Anybody here wear Concordant Opposition?

[PopeJual]

I was thinking that the spell points pretty worthless for a Barbarian unless the Barbarian had a really odd multiclass, but the free HP from getting hit seems pretty nice.

I also heard a rumor that the self-damage from Frenzy might also trigger the Concordant Opposition. Does anyone know if this is true?

If so, then I imagine that a Concordant Opposition item, might proc nearly as often as a Raident Servant's aura.


Any thoughts?

[eulogy098]

I use a conc op cape on my WF barb, best guard in game imo.

I also have Salt, disintegration, earthgrab, crushing wave and lightnign strike and none of them compare to the usefulness of conc op for both solo play and raid tanking.

[soupertc]

No I don't wear one nor will I ever make one. I've dabbled with the idea for sometime....but wasting 24 larges and only getting 50% of the usefulness out of the item doesn't make sense to me. I've main tanked all the raid bosses in game and been healer to many a barb with or without items in raids and I never said "Man I wish this guy had Concord Opp like that other Barb!!! My life would be so much easier." and I can tell ya I don't think it's worth it.....sure it's nice to see the proc couple times....but I would craft something else myself.

About the beserker damage proc the HP's....not sure....but I highly doubt it.


Oh and my Sig below has said that for about 3 months now. I didn't change it cause of this thread!!!!

[eulogy098]

conc op procs equate to about 2dr/-. now if the cloak said 2dr/- that stacks with your 9dr/- would you consider it valuable? i reckon so.


even so you arnt using "only 50% of it" as you are fully using that 45 hp, 6 wisdom for will save. there are no +45 hp shroud items of greater value.

[redraider]

Concordant Op for a Barb? No way. Spend those larges on a Disintigration or Lightning Strike guard.

Concorndant Op doesn't even come close to keeping up with hits even when you are getting hit by things like the rats outside of Meridia.

Con Op is caster use only in my opinion.

[SaisMatters]

Concordant Op for a Barb? No way. Spend those larges on a Disintigration or Lightning Strike guard.

Concorndant Op doesn't even come close to keeping up with hits even when you are getting hit by things like the rats outside of Meridia.

Con Op is caster use only in my opinion.

Than your not thinking outside the box! I know alot of Intimi tanks and a/c builds carrying Concorodant Op.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

You know tanks and AC builds that have conc op? Why on earth would a tank much less an AC build make a conc op item? Isn't the point to those builds to not get hit? Not getting hit means that's as good as wearing a garbage bag in yer cloak slot.

Conc op procs at such a crappy rate, not to mention it's HPs OR SPs. So when it does proc you may be getting the useless SP portion.

You want extra HPs get a bunch of GH and Aid clickies.

Go freezing ice or earthgrab. Barbs DPS, you max that potential. That's when a barb shines. Well, as much as a barb can shine nowadays.

[SaisMatters]

For the reasons Eulogy has stated above.

[soupertc]

conc op procs equate to about 2dr/-. now if the cloak said 2dr/- that stacks with your 9dr/- would you consider it valuable? i reckon so.


even so you arnt using "only 50% of it" as you are fully using that 45 hp, 6 wisdom for will save. there are no +45 hp shroud items of greater value.


Than your not thinking outside the box! I know alot of Intimi tanks and a/c builds carrying Concorodant Op.

Most people I know who have a Shroud HP item have made it a Min 2. I made mine a Lighting Strike Necklace myself....and the +3 to will saves ya get from having +6 to Wisdom isn't really an issue(not to mention there are many ways to get +6 Wisdom alot cheaper). I can't remember the last time I failed a Will save on my Barb. So if ya want to spend 24 larges on a item that gives ya 2 DR go for it....but it's not needed and I can think of many other things I would make instead.

Listen if your a Monk....I get it.....even a Ranger....sure you get to consolidate items and get a little perk too. But if your a Barb and have close to 800 to 900 HP all Raged and Buffed up the need for it is pretty small IMO. The cleric is gonna hit ya with a full heal anyway...so what's the point? Now healing AMP is nice.....but I doubt having Concord Opp on a tank is a must have like I have heard from people.

[davidcampa]

I was thinking that the spell points pretty worthless for a Barbarian unless the Barbarian had a really odd multiclass, but the free HP from getting hit seems pretty nice.

I also heard a rumor that the self-damage from Frenzy might also trigger the Concordant Opposition. Does anyone know if this is true?

If so, then I imagine that a Concordant Opposition item, might proc nearly as often as a Raident Servant's aura.


Any thoughts?


You have lots of peep here with opinions on this item that never made one. here is a video of it proccing hit points on an AC Tank.

(You can see my hitpoints clearly effected by only one of my con op items, although peeps will complain that they can not see the 30 orthons)

Keep In mind I would not recomend it being your first greensteel item but when you have made all the other ones you need Than why not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grQxHVMX63E

[davidcampa]

You know tanks and AC builds that have conc op? Why on earth would a tank much less an AC build make a conc op item? Isn't the point to those builds to not get hit? Not getting hit means that's as good as wearing a garbage bag in yer cloak slot.

Conc op procs at such a crappy rate, not to mention it's HPs OR SPs. So when it does proc you may be getting the useless SP portion.

You want extra HPs get a bunch of GH and Aid clickies.

Go freezing ice or earthgrab. Barbs DPS, you max that potential. That's when a barb shines. Well, as much as a barb can shine nowadays.


You should watch this, I am well over 80 AC here and the Hit point part of the con op Has been procced non stop.

It is a common mistake of most peeps on the forums to say it does not work on an AC Tank.

With Grazing hits it is very nice and I only use it to keep my hitpoints topped off, Spell points is nice as well for a pally or caster.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grQxHVMX63E

I hope This Helps

[Goldeneye]

Shade's barbarian: Axer wears Conc Opp greensteel gloves.
Easily one of the top, if not the most well geared barbarians in the game.

[Hydro]

Biggest waste of 5 scales I have ever made. I am going to assume it goes off more then I see but for the cost and the lack of a fun gaurd I would not reccomend it to anyone.

If you are going to spend 5 scales I reccomend getting a cool gaurd, something that has a wow effect when it goes off. If not just spend 2 or 3 scales for a hp item and get earth or air gaurd.

[soupertc]

Shade's barbarian: Axer wears Conc Opp greensteel gloves.
Easily one of the top, if not the most well geared barbarians in the game.

While I agree with ya he is well geared...you take his gloves off and replace em with something else no one is gonna notice much of a diffrence.

[soupertc]

You have lots of peep here with opinions on this item that never made one.


I think your making the mistake of people not making them on Barbs. I have one on my cleric....and yes I've seen the proc rate and I still don't don't think it's a good idea for a Barb.

[TFPAQ]

Put it on a Tukaw build and you have the makings of a phenom build (with guards, etc). However, the Tukaw build works (or is optimized I should say) due to intensive gearing, which is where the con-op comes into play as well.

It is a lot of larges ...

[Lorz]

I cant think of a single toon that cannot benefit from Con-Op.
As stated not a first craft item...but for a lot of us...if your still worrying over 24 larges...then your not playing enough.....


:)

But im also big on Bunny helmets.....

and UGLY armor :)

[TFPAQ]

I cant think of a single toon that cannot benefit from Con-Op.
As stated not a first craft item...but for a lot of us...if your still worrying over 24 larges...then your not playing enough.....


:)

But im also big on Bunny helmets.....

and UGLY armor :)

If you don't worry about burning 24 larges, you need to get out into RL for a while ...

[Stormslinger]

I use one on my barb and like it though it was my 4 piece of gs on him.


If you are turtleing at all with a CO, Demon Consort Bracers and a lifesheild thrower with a sheild you pretty much get HP back with every swing and your guards dps.


I would not recommend if your toons are short on GS though.

[mediocresurgeon]

You know tanks and AC builds that have conc op? Why on earth would a tank much less an AC build make a conc op item? Isn't the point to those builds to not get hit? Not getting hit means that's as good as wearing a garbage bag in yer cloak slot.

Conc op procs at such a crappy rate, not to mention it's HPs OR SPs. So when it does proc you may be getting the useless SP portion.

This guy obviously has no idea how Concordant Opposition works.
You have a chance to proc temp HP when you are struck by a physical attack. The physical attack does not have to actually deal you any damage. This is a 4% chance (1 out of 25 incoming hits).
You have a chance to proc SP when you are dealt damage. This does not have to be a physical attack; it works with vicious and spells like fireball. This is a 4% chance (1 out of 25 times you are dealt damage).
The SP and HP portions of Concordant Opposition proc independently, and one does not require the other.

As a side note, AC builds benefit from the HP portion of Conc Opp because of grazing hits on higher difficulties. A Conc Opp item can mitigate the chip damage they receive, especially when paired with damage reduction of some form. But that's not what this thread is about.


Concordant Op for a Barb? No way. Spend those larges on a Disintigration or Lightning Strike guard.

I agree that Disintegration and Lightning Storm Guard are higher priority for a barbarian than Concordant Opposition. And supposing you have these already, you should work on Corrosive Salt and Crushing Wave (in that order). You should really only consider Concordant Opposition once you have all of these (assuming you still have the necessary equipment slots).

Barbarians are about killing things fast, not mitigating incoming damage. Spend your resources on DPS first, damage mitigation second.

[Phidius]

Did he really just ask a room full of hairy, sweaty barbarians what they're wearing?? :eek:

[soupertc]

Did he really just ask a room full of hairy, sweaty barbarians what they're wearing?? :eek:

he broke the ice for ya.....don't act like you didn't want him to!!

[Cam_Neely]

I cant think of a single toon that cannot benefit from Con-Op.
As stated not a first craft item...but for a lot of us...if your still worrying over 24 larges...then your not playing enough.....




But im also big on Bunny helmets.....

and UGLY armor


If you don't worry about burning 24 larges, you need to MAIL ME SOME...

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[Forzah]

I made a +6 will save helmet (6 wis, +3 exceptional) with concordant opposition. It's a nice way to fit in more will save and the extra hp is pretty nice, especially when solo'ing. With the right buffs I hit a will save in the mid-high thirties. Not bad for a barb.

[Arcticwarrior]

no to conc op, I use disintegrate and x2 magma surge guards, one of which I'm trying to change to corrosive salt guard