TR into pure TWF Paladin

[karl_k0ch]

I'm currently leveling a Human 28pt THF paladin and I do have access to drow. I don't have any capped chars or tomes, so the question is purely hypothetical.

Does a TR increase the DPS and/or survivability of a TWF Paladin significantly?

If yes, is Human 34pt better than a 30pt Drow*? What is a good stat split? (Of course, this question cannot be easily answered with unknow tome amount.)

Which classes are best to reincarnate from? Are Paladin, Rogue or Bard particulary bad choices?

Edit: * With which I meant a drow with 30 free build points to distribute, technically being a 34pt build as well.

[ragingfungus]

first off tring is never a significant increase yet it is an increase(tring from a pal would be 5% healing recieved i believe and the 2 extra stats nothing major). second off drow is always 32 points a trd one would be 34 i dont know where you got 30 from. and lastly drow is better for a pure dps twf build pretty much always due to the charisma boost. This page has a great deal of info in it for any paladin and if you scroll down to the basic build section has your 20 pure pal drow twf build http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=218542.
Str: 15 + 5 level ups (+6 item, +2 tome, +3 exceptional= 30, 32 with a +3 tome)
Dex: 16 (+1 tome qualifies for twf)
Con: 12 (+6 item, +2 tome for 20)
Int: 10 (2 skill points; +2 tome helps for extra)
Wis: 8 (+2 tome and +6 item is 16)
Cha: 17 (+3 tome for divine might 3; 26-28 charisma equipped)
these are the stat layouts for the build.

[karl_k0ch]

With 30pt Drow I meant that you have 30 build points to distribute. I am aware of the fact that Drow are technically already 32pt characters, thus having also 34 net build points for a TR'ed drow. I will refer from now on to the net build points you have and not the free build points you can distribute to avoid confusion. I read over Junts' Guide before, but I was not able to find any information regarding true reincarnation in it.

If I am not mistaken, the stat split you are proposing is for a non-Tr'ed character, where drow clearly have an advantage (even over 32 pt humans) by having +2 Dex and +2 Cha. The thing I am interested about is if a bump to 34 build points levels this advantage or if drow is still the race of choice.

So, Tr'ing from Pally into Pally is the best choice? (a list of the past life feats can be found here, btw: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=214556)

[Gercho]

I'm currently leveling a Human 28pt THF paladin and I do have access to drow. I don't have any capped chars or tomes, so the question is purely hypotherical.

Does a TR increase the DPS and/or survivability of a TWF Paladin significantly?

If yes, is Human 34pt better than a 30pt Drow*? What is a good stat split? (Of course, this question cannot be easily answered with unknow tome amount.)

Which classes are best to reincarnate from? Are Paladin, Rogue or Bard particulary bad choices?

Edit: * With which I meant a drow with 30 free build points to distribute, technically being a 34pt build as well.

well, the fact that when you tr you will have enough build points to go twf instead of thf, means that you will get more dps with your paladin, for 34 points i would go human rather than drow (30 points), but they are close anyway, if human go:

16
15 (need +2 tome for itwf)
14
8
8
16 (+2 tome for dm III eventually +4 tome for DM IV)

if drow go:

16
16 (need +1 tome for itwf)
12
10
8
17 (+1 tome for dmIII eventually +3 tome for dmIV)

So, drow is a little more tome friendly, but the human will have 20 to 40 more hp's, 1 more str, khopesh... i would pick human, but as i said, is a close call...

[ragingfungus]

With 30pt Drow I meant that you have 30 build points to distribute. I am aware of the fact that Drow are technically already 32pt characters, thus having also 34 net build points for a TR'ed drow. I will refer from now on to the net build points you have and not the free build points you can distribute to avoid confusion. I read over Junts' Guide before, but I was not able to find any information regarding true reincarnation in it.

If I am not mistaken, the stat split you are proposing is for a non-Tr'ed character, where drow clearly have an advantage (even over 32 pt humans) by having +2 Dex and +2 Cha. The thing I am interested about is if a bump to 34 build points levels this advantage or if drow is still the race of choice.

So, Tr'ing from Pally into Pally is the best choice? (a list of the past life feats can be found here, btw: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=214556)

ahh sry about the 30 point confusion, and no tring from pally would not be the best choice for damage I simply thought thats what you were doing. I would likely go with monk. Also I would still make the character drow as needing a +4 tome to get dm 4 on a human can be hard to come by. This is of course assuming you are going for a absolute max dps build and dont want to exchange any in trade for survivability. Im currently lvling a human twf paladin 18/2 but it is sacrificing about 5-10% dps for self healing and evasion which is something you may not want to do seeing as you are going pure.

I would do the exact same stat layout as I listed above just bump either str for dmg, con for health, or int for an extra skill point per lvl. Really just depends on what you want more out of, your choice really :)

[whomhead]

16 (+2 tome for dm III eventually +4 tome for DM IV)


I just want to point out that it is almost certainly a worthy trade-off to put one level-up point into charisma instead of strength. This opens up DMIV with just a +3 tome, which is much more accessible than a +4. Of course, if you've got a +4 Cha tome ready and waiting, then it is better, if only slightly, to go strength with all 5. Probably best to put that charisma point in at level 20, and only if you're planning to hang out farming for a while.

[KKDragonLord]

I just want to point out that it is almost certainly a worthy trade-off to put one level-up point into charisma instead of strength. This opens up DMIV with just a +3 tome, which is much more accessible than a +4. Of course, if you've got a +4 Cha tome ready and waiting, then it is better, if only slightly, to go strength with all 5. Probably best to put that charisma point in at level 20, and only if you're planning to hang out farming for a while.

Pally enhancements are very costly and DMIV isn't always the best option, its generally a good idea to plan out all desired enhancements before investing heavily into it.

[whomhead]

Pally enhancements are very costly and DMIV isn't always the best option, its generally a good idea to plan out all desired enhancements before investing heavily into it.

4AP spent to get +2 stacking damage for each hand whenever you want it? That sounds like one heck of a good deal to me. Well worth the stat point, the +3 tome, and the 4AP spent to get it.

I do agree with you that it is a good idea to plan out enhancements beforehand. But that is just good advice, not particularly pertinent to the discussion at hand.

[KKDragonLord]

4AP spent to get +2 stacking damage for each hand whenever you want it? That sounds like one heck of a good deal to me. Well worth the stat point, the +3 tome, and the 4AP spent to get it.

Well yeah that is true, sry.
I forgot TWF pallys have extra benefits