Whats your top 10 before you give advice, advice?

[irivan]

There are far to many of you newb players out there at the moment developing advice on the forums that are basing your advice on your experience from levels 8 to 10 (notice i left the hyphen out to be consistent with Turbines new convention).

here is a list to go by before you give some one else advice.

1. You must have played at least, and minimally 4 different characters types to level 20 and completed every Raid.

2. There are really 4 types of Characters you must have played to 20 to give advice they are. A. Melee B. Healer C. Caster D. Support. Once you can understand what each of these roles do, you will be starting to get there.

3. If you think you do the most DPS on the server you exist on and you are wielding the Epic Antique great Axe, #1 you need to stop and re-roll right now, #2 you dont do the most DPS on the server, and lastly if you haven't even completed all of the raids multiple times and are fully geared out and truly twitch experienced then there is no way on earth you should be giving any one else advice.

4. You must not have run up the stairs to the Shadow battle TOD before defeating the judge and the jailer, if you have done this you cannot give any advice to anyone else.

5. If you attempted to Tank the Elder Black Dragon on Elite in Mired in Kobolds and you only had 280 hit points and a 20 AC, you first need to delete that character and probably your account. But you certainly should not be giving any advice.

6. If you posted a group for Epic Dragon, and then when we got to the end of part 5 you say to me, wow, i have never done this and you really look like you know what you are doing, will you lead part 6, you should not be giving anyone any advice.

7. if you think you can run Epics just because you have reached level 20 you need to re-evaluate, but you certainly should not be giving any advice.

8. if you think Con can, in any way be a dump stat, if you think Paladin spell points matter, if you think Ranger spell points matter, if you took 2 levels of wizard to get Arcane archer, if you think your wisdom on your fighter needs to be a 14 or especially anything over 8, if you think your monk can haggle, if you are looking for a bard as a primary healer in any of the major raids, then you should not be giving out any advice.

9. if you see my caster running ahead and tell me wait, we'll wipe if you do that. Then not only do you not understand the power and complexity of a caster, but you should not be giving out any advice.

10. If you spend the entire pre quest time, during quest time, all time, talking about how great you are, this is the PREDOMINANT SIGN THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. And definitely should not be giving any advice.

What is your top 10?

[AyumiAmakusa]

Come again, what?

[FlyingTurtle]

"If you're not uber 1337 like me, shut up."

[jwdaniels]

If you feel the need to compile a list of 10 absolute garbage qualifications required to give advice, you should not give advice.

[Hokonoso]

wow i seriously agree with everything you posted, and that is odd since it is very rude and offputting :)

+1 for being right, now please give me some advice :)

[Sithias]

Wow....so those of us are aren't Ub3R L33T aren't worthy to give advice?

I believe I can give advice when I am fairly certain I know I what I am talking about. 25 years of table top....yea I think I can give my 2 cents every now and then....thanks

[Rav'n]

If you feel the need to compile a list of 10 absolute garbage qualifications required to give advice, you should not give advice.

I started thinking this at #3 (yes I know... I should have started at #1.... but I thought he might have something to say. :D)

[irivan]

11. if you have a forum join date of 2010, you should not be giving any advice.

12. if you are angry right now about my post, and sarcastically accused me of being an uber elitist, you should not be giving any advice.

[Sithias]

Who said anything about being angry? LoL I was actually finding it quite....entertaining.

[Hokonoso]

11. if you have a forum join date of 2010, you should not be giving any advice.

12. if you are angry right now about my post, and sarcastically accused me of being an uber elitist, you should not be giving any advice.

lol i agree again, if this posts hurts your feelings then reread it cause it is directed at YOU.

if you wanna upset someone, tell lies about them...

if you wanna really ruin someones day, tell the truth about them...

you Irivan get it, that is all.

[FlyingTurtle]

Who said anything about being angry? LoL I was actually finding it quite....entertaining.

Shut up, foo! No advice for you!

[Akrilus]

1. Do not use the forums to talk out of the side of your neck.

2.-8. Rinse and repeat!

9. READ Irivan's post 2 or 3 times (4 if you really ARE that stuck on stupid) he hit the nail squarely on the head. (tho i think 9 is kinda just him/her bragging slightly)

10. Learn to play before you play. (1 word: COMPENDIUM! hint: click on the lil box at the top of this screen so rightously named so. It will work wonders for your game)

[Sithias]

Shut up, foo! No advice for you!

FINE! I'm going back to the Con-dumpstat Paladin thread~! :P :P

[phalaeo]

Lame.

-1 for just being all-out derogatory.

[ragwa1]

13. If you spell atmosphere, atmusphere, 1. you should not be asking questions 2. You should not be giving any advice.

Lol, you're so far gone it's not even funny, bro.

Go get a laid. That's an order.

EDIT: BTW, maybe you should do a little research on what qualifies as a question.

Oh wait... I forgot. Ego-wall.

[ThePage311]

14. If you cannot be constructive, concise, and polite you should not give advice.

[BlackSteel]

capping four different characters is a bit much, hitting 20 in one class, and playing end game should give enough expereince to give advice in that particular role.


personally what irritates me is seeing people trolling and giving advice (good or bad) that have a very recent join date AND were very active in creating HELP threads in new player advice within the past month or two.

or seeing a person asking how to do something in game, having only seen them post a few weeks ago trolling/complaining that it was nerfed.

[irivan]

Lame.

-1 for just being all-out derogatory.

15. if you think reputation has any bearing in reality in the forums, you should not be giving out any advice.

[t0r012]

do you really need all of that to be qualified to tell some one a 6 Con Elf Short Sword and Board Barbarian is a bad idea?

[irivan]

Lol, you're so far gone it's not even funny, bro.

Go get a laid. That's an order.

EDIT: BTW, maybe you should do a little research on what qualifies as a question.

Oh wait... I forgot. Ego-wall.

16. Rhetorical questions are still questions, you should not be giving any advice.

[AyumiAmakusa]

Shouldn't the 1 and 2 actually be a. and b.? And the "y" in the first "you" should be capitalized. Also, there's shouldn't be a comma after "atmusphere", it should be a colon. :)


Might look something like this: 13. If you spell atmosphere, atmusphere: a. You should not be asking questions, and b. You should not be giving any advice.



Sorry....English Grammar police :P


I'm trying to make this FUN! :P

Correcting someone's grammar in the forums is against the Forum Guidelines. I'd copy and paste it but I'm lazy. Lol.

[irivan]

do you really need all of that to be qualified to tell some one a 6 Con Elf Short Sword and Board Barbarian is a bad idea?

17. If you are parroting advice, although good advice, thats a good start. But you still dont qualify and should not be giving any advice, just watch the disaster and learn.

[Sithias]

Correcting someone's grammar in the forums is against the Forum Guidelines. I'd copy and paste it but I'm lazy. Lol.

LMAO Ayumi! I'm having a blast on the forums today! Most fun that I've had in a while :)

[SINIBYTE]

2. There are really 4 types of Characters you must have played to 20 to give advice they are. A. Melee B. Healer C. Caster D. Support. Once you can understand what each of these roles do, you will be starting to get there.

I have a WF Sorc... that covers A, B, C, & D.

[t0r012]

17. If you are parroting advice, although good advice, thats a good start. But you still dont qualify and should not be giving any advice, just watch the disaster and learn.

Umm what is there to "learn" from watching that disaster? If giving the advice wouldn;t you "know" its a bad idea already? There is no learning if you have already "figured it out" so to speak.
Hence by your statement it wouldn't be parroted and thus qualified.


how about it doesn't take 37,000 raids to have a brain enough to read and figure stuff out on your own?

[irivan]

I have a WF Sorc... that covers A, B, C, & D.

18. This man gets it, and might be qualified to give advice.

[MilkmanDan]

If advice was worth anything, we wouldn't give it away.

[Fomori]

At first I thought this was serious then my sarcasm detector kicked in, in which case I got a really good laugh out of this post. :)

You did try and make it sound real though with a few good pointers interspersed within the rest of the drivel.

[systemstate]

My rules for most any forum:

#1 If someone with good intentions posts bad advice on the forums and you can not bring yourself to explain why they are wrong in order to help them/others better understand the game without coming across as a total elitist jerk, you should not be giving advice.

#2 I don't care if you were one of DDO's original authors turned freakishly overdedicated player. This is not your community. It's our community. If you can't play nice with others, GTFO and go post on 4chan with the other socially dysfunctional wierdos.

#3 You're allowed occasional forum slips- we're human. People sometimes make idiot comments and we get carried away with our responses. However comma- if you continually do this, you should not be giving advice.

#4 (Supercedes 1 to 3) Some people are just twits. They continually and knowingly give bad advice. Do with them what you will- within the rules of course.

[AyumiAmakusa]

LMAO Ayumi! I'm having a blast on the forums today! Most fun that I've had in a while :)

Well this is the exact quote:

1. While participating on the Community Sites, you must respect the rights of others to participate in the community. To this end you may not harass, defraud, threaten or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other members or Turbine staff. This includes, but is not limited to:

Name-calling or other insults
Posting or commenting with the intent of provoking ("trolling") another user or users
Flaming another user for their spelling or grammar
Bringing disagreements with someone into unrelated threads or blog posts/comments
Creating a thread, post, or comment on any of the Community Sites that calls out another player(s) for their actions in the game from http://www.ddo.com/community/1059-ddo-community-guidelines

Since you weren't 'technically' flaming. I guess they'll let it slide by. One more grammar correction, however, and you'll be slapped with a hefty fine!! It's a serious offence!!

[irivan]

Well this is the exact quote:

1. While participating on the Community Sites, you must respect the rights of others to participate in the community. To this end you may not harass, defraud, threaten or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other members or Turbine staff. This includes, but is not limited to:

Name-calling or other insults
Posting or commenting with the intent of provoking ("trolling") another user or users
Flaming another user for their spelling or grammar
Bringing disagreements with someone into unrelated threads or blog posts/comments
Creating a thread, post, or comment on any of the Community Sites that calls out another player(s) for their actions in the game from http://www.ddo.com/community/1059-ddo-community-guidelines

Since you weren't 'technically' flaming. I guess they'll let it slide by. One more grammar correction, however, and you'll be slapped with a hefty fine!! It's a serious offence!!

19. if you are derailing my post with rules drivel, or fighting an inner forum post battle, go some where else, and you certainly should not be giving any advice.

[AyumiAmakusa]

19. if you are derailing my post with rules drivel, or fighting an inner forum post battle, go some where else, and you certainly should not be giving any advice.

Indeed. I try not to give advice but unfortunately the 'noob' side of me resurfaces every now and then like a disease.

[The-Last-Wolf]

20. If your Ego and sense of entitlement to give advice outweighs your actual willingness and ability to give it

[Missing_Minds]

21. If you feel the need/or do troll your own thread, you should not be giving advice.

[LordLotate]

Entertaining i say +1

[Pwesiela]

Was gonna offer #22, but, well, after reading all the posts following the OP, I guess it's not really worth it to give adivce to the OP since he doesn't really want it. :eek:

[zorander6]

So let me make sure my poor weak noob mind understands this thread, if you aren't the OP you can't give advice.....




Well darn it, I thought many people here had given good advice, guess I'll just have to go find another game. <sarcasm off>

[Tholar]

21. You must kiss the OP's arse, not once, not twice, but 4 times in order to give advice.

Procedure:

1: Pucker lips by slightly extending them outwards, and making a round shape with them.
2: Place the firmly on the left buttock of the OP. (right can be utilized for flair, or just to break up the monotony).
3: Create a "smack" sound by lightly creating a vacuum with your checks, and letting a small amount of air past the seal.
4: Repeat 3 more times.

[AyumiAmakusa]

Was gonna offer #22, but, well, after reading all the posts following the OP, I guess it's not really worth it to give adivce to the OP since he doesn't really want it. :eek:

22. If you advise yourself not to give advice because of advice from others, you certainly should not be giving advice. :)

[Pwesiela]

22. If you advise yourself not to give advice because of advice from others, you certainly should not be giving advice. :)

Does this mean that I follow my own advice, or that the OP should follow this advice? :p

[Zzevel]

Lame.

-1 for just being all-out derogatory.

It these type of posts that should allow anyone to post - rep... these and the "Hi Welcome" ****....

[systemstate]

Does this mean that I follow my own advice, or that the OP should follow this advice? :p

Oh god... now we need advice on advice giving rule hierarchy. Who here is qualified to give that advice?

[AyumiAmakusa]

Does this mean that I follow my own advice, or that the OP should follow this advice? :p

Yes. :)

[AyumiAmakusa]

Oh god... now we need advice on advice giving rule hierarchy. Who here is qualified to give that advice?

Frenzy.

[LightSteel]

Oh god... now we need advice on advice giving rule hierarchy. Who here is qualified to give that advice?

I think the person I read on another post that got the completionist feat would be the only one qualified. BTW Great Post.

If you grease yourself off the bridge in Dragon Raid ( and you know who you are ) you should not be giving advice.

[chrichton]

So let me make sure my poor weak noob mind understands this thread, if you aren't the OP you can't give advice.....
. . .
dingdingdingding we have a winnah! . . . and a whole bunch of troll fodder . . .

[YakoSpiritFist]

If your life revolves around this game, you should not give any advice and turn off your computer. Still feel elite?

[Pwesiela]

Oh god... now we need advice on advice giving rule hierarchy. Who here is qualified to give that advice?

/arm raise high and frantically waving!!

Oooh ooh! Pick me! Pick me!

[Drfirewater79]

7. if you think you can run Epics just because you have reached level 20 you need to re-evaluate, but you certainly should not be giving any advice.

8. if you think Con can, in any way be a dump stat, if you think Paladin spell points matter, if you think Ranger spell points matter, if you took 2 levels of wizard to get Arcane archer, if you think your wisdom on your fighter needs to be a 14 or especially anything over 8, if you think your monk can haggle, if you are looking for a bard as a primary healer in any of the major raids, then you should not be giving out any advice.

9. if you see my caster running ahead and tell me wait, we'll wipe if you do that. Then not only do you not understand the power and complexity of a caster, but you should not be giving out any advice.

10. If you spend the entire pre quest time, during quest time, all time, talking about how great you are, this is the PREDOMINANT SIGN THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. And definitely should not be giving any advice.

What is your top 10?

I agree with most of what you had to say especially the first few ...

way to many people who have no clue but think they understand this games ins and outs and character design and benifits ...

but there are some that i disagree with you on completely

i dont know many good healing bards ... but i do know 2 great uber healing bards ...

and they where totally able to heal through any raids at level ... and even solo heal epics when we are being way too reckless ...

the two i am refering too are sarlona folk fendur and darqness

now i am not saying they could solo heal a shroud or TOD ... but if either of them said they could ... i wouldnt doubt them at all ...

AND

[Lissyl]

I'll make you a deal. When you convince all the Founders to start using the /a channel to help people out, to stop saying stupid **** like 'If youre going to play a caster, anything but a WF is a waste', saying things in the forums like 'Well if I dont like that question, Ill just add them to my DNG list', and so on, then I'll stop giving advice in the few areas I can. Until then, I'll continue doing my ~best~ to give quality advice ~when~ I can, on the things I DO know, and you'll not complain about nor tell me I'm unqualified.

It's really no different than the RL we had in TS last night, going on about how he's done this over 150 times on his 255 capped toons with no problems, always on elite, soloes it for giggles, and so forth. A tried and true vet, you could tell he'd done it many, many times. A really good guy, too, I liked him. But yes, he had done it quite a bit.

Three years ago. When some (idiot) melee went down into the beholder hole with a rogue and they both died (despite us casters doing our typical 'firewall the beholder' routine), he was convinced for a while that the run was ruined, they had to recall out and run all the way back around because he had no idea there was actually a ~ladder~ there. How many RL's know about that spot in TS where you FW the door on both sides and drop one in the center of the hallway? All of them. How many realize that that means, by definition, that all aggro will go on the caster and melee should endeavor to pick them up? Haven't found one yet. I think I'm MORE than qualified to give some advice on that little area, level 10, 11, 12, or 20.

[FlyingTurtle]

Please help a noob I want to make a character that is awsum at giving advice what feats and enhancement are best and most uber kthxbye

[Pwesiela]

Please help a noob I want to make a character that is awsum at giving advice what feats and enhancement are best and most uber kthxbye

Before giving advice, you must sucessfully build a halfling barbarian/paladin shirikan throwing UMD speciallist and level to 20. Then, and only then, can you say that you've built a build qualifying you to give advice.

[AyumiAmakusa]

Please help a noob I want to make a character that is awsum at giving advice what feats and enhancement are best and most uber kthxbye

For feats take ph@t lewt, elitist pig and awsumsauce. For enhancements take Advice Prodigy I, II and III. III is optional because the AP required is quite a lot so you might want to make up for that by wearing a +15 Helm of Good Advice and increase your 'Advice' skills.

[markusthelion]

So let me make sure my poor weak noob mind understands this thread, if you aren't the OP you can't give advice...>

Yes, we all need to delete our accts and think about our lives. We need to seek out the divine guidance of a higher being to understand why we aren't all bestowed the right to give advice.

[shablala]

18. This man gets it, and might be qualified to give advice.

Anyone who considers someone with an Easymode Race/Class combo as qualified to give advice, shouldn't be giving any advice.

[Drfirewater79]

bunch oh stuff that was a good read ....

What is your top 10?

I agree with most of what you had to say especially the first few ...

way to many people who have no clue but think they understand this games ins and outs and character design and benifits ...

but there are some that i disagree with you on completely

i dont know many good healing bards ... but i do know 2 great uber healing bards ...

and they where totally able to heal through any raids at level ... and even solo heal epics when we are being way too reckless ...

the two i am refering too are sarlona folk fendur and darqness

now i am not saying they could solo heal a shroud or TOD ... but if either of them said they could ... i wouldnt doubt them at all ...

AND

Con is a dump stat ...

you dumb everything you can into and prey you have enough points left over to actually be useful ....

AND

Epics are easy .... I wont say that just being lvl 20 gives you enough experience to lead one ... but i have done some epics with some pretty brain dead noobs and still made it through alive and in decent time (while not good time either) ... its all about how well people listen to the few people who do know what they are talking about.

AND

Having been around ... not everyone who is excited about how good there character is .... is wrong about how good there character is ...

when i do something that for my class seemed impossible ... yeah i want to share that with my friends ...

after seeing me do some of the stuff i do on my monk i have had both friends and pugs i ran with ask me advice ...

I will be the first to say i dont like giving out advice .... but i can tell anyone how i did what i did .... people want to know how i heal myself so easily with a dark monk ... i show em how i get my umd up to 35 .... when people want to know how i solo sins on hard ... i two man it with them and show them ...

one of my pet peves is people who say they can do something then when you ask them to show you they say NO ... well then how the hell can i trust that you can do it ?

my top 5 reasons to listen to someones advice ...

1# They have been around for a long time without taking a 3 year break in a game that has been only around for 4 years

2# They have more experience running said quest or building said character type then I do and can intelligently explain reasons for choices that i would generally not make ...

3# They are a member of a respected guild on there server or has given me good advice before on forums ... (yes there are people i hate talking to on forums ... but have given advice that I took to heart .. .even if hard to swallow ... yes Impaqt that includes you)

4# They can back there mouth up in game ... nothing bothers me more then someone who can solo amrath on elite but cannot do it with one other person in the mission let alone a party of 6.

5# (This is the one you said that i agreed the most with) They absolutely must have more the 4 lvl 20 characters ... and at least 2 of them have to be capable of doing more then going invisible and casting firewalls in epic dungeons ... Its one thing to exploit bad programing and rack up a ton of scrolls ... its another thing to do it ligit.



also will add this too
I hate it when people say they can solo a mission but then cannot do it in a party.

I can solo sins on normal and hard .. and i can do it with 5 soul stones in my pack ... on a dark monk ...

hard to prove something if you cannot actually do it when put to the test :P

[davidcampa]

I find it easier not to give advice, peeps need to figure it out on their own.

find ideas on the forums and give it a shot.

It used to be mess up your toon reroll as their was no fixing it, but now you can change feats or stats basicly anytime.

[shablala]

Three years ago. When some (idiot) melee went down into the beholder hole with a rogue and they both died (despite us casters doing our typical 'firewall the beholder' routine), he was convinced for a while that the run was ruined, they had to recall out and run all the way back around because he had no idea there was actually a ~ladder~ there.

umm actually 2-3months ago, that ladder did not reach all the way down, so yes you were stuck there until the raid finished the last part to come and fight the boss. So yea, you shouldn't be giving advice :P

[jwdaniels]

Capping a character doesn't prove you know what you're doing, it just proves you have enough free time to play consistently. Capping multiple characters just proves you have a lot of free time. Having played the game since launch may mean nothing more than you've been doing things wrong for four years instead of four weeks like some noobs.

I have two thoughts on this topic:

If you can't see that someone else might have a better way of doing something than you, you shouldn't give advice.

If every piece of advice you give out starts with 'always', 'never', or an equivalent statement, you shouldn't give advice.

[davidcampa]

For feats take ph@t lewt, elitist pig and awsumsauce. For enhancements take Advice Prodigy I, II and III. III is optional because the AP required is quite a lot so you might want to make up for that by wearing a +15 Helm of Good Advice and increase your 'Advice' skills.


The problem is you have to gimp yourself way to much to get all the feats

[LordPiglet]

Can you give me advice on the proper guild to join, so that I can get into the groups where the ultra vets will just play my characters for me?

I mean, since apparently my ability to teach other people based on my own experiences doesn't count, I might as well just let someone farm me to 20.

Oh, and if you can gear me out while you at it, that would be appreciated too.

Thanks in advance

;)

[AyumiAmakusa]

The problem is you have to gimp yourself way to much to get all the feats

But the trade-off is that you gain the ability to give THE best advice. It's worth it.

[thoryndar]

IBTL. I sense a cube coming shortly...

[Hokonoso]

I don't get all the angst about elitest jerks, i ONLY take advice from them, cause frankly, no one else understands anything about life/games/anything cause if they did, they would also be elitest...

final #, if you are not an elitest, you should not give any advice.

[Lissyl]

umm actually 2-3months ago, that ladder did not reach all the way down, so yes you were stuck there until the raid finished the last part to come and fight the boss. So yea, you shouldn't be giving advice :P

Three other members of the group who were longtime players said it had been 6+ months. Even if it was 2-3, that's still 2-3 months where being the oldest player doesn't make one the most knowledgeable. It's always the little stuff that trips you up; I had the same things happen to me when I was a longtime player on another game and got a little too sure of my knowledge when something had changed.

Besides, I didn't give any advice about it. But if ya think I should be quiet when someone is asking in /a whether or not a paladin/rogue is a good idea....well... :)

I guess all I'm really saying is that 'advice' is far too large a category to really try to pin down as to 'when you can give it'. If someone asks advice on whether or not they have to stay in Korthos for all 750 kills, anyone who's done Korthos 4 or so times is more than qualified to give an answer. It's a 'commensurate with experience' thing. I wouldn't try to advise someone about Hound, I haven't done Hound. Can I advise them on the spells to prep for TS? Yes, and rather well, too.

[Lissyl]

I don't get all the angst about elitest jerks, i ONLY take advice from them, cause frankly, no one else understands anything about life/games/anything cause if they did, they would also be elitest...

final #, if you are not an elitest, you should not give any advice.

I would be curious to know...what do you do when the elitists have differing opinions? If there's one thing about elitists -- especially in D&D -- its that they have differing opinions, often on the same things and sometimes even on the meaning of the exact same numbers.

[Dark_Helmet]

here is a list to go by before you give some one else advice.
[snnnnippppppp]
What is your top 10?
1. If you haven't made over 1000 posts with green rep, you shouldn't be giving advice on who should give advice.

B. There are 10 types that understand binary: those that do and those that don't.

III. Hi Welcome your Face



Hi Tarrrant! Just for you: :)
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[Xatasha]

Before you give advice in DDO you need to have

1) A Masters degree from the DDO college. You can sign up for class in the DDO store

2) You must be able to speak at least two other languages in order to give advice to the masses

3) You must of been an alpha play tester for DDO

4) You must have every race,class and class combo to 20 and TRed at least 5 times for each toon

5) Must of ran each instance a min of 5000 times on epic

6) Must have your mothers permission

7) an Epeen score of over 9000

8) Have Chuck Norris round house kick the DDO disk into your forehead so you can access them without need of a computer

[JollySwagMan]

Strictly in an advisory capacity.

http://www.bohemiandrive.com/comics/npwil/41.html

[Giselle]

Wow....so those of us are aren't Ub3R L33T aren't worthy to give advice?

I believe I can give advice when I am fairly certain I know I what I am talking about. 25 years of table top....yea I think I can give my 2 cents every now and then....thanks

While I'm not saying that you're unworthy or incapable of giving good advice, the 25 years of tabletop may not be the qualifier to reference. DDO has diverged from pen & paper significantly, and depending solely on that tabletop experience for DDO may not be sufficient.

[Snivelbruper]

My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/5849/adviceo.jpg
You should listen to me, I'm pre-med.

[Hokonoso]

I would be curious to know...what do you do when the elitists have differing opinions? If there's one thing about elitists -- especially in D&D -- its that they have differing opinions, often on the same things and sometimes even on the meaning of the exact same numbers.

elitists never ask for advice so this is a non-issue, it's for the non-elitists to seek out these elitists for advice.

[Jeannie]

Actually Pally/rogues are great - search out the Vulkoor Assassin build. Had a blast leveling her.

[FrancisP.Fancypants]

12. if you are angry right now about my post, and sarcastically accused me of being an uber elitist, you should not be giving any advice.

But what if we're accusing you in a completely sincere, non-sarcastic way?

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And say you get a gimped character of each class to cap by begging for gear and piking the entire way, would that then qualify you to give advice on piking gimped characters?

Inquiring minds, sir, inquiring minds.

[ragwa1]

Sweep the leg.

[Robi3.0]

1. You must have played at least, and minimally 4 different characters types to level 20 and completed every Raid.

2. There are really 4 types of Characters you must have played to 20 to give advice they are. A. Melee B. Healer C. Caster D. Support. Once you can understand what each of these roles do, you will be starting to get there.



BALLS! I only have 1 level 20 character and it is a fighter. I guess I am off to delete my guide full of advice. :(

[Modinator0]

There are far to many of you newb players out there at the moment developing advice on the forums that are basing your advice on your experience from levels 8 to 10 (notice i left the hyphen out to be consistent with Turbines new convention).

here is a list to go by before you give some one else advice.

1. You must have played at least, and minimally 4 different characters types to level 20 and completed every Raid.

2. There are really 4 types of Characters you must have played to 20 to give advice they are. A. Melee B. Healer C. Caster D. Support. Once you can understand what each of these roles do, you will be starting to get there.

3. If you think you do the most DPS on the server you exist on and you are wielding the Epic Antique great Axe, #1 you need to stop and re-roll right now, #2 you dont do the most DPS on the server, and lastly if you haven't even completed all of the raids multiple times and are fully geared out and truly twitch experienced then there is no way on earth you should be giving any one else advice.

4. You must not have run up the stairs to the Shadow battle TOD before defeating the judge and the jailer, if you have done this you cannot give any advice to anyone else.

5. If you attempted to Tank the Elder Black Dragon on Elite in Mired in Kobolds and you only had 280 hit points and a 20 AC, you first need to delete that character and probably your account. But you certainly should not be giving any advice.

6. If you posted a group for Epic Dragon, and then when we got to the end of part 5 you say to me, wow, i have never done this and you really look like you know what you are doing, will you lead part 6, you should not be giving anyone any advice.

7. if you think you can run Epics just because you have reached level 20 you need to re-evaluate, but you certainly should not be giving any advice.

8. if you think Con can, in any way be a dump stat, if you think Paladin spell points matter, if you think Ranger spell points matter, if you took 2 levels of wizard to get Arcane archer, if you think your wisdom on your fighter needs to be a 14 or especially anything over 8, if you think your monk can haggle, if you are looking for a bard as a primary healer in any of the major raids, then you should not be giving out any advice.

9. if you see my caster running ahead and tell me wait, we'll wipe if you do that. Then not only do you not understand the power and complexity of a caster, but you should not be giving out any advice.

10. If you spend the entire pre quest time, during quest time, all time, talking about how great you are, this is the PREDOMINANT SIGN THAT YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. And definitely should not be giving any advice.

What is your top 10?
wow all that, just to give ANY advice? ****, I better go take back all that helpful advice I gave to new players in the advice channel on korthos... apparently if I haven't completed everything in the game I'm not allowed to give advice on korthos!

[Modinator0]

Capping a character doesn't prove you know what you're doing, it just proves you have enough free time to play consistently. Capping multiple characters just proves you have a lot of free time. Having played the game since launch may mean nothing more than you've been doing things wrong for four years instead of four weeks like some noobs.

I have two thoughts on this topic:

If you can't see that someone else might have a better way of doing something than you, you shouldn't give advice.

If every piece of advice you give out starts with 'always', 'never', or an equivalent statement, you shouldn't give advice.

also this.

[ThePrincipal]

The OP sounds like he's making a ddo advisor certificate or customer service training manual - all from the comfort of his parent's basement. Well played sir.

[shablala]

let me add another reply to an already 5page pointless thread!

/signed

[tgun]

All this great advice deserves a sticky

[Astraghal]

101: If you type then instead of than or vice versa, not only should you not be giving advice, you should book yourself into your local euthanasia clinic, for liquidation.

[wax_on_wax_off]

I give advice freely and often but I don't meet a fair few of your prereqs.

Here is my top 10:
1. If you spend more time posting on the forums rather than reading other peoples posts then you should not give advice.

2. If you do not understand D&D game mechanics then you should not give advice.

3. If you have not played a certain class to the level that the advice relates to then you should not give advice about it. (unless you attach warnings of it being out of your scope of your experience like I do)

4. If you think that the way to give advice is to tell people how to play their characters rather than presenting an opinion and being prepared to back it up with evidence and examples then you should not give advice.

5. If you don't read the forums then you should not give advice (possibly covered above but this covers a different set of people that I find irksome)

6. If you think that a scroll that you can buy at a vendor is too expensive at level 20 to use in a raid then you should not give advice.

7. If you think that this game is unplayable without having purchased 32 point builds from the DDO store then you should not give advice.

8. If you think that paladins can't be tanks, or wizards and rangers can't be as effective at disabling traps as assassin or acrobat spec'd rogues or that my 1 level of wizard on my cleric build is gimp or that clerics or FvS are just healers or that arcanes make excellent persistent DPS or that a trap focused rogue is viable then you should not give advice.

9. If you aren't prepared to have a new player in your raid as long as he shows that he is communicative and willing to listen and learn then you should not give advice.

10. If you find a build post that you like and follow it to the letter rather than being able to evaluate it's strengths and weaknesses and tailoring it to suit your playstyle in a way that won't get you flamed on the forums then you should not give advice.

As far as the OPs top 10 goes, I don't have VoN or amrath and only 1 level 20. I only have 4 character slots on the server that I choose to play on and like to be able to have level appropriate characters to play with lowbie guildies so have to be content with an 18 and a 20 to ransack shroud with. I've played every class almost and every role on my other 8 favour toons on the other 6 servers (have 500 favour on every server or more).

I've never done epic but don't give advice about it beyond that it is different from other end game content and that your to-hit will matter again, your old favourite tactics may not work and it is generally a whole different world. I've never done any of the vale raids on elite but have done them all on hard. I've done the other raids that I have access to on elite though they are easy (reavers, DQ and TS).

[Zorth]

Burp!

[Sebastrd]

14. If you cannot be constructive, concise, and polite you should not give advice.

This should have been #1 on the list.

[Kawabonga]

if Your Life Revolves Around This Game, You Should Not Give Any Advice And Turn Off Your Computer. Still Feel Elite?

Qft!

[Tarrant]

Thanks for all the great advice.