Character Transfers.

[KoboldKiller]

So one minute I'm elated by the announcement of world character transfers and then you crush me by declaring transfers TO Orien are not available.



***!?


Yes I'm completely irritated by this.

I have been on Argo forever and have joined a guild of friends on Orien.

I don't know if I will EVER play on Argo anymore so all my time, effort, equipment and plat are now a complete waste and I have to continue to grind all those items back on Orien?


Sorry, DO NO LIKE.

EPIC FAIL IMHO.

And don't give me the "Orien and Cannith are too new" tripe. That argument doesn't hold water.

[blitzschlag]

So one minute I'm elated by the announcement of world character transfers and then you crush me by declaring transfers TO Orien are not available.



***!?


Yes I'm completely irritated by this.

I have been on Argo forever and have joined a guild of friends on Orien.

I don't know if I will EVER play on Argo anymore so all my time, effort, equipment and plat are now a complete waste and I have to continue to grind all those items back on Orien?


Sorry, DO NO LIKE.

EPIC FAIL IMHO.

And don't give me the "Orien and Cannith are too new" tripe. That argument doesn't hold water.

there has been a, viable in my opinion, explanation for this in the past. the point is still true. orien, beeing a rather new server, would get flooded with 2-4 year old chars with virtually millions of larges in their backpack ruining the server economy and established guild balance. all old-time players choose to play on orien because they wanted a fresh start.

[KoboldKiller]

Do you seriously think the economy is that great?

As for guild balance what's that?

Guild balance has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING.

None of these arguments hold water.

Orien has been around long enough that plenty of players are now plat CAPPED as was evident with a trade thread recently where players were willing to pay virtually ANY price for a bloodstone.

It's simply a way for Turbine to give a FALSE impression that Orien or Cannith are different from the other servers which is in fact wrong.

Oh you can still find some good deals but +1 elemental of pure good khopesh level 4 are being posted for 200+ k plat.

Yup the economy is really under control.

[AyumiAmakusa]

Do you seriously think the economy is that great?

As for guild balance what's that?

Guild balance has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING.

None of these arguments hold water.

Orien has been around long enough that plenty of players are now plat CAPPED as was evident with a trade thread recently where players were willing to pay virtually ANY price for a bloodstone.

It's simply a way for Turbine to give a FALSE impression that Orien or Cannith are different from the other servers which is in fact wrong.

Oh you can still find some good deals but +1 elemental of pure good khopesh level 4 are being posted for 200+ k plat.

Yup the economy is really under control.

Orien is ALREADY a rich server. They've been around long enough to be the same as the previous servers. It's time for them to allow character transfers to Orien. Heck, Orien has the highest level guild even and I dare say it just might be richer than the other servers.

[KoboldKiller]

Whatever, it won't matter to Turbine what I say because I'm a V.I.P so they don't make enough money off of me to care.

Regardless I find this ridiculous and biased.

Make it one rule, either allow transfers to ANY server or NOT AT ALL.

Oh and what's the reason Ghallanda is on the non transfer list?

[Drfirewater79]

there has been a, viable in my opinion, explanation for this in the past. the point is still true. orien, beeing a rather new server, would get flooded with 2-4 year old chars with virtually millions of larges in their backpack ruining the server economy and established guild balance. all old-time players choose to play on orien because they wanted a fresh start.

It made sense 9 months ago .... now orien has hundreds of lvl 20's ... thousands of players ... old and new and there economy is already starting to go the way of other servers ...

Same with cannith ...

while i understand the idea of keeping the server pure for a while and let it start up from scratch when they where launched ... it no longer has that functionality ...

I too feel like the OP

I wouldnt move all my characters over to orien ... but there is a guild there i would like to play with more often and would love to move two or three of my characters from sarlona to orien to play with them ... in stead i am stuck with a lvl 5 monk and i have no interest in starting all over again on a server i will not play on often enough to make a big deal about re grinding all my gear ...

I think they should open up the closed servers to character transfers now ... its been long enough for them to establish an economy and a player base ..

if people are sick of large lag due to size of server and want to change to a smaller server they should be allowed to at this point ...

plus it would be nice if turbine would put out a constantly updated list of which servers are more populated then other servers or what servers are closest to the cap of players per server (thus have the most server cues) this way people can intelligently decide where to move there characters ...


Orien and Cannith where a smart move keeping them seperate at launch to allow new players to have a haven to go to and learn the game ... but now its time to let the rest of the community in on the server space.

[KoboldKiller]

So as expected no explanation as to why the 3 severs are non-transfer servers.

[Visty]

considering the europe transfer on 20th august its possible that they open all servers for transfers at that date

[Lleren]

Stay off our still new servers =p

If they wanted to allow transfers to them eventually, they should of allowed transfers immediately.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

KK you have been around long enough to know people went TO orien and cannith specifically to have a fresh place to start without 4year old twinks and their bank accounts.

[Cripey]

KK you have been around long enough to know people went TO orien and cannith specifically to have a fresh place to start without 4year old twinks and their bank accounts.


Doesn't explain not being able to go to Ghallanda, that sucks.

[Sirea]

Doesn't explain not being able to go to Ghallanda, that sucks.




Oh and what's the reason Ghallanda is on the non transfer list?

I am curious about this as well :confused:

[Lleren]

Doesn't explain not being able to go to Ghallanda, that sucks.

Maybe that is the highest player density server of the regular servers.

[KoboldKiller]

KK you have been around long enough to know people went TO orien and cannith specifically to have a fresh place to start without 4year old twinks and their bank accounts.


I understood this at the beginning, however these servers have been around long enough to negate that particular reasoning.

Besides, as I mentioned some of us who went there no longer plan on returning to our old server thus negating everything we have on the other server.

My basic argument which should have been stated up front is if your going to allow a transfer to one you should allow it to all unless there is a population overload on that particular server.

The argument of preserving server integrity or economy is weak. These things do not exist.

[Missing_Minds]

Oh and what's the reason Ghallanda is on the non transfer list?

Size. Player load volume. Some servers are more actively populated than others. It could be that Orien and Cannith have the same issue at this stage. Being new they did have a mass joining of players leaving old servers behind, and when a new server is created, it is often suggested as being the server to start on.

On Lotro you can not transfer to Brandywine or... I forget the other one, but you can not transfer for this exact reason.

[darksol23]

there has been a, viable in my opinion, explanation for this in the past. the point is still true. orien, beeing a rather new server, would get flooded with 2-4 year old chars with virtually millions of larges in their backpack ruining the server economy and established guild balance. all old-time players choose to play on orien because they wanted a fresh start.

Just from another perspective... I'd love to transfer all my characters from Khyber to Cannith, even if it meant giving up all their gear and plat. I'd gladly loose all their gear to keep the characters xp. Playing with under-geared characters for a while is nothing compared to the months of grinding out xp. (For those that can get a toon to cap in only a couple days; more power too ya, but some of us have other commitments ;)) You can take my greensteal, but not my xp. I might be a "gimp" for a while, but at least I could play the end quests and raids instead of shadow crypt for the 5,000,000th time. Without items/plat I don't see how letting capped toons from other servers move would change too much. What's a couple hundred or thousand more level 20's when there are already hundreds or thousands on cannith and orien. (No idea how many 20's there are but replace "hundred or thousand" for whatever the number is)

XP is time, and time is money, so Turbine stands to make a good chunk of change from me if I could move toons to Cannith. But, yes, I know it will never happen. They'd make more money investing time into making a different color/shape hat to sell in the store. :rolleyes:

[mjrepro]

So one minute I'm elated by the announcement of world character transfers and then you crush me by declaring transfers TO Orien are not available.



***!?


Yes I'm completely irritated by this.

I have been on Argo forever and have joined a guild of friends on Orien.

I don't know if I will EVER play on Argo anymore so all my time, effort, equipment and plat are now a complete waste and I have to continue to grind all those items back on Orien?


Sorry, DO NO LIKE.

EPIC FAIL IMHO.

And don't give me the "Orien and Cannith are too new" tripe. That argument doesn't hold water.

I think five year olds have a better way of asking for something.
"Mom can I have a cookie?"
"No dear you cannot"
"F*** YOU MOM YOU SUCK SO MUCH I HATE YOU YOU FAIL!"

Instead of just complaining why not ask why? Would that not be more productive and maybe get your question answered?

I am sure there are reasons, and as others have pointed out, maybe it is server population that is doing it, because I know in other games you cannot transfer to a server already starting to burst at the seems. Another idea might be to thank them for the implementation of something new, and then ask. I know I liked being thanked and then asked a lot better than being yelled at and called Fail.

But Ask them, don't demand they change it first.

[SirShen]

considering the europe transfer on 20th august its possible that they open all servers for transfers at that date

If they are not letting transfers now to these 3 servers, iv got a bad feeling they will also not allow EU to transfer there as well. If so im gutted, i hope im so wrong beacuse im on Cannith.

[Drfirewater79]

Stay off our still new servers =p

If they wanted to allow transfers to them eventually, they should of allowed transfers immediately.

not so they didnt want people going onto a new server with a vorpal scimitar and blowing its value out to 200k plat ...

they needed to give people time to build wealth and to aquire there own goods before allowing people with tweek gear in ... this was done to make it easier for new players who have no gear at all to get into parties and learn the ropes ...

unfortunately many new players had friends who already played so they just started filling up sarlona agro and khyber ..

now its gotten to the point where some of the new players would like to take there characters to a server where there are more new players ... and some old vets are sick of some of the attitudes they are getting form other vets and some new players on there servers ....

now that orien and cannith are stable ... they have there own guilds .. they have there own black listed players ... they have there own economy ups and downs ...

opening the servers makes sense ...

Though i do agree with the earlier mention of opening them all to the public when euro transfers start to happen late august.

[Thechemicals]

I think five year olds have a better way of asking for something.
"Mom can I have a cookie?"
"No dear you cannot"
"F*** YOU MOM YOU SUCK SO MUCH I HATE YOU YOU FAIL!"

Instead of just complaining why not ask why? Would that not be more productive and maybe get your question answered?

I am sure there are reasons, and as others have pointed out, maybe it is server population that is doing it, because I know in other games you cannot transfer to a server already starting to burst at the seems. Another idea might be to thank them for the implementation of something new, and then ask. I know I liked being thanked and then asked a lot better than being yelled at and called Fail.

But Ask them, don't demand they change it first.

Yes i see this problem everyday i log on

[Visty]

If they are not letting transfers now to these 3 servers, iv got a bad feeling they will also not allow EU to transfer there as well. If so im gutted, i hope im so wrong beacuse im on Cannith.

OR

they are fumbling on the tech atm somehow and once the europe transfer will start it will be possible

but its all speculation ofc

[KoboldKiller]

I think five year olds have a better way of asking for something.
"Mom can I have a cookie?"
"No dear you cannot"
"F*** YOU MOM YOU SUCK SO MUCH I HATE YOU YOU FAIL!"

Instead of just complaining why not ask why? Would that not be more productive and maybe get your question answered?

I am sure there are reasons, and as others have pointed out, maybe it is server population that is doing it, because I know in other games you cannot transfer to a server already starting to burst at the seems. Another idea might be to thank them for the implementation of something new, and then ask. I know I liked being thanked and then asked a lot better than being yelled at and called Fail.

But Ask them, don't demand they change it first.


First off this is NOT something new it's something they brought back and left 3 servers OFF the list.

They did not allow transfers to the new servers at first which was understood. Then they shut down ALL transfers. Now they brought it back.

I'm sorry if you don;t like the way I put it but i could care less. I have played for 3+ years and feel I have put enough time in to COMPLAIN about something.

I am also aware of how turbine operates and ASKING them isn't going to change their policy.

In case you didn't notice most of their explanations for changes get referred back to the all powerful and mysterious "exit" surveys, such as why they made certain changes to the store recently.

If the populations are too high fine, then say that. Otherwise your just setting up a arbitrary set of rules for each server that suits whatever mood your in.

Oh and as for your admonishing me and trying to play Mommy. EPIC FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KoboldKiller]

Ok so here's my attempt to placate those who feel I am too harsh.


Turbine,

You recently opened up all but three servers to character transfers. While I understand you are not obligated to explain your reason for keeping those three servers closed any explanation would be appreciated. I have come to Orien for several reasons after spending my 3+ years in the game on Argo. I play with many people who have come from other servers and we have discussed the want to transfer characters over due to us no longer playing or wanting to play on the other servers. It would be appreciated if you would consider my request to open up these severs barring of course any population issues.

Sincerely,

KoboldKiller

[Sirea]

Well there was a general understanding that they kept Orien and Cannith closed to transfers to give new players a sort of haven, old players a clean slate, and to not have the economies inflated with people coming over packed with uber gear that they could sell at auction for inflated prices.

Still doesn't explain why Ghallanda is closed. I always was under the impression it was one of the smaller servers, since people are always boasting about Khyber, Argo, and Thelanis being the servers with the highest populations.

[Drfirewater79]

Well there was a general understanding that they kept Orien and Cannith closed to transfers to give new players a sort of haven, old players a clean slate, and to not have the economies inflated with people coming over packed with uber gear that they could sell at auction for inflated prices.

Still doesn't explain why Ghallanda is closed. I always was under the impression it was one of the smaller servers, since people are always boasting about Khyber, Argo, and Thelanis being the servers with the highest populations.

yeah origionally orien and cannith where closed for these reasons ... but now there populations are filled with the same drivel and crazy economic retardedness as all the other servers ..

no real reason to keep them closed ...

in fact i would even suggest that they open two new servers make them closed to transfer servers and then open up orien and cannith ...

people who dont care about there gear and want a clean start or like the challenge of starting all over again can do so and people who want to party with there new found friends and want to make another server there home server can do so ...

makes everyone happy.

[Lleren]

yeah origionally orien and cannith where closed for these reasons ... but now there populations are filled with the same drivel and crazy economic retardedness as all the other servers ..

no real reason to keep them closed ...

in fact i would even suggest that they open two new servers make them closed to transfer servers and then open up orien and cannith ...

people who dont care about there gear and want a clean start or like the challenge of starting all over again can do so and people who want to party with there new found friends and want to make another server there home server can do so ...

makes everyone happy.

I would reverse that suggestion entirely, open up two new servers with transfers allowed...and Never allow transfers to Orien and Cannith.