't like some hidden ZOMGS effect - it just shows you that while there is still work to be done, there are people who are so greedy they can't wait 30 more seconds.

Like I initially posted - small vent, and it's an annoyance.

[DelScorcho]

You gotta play it cool around the chest. If you appear too eager, you'll get nothing. So you gotta act like maybe you'll loot the chest unless you find something better to do. Then, when you finally open the chest, it will spill all just to impress you.

Shadow humping doesn't work; it is the definition of appearing too eager ...

[LordPiglet]

It's an ettiquette thing.

My guild has a rule that if we are raiding or grouped, we don't open the chest till we are all there.

11 guildies and 1 PuG in the group - take a guess who opens it first, 80% of the time.

**Small Vent**

In Shroud, if the fountains aren't yet purified, don't open the chests in the water.

Sorry, just my own personal thing.

That ticks me off too, why are you looting and not fuggin running water.


I normally wait until on the raid, letting the leader open it first.

*Note: it's always funny to see someone open a trapped chest without it being disarmed, especially when it's my buddy on his wizard

[Rumbaar]

That ticks me off too, why are you looting and not fuggin running water.QFT, that annoys me as I'm always running once I'm out and to see the loot indicator when they aren't all done.

But I smile to myself and shake my head when I hear "No-one open the chest xxxx has too because it's their 20th run or they have a loot bonus gem" or whatever ...

But in Shroud Part 1 I always wait until people get up the stairs, this is due to some people lagging out in that part and dc'ing. So if they are offline they'll miss out on loot.

[MrWizard]

I hate it...it makes no sense.

and the way it is so easy to disconnect or the many times I am booted from the world..much less the somewhat good chance of a server crash...

you never wait for a raid chest, lame to do so.

If I run a raid, I open it right away so we all can loot.

this mysterious waiting game is crazy.

I was with a group of really impressive players who were trying to do a certain raid as fast as possible...zoom...no wait at begining for anything...zooom.. they killed with gusto and speed..
it was a quick and fast raid...then the chest came out....and we sat....and sat....and waited....and finally they decided how to open it..

<facepalm>


I guess to some, doing a quest leisurely is abhorrent, but a raid chest is a special time for them to stop and smell the roses...maybe have a coffee or beer. Talk about old times.
Maybe invent a new way to open the chest...count to 3? count to 4? maybe count down from 3 to zero?


open the d#mn chest...


if you open it in such a group before they are ready....oh my god.

that same group, if you are a few seconds late getting in the quest, they would boot you.


<shakes head>



I have come to the realization that there are people in this world who have a kind of 'etiquette' mindset and certain things have to be done a certain way or it is rude and callous. And in this game, the end raid chest seems to have some need for this ritual for them.
They find it highly disgusting that a chest is to be opened unless certain parameters are not met (party surrounding, countdown, certain spells).
I find this also goes to regular chests too. 'how dare you loot that chest while our completely overpowering party is still fighting a half dead tripped kobald 5 feet away!!!'

the chest drops stuff for everyone on their own rolls as long as they are in the dungeon when opened.

"OMG, you opened a chest before I raised 'player x', how could you????"



I used to just go to the fridge or bathroom when the raid was completed to just not have to deal with such offensive behavior, but then I found many would not open until I came back, walked to the chest, and stood there with them....
I learned to never say brb or bio near the end chest as the whole group would wait...

I agree with the OP and am ranting myself...just open the d#mn chest and lets do something else before the server crashes....geebus

[Thechemicals]

I do not understand why, on a daily basis. You see groups of 12 people standing around a chest waiting to loot.

Nobody wants to be first? Nobody wants to be last?


What the hell is it? Gotta be a reason for it..

Is it rude to just loot and get it over with already? Standing around doesn't seem to make the loot any better..
Why the hell do people do this? Stand around and wait for SOMEONE to say 3, 2, 1....




On an unrelated chest note... How hilarious would it be for the devs to slip a large mimic in.
With a .00001% rate of showing up.

12 people standing around a chest.. (after quest officially completed) first one who actually loots it gets hit with 150 dmg. And the chest goes running away. Like the key in delirium. And you must chase it down and kill it to get your real chest. And its immune to fire, acid, poison, and blade barrier.

trap?
The chest on open says "using" but the chest already open gets you right to the loot. I thought everyone knew this.

[Wren666]

On An Unrelated Chest Note... How Hilarious Would It Be For The Devs To Slip A Large Mimic In.
With A .00001% Rate Of Showing Up.

12 People Standing Around A Chest.. (after Quest Officially Completed) First One Who Actually Loots It Gets Hit With 150 Dmg. And The Chest Goes Running Away. Like The Key In Delirium. And You Must Chase It Down And Kill It To Get Your Real Chest. And Its Immune To Fire, Acid, Poison, And Blade Barrier.......




+1

[MrWizard]

from the moment the raid ends, the end chest should hit a timer...as that timer progresses, the chest has a greater chance of turning into that mimic, level and difficulty appropriate, that must be killed to get chest.



in all deference though, it would work best if you gave everyone 100 xp points if opened within 5 seconds of quest ending, and quickly lowering as the seconds tick.

Many people will spend an hour extra in a quest for 1000 xp...they would freak out and open it right away for 100 xp.

[Dulcimerist]

At the end of a tough quest, I always enjoy staring at the unopened end chest for a few minutes while pinching my nipples; but that's just something weird that I shouldn't actually tell people about.

[Cordovan]

I always figured it was to give people's diplomacy time to cool down...


Some people take on the habit of letting someone else trigger the traps on chests, and it kind of sticks.


At some point in probably every DDOers gaming history, they've popped a chest and someone said something like "can we get everyone up before looting first?", or "You opened the chest without me there?" or something similar.

Actually, these might be it, in my opinion. Between traps and not wanting to deprive someone of loot, it seems like many people take a "better late than never" approach to chest-opening...

[fuzzy1guy]

Thread necro AND a turbine response! :o I'm shocked! Shocked!

So how bout those mimics?

I wanna see a giant chest kill someone! Even if its me... Maybe with an eating animation! :D

*nom nom nom*

[NecroKovy]

Wow, here I thought that I was one of very few who notice that this happens sometimes. In fact, I'm often 'guilty' of not jumping all over a chest first. Though, that's generally for one of these reasons:

1) If I have been helped through a quest as a first timer, or simply feel that perhaps the others did more than me to earn the loot, I sort of hang out until they get to it first. I don't know about, or have any thoughts as to how opening order could possibly affect what you pull from it. I get mine eventually, and sometimes there's a bit of conversation going on after a tough run/fight, so what's the big rush after putting in all that concentration? I'm too old to kill my hands/elbows/neck/etc.. and not get any cooldown, even if only for a few minutes.

2) If I am in a group with a female toon, it's simply a matter of 'ladies first'. Yes, yes, many men play female characters, of this I am acutely aware. It doesn't mean that my male Wiz can't hold the door for the lady. Ok, he's not really a woman...just like I'm not really a WIZARD. ;o)

3) A lesson I've learned that bears repeating as many times as necessary, "don't touch ANYTHING in a quest you're unfamiliar with unless told by the leader(s)/experienced players, or you see them do it." (No, I do not re-pull levers or re-spin cranks/puzzles, I may be cautious, but not devoid of deductive reasoning) In most cases, I know that the 'end' chests are safe and all, but you just never know. That Lair of Summoning chest with the mephit cage was a learning tool in my case, for sure.

In some cases, perhaps players are simply trying to be polite. In others, perhaps there's some sort of blame to be had if you run for the prize too hastily. For me, I suppose, it's a case of still not knowing enough to run around with any real swagger. One thing I do know, is that ettiquette is taken very seriously.

I still haven't seen what's in that darn Mephit Cage chest either, but that's ok. I've immolated myself enough over that one, plenty of loot elsewhere!

[Anarkius]

WAIT!!!! There are chests in this game to get loot from? I've been picking up crate and barrel leftovers for the past 4 years no wonder everyone seems to out gear me. :rolleyes:

[pMagic]

On an unrelated chest note... How hilarious would it be for the devs to slip a large mimic in.
With a .00001% rate of showing up.

12 people standing around a chest.. (after quest officially completed) first one who actually loots it gets hit with 150 dmg. And the chest goes running away. Like the key in delirium. And you must chase it down and kill it to get your real chest. And its immune to fire, acid, poison, and blade barrier.

Great idea!

[stoolcannon]

If you're able to Otto's Dance the highest level player (TR Past lives count) prior to having them open the chest while under the effects of a Jewel of Fortune then it raises the loot level of the chest by 3 and gives the chest a 9% chance to proc a crit loot drop.

[stoolcannon]

At the end of a tough quest, I always enjoy staring at the unopened end chest for a few minutes while pinching my nipples; but that's just something weird that I shouldn't actually tell people about.

ahahahaha

[xxScoobyDooxx]

This is why I don't solo ... i mean I get to a chest and I don't want to be first to open it ... usually fall asleep while waiting ..... :O

[newroticslob]

Ideas to help with chest opening dilemma:

1) Wait... what's the worst that can happen?

2) Start /roll d100 in chat before chest is opened or even before quest starts. You're usually waiting for the group to be filled. Then state, "Roll for opening the chest!(s)"

3) When you see everyone standing there, ask, "Who's the pivot man?", and hope it's not you.

4) Pray for patience, then... refer to idea #1.

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