Fighter life next: 16/3/1 Fighter/Monk/Cleric

[Varr]

Edited to show final build now that I'm 20 (purposely took extra time to flush him out and knock out 21 shrouds.)
Ended up:

Halfling, Lawful good 12/7/1 Kensei Fighter/light monk/cleric

36 pt stat line
14 str 16 dex 14 con 12 int 15 wis 10 cha
1 level up in wis, 3 in dex end up at
22 str 30 dex 22 con 14int 28 wis 18 cha At 20 in wind stance

Saves with crane 2 taken are fort: 35 ref: 36 will: 37
Hp 466

Feats 1: Stunning fist, least mark 2: two weapon fighting 3: maximize 4: path of light 5: CE 6: lesser mark, weapon focus blunt 8: weapon specialization blunt 9: greater healing mark 10: improved two weapon fighting 12: empower healing, improved weapon focus blunt 14: greater two weapon fighting 15: ranger past life feat 16: improved weapon specialization blunt 18 ic blunt, 19 dodge


Ac: 10 base +10 dex + 9 wis +6 dt robes +5 ranger bark +5 protect +5 ce +4 insight dt robe +4 shield wand +2 monk bonus +1 size +1 ac rit +1 dodge = 63

I've got all the frosty greater bane wraps for modest dps with my modest str (which I think at 12 fighter gets a healthy +8 temp boost, need to read more into kensei.) Have as primary offense level ten vorp kamas, and iceburst +10 stunner wraps. Dc 34 for stunning

Healing marks are 60/190/480 per for healing unless they crit. Cure light and monk finisher are both in the low 30's but I rarely use unless in a bleeding party.

Not thrilled with ac for intimidator, will see how damage intake is between 6 stone skin clickies from shroud and fists of light with emp healing max.

Expect modest dps with ago control and strong self suffincy. No intimidate and shield block....intimidate and punch in face.

Any feel about this build?

[Goldeneye]

Interesting. Very unique.
There probly isn't anything I can say that you don't already know.

What's the reason for fighter 16? +1 damage from AP?
I'd be tempted to go 12 fighter / 7 monk / 1 cleric
(or 1 rogue... since 1 cleric seems silly)

[jeremyt]

Whats the cleric level for?

did you quantify the gains from fighter levels 13 to 16 vs taking those extra levels as monk? gainign second tier stances/strikes/wholeness of body/run speed/AC boost/ki capacity seems to outweigh 4 extra fighter levels that give..nothing?

12 fighter 7 monk 1 rogue is more tried n true. the UMD, SA and skills boost from rogue really go a long way

[MrCow]

Whats the cleric level for?

Metamagic usage for the Dragonmarks (Maximize and Empower Healing), and probably did a level of Cleric over a level of Wizard for Cleric Life Magic I instead of a bonus feat.

[theb]

If it's just to TR I have to think the shield spell makes it worth going wizard, since you can't UMD wands with UMD as a non class skill until later. The feat is nice too.

[LunaCee]

The level in a class able to cast divine spells is to pick up Empower Healing. A wizard level would get a bonus meta-magic feat... but wouldn't qualify for Empower Healing because arcane casters simply don't cast positive energy healing spells naturally. If my pure classed halfling wizard was able to take Empower Healing... she'd have it.

Empower Healing requires one of the following:
1 level of bard, cleric, or favored soul
4 levels of ranger or paladin

As for you choice of Stunning Fist, I hope you do realize it will be a weaker DC compared to other more specialized melee focusing on stuns.
DC of 10 (base) +1 (monk level / 2, rounded down) +10 (wraps) +2 (Kensei) +3 (Fighter Tactics) +7 (Wisdom Bonus) = 33

Enough for stunning non-epic casters fairly reliably. As for other high level mobs, not so much. And actually isn't that the same DC on the base stun chance of a +10 stunning wraps now?

Also that last comment about Fists of Light and Emp Heal + Max, just a little reminder that meta-magic do not apply to the cure light mass finisher. Ardor does apply however, so just keep a couple Superior Ardor VI clickies around for a little extra oomph on the finisher and your marks. Though the meta-magic will work wonderfully with your Jorasco dragonmarks.

[Emili]

Looks like a fun build to me Var ...


/nod of approval

[QuantumFX]

As someone who completed his “dreaded barb past life” last week…

Do it now before the devs “fix” guild store potions.

[Varr]

Few things.

Class breakdown. here wi what was set in my mind..........12 fighter for qulify for past liefe feat fighter on completionist and dabble in Kensei. 3 Monk for fists of light and ac and punchabilty. 1 Cleric for meta magic availablity of Maximuize for all dragon marks and Empower Healing that also works on all marks unlike Empower. 400-500 mana for jacked up cure light woonds self cast in everfull mana pool. It also provides tier 1 life magic for 10% more healing as does monk provide 10% more benifit from healing.

Past those 16 levels, dont much care. 20th is insta tr, so really debate is how to spend the last 3 levels. Pick up a figher feat at 18 and hopefully something useful in enhancements was my thought. Didnt see a huge gain in runnig jsut level 19 with 6 levels of monk, but suppose +2 more dc on stunning fist might be usefull to consider. More cleric makes no sense to me.

Shield wands, cost is np and with +6 shorud cha items and decent cha wil ahve 27 umd at level 17. I can get 10 min shield cast with a roll of 13 vs umd 40. Guessing for level 5 wands at level 11 + and no shield spell before then for ac.

Apreicate the heads up on meta magics and finisher, was expecting them to affect but not crucial. Occational pots of Addor before 18 then the 6 clickies on Shaverath belts i have should keep me prety well potent on self healing with Marks and light finishers I think.

Epic interaction is off the table, i will be level 20 for 4 minutes.

I'v enver used potions or even dragon shard turn ins for exp........not good or bad, just havent. In no rush for completionist really, wandering towards it. I am a bit nervious that once compleate, winning the game finishes breaking it for me. Happy to enjoy the trip.

Lastly Hi Em...............I regret occationally not taking this trip on Khyber and miss you and the crew.

[theb]

If I were you I'd run the numbers for heal/healing ki plus Maximized, empowered CSW/CLW versus 10% devotion healing ki plus empower healed,10% devotion heal/CSW/CLW.

[Varr]

If I were you I'd run the numbers for heal/healing ki plus Maximized, empowered CSW/CLW versus 10% devotion healing ki plus empower healed,10% devotion heal/CSW/CLW.

For oh boy moments I have only one real big dog fall back.........the 5 Heal dragon marks that will pop for around 450 per, but only with Empowered Healing. I've run a number of halfling casters with them with and they pop for about 270 ish without it. With some mild healing am, 10% on the clerci life magic, and empowered healing, they will just about top me off from 0 5 times. Or one of my running mates. I expect the other marks and fist of light and tasty toppers from clws to rarly let me get in oh boy trouble, but when I do, I like the top end I'm Expecting.

[LunaCee]

On the flipside that cleric level also nets him use a few extras.

Eternal Cure Minor Wounds wand from Catacombs, Roderic's Wand from the Phiarlin Carnival (That UMD 39 is rather evil for such a low level item), and a few other items into the bargain.

As for what 6 levels of monk can grant... Monk Wisdom II, 2nd tier elemental stances, Fists of Iron, 2nd tier of animal path... So potentially +3 on stunning fist DC and a special attack that can occasionally result in a x3 critical among other things.

[Thrudh]

For oh boy moments I have only one real big dog fall back.........the 5 Heal dragon marks that will pop for around 450 per, but only with Empowered Healing. I've run a number of halfling casters with them with and they pop for about 270 ish without it. With some mild healing am, 10% on the clerci life magic, and empowered healing, they will just about top me off from 0 5 times. Or one of my running mates. I expect the other marks and fist of light and tasty toppers from clws to rarly let me get in oh boy trouble, but when I do, I like the top end I'm Expecting.

A maximized empowered healing dragonmark is pretty sweet...

My guy who has them can usually be the cleric in most quests... With a decent group, there's usually only a need for 1-3 occasional "oh ****" moment heals.

I'd probably suggest bard instead of cleric so you can pick up full ranks in UMD.

[defen]

I'd probably suggest bard instead of cleric so you can pick up full ranks in UMD.

That kinda kills the possibility of taking monk levels.

[maddmatt70]

Why not 12 fighter 7 monk 1 rogue or something similiar? Those last 4 levels of fighter are garbage fyi.

[Thrudh]

That kinda kills the possibility of taking monk levels.

Whoops! Good point...

[Varr]

Why not 12 fighter 7 monk 1 rogue or something similiar? Those last 4 levels of fighter are garbage fyi.


Not sure you are getting premise my friend. 12 fighter 3 monk 1 cleric are locked in due to stated advantages for this particular build.

Additionally I think for levels 1-19 my build is a far more durable and potent build as far as capabilities. The 12/7/1 would be a superior level 20 toon......which is valueless to me.

[Varr]

Pretty much more fighter and bonus feat at 18 or more monk and bonus feat at 19......with stunning fist moving from 33-35/36. Little more attack speed.

I believe ya that there are no worthwhile enhancements for fight level 13-15. Will take a quick peak to verify....the hp diff is negligible.

Anyone pro fighter for levels 17-19, or all pro monk?

[LunaCee]

Definitely monk here. Better saves, the additional stunning fist DC, 2nd tier stances (and thus better more damaging ki strikes), etc. More advantages to the monk levels.

[Varr]

Referance bump..............darn feats

[Dragavon]

i will be level 20 for 4 minutes.


Inventive and original build with lots of possibilities to be good. /me like.

I just think it is a waste to "kill" it like that after so much effort :eek:

[Visty]

Empower Healing requires one of the following:
1 level of bard, cleric, or favored soul
8 levels of ranger
4 levels of paladin

fixed for you
ranger dont get healing spells till lvl8

[Varr]

Level 14 update.

I was persuaded to aim for 12/1/7 kensei/cleric/light monk. 10/1/3 ATM. Went ahead and gobbled 6+2 tomes for fun.

Stats I run in are 24 30 20 14 24 18

Stunning is still reliable and with bloodstone a quick kill. I don't cycle healing curse really. Dms are more than enough for me and party touch ups. Ki bar is normally foolish and cycle stuns every 6 sec.

40 intimidate is pretty flawless ATM, 50ish next level with +15 ring.

Beholder ac is 48 now with legible bracers instead of chaos guards. It holds so far and I rarely mess with the 5 more I could get using bs pots and (invaders ring ATM) and shield wands.

So happy at 14, very nervious that ac, stunning blow/dps are going to be wanting at 17 though. Might be forced into vorp nonintimidator. I'll post update. As to healing and saves, I'm very happy as is.....22ish for each save with gird and +5 resist available at 16. Healing for 50 100 350 per mark non crit non potency item (9,7,5 marks.)

300 hp ATM, had to sacrifice toughness in a feat miscalculation toorigional build. Runs fast, punches fast, kills stunned fast......dps on unstunned is pathetic though. Very nervous about this toon once the stunning stops being reliable.

Gear set at 14 is the best I've ever had for a particular level for a toon. Pleased overall.

[EKKM]

Beholder ac is 48 now with legible bracers instead of chaos guards. It holds so far and I rarely mess with the 5 more I could get using bs pots and (invaders ring ATM) and shield wands.
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What are the legible bracers? (edit - leviks?)

[Hokonoso]

if just to make leveling easier and not planning to actually play at 20 go 9 dark monk 11 fighter in that order and you will level the fastest. lvl 9 you get touch of death, then the last 11 lvls fighter so it counts as fighter when you TR again.

unfortunately you can do this for barbarian, best to just go 20 barbarian and get it done, my Tr barbarian was very easy to level with gear as i could solo elite quests by 1 shotting everything just about and going WF so i couldnt get held as that is the #1 killer of barbarians.

or if you just want a diff flavor but super fast leveler you could try 9 sorc 11 x (x being the class you want to tr to) and firewall your way to 20, def prob the fastest way to solo and sorc can multiclass with ALL other classes so this could be very efficient for strict leveling.

but id def go 9monk for ToD and lvl the rest fighter for your current build.

[Rav'n]

Putting off dreaded Barb life again, hoping to wait for diff barb pre.



Just an fyi on how I plan on tackling the BarB life.... 2 Rogue (Skills, Evasion), 8 Bard (Blurr/Displace/Haste and ...heck, I LOVE my Bard) and 10 Barbarian. The Barbarian is purely for the past life, will never see 10 Barbarian as that's level 20... and I'll be TR'd again right away.

Basically, he'll be a self Buffing Melee.

[Varr]

Final bump, updated original post with final result. Forgot to post 58 umd-4 for being tiny.....good in agro management, but not reliable for hound or hard difficulties general bosses.

[LunaCee]

I'm thinking you mean intimidate there right? ? :)

Anyways, did you feel you got enough out of the additional monk levels that were suggested?

[Varr]

Lol, yea intimidate was intended. Every level past 3 monk had me thinking if cleric or fighter would be better. Convinced monk over fighter......but the gains were minor.....1 free level 6 monk feat (dodge), one more ac for instance monk, unused meditative healing, +2 stunning fist dc, +1 more wisdom to even up that stat....

Actually: +2 ac, +3 stunning dc increase, +1 will save (meh), fists from 1-6 to 1-8.....
The community was right, trading in fighter levels 13-16 for monk 4-7 was a good idea.