You Might Be Gimp, if...

[shores11]

You Might Be Gimp, if...

> you're a ranger and ask if anyone has any arrows.
> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them.
> you complain to another guild how bad your guild is but won't leave it.
> you're a healer with a full SP bar and your party is dead.
> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)
> The group has to keep coming to retrieve your stone because you "solo this quest all the time".
> You're playing a TWF Melee-Wiz...
> Halfway into Shroud you explain your full SP bar by announcing you aren't healing because you're a "Battle-Cleric"
> Your "Tank" toon gets one shotted by a mob crit because "two-weapon defense is bugged".
> Lesser Reincarnation "chose your classes for you".
> you are the group leader of an epic quest and then ask, can someone guide me to the entrance I have not done this one before?

Sadly most if not all of these experiences has happened in DDO.

[Mangloid]

You Might Be Gimp, if...


> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)



While I get where you are going with this, I don't agree with it. For a newer player, carrying a stack of these around can drain their coin pretty severely.
At level 8 I won't scroll res a pug unless they are absolutely needed, Turbine has gone out of their way (sometimes in excess) to ensure shrines are never too far off in the quest. Why waste the plat when I can put you in my pocket for a few min and let you res at a shrine. Besides, if you're dead....well there just might be a reason you died and that cleric just might have accidentally (on purpose) let you die.

[Gkar]

While I get where you are going with this, I don't agree with it. For a newer player, carrying a stack of these around can drain their coin pretty severely.
At level 8 I won't scroll res a pug unless they are absolutely needed, Turbine has gone out of their way (sometimes in excess) to ensure shrines are never too far off in the quest. Why waste the plat when I can put you in my pocket for a few min and let you res at a shrine. Besides, if you're dead....well there just might be a reason you died and that cleric just might have accidentally (on purpose) let you die.

Even for a new player, carrying a handful of them can be the difference between success and a wipe. It doesn't mean that sometimes you aren't better off carrying to a shrine, but not having them is negligent.

[Llewndyn]

You Might Be Gimp, if...

> you're a ranger and ask if anyone has any arrows.
> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them.
> you complain to another guild how bad your guild is but won't leave it.
> you're a healer with a full SP bar and your party is dead.
> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)
> The group has to keep coming to retrieve your stone because you "solo this quest all the time".
> You're playing a TWF Melee-Wiz...
> Halfway into Shroud you explain your full SP bar by announcing you aren't healing because you're a "Battle-Cleric"
> Your "Tank" toon gets one shotted by a mob crit because "two-weapon defense is bugged".
> Lesser Reincarnation "chose your classes for you".
> you are the group leader of an epic quest and then ask, can someone guide me to the entrance I have not done this one before?

Sadly most if not all of these experiences has happened in DDO.

Most of those are fine, but as a rogue a lot of times I will use my search, the CP will flash, but either because it is hidden behind a rock/ the sorc/wizzy is spamming firewall/ glitterdust is everywhere/ random **** is standing in front of it I need a little help locating it since re-searching will not re-locatificate the panel...

I also thought clerics didnt get raise dead until 9, correct me if I am wrong.

You might also be able to TWF melee a wiz if you invest equally in STR and Dex, while this build is not optimal, sure to the very low SP a Wizzy gets SOMETHING has to be done to even the playing field, I picked up 14 STR so I could S&B it and that works very effectively for me and I can conserve SP to buff you silly tanks. Would you rather I carried a scepter and then run out of SP and do 1-3 dmg per hit? Remember this time-honored adage: A spell caster with no Spell points is an oddly dressed bystander at best.

Sorry to play devil's advocate, I like to come in late to discussions, offer already articulated advice and then raise controversial issues.

[Llewndyn]

FTR, I know you can get the scrolls beforehand, but am wondering if most clerics dont assume no one will expect them to have the spell before lvl 9

[Krag]

You might be gimp if you need rez at level 8.

[stainer]

You might be gimp if you need rez at level 8.

Classic! +1

[shores11]

Most of those are fine, but as a rogue a lot of times I will use my search, the CP will flash, but either because it is hidden behind a rock/ the sorc/wizzy is spamming firewall/ glitterdust is everywhere/ random **** is standing in front of it I need a little help locating it since re-searching will not re-locatificate the panel...

I also thought clerics didnt get raise dead until 9, correct me if I am wrong.

You might also be able to TWF melee a wiz if you invest equally in STR and Dex, while this build is not optimal, sure to the very low SP a Wizzy gets SOMETHING has to be done to even the playing field, I picked up 14 STR so I could S&B it and that works very effectively for me and I can conserve SP to buff you silly tanks. Would you rather I carried a scepter and then run out of SP and do 1-3 dmg per hit? Remember this time-honored adage: A spell caster with no Spell points is an oddly dressed bystander at best.

Sorry to play devil's advocate, I like to come in late to discussions, offer already articulated advice and then raise controversial issues.

Hmmm, this thread couldn't even get one reply on topic before getting derailed.

[t0r012]

Sorry but if you think I'm spending the plat with a toon to rez your @$$ in a pug at level 8 you are sadly mistaken. Go buy a cake from the store and QQ ya freakin' baby.

Even beyond 9 I don't expect a rez from a cleric, if i get it great but if not oh well. I see it as a simple math formula, if you contribute enough to the party than rezing and healing is cheaper on the whole than the extra damage and time it takes to get to the nearest shrine then you get a rez. If not, time for a back pack ride.


Same thing with everyone expecting a healer to have an unlimited supply of wands for when they are out of mana. Forget you, I want your sword to do 2 times more damage and your AC to be 10 points higher than it is so I don't have to waste all my mana healing you.

Anyway , take you healer hate elsewhere.

oh and you might be a gimp if...

you make a might be a gimp if thread.

[katana_one]

... but am wondering if most clerics dont assume no one will expect them to have the spell before lvl 9

Possibly. I know that I personally don't expect *anything* from a cleric - not even basic spot healing. But then, I spend a lot of time in pugs, so I don't take anything for granted.

[sainy_matthew]

You Might Be Gimp, if...

> you're a ranger and ask if anyone has any arrows.
> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them.
> you complain to another guild how bad your guild is but won't leave it.
> you're a healer with a full SP bar and your party is dead.
> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)
> The group has to keep coming to retrieve your stone because you "solo this quest all the time".
> You're playing a TWF Melee-Wiz...
> Halfway into Shroud you explain your full SP bar by announcing you aren't healing because you're a "Battle-Cleric"
> Your "Tank" toon gets one shotted by a mob crit because "two-weapon defense is bugged".
> Lesser Reincarnation "chose your classes for you".
> you are the group leader of an epic quest and then ask, can someone guide me to the entrance I have not done this one before?

Sadly most if not all of these experiences has happened in DDO.

Except you can do any one of these things and not be gimped. You may be gimped, if you feel the need to start a thread about being gimped.

[Lethander]

Even for a new player, carrying a handful of them can be the difference between success and a wipe. It doesn't mean that sometimes you aren't better off carrying to a shrine, but not having them is negligent.

Oooh.
Send me either plat or scrolls, please?
You'll be doing your part to make me less delinquent! :D

[Zorth]

You might be a gimp if you do not wait for buffs at the beginning of an elite quest when the quest will be a challenge for your level.

[The-Last-Wolf]

Hmmm, this thread couldn't even get one reply on topic before getting derailed.

I would guess that's becuase you just called a large group of people, many of whom may simply be learning this game as they go "Gimps"

I am leveling my first cleric at the moment, and I did not know that at level 8 I could use Healing scrolls. I had only levelled up the previous night and was in a pug when someone asked (early into the quest) if I had any. I said I didn't know I could use them, they kindly explained and gave me a stack to use in the quest. At the end I offered that player the unused ones back (think we only needed 1) and he said "No worries keep em I always carry a pile to give to the healers". Since then I bought a load more and allways keep the stack topped up even though I now cast Res.

By your definition I "Might be a gimp". Yeah thanks for that :-)

I can't really tell whether you are posting this purely for a laugh or if you are serious. if it's the former then fine
if it's the latter then perhaps a more educational tone would gather you better responses.

Regards
Wolf

[shores11]

Except you can do any one of these things and not be gimped. You may be gimped, if you feel the need to start a thread about being gimped.

You Might Be Gimped, if...

> you're a player that thinks doing gimped things isn't gimped.

[Zaodan]

You might be Gimp, if...

... you get critically hit and you're over level 10.
... you get PK'd, Fingered, or Destructed by a monster and you're over level 8.
... you die from Acid Rain, Acid Arrow, Burning Blood or some other damage-over-time (DoT) spell cast by a monster because "you weren't healed".
... you get rejected from a group because of your MyDDO page.

[AaronB]

You're really gimped if:
>You planned on TWF, but started with low Dex
>You're a Paladin, and neglected fighting attributes to max Wis
>You're a Bard with no prestige class or song enhancements
>You're multiclassing without a plan

[jjflanigan]

Please note he just said "You might be a gimp, if..." not "You are a gimp, if..." -- it's all in good fun, no need to get all uptight about it, play along with DDO Foxworthy (that having been said, some of the best solo characters in the game are TWF melee wizard multiclass builds)

You might be a gimp, if...
You are farming for Black Widow Bracers on your plate mail wearing fighter
You craft concordant opposition bracers for your barbarian as your first GS item because "I wanted the hp proc!"
You multiclass 10 Sorc / 10 Wiz to get extra spells

[SINIBYTE]

You might be Gimp, if...

...you run to the forums to talk about how gimp everyone else is.

[shores11]

You might be Gimp, if...

...you run to the forums to talk about how gimp everyone else is.

You Might Be Gimped, if...

> you're a player that thinks doing gimped things isn't gimped.


Note: Folks this was just meant to be a fun post. I have not mentioned any players names, guilds or otherwise. Take life a little easier and you will longer.

[Arkat]

You Might Be Gimped, if...

> your DDO Forum name begins with an "s" and ends with a "1"

:p

[The-Last-Wolf]

Hmm, I post a (in my head light hearted poke fun at myself) reply talking about tone and find my tone is not apparent.

Hello Mr Kettle my names Mr Pot and guess what, you're ........

Sorry if my happy face was not noticable :-)

You might be a gimp if

You build a totally focused undead killing specialised Cleric (oh **** that's me)

LOL

Regards
Wolf

[Teldurn]

Even for a new player, carrying a handful of them can be the difference between success and a wipe. It doesn't mean that sometimes you aren't better off carrying to a shrine, but not having them is negligent.

It's not negligence if you don't know they exist. Ignorance, yes, but not negligence.

I would guesstimate lots of new players don't know it's possible at that level.

[Fenrisulven6]

as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)

Disagree. Res scrolls aren't cheap, and too many peeps die cheaply.

Unless you're swimming in plat, there's no reason an 8th should be expected to carry them.

[Fenrisulven6]

Even for a new player, carrying a handful of them can be the difference between success and a wipe. It doesn't mean that sometimes you aren't better off carrying to a shrine, but not having them is negligent.

Whats negligent is non-clerics not carrying res scrolls to hand off to their cleric. ;)

I mean seriously, if you truly believe this, whats stopping you from stocking up on res scrolls?

[Fenrisulven6]

You Might Be Gimped, if...

you complain about the 8th lvl Cleric not carrying res scrolls when you dont carry them either :D

[Setin_Myways]

you might be a gimp if...

You do not hand the cleric raise scrolls/wands/pots to cover for you....

I think it is very arrogant for someone to assume an 8th lvl char can afford a stack of raise scrolls. A first time through char is lucky to even have afforded the basic gear they should have.

Sounds to me like someone was expecting a babysitter or a non-ai hireling.

Yeah, this may be made in jest, but many of the things scream ' you might be an elitist if you think this thread has merit or is funny'...

[Zaodan]

You might be Gimp, if ...


... you're not in my guild.















... you are in my guild.

:D

[Thrudh]

> you're a ranger and ask if anyone has any arrows.

That means the player is Tempest and not Arcane Archer, and therefore, likely less gimp


as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)

Newb, not gimp.


> You're playing a TWF Melee-Wiz...

Likely gimp in the hands of a new player, but it is certainly possible to be a solid (maybe not optimal, but certainly non-gimp) melee/wiz


Rest of your examples

Yeah, those are pretty bad.

[Sweyn]

You Might Be Gimp, if...

> you're a ranger and ask if anyone has any arrows.
It's a commen mistake to just run out of arrows, how does that make you a gimp?
> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them.
The most Uber rogue in DDO could run a quest for the first time and not know where the boxes are. Again, i fail to see how this is gimp.
> you complain to another guild how bad your guild is but won't leave it.
How does this relate to being gimp? It has nothing to do with player skill
> you're a healer with a full SP bar and your party is dead.
Maybe..
> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)
Raise scrolls cost a lot, especially for a new player. Just because someone is not twinked to the max they are gimp?
> The group has to keep coming to retrieve your stone because you "solo this quest all the time".
Meh... ok
> You're playing a TWF Melee-Wiz...
You've never heard of 11wiz/6ranger/3rogue? I suggest you look Tukaw up, he has a couple bad ass melee casters
> Halfway into Shroud you explain your full SP bar by announcing you aren't healing because you're a "Battle-Cleric"
Maybe
> Your "Tank" toon gets one shotted by a mob crit because "two-weapon defense is bugged".
Ok
> Lesser Reincarnation "chose your classes for you".
Maybe..
> you are the group leader of an epic quest and then ask, can someone guide me to the entrance I have not done this one before?
Again, that doesn't mean gimp. I had once asked the party where the new epic house P quest was because i had never done it before, am i gimp?

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

It's not negligence if you don't know they exist. Ignorance, yes, but not negligence.

I would guesstimate lots of new players don't know it's possible at that level.

And to add to this (since I obviously have no sense of humor either :D ), if you haven't played a cleric since '06, you may still be under the impression that you need to be lv9 to use them scrolls...back in the day, scrolls required a roll to try to use under-level...and it was a tough roll...I think it was caster-level check of 20, so d20+8, and you need to get a 20. (making it a waste back then)

[Eladiun]

While I get where you are going with this, I don't agree with it. For a newer player, carrying a stack of these around can drain their coin pretty severely.
At level 8 I won't scroll res a pug unless they are absolutely needed, Turbine has gone out of their way (sometimes in excess) to ensure shrines are never too far off in the quest. Why waste the plat when I can put you in my pocket for a few min and let you res at a shrine. Besides, if you're dead....well there just might be a reason you died and that cleric just might have accidentally (on purpose) let you die.

I start carrying at Level 7 (85% is good enough) but I'm not exactly worried about plat. I also wouldn't do this in PuGs.

[shores11]

You Might Be Gimped, if...

> your DDO Forum name begins with an "s" and ends with a "1"

:p

Absolutely no need to take this to a personal level, why? - Seriously.

[SINIBYTE]

Absolutely no need to take this to a personal level, why? - Seriously.

Intending a fun post or not, insinuating that players might be gimp for various reasons will comes across as elitist, and even if a player hasn't committed any of the offenses in this thread... you're still insulting people. You should've expected a good handful of "screw you too, buddy!". :)

[PopeJual]

Hmmm, this thread couldn't even get one reply on topic before getting derailed.

Are you somehow under the impression that "disagree with shores11" == derail?

[Xatasha]

As a cleric I will not waste plat using a scroll to rez a pug unless its really needed. To many lemmings getting themselves killed over and over doing stupid stuff. Hmm maybe I should start selling rezzes

[shores11]

Intending a fun post or not, insinuating that players might be gimp for various reasons will comes across as elitist, and even if a player hasn't committed any of the offenses in this thread... you're still insulting people. You should've expected a good handful of "screw you too, buddy!". :)

I'll have to disagree.

[katana_one]

Absolutely no need to take this to a personal level, why? - Seriously.

Oh come on, now. You can dish it out but can't take it? Some people may be taking this too seriously, but I thought Arkat was just being cheeky in the spirit of your thread.

[Lifeblood]

You Might Be Gimp, if...

> you're a ranger and ask if anyone has any arrows.
> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them.
> you complain to another guild how bad your guild is but won't leave it.
> you're a healer with a full SP bar and your party is dead.
> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)
> The group has to keep coming to retrieve your stone because you "solo this quest all the time".
> You're playing a TWF Melee-Wiz...
> Halfway into Shroud you explain your full SP bar by announcing you aren't healing because you're a "Battle-Cleric"
> Your "Tank" toon gets one shotted by a mob crit because "two-weapon defense is bugged".
> Lesser Reincarnation "chose your classes for you".
> you are the group leader of an epic quest and then ask, can someone guide me to the entrance I have not done this one before?

Sadly most if not all of these experiences has happened in DDO.


dont be so hard on yourself: someday you'll learn how to run with the big dogs

[bogart99]

You might be gimp if you need rez at level 8. In a dugeon running on normal
edited

[DethTrip]

You might be gimped if:

You completely dump con so you can raise str +2 to get the extra +1 attack and +1 damage.
You're leader of a party and ask "what house is this quest in again?"
You're at the end fight in TOD and don't put your boots on.
You blame the cleric for dying from being one shotted.
You constantly zerg ahead and die several times from traps.
And last but not least, you get offended easily by a "You might be gimped" thread.

[Krag]

This thread reaks of butthurt. I almost think that you might be gimp, if you respond here.
Oh, wait...

[Darkrok]

I see it as a simple math formula, if you contribute enough to the party than rezing and healing is cheaper on the whole than the extra damage and time it takes to get to the nearest shrine then you get a rez. If not, time for a back pack ride.

+1 and very true. And it's not just whether to provide a backpack ride...it's every single healer decision.

I have that exact math formula go through my head before every single heal and every single rez. It's something I get better at doing every day - the simple arithmetic of whether my sp's and time (more valuable than the sp's while in battle) is worth rez'ing, healing, and/or rebuffing someone. Their contribution, their self-sufficiency (if I think they'll rebuff critical buffs after a rez themselves they're WAY more likely to get a rez in-battle), and the current battle situation all come into consideration and oftentimes it's not even that they're not important - it's that everyone else is MORE important. Especially if everyone spreads out beyond mass range there are times that you simply can't heal everyone. Even if the cooldowns didn't exist hitting 5 spells in time to prevent 5 people taking massive damage may not happen.

[Drfirewater79]

you might be a gimp if ...

... your hps are under 300 and your ac is lower then 30 ... and your a fighter!!

... you dont have UMD

... you build your character for "flavor" not effectiveness (sorry eladrin i had to poke you)



man these could go on and on ...

love the OP though :)

[Darkrok]

You're multiclassing without a plan

While some of these aren't necessarily gimp-worthy (a little education and/or plat fixes everything) this one can make you the definition of gimp to the point that only a LR+5 (or more) can fix the character. People splashing levels for one ability that they saw someone use or thought they might like are absolutely playing with fire.

[Thorboar]

The title should be you maybe a noob if......

These are more style of the way you play... whether good or bad....maybe with the exception of > Your "Tank" toon gets one shotted by a mob crit because "two-weapon defense is bugged"....

You maybe gimped if you are unable to disable a trap because you forgot to add skill points to disable device when leveling as a rogue.....(this maybe a bad example)...I actually did this back in 2006 when adding a level of rogue to my ranger......:D

[Lorz]

Oh come on, now. You can dish it out but can't take it? Some people may be taking this too seriously, but I thought Arkat was just being cheeky in the spirit of your thread.

See i figured Arkat was just making fun of stainer1....



And hey...I am GIMP....i cant help it...its what my little monk was named when he was born...and now you gotta go and make fun of him......You are so mean!!!! :)

[krud]

You Might Be Gimp, if...


> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them.with advice like this everywhere in the forums this is no surprise
"Wis does affect your spot. But out of Spot/search/disable, spot is the least important." http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=3168949#post3168949

Just look at how many multi rogues neglect spot because "everyone already knows where all the traps are"



> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)Who needs scrolls when there's a shrine in almost every quest?

[Arkat]

Absolutely no need to take this to a personal level, why? - Seriously.

I was trying to have fun with the thread (note the :p smiley). YOU took it too seriously. :rolleyes:

[jcTharin]

You might be a gimp if...

your an AA and say "why should i carry a pair of melee weapons? im an AA"

your a Tempest and you say "why should i have a bow? i have no use for it"

Not the exact wording but both people I have met.

edit* if your a deepwood sniper

[Thrudh]

Absolutely no need to take this to a personal level, why? - Seriously.

Check out the smiley face dude...

Thin skin for someone who started a "gimp" thread... :p

[Llewndyn]

Hmmm, this thread couldn't even get one reply on topic before getting derailed.

I stayed on topic, was just pointing out how someone could NOT be gimped and that maybe the issue is not always XX player is a n00b loser... I do prostrate myself at your magnanimous veteran omnipresent visage and beg forgiveness for offering up my opinion when it goes against the norm...

[jcTharin]

i don't think i have ever seen a thread on these forums that didn't derail. or outright die.

of course i have learned a lot of stuff from the conversations that came up.

lets see... you might be a gimp if your a even fighter/cleric split. (i think he was a 8 fighter/7 cleric)

[Baranor]

it really does amaze me how sensitive ppl can be over a simple thread designed to be a little humorous

von 3 beholders is a classic example of where raise scrolls can be useful if your cleric doesnt have raise yet or your with a bard or rog

I seem to remember back in the day when the cap was 10 and quest like WW dropped 14 gp per chest not 214 yet clerics still bought raise dead scrolls.***insert new player advice here*** clerics are expensive, prob not a good first character choice and as a side note my most recent TR stalwart is 7th level and has already cost me around 30kp

[Battlehawke]

You might be gimped if......You are on this forum which was intended to be light hearted and funny..... trying to justify why YOU aren't gimped, because you do the things mentioned...

Battlehawke

[Phidius]

You Might Be Gimp, if...

...
> You're playing a TWF Melee-Wiz...


...

Gimped and proud - come, join us... don't be afraid...

[Fattiest]

When my LFM for Tear of D says: BYOH, Speed Run In Progress, LEV 4-7.

I’m on my Lev 7 WF FvS. btw

You might be gimp if you respond to that LFM as so:

Player xxx- What are you thinking, you’re a Favored soul, why would anyone want to join your group when you wont heal them and you’ve already started. You’ll never get anyone to join you. Hahaha……


I was already ½ way done with the quest and within 2 min of getting his Tell the group was full. All the people in the group were well equipped, able to take care of themselves and overall better than the average pug. Very quick N and H runs.

Happened this morn about 930est on thelanis.

[Fenrisulven6]

it really does amaze me how sensitive ppl can be over a simple thread designed to be a little humorous

Show me the funny in "8th lvl Clerics should carry res scrolls" as a standard.

And I love how the peeps believe this get all quiet when you point out they can buy res scrolls too. Its just more of the same - expecting clerics to pay for your poor play.


von 3 beholders is a classic example of where raise scrolls can be useful if your cleric doesnt have raise yet or your with a bard or rog

Huh? There's a shrine right behind you. Even with raise dead in mem, I've never needed to cast it there. Sweep in and get the stones, run to shrine.

Unless you're a gimp ;)

[Ashurr]

Except you can do any one of these things and not be gimped. You may be gimped, if you feel the need to start a thread about being gimped.

seconded!

[Baranor]

Show me the funny in "8th lvl Clerics should carry res scrolls" as a standard.

And I love how the peeps believe this get all quiet when you point out they can buy res scrolls too. Its just more of the same - expecting clerics to pay for your poor play.

truthfully I have no idea how many scrolls I've bought, but if I've bought one heal scroll I've bought a thousand(prob 2000) as well as many other scrolls



Huh? There's a shrine right behind you. Even with raise dead in mem, I've never needed to cast it there. Sweep in and get the stones, run to shrine.

I doubt I'd be willing to pull the beholders back far enough to make it to the shrine, generally we'd keep the cleric behind the door and rush them but 'sweeping in' doesnt seem like too hot of an idea if that means rolling a 1 will cause a total party wipe


Unless you're a gimp ;)

I like to gimp my toons alittle bit, it keeps them on a level playing field with everyone else ;)

[bruha118]

You might be gimp if...You have no sense of humor for this thread :)

[Kromize]

You Might Be Gimp, if...

> you're a ranger and ask if anyone has any arrows. Unless you just forgot, and aren't gimp.
> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them. Unless your inexperienced.
> you complain to another guild how bad your guild is but won't leave it. Not gimp, just stubborn.
> you're a healer with a full SP bar and your party is dead. I'll give you that one...
> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls) New/inexperience player again...
> The group has to keep coming to retrieve your stone because you "solo this quest all the time". Okay, two for you...
> You're playing a TWF Melee-Wiz... That could be fun tho...unless your melee ONLY...
> Halfway into Shroud you explain your full SP bar by announcing you aren't healing because you're a "Battle-Cleric" Battle Clerics heal too...3 for you...
> Your "Tank" toon gets one shotted by a mob crit because "two-weapon defense is bugged". And 4...
> Lesser Reincarnation "chose your classes for you". Don't call someone a gimp because they didn't fully understand how the lesser reincarnation works(it really is screwy...)
> you are the group leader of an epic quest and then ask, can someone guide me to the entrance I have not done this one before? This makes 5.

Sadly most if not all of these experiences has happened in DDO.

Sadly, most of these experience don't make you gimp, they just show that your a new/inexperienced player, or didn't understand something fully. Seems like your one of the people that newbies and less experienced players complain about being elitist...

[BattleCircle]

Maybe the Op should have titled the thread You Might Be A Red-Noob, :D

People lighten up and take the thread for what it is, some silly fun :rolleyes:

[shablala]

You Might Be Gimp, if...

> you're a ranger and ask if anyone has any arrows.
> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them.
> you complain to another guild how bad your guild is but won't leave it.
> you're a healer with a full SP bar and your party is dead.
> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)
> The group has to keep coming to retrieve your stone because you "solo this quest all the time".
> You're playing a TWF Melee-Wiz...
> Halfway into Shroud you explain your full SP bar by announcing you aren't healing because you're a "Battle-Cleric"
> Your "Tank" toon gets one shotted by a mob crit because "two-weapon defense is bugged".
> Lesser Reincarnation "chose your classes for you".
> you are the group leader of an epic quest and then ask, can someone guide me to the entrance I have not done this one before?

Sadly most if not all of these experiences has happened in DDO.

Honesly, and with all due respect, none of the above qualifies as "Gimp". Inexperienced maybe, Newbie, Noob(if your intention is to ridicule others), but not gimp.

Examples of Gimp would be:
- If you are a melee of any kind with less than 250hp running Shroud.
- An arcane archer with MinII Bow :P
- A rogue Mechanic with max INT
- A palemaster with twf, itwf and gtwf.
- A WF spellsinger w/ 6lvls splash.
- A drow finesse Barb
- A halfling Intimitank w/ full dragonmarks.

[Lyniaer]

You might be Gimp, if...
... you get PK'd, Fingered, or Destructed by a monster and you're over level 8.


I just 'had' to reply to this one.

I suppose rolling a 1 with a beholder in your face is being gimp.

[shores11]

Maybe the Op should have titled the thread You Might Be A Red-Noob, :D

People lighten up and take the thread for what it is, some silly fun :rolleyes:

Thank you +1 rep.

[shores11]

I stayed on topic, was just pointing out how someone could NOT be gimped and that maybe the issue is not always XX player is a n00b loser... I do prostrate myself at your magnanimous veteran omnipresent visage and beg forgiveness for offering up my opinion when it goes against the norm...

First and foremost this thread is lighte hearted humore and many got it and responded well.

I have had some of the things I posted in this thread happen to me so I am also poking fun at myself. All I was saying is that some folks really got offended by this and it baffled me.

Maybe I am a gimp for that...

[FluffyCalico]

You Might Be Gimp, if...


> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them.
> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)


Sadly most if not all of these experiences has happened in DDO.

1) Admitting this is your first time in a quest does not make your rogue a gimp. Not being able to do them once told where they are does!

2) Been playing since day 1. I have never ever need a rez scroll on any of my clerics ever. Carry a SP pot they are cheaper or sp giving item. As for level 8 the party can get over it. If people are dieing in level 8 quests there are bigger problems than that you don't have a scroll that you most likely would not have at that level unless you bought it off the AH.

[Dunfalach]

You Might Be Gimp, if...

> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them.
The most Uber rogue in DDO could run a quest for the first time and not know where the boxes are. Again, i fail to see how this is gimp.

*chuckles* I think what he refers to is a rogue who has high disable but low spot/search, so cannot detect the traps himself. Sadly, I can say this from experience as I have *been* that rogue. I multiclassed my warforged rogue, and while I took a Nimble Fingers feat to balance that out on disabling, which he does very well, it left his spot/search below his nominal level at first since they were not a class skill for his multiclass levels. I ran an at-level quest with a lot of traps and found out that though I could disable anything there, I couldn't make a spot/search roll to save my life. Fortunately, the ranger on that quest had high spot and search, so we teamed up. He found 'em, I disabled 'em. But it could have been very bad for the party if he hadn't been there. Once aware of that problem, I put some more effort into boosting his spot/search to ungimp him.

[Bacab]

Ok...not carrying rez scrolls on a level 8 Cleric does not make you gimp...

I have 2 level 20 FVS and one is TRed...

One has soloed VoD and all Amrath Quests on Elite except Bastion and ToD...

And I did not know that a level 8 Cleric can use Rez scrolls. I would assume it would be level 9 then for Favored Souls?

I always figured you had to be the minimum level.

So if that makes me gimp...

Then not being able to solo in the Sub makes you gimp.

Then not being able to solo VoD makes you gimped.

Then not spanking Amrath quests on elite solo makes you gimped.

I know this is a good-hearted thread...and I for one will now have Rez scrolls on my FVS (I am TRing one of them soon-ish) before he can cast it....so I did learn something from it.

I also read you can use Heal Scrolls early also?

Maybe I am just still gun-shy from a bad PnP experience...I tried to use a Flame Strike scroll on a low level cleric...and messed up and nuked the whole party...Everyone died except for me and the Barb (who had to Rage to stay alive). I guess in DDO you just lose the scroll.

Though that would be neat. Maybe if you fail a UMD check on certain spells there should be a punishment?

[Sweetpea]

You Might Be Gimp, if...

> you're a ranger and ask if anyone has any arrows.
now now... just cos i always run out of arrows doesnt make my ranger gimp... much lol

> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them.
this one isnt too fair. i have an exploiter build and the only issue it has atm is searching traps on elite in some quests...

> you complain to another guild how bad your guild is but won't leave it.
whats this got to do with being gimp???
> you're a healer with a full SP bar and your party is dead.
actually that's got more to do with the party then the cleric.. a whole partying dying is rarely the cleric's fault
> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)
sorta agree but new players can have issues with affording this. personally if i am about to run a quest where there is a possibility of death under lvl 9 with a cleric then i grab a couple of scrolls to toss the cleric's way if it starts to look bad
> The group has to keep coming to retrieve your stone because you "solo this quest all the time".
while my mantra is usually everyone rolls a 1... sometimes you just have to admit you can't zerg and stop trying
> You're playing a TWF Melee-Wiz...
got a friend who can handle it with the best on his Wiz... when he is about to run out of sp he hastes the party chucks on tensors and gets in there and beats them down with the rest of us.. personally i find this hilarious but in a good way
> Halfway into Shroud you explain your full SP bar by announcing you aren't healing because you're a "Battle-Cleric"
+1 for that
> Your "Tank" toon gets one shotted by a mob crit because "two-weapon defense is bugged".
i squelched the last person who said that to me.. it was too painful to listen to them explain why they didn't need heavy fort if it wasn't bugged
> Lesser Reincarnation "chose your classes for you".
LMAO!!!!!
> you are the group leader of an epic quest and then ask, can someone guide me to the entrance I have not done this one before?
Been there.. very quickly recalled and said good luck and good bye

Sadly most if not all of these experiences has happened in DDO.

I try very hard not to tell anyone they are gimped unless it is beyond my ability to give them stuff or advice to at least lessen their complete drain on a party's resources... then i tend to add them to my 'friends' list for future reference :)

[Fenrisulven6]

I wish people would lighten up about telling us all to lighten up.

[Dunfalach]

You might be a gimp if...

your an AA and say "why should i carry a pair of melee weapons? im an AA"

your a Tempest and you say "why should i have a bow? i have no use for it"


I learned that last one by accident, due to having developed a habit early on of always having a ranged weapon on every character. So I carried a longbow, since my tempest ranger is an elf, and switched to longbow fleeing when I ran into some trouble solo at an early level. Was much surprised to find the longbow relatively effective. It was only later, on a forum post, that I learned part of the reason is that rangers get the Bow Strength feat, so all those points into strength for my tempest ranger also applied damage increases to my longbow. That plus plopping an action point or two into bow enhancements when nothing else critical was available and retaining a couple of useful damage type bows from quest drops or cheap sales has given me a decent ability to contribute with a bow in party. I really love having the versatility to hang back with the bow or wade in with dual weapons as I think best, or pick off archers and casters on side platforms while party members are engaging the enemies to our front.

[Dunfalach]

When my LFM for Tear of D says: BYOH, Speed Run In Progress, LEV 4-7.

BYOH means....what? I'm guessing from context, Be Your Own Healer or Bring Your Own Heals or something like that?

[Dilbon]

You might be a gimp if you have the Improved Shield Bash feat.

[PopeJual]

I wish people would lighten up about telling us all to lighten up.

Yeah, you're name isn't even Francis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6cxNR9ML8k). It's Fenris!

[Sparky21]

You Might Be Gimped, if...

> your DDO Forum name begins with an "s" and ends with a "1"

:p

i gimp yo face!!!

[Bloodstealer]

Most of those are fine, but as a rogue a lot of times I will use my search, the CP will flash, but either because it is hidden behind a rock/ the sorc/wizzy is spamming firewall/ glitterdust is everywhere/ random **** is standing in front of it I need a little help locating it since re-searching will not re-locatificate the panel...

I also thought clerics didnt get raise dead until 9, correct me if I am wrong.

You might also be able to TWF melee a wiz if you invest equally in STR and Dex, while this build is not optimal, sure to the very low SP a Wizzy gets SOMETHING has to be done to even the playing field, I picked up 14 STR so I could S&B it and that works very effectively for me and I can conserve SP to buff you silly tanks. Would you rather I carried a scepter and then run out of SP and do 1-3 dmg per hit? Remember this time-honored adage: A spell caster with no Spell points is an oddly dressed bystander at best.

Sorry to play devil's advocate, I like to come in late to discussions, offer already articulated advice and then raise controversial issues.

Hmm sorry - I think thats a lame excuse often used by a rogue who hasn't got the right stats and items for the job. A noob rogue on their first or second run thro the quest maybe I cud understand, but unfortunately the boxes in DDO rarely change location so any rogue worth their salt should be finding traps boxes if they are there. You still see the animation whether AOE or othe spells are going off. All tho spot is not a necessary max stat anymore, some spot skill of some note for a decent trapmonkey should still warn you so you should have no need to end up running thro it even if AOE spells or such are going on better still if mobs are being aggroed, use the traps against them, pull them thro it and then clear them out before attempting to disarm it.

Clerics can use RD scrolls at lvl 8 but TBH if he/she is having to use them so early on in game then maybe question party makeup, tactics or maybe toon builds are't really up to the task (yet). I run 3 clerics and a FVS and over the years I've seen how pricey stuff is and how Clerics are often relied upon to keep spending on pots, wand and scrolls. However you quickly learn if the party is overly heal intensive or dieing alot, then maybe there is an underlying issue which no matter how many scrolls or wands you thro at it, the problem will remain. Therefore use the shrines given to you, think tacticaly and if the dump stat Barby wants to zerg of and ignore you even after dieing 3 or 4 times, then teach them the hard way and leave them where they fall or if ur feeling particularly annoyed with them - pick their stone up then proceeed to drop it as far away from a shrine as you can be bothered :)

A TWF STR14 melee Wiz.. ok each to their own I guess. But when ur comment on forsaking that and playing S&B or maybe even a proper Wiz means running out of SP.. sorry I have to question how you use your SP.
If your holding Sceptors then maybe your trying to play the WIZ role and as such you shouldnt be running out of SP so easily and even if you do you surely have some wands/scrolls to back you up, if you so desire. Or maybe you are just being over zealous with ur SP in the first place cos your kill counting. If so maybe try using that ultimate of Wiz abilities - spell flexibility. Yes a Wiz has a uncanny knack of being able to load the right spells up for the quest before you go in, or even after you shrine. Theres nothing better for a grp to be able to run thro an Elite Deleras for example knowing that the Wiz has Halt Undead loaded along with a Haste and a trusty old Firewall that can make the clerics job so much easier and let the melee run riot, knowing thos little suckers cant fight back. Even a melee Wiz has the ability to CC then if u feel the urge and the red mist rises in ur eyes, jump in and offer a bit of tuff luv - swords or sceptors alike.

You just have to think about tactics both as a grp and as an individual no matter which class / toon build you use.

[Rydin_Dirtay]

You Might Be Gimp, if...

> you're a ranger and ask if anyone has any arrows.
> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them.
> you complain to another guild how bad your guild is but won't leave it.
> you're a healer with a full SP bar and your party is dead.
> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)
> The group has to keep coming to retrieve your stone because you "solo this quest all the time".
> You're playing a TWF Melee-Wiz...
> Halfway into Shroud you explain your full SP bar by announcing you aren't healing because you're a "Battle-Cleric"
> Your "Tank" toon gets one shotted by a mob crit because "two-weapon defense is bugged".
> Lesser Reincarnation "chose your classes for you".
> you are the group leader of an epic quest and then ask, can someone guide me to the entrance I have not done this one before?

Sadly most if not all of these experiences has happened in DDO.


Some of these are not "gimp". They are just "bad play", or "newb".

Not sure why some of them made a "gimp" list???

[Lissyl]

Hmm sorry - I think thats a lame excuse often used by a rogue who hasn't got the right stats and items for the job. A noob rogue on their first or second run thro the quest maybe I cud understand, but unfortunately the boxes in DDO rarely change location so any rogue worth their salt should be finding traps boxes if they are there. You still see the animation whether AOE or othe spells are going off. All tho spot is not a necessary max stat anymore, some spot skill of some note for a decent trapmonkey should still warn you so you should have no need to end up running thro it even if AOE spells or such are going on better still if mobs are being aggroed, use the traps against them, pull them thro it and then clear them out before attempting to disarm it.



I have run every single quest in the game from level 1 to current level on my rogue, and on my myriads of characters before her, and I STILL don't know where more than half the boxes are in this game. Add on top of that that my biggest problem is not 'not detecting' them, or searching for them...its that I detect them from so god-awful far away. On average, I have to take 5-7 steps before my search will reveal the box...and then its usually another 2-3 steps TO the box. Now, this isn't ~always~ true, as some DC's are higher than others. But more often than not, its dead on. So yeah...I usually need a spotter, just to save the group time. If they don't mind waiting, though, I'll always find it. It took a hard difficulty in a quest that was base 3 levels above me to require my Skills boost, with no heroism, no fox cunning or anything else along with it.

[bandyman1]

I just 'had' to reply to this one.

I suppose rolling a 1 with a beholder in your face is being gimp.

Nope.

But fighting beholders at level 8 without a deathblock item/beholder optics makes one so ;).

He DID say " PK'd, Fingered, or Destructed "

[PopeJual]

Hmm sorry - I think thats a lame excuse often used by a rogue who hasn't got the right stats and items for the job. A noob rogue on their first or second run thro the quest maybe I cud understand, but unfortunately the boxes in DDO rarely change location so any rogue worth their salt should be finding traps boxes if they are there. You still see the animation whether AOE or othe spells are going off. All tho spot is not a necessary max stat anymore, some spot skill of some note for a decent trapmonkey should still warn you so you should have no need to end up running thro it even if AOE spells or such are going on better still if mobs are being aggroed, use the traps against them, pull them thro it and then clear them out before attempting to disarm it.

When I splashed Rogue into my Wizard, I had enough skill points for Search and for Disable Device, but I did not have enough skill points to throw them into Search unless I wanted to give up two other class skills that could help me out.

So, my spot is poor. If I know where a trap is, then I can search for it. If I don't know where a trap is, my spot isn't going to find it for me. Would you rather have me search every 3 feet of the quest so that it takes us 45 minutes to finish a 10 minute quest? Or would you rather that someone who knows where the traps are point them out so that I can disarm the important traps and ignore anything that we don't need?

I could build a Rogue splash that can get every trap in the game on Elite while ignoring everyhting in the game that isn't a trap. Or I can build a Rogue splash that can still get every trap in the game on Elite with a little help from appropriate buffs while still maintaining other skills like killing stuff in combat, not dying in combat, killing opponents, combat crowd control, killing enemies and generally slaughtering things in combat.

Letting go of Spot helped quite a bit with the "not dying" part since one of the skills that I put points into was Balance. I now spend less than 1/2 hour on my back when I get knocked over by a dog and that wasn't always the case. :)

[Fenrisulven6]

I have run every single quest in the game from level 1 to current level on my rogue, and on my myriads of characters before her, and I STILL don't know where more than half the boxes are in this game. Add on top of that that my biggest problem is not 'not detecting' them, or searching for them...its that I detect them from so god-awful far away. On average, I have to take 5-7 steps before my search will reveal the box...and then its usually another 2-3 steps TO the box. Now, this isn't ~always~ true, as some DC's are higher than others. But more often than not, its dead on.

I see this alot with new rogues in PUGs. They have the spot and search skills, but the trap box dynamics is at odds with the speed of play.

I still wish they would speed the search animation to level.

[Newtons_Apple]

You might be a gimp if you suggest that a Paladin dump CON for WIS...

[NaturalHazard]

your only 5 minutes into the quest and the cleric, favoured soul, ranger, and the pally all have 0 sp from healing and raising your gimped @$$.

[NaturalHazard]

your only 5 minutes into the quest and the cleric, favoured soul, ranger, and the pally all have 0 sp from healing and raising your gimped @$$.

Though they might be gimped too, being stupid enough to waste so much sp on a lost cause.

[Targoth1]

You Might Be Gimp, if...



You have forgotten what teamwork is.

[Resilian]

You Might Be Gimp, if...

> you're a ranger

ftfy

[Feylina]

wow this got long :)

oo oo i got one.

you might be a gimp if you need to party before level 10 (not including purist wiz / sorc / healers / cc bards :) )

mebe it's just me, but lately all i've been running are melee's and that's easy mode to level 10 without a party. little pricey pot wise but at least i don't get pug headaches.

[NaturalHazard]

wow this got long :)



oo oo i got one.

you might be a gimp if you need to party before level 10 (not including purist wiz / sorc / healers / cc bards :) )

mebe it's just me, but lately all i've been running are melee's and that's easy mode to level 10 without a party. little pricey pot wise but at least i don't get pug headaches.

yeah well it might be a little harder for a new player on their first toon maybe to do this?

[Holymosher]

well whoever made this thread i just think takes the game way to serious, not hating if this is just a fun joke, but if its serious man, gotta stop taking this game so serious, to many ppl take it way to serious now, its hard to find ppl who just want to enjoy there time and have fun, like what happenened to ppl?

[ThePrincipal]

You might be a gimp if... you started this thread.

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

You might be a gimp if...

you only read the first post in the thread and reply that the OP is too serious, without actually reading any of the parts where he says he's joking... :p (yes, I know I had kind of a serious reply myself, but I DID state that perhaps my sense of humor is gimped anyway! :D )


I still wish they would speed the search animation to level.

You know...I never thought of this before, but that would be a great idea, IMO, though perhaps I'd have it tied to the ranks of search skill rather than character level. OR tie it to rogue level, giving pure rogues a leg up on splashes...nice thought tho!

[kitsune_ko]

When running new quests, or old quests I do not remember well with my char, I do need people to tell me where traps are. This however is due to that my char was made back when the Spot skill was defective. Since I always had no problems spotting traps, I had never bothered to increase my spot level past 10. When they finally fixed Spot so it worked normally, I could no longer detect boxes unless running on normal usually.

So while I can still search and disarm, unless somone tells me otherwise usually the first I know about a trap is when I run though it.

Guess that makes me a gimp as well.


Kit

[Fetchi]

You might be gimp if you accept the rez in the trap you just died in or in front of the ogre who just smashed your face =)

[Thrudh]

Guess that makes me a gimp as well.


Yes, yes it does... :)

I'd be embarrased if I couldn't spot traps on my rogue. Do a lesser reincarnation and fix that spot skill...

[Drfirewater79]

Originally Posted by shores11 View Post
You Might Be Gimp, if...

> you're a rogue and say if you tell me where the traps are I'll disable them.
> as a level 8 cleric you say "I do not have raise dead yet". (have you not heard of scrolls)

Sadly most if not all of these experiences has happened in DDO.


1) Admitting this is your first time in a quest does not make your rogue a gimp. Not being able to do them once told where they are does!

2) Been playing since day 1. I have never ever need a rez scroll on any of my clerics ever. Carry a SP pot they are cheaper or sp giving item. As for level 8 the party can get over it. If people are dieing in level 8 quests there are bigger problems than that you don't have a scroll that you most likely would not have at that level unless you bought it off the AH.

1) Being a rouge and not being able to spot traps = gimp ... if you need help finding trap box ... not gimp ...

if you ask about where the trap box is ... not a gimp ... if your idea of finding a trap on your rouge is run in circles till you hear "BING" you have died = gimp

2) res scrolls are not cheap ... but they are cheaper then sp pots ... i carry at least 10 res scrolls on all my characters even the ones with no UMD ... just in case the healer runs out ...

not saying everyone should carry 10 res scrolls ... but a lvl 8 cleric needs them cause he cannot use spell points to rez ... and he is the only memeber of the party that can use them. AND there are alot of lvl 8 quests and higher that lvl 8 characters run and die from time to time ... its doesnt mean they suck or that the cleric sucks .. .sometimes its bad luck ... and bad luck is exactly why you should always carry res scrolls on a healer of any kind ... cause bad luck will leave you with no sp no shrines and no sp pots and no TP ... then your only option is to spend serious money on TP and buy pots or fail ... and failing cause someone didnt want to be prepared is a good way to be considered (even if falsely) a gimped healer.

[Drfirewater79]

When running new quests, or old quests I do not remember well with my char, I do need people to tell me where traps are. This however is due to that my char was made back when the Spot skill was defective. Since I always had no problems spotting traps, I had never bothered to increase my spot level past 10. When they finally fixed Spot so it worked normally, I could no longer detect boxes unless running on normal usually.

So while I can still search and disarm, unless somone tells me otherwise usually the first I know about a trap is when I run though it.

Guess that makes me a gimp as well.


Kit

no it doesnt make you a gimp it makes you a perfect target for TR campain marketing and lesser reincarnation marketing ...

by the way .. if your paying a sub fee getting 500 TP a month and have a character who is considered a gimp cause he cannot do his job .... and in 3-4 months you cannot save up 850 TP or what ever it costs for a lesser +0 reincarnation ....

gimp is the least of your problems :P

[Drfirewater79]

wow this got long :)

oo oo i got one.

you might be a gimp if you need to party before level 10 (not including purist wiz / sorc / healers / cc bards :) )

mebe it's just me, but lately all i've been running are melee's and that's easy mode to level 10 without a party. little pricey pot wise but at least i don't get pug headaches.

lol I got two in reply

you might be a gimp if you need a party after lvl 10 as a melee (both my monk and pure THF dwarven fighter both solo amrath quests)

you might be a gimp if you NEED a hireling ....

oh and one more for the road (note i am just picking on you not trying to push buttons :P )

you might be a gimp if you cannot fight your way through a bad pug ...

[Arness]

I would guess that's becuase you just called a large group of people, many of whom may simply be learning this game as they go "Gimps"

I am leveling my first cleric at the moment, and I did not know that at level 8 I could use Healing scrolls. I had only levelled up the previous night and was in a pug when someone asked (early into the quest) if I had any. I said I didn't know I could use them, they kindly explained and gave me a stack to use in the quest. At the end I offered that player the unused ones back (think we only needed 1) and he said "No worries keep em I always carry a pile to give to the healers". Since then I bought a load more and allways keep the stack topped up even though I now cast Res.

By your definition I "Might be a gimp". Yeah thanks for that :-)

I can't really tell whether you are posting this purely for a laugh or if you are serious. if it's the former then fine
if it's the latter then perhaps a more educational tone would gather you better responses.

Regards
Wolf

I was in the same boat. Didn't know that I could use scrolls with a reduced chance of the spell going off if I was underleveled for the spell. Found out when I was in a quest and someone kept asking for a rez. Some kind soul gave me the scroll to cast the rez.

[Arness]

You might be gimped if:

You completely dump con so you can raise str +2 to get the extra +1 attack and +1 damage.
You're leader of a party and ask "what house is this quest in again?"
You're at the end fight in TOD and don't put your boots on.
You blame the cleric for dying from being one shotted.
You constantly zerg ahead and die several times from traps.
And last but not least, you get offended easily by a "You might be gimped" thread.

This made me laugh. Can't remember what the quest was, but one player, not a tank, was constantly zerging ahead, not waiting for the rogue. Yup. That player found the traps alright - and would end up at 1/2 health because of them.

[Dunfalach]

> you might be a gimp if you need a party after lvl 10 as a melee (both my monk and pure THF dwarven fighter both solo amrath quests)

One thing about these 'I can solo it' arguments, too, is what difficulty level and character level the person means. I know the poster of this line was just poking fun, but I do find myself wondering when the I can solo it line gets trotted out....with what char at what difficulty? There's a lot of difference between being able to solo a quest on casual with your level 20 multi-reincarnated toon, vs being able to solo the same quest on elite with your at-level toon.

Ah, communication. Just yesterday I joined a quest with a PUG where absolutely everything went wrong. Complete party wipe. A leader (rogue) who's only communication on starting was "I got this side". A party who, except for me, followed him anyway. I stayed at the intersection, because I'd been left to die behind a trap by him doing the same quest on hard. In retrospect, bad judgment on my part to go in again at all, but I was hoping a full party and not going down the lightning trap side would mitigate matters, and there were very few groups available and I was trying hard to earn XP to level. The next communication from the leader was curse words followed by 'stop pulling dmg to me' or something similar. By that point, I was rather busy myself, as the leader and the rest of the party had managed to green alert the dungeon and a little flood of enemies had swarmed out of the other half of the quest to find me standing alone in the intersection. I managed to knock out a little more than half before a crit took me to -8. The rest of the party had already wiped, and one had already abandoned the group when the leader made a parting comment of "I could solo this better than with a group lol" and left the group, followed by everyone else except myself and the dead bard who was apparently no longer at the keys to leave. Since the enemies had wandered off by this time, I recovered finally back upright and gave the bard the courtesy of waiting a few minutes to see if he would reappear, then abandoned as well. What I *am* proud of is not saying anything mean on channel. I wanted to do so. But, yes. A little time spent to communicate the nature of the quest and arrange a strategy, and a lot of pain might have been avoided for all concerned.

[Llewndyn]

Hmm sorry - I think thats a lame excuse often used by a rogue who hasn't got the right stats and items for the job. A noob rogue on their first or second run thro the quest maybe I cud understand, but unfortunately the boxes in DDO rarely change location so any rogue worth their salt should be finding traps boxes if they are there. You still see the animation whether AOE or othe spells are going off. All tho spot is not a necessary max stat anymore, some spot skill of some note for a decent trapmonkey should still warn you so you should have no need to end up running thro it even if AOE spells or such are going on better still if mobs are being aggroed, use the traps against them, pull them thro it and then clear them out before attempting to disarm it.

You just have to think about tactics both as a grp and as an individual no matter which class / toon build you use.

I challenge you to run Tomb of the Shadow crypt (or whatever the first mission in Necro 2 is) and find all the CPs in there your first or second run through. Also ran some mission in Gianthold and got the same thing - control panels will be behind rocks, walls, other side of the door through a force trap (VoN 3) through a ton of whirring blades of death (VoN5) or friggin anywhere. If you have not run the mission MULTIPLE times, you do not know where they are or where they will come up. I was not referring to missions you have run more than 2 or 3 times. If you are a rogue who has run a mission 5 times and you still can't find the control panels, being gimped is the least of your worries.

"You still see the animation whether AOE or othe spells are going off." Really? If you can see a control panel hidden on the other side of a wall going off through glitterdust, firewall and multiple fireballs going off then maybe DDO isn't for you, your talents are clearly being wasted. my spot is PLENTY high (at level 11 it was 38), DD/OL/Search are all right around that same number, so me not seeing the box was not the problem. I can't remember the mission name (help me out if anyone knows) but that mission in Gianthold I had my spot going off on traps that were on the other side of the friggin wall with no doors or archways to get to them....And me in RL not seeing the CP going off because of all the bright pretty colors is not going to be helped by upping my spot in game, and THAT's where most rogues miss the CP, not because they have poor stats. If that has never happened to you as a rogue then I humbly bow before you.

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

I challenge you to run Tomb of the Shadow crypt (or whatever the first mission in Necro 2 is) and find all the CPs in there your first or second run through. Also ran some mission in Gianthold and got the same thing - control panels will be behind rocks, walls, other side of the door through a force trap (VoN 3) through a ton of whirring blades of death (VoN5) or friggin anywhere. If you have not run the mission MULTIPLE times, you do not know where they are or where they will come up. I was not referring to missions you have run more than 2 or 3 times. If you are a rogue who has run a mission 5 times and you still can't find the control panels, being gimped is the least of your worries.


ahh, but that leads us to this:


You might be a gimp if...



...you have not run every quest 3 or more times. :D (guilty!)

[Phidius]

I challenge you to run Tomb of the Shadow crypt (or whatever the first mission in Necro 2 is) and find all the CPs in there your first or second run through.
...

I believe you're thinking of the Tomb of the Shadow Knight - amazing XP for getting all of those traps.

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

I believe you're thinking of the Tomb of the Shadow Knight - amazing XP for getting all of those traps.

!!!! SHHHHHH !!!! :eek:


...we don't want to have anyone come by and try to nerf it....

:p

[NaturalHazard]

You might be gimp if you accept the rez in the trap you just died in or in front of the ogre who just smashed your face =)

lol at this ive seen it happen so many times!!