A REAL VIP perk

[HarveyMilk]

Reduce all timers by half or two days for VIP players. This would make VIP the hardcore option it should be. Lots of people really only like raiding in this game, and this would be a real win-win change.

/sign this

Edit:

Upon reading the lack of support for this, I'm sure mostly from non-VIP players, I think the answer is to give a DDO store Premium option also. For 350 TP you buy something that turns off all your timers, raid/epic etc...

This gives micro-transaction players a higher quality option, which is what they always want, and lets VIP players use it too if they want to go on a raid/epic binge themselves.

Don't we want more control over our gameplay?

[Jay203]

no thx
that kind of benefit isn't exactly appealing for ALL players
paying a monthly fee so you can grind faster instead of less?

/not signed

[Junts]

Id pay for this feature :(

[Memnir]

/no

[Oolung]

/no

you forgot to put in a picture Mem ;)

Edit: I forgot, /No thanks

[Therilith]

/nah

[rdnckproud]

I already have a vip / premium account, but today I waited 3 hours to try to get logged in to my %!@*& server because it was too bloody crowded. How about they guarantee VIP account access to a login no matter HOW many people are on the server. THAT, imo should already be in place.

[Strik3r]

/no way pls

[samthedagger]

/nope

[timewalker]

I already have a vip / premium account, but today I waited 3 hours to try to get logged in to my %!@*& server because it was too bloody crowded. How about they guarantee VIP account access to a login no matter HOW many people are on the server. THAT, imo should already be in place.

it already is in place as i recall, vips get higher priority in the login queue....but what happens if there are 10000 vips in queue, well at any rate its not that the sever is acually full its a known bug that has been around for a while.

[Dysmetria]

Reduce all timers by half or two days for VIP players. This would make VIP the hardcore option it should be. Lots of people really only like raiding in this game, and this would be a real win-win change.

/sign thisTurbine can not in good conscience add any new perks to VIP accounts after they convinced many subscribers to convert to premium and new players to choose it initially for the last half a year and then some. The backlash would make the one regarding U5 look quite mild in comparison.




I already have a vip / premium account, but today I waited 3 hours to try to get logged in to my %!@*& server because it was too bloody crowded. How about they guarantee VIP account access to a login no matter HOW many people are on the server. THAT, imo should already be in place.Your server wasn't full. That is a bug that affects VIPs, Premiums, and F2Pers alike.

[Pyromaniac]

/not signed. Great way for Turbine to lose their premium player base completely.

[HarveyMilk]

I can't believe more people don't think this is a good idea. Premium players wouldn't have to be left out. Maybe there could be a TP purchase for the same effect.

[Relenthe]

but then it wouldn't be a vip perk would it? vip perks are something that premium players can't buy, such as being able to unlock adventures on hard from the start

[Scalion]

I think that would be too big a bonus for people and many premium players who basically bought all the content outright instead of paying a monthly fee would be extremely upset. Some players would rather 200 dollars upfront and own all the content instead of paying 15 dollars a month to get a free pass that expires if you don't pay. Nothing wrong with either method.

[learst]

/no

I'm not a big fan of raids, don't really see them as much of a deal. So it doesn't really give me any more value.

[Nott]

/no

I'm not a big fan of raids, don't really see them as much of a deal. So it doesn't really give me any more value.
Your reasoning justifies why you don't care about the proposal. Your reasoning does not justify "/no". Not that any of our opinions matter (it's Turbine's opinion that matters), but there's a big difference between "/no" and "/shrug whatever, it doesn't affect me".

You don't care much for raids, and that's fine for you. There must be other things in the game that you do care for (or you wouldn't be here, right?)... perhaps there are others that don't care for them or, at least, not with the same priority that you do. If you want an improvement, that someone else can't find flaw with (no unbalance as a result, no inconvenience to anyone who can just not take advantage of the improvement if they choose), would you prefer they reply "It won't help me, so i'm against it" (which is what your "/no" says), or would you prefer they silently move on to the next thread?

[theb]

The guild renown system may not have been designed poorly enough to totally destroy guild social cohesion. It may be necessary to desynchronize raid timers to totally ruin it.

Therefore, we'll probably see it next update.


/UNSIGNED

[jwdaniels]

The guild renown system may not have been designed poorly enough to totally destroy guild social cohesion. It may be necessary to desynchronize raid timers to totally ruin it.

Therefore, we'll probably see it next update.


/UNSIGNED

This. Having timers of multiple durations for the same raid causes situations with other players in the raid group that make it hard to adventure together. Not to mention the odd situation where you complete a raid the day before your sub runs out, forget to update the card on file, your card expires and your VIP account isn't renewed. Do they use the regular timer or the VIP timer to determine when you can do the raid again?

[Goldeneye]

Ouch, that would be awful,
I went premium, and put down $100 to buy everything I wanted.
I would not be happy if VIPs got lower raid timers.

[Jay203]

I can't believe more people don't think this is a good idea. Premium players wouldn't have to be left out. Maybe there could be a TP purchase for the same effect.

then what's the point of this thread...? >_>

[Redlotusninjagrl]

I do raid a lot and although I think this benefit would be great, I don't think it is very fair. It would be nice if VIP's got better bonuses as we are the steady income. I know planety of premium players spend money too, but it is more sporatic. Even as a VIP, when points go on sale I buy them up for mana and xp potions for when they go on sale (thanks for the 50% off!) and have bought some TR's and GR's when those were on sale too. I have probably spent close to $300 outside of my monthly fees over the last nine months. It would be nice to have some better perks. Opening on hard and having content a few days earlier, while nice, isn't really much of a perk to me. I think we get the monk, warforged race and shared bank too which is nice. And the TP isn't a good deal either. I don't want to have to think about buying content and keeping track of what I own which is why I don't go premium. I can afford the monthly fee so I perfer it for simplicity. But it would be nice to have some better perks though when I look at it on paper, it looks like we have it pretty good already. Reduced raid timers? I would love it, but I don't see that as being very fair.

[KKDragonLord]

I Agree VIPs should get an extra Perk (and i'm premium)

I Agree lower Raid timers would be something significant enough to justify VIP completely

I do not think it is a good idea though, no matter how beneficial that could be for grinding purposes, which might even not be a good thing in the end because it would strain the play time too hard for most people.

If the purpose and concept is to lower the grind, another option would be improving the odds of VIPs getting raid/unique loot. But maybe that isn't the way to go either.

Perhaps VIP could get more free stuff, like maybe, free quest guest passes, or a free new store item 2 weeks before the release to the public, a bunch of monthly free guild boat enhancements or free guild stuff like those crystals. Double duration for guild buffs, or make them not go away after death. A choice of store stuff per month, like teleport rods, ring of friends, bell of openings.

Its kinda like what Sony is doing with its new subscription service, giving away a bunch of "free stuff" that people might not even want but will sign up for because its "free".

Instead of curtailing sales, that actually generates interest in things that those people don't usually buy but get used to having.

[bubbazen]

A better VIP perk would allow us to trade plat for Store points to purchase Astral Diamonds and Guild Ship amenities. It really stinks that VIP's have to spend real money in order to get something that would have normally dropped from a chest or would be an end reward before the DDO store was created.

[jwdaniels]

I do raid a lot and although I think this benefit would be great, I don't think it is very fair. It would be nice if VIP's got better bonuses as we are the steady income. I know planety of premium players spend money too, but it is more sporatic. Even as a VIP, when points go on sale I buy them up for mana and xp potions for when they go on sale (thanks for the 50% off!) and have bought some TR's and GR's when those were on sale too. I have probably spent close to $300 outside of my monthly fees over the last nine months. It would be nice to have some better perks. Opening on hard and having content a few days earlier, while nice, isn't really much of a perk to me. I think we get the monk, warforged race and shared bank too which is nice. And the TP isn't a good deal either. I don't want to have to think about buying content and keeping track of what I own which is why I don't go premium. I can afford the monthly fee so I perfer it for simplicity. But it would be nice to have some better perks though when I look at it on paper, it looks like we have it pretty good already. Reduced raid timers? I would love it, but I don't see that as being very fair.

You forgot the six extra character slots, which is a HUGE benefit, and the "free" points every month.

[Redlotusninjagrl]

You are right. I did forget about the extra character slots, but I did mention the tp already. But this wasn't really a thread about how awesome (or lack thereof) being VIP is. I was suggesting in response to the OP that decreased raid timers for VIP's, though nice, would in my opinion be unfair. :)

[KKDragonLord]

A better VIP perk would allow us to trade plat for Store points to purchase Astral Diamonds and Guild Ship amenities. It really stinks that VIP's have to spend real money in order to get something that would have normally dropped from a chest or would be an end reward before the DDO store was created.

I do feel like the way things in ariship are devised as a means to continuously suck you out of TPs for the greater good of your guild, is a sleazy money grubbing system even if its just a means of paying for short term products in a timed fashion.

If VIP got those for plat, it would be discouraging for F2Ps and Premium to be the only suckers who have to pay into the system, and for those people TPs are much more valuable than the benefits provided.

[Kyln]

A better VIP perk would allow us to trade plat for Store points to purchase Astral Diamonds and Guild Ship amenities. It really stinks that VIP's have to spend real money in order to get something that would have normally dropped from a chest or would be an end reward before the DDO store was created.

You do get TPs monthly though right? I am not a VIP, so as a premium player I don't really know, but my impression was that you normally got free TP each month in addition to what you get through favor. This allows you to purchase diamonds, albeit at a slow rate, for no additional cash right?
I'm only curious here, as I only spend TP's so far on things like adventure packs, races, classes, etc. that either cannot be unlocked in game, or requires a favor level I don't want to wait for when the unlock is on sale for 50% off in the store. I have wondered if VIP's spend points on tomes, or reincarnations, etc., since many things are already unlocked.

[systemstate]

I'm all for any additional perks to VIP's, no matter what they are. There are some I would like more than others, but a perk is a perk. I don't care if it's a free +1 flaming sword of lesser kitten bane. It's still something else I get for my monthly subscription.

As for the non VIP-folks complaining about VIP's wanting more... If you make a choice not to subscribe, then why complain about what VIP members do or don't get- or even want to get for that matter?

The only way a VIP benefit is going to make any difference to a non VIP is if the perk somehow unbalances the game.

[Dysmetria]

As for the non VIP-folks complaining about VIP's wanting more... If you make a choice not to subscribe, then why complain about what VIP members do or don't get- or even want to get for that matter?Because many of us didn't just make a choice not to subscribe. We made a choice to pay more up front to buy the benefits of a subscription for life instead of renting it by the month based on the benefits and perks at the time.

[AyumiAmakusa]

/no

Because the Premium and the VIP people who do raids together all the time will now have a weird schedule.

[systemstate]

Because many of us didn't just make a choice not to subscribe. We made a choice to pay more up front to buy the benefits of a subscription for life instead of renting it by the month based on the benefits and perks at the time.

...Which is a choice to not subscribe.

[testing1234]

im against unbalancing items in the DDO store,
a VIP perk is someting you buy with real life money do not think it should be someting you cant get ingame

[Redlotusninjagrl]

...which Is A Choice To Not Subscribe.

Qft!!!

[Dysmetria]

...Which is a choice to not subscribe.Fair enough.

Likewise you made your choice to subscribe. If the few perks are no longer enough for you, feel free to choose to stop subscribing.

[Zzevel]

im against unbalancing items in the DDO store,
a VIP perk is someting you buy with real life money do not think it should be someting you cant get in game

The entire DDO store is a VIP perk in your definition, say a +1 Supreme Tome, you can buy that with real money can't you? If you can find it in the game let the rest of us know which quest to look in! or how about 1/2 the other store loot available that is Real money only? Isn't that a bit of the Pot calling the kettle black? If you want a VIP perk, you need to be a VIP plain and simple, either way it costs you money.. think of it as a prereq.

[Razcar]

While VIP really needs some perk added, I'm not sure this is it. I think it might be better to just give VIP's 1000 TPs a month instead of 500.

[flaggson]

absolutely... vip's need another perk... otherwise there wouldn't be so much incentive to make so many players go premium.. which probably constitutes a lot of the /no's that are appearing here... I say /yes... make a reason.. some reason... to actually be vip

and if your premium and you quit over it.. good riddance... you've already paid your $100 or so.. so turbine already has everything they need from you

[systemstate]

Fair enough.

Likewise you made your choice to subscribe. If the few perks are no longer enough for you, feel free to choose to stop subscribing.

Haha, too true. And believe me, I've been considering going to premium for some time now.

[Hafeal]

/not signed; if you need to raid that quickly, create more characters and/or play on more servers.


The backlash would make the one regarding U5 look quite mild in comparison.

LOL. What backlash? Typical post-mod hub bub which has died down quicker than most. We haven't had serious 'back-lash' since before the announcement of DDO:EU. :cool:

[kaelis]

Perk needed, Not this one though.

As a service I would pay for it, but not as a VIP perk.

[testing1234]

The entire DDO store is a VIP perk in your definition, say a +1 Supreme Tome, you can buy that with real money can't you? If you can find it in the game let the rest of us know which quest to look in! or how about 1/2 the other store loot available that is Real money only? Isn't that a bit of the Pot calling the kettle black? If you want a VIP perk, you need to be a VIP plain and simple, either way it costs you money.. think of it as a prereq.

ur correct that i am uncomfortable with the DDO store.
Turbine has said the dont intend to sell raid equip in the store, this proposed is as close to selling raid equip as you can come without doing it.

what is the reason that VIP should have any type of perk at all? i assume someone has made the call that the VIP Vs Premium on a money perspective is that VIP is a bad deal.
the most logical solution is lower the monthly cost or increse the costs of Premium ddo store items this whole talk about perks just seems impossible to balance right.

[nanobot1994]

Simple, completely remove premium from the game. So, if you'd spent $150, you get 10 months of 'free' ViP. If theres some odd-value left, give us TP to spend on random stuff...

Also, this wouldn't be a good move since Turbine is looking at the f2p crowd right now (no matter what you may wish/think), and this doesn't benefit the f2p crowd. Which results in less profit for Turbine, so no-go on this.

So, theres nothing to be worried about, Turbine wont implement this simply because theres no gain in it. To the ViP's, why doesn't Turbine just give out a free +1 supreme tome of ability every month, thats BtA.

[h4x0r1f1c]

Most people who play raids are VIP anyway.

I see what you did there. Encourage VIP by making the current VIPers (holy **** see what I did there?) happier people.

Turbine = Cash cow they make me mad at how conveniently everything we complain about makes them money.

[Cyr]

/not signed

[HarveyMilk]

Updated the OP to include premium option.

[KillEveryone]

If it were a VIP perk then I'd pay for VIP again.

If it was available in the store then it would depend.

For me to buy this, it would have to get rid of the timere completly or reduce the timer to less than 24 hours and it would have to be a permanent option.

If I had to purchase this option everytime I wanted to reduce the timer, it would have to be a very small amount of TP. Not going to pay more than 100 TP to reduce the timers and the timer would have to be reduced to less than 24 hours.

[HarveyMilk]

But what if it was 350 TP (to be competitive with the VIP perk) and just reset all your timers? That way it's not TOO cheap, but not TOO pricey, plus it'd be better than the VIP perk (which should be something like all timers are reduced to 24-36 hours rather than 3 days)

[Dysmetria]

Updated the OP to include premium option.You forgot to change the title.

[HarveyMilk]

No, it would be a VIP perk, with a DDO store option also.

FTP = 3 day raid timers

Premium = can spend 350 TP to reset all their timers whenever they want

VIP = 1 day raid timers + the option (of course) to spend TP and reset their timers if they want

[Dysmetria]

No, it would be a VIP perk, with a DDO store option also.

FTP = 3 day raid timers

Premium = can spend 350 TP to reset all their timers whenever they want

VIP = 1 day raid timers + the option (of course) to spend TP and reset their timers if they wantIf premiums could spend 350tp and then be able to reset their timers whenever they want, wouldn't it be a premium perk, one even VIPs with their reduced timers would want to pay 350tp for too?

[Bigrtt]

No.

I don't want to 'complete' my toons through their first life that quick. I hate the fact that most games coming out these days are so short. I don't want the same to happen with DDO.

The game is already getting too easy.

[Uska]

If premiums could spend 350tp and then be able to reset their timers whenever they want, wouldn't it be a premium perk, one even VIPs with their reduced timers would want to pay 350tp for too?

maybe he means 350pts each time you want to reset the timer I sure wouldnt want to get that often or ever if its a one time fee it's way to low

[Alexandryte]

Reduce all timers by half or two days for VIP players. This would make VIP the hardcore option it should be. Lots of people really only like raiding in this game, and this would be a real win-win change.

/sign this

Edit:

Upon reading the lack of support for this, I'm sure mostly from non-VIP players, I think the answer is to give a DDO store Premium option also. For 350 TP you buy something that turns off all your timers, raid/epic etc...

This gives micro-transaction players a higher quality option, which is what they always want, and lets VIP players use it too if they want to go on a raid/epic binge themselves.

Don't we want more control over our gameplay?

You know whats the selling point for DDO as F2P over Asian "F2P" games?

Nothing from the store gives a power imbalance, convience yes.....but never power imbalance. Removing or reducing timers causes a power imbalance.

/not signed

[Dysmetria]

maybe he means 350pts each time you want to reset the timer I sure wouldnt want to get that often or ever if its a one time fee it's way to lowWell I didn't think he was that foolish, then non-VIPs would have to shell out 350tp every day or two just to make it to the VIP's regularly scheduled raids. In a week they would have to spend more than a month's subscription fees just to keep up.

Either way it is a bad idea.

[HarveyMilk]

That's why it would be such a sweet VIP perk. It would make all the non-VIP players want to become VIP, in order to be able to run any raids they want on any given day. Power gamers would be rewarded for going VIP, where they belong, if they are supposedly what powers DDO. The extra revenue for Turbine would be a good thing to encourage more attention for the end-game oriented community.

And the high price tag on the raid cool-down reset (yes, 350TP per reset, or maybe something more like 350 TP for three days of raid timers off, or even 50 TP for a single reset, whatever the best price is).

That would help corral the power gamer community into investing their money into the game through the VIP model.

Businesses cater to the customers that spend regular money. Anything that gets Turbine developers working on DDO for the end-game oriented community (power gamer or not) is a good thing, imo.

[Dysmetria]

That's why it would be such a sweet VIP perk. It would make all the non-VIP players want to become VIP, in order to be able to run any raids they want on any given day. Power gamers would be rewarded for going VIP, where they belong, if they are supposedly what powers DDO. The extra revenue for Turbine would be a good thing to encourage more attention for the end-game oriented community.

And the high price tag on the raid cool-down reset (yes, 350TP per reset, or maybe something more like 350 TP for three days of raid timers off, or even 50 TP for a single reset, whatever the best price is).

That would help corral the power gamer community into investing their money into the game through the VIP model.

Businesses cater to the customers that spend regular money. Anything that gets Turbine developers working on DDO for the end-game oriented community (power gamer or not) is a good thing, imo.And here I thought you couldn't be this foolish. The power gamers spend regular money. They buy tomes, hearts, xp pots, and loads more. They do not belong as VIPs, every real min/maxxer would have cancelled their subscription last October when the F2P system was first added or at least seen the wisdom in doing so.

As for your latest version of a bad idea, it's never gonna happen. As I said in my first reply, Turbine can not add any new perks to ViP accounts after they spent the last 9 months convincing people that have been subscribed for years that it was a better deal to cancel those subscriptions and to drop a sizeable chunk of change on buying those perks for the life of this game instead. Likewise most all the new powergamers the F2P system has brought in have seen the sense of remaining premium instead of subscribing too.

I actually thought you legitimately wanted to get the raid timers lowered. I see now you are only concerned with trying to get Turbine to screw over most of it's playerbase, because you are petty and feel bad that you didn't go premium 9 months ago like everyone else that wanted to save a few bucks, even though they are just now starting to see those savings.

edit: Also prepare yourself for they EURO invasion next month. Many of the powergamers over there have been asking codemasters to let them go premium like us for the last 9 months and now they finally can. Maybe they will finally convince you to bite the bullet and join us. You know you want to.

[Rubiconn]

It would be nice to have some better perks.

You answered yourself below


Opening on hard and having content a few days earlier, while nice, isn't really much of a perk to me. I think we get the monk, warforged race and shared bank too which is nice. And the TP isn't a good deal either.

I was vip for over a year, went premium, purchased the stuff I want and am pretty happy with getting the occasional content when i want. Reducing raid timers is a bad idea, I and many others in my guild are on a cycle of shroud,TOD etc raids with a variety of toons and it would mess things up terribly. If VIP's are doing mostly raids as you propose then wouldnt reduced timers give them an unfair advantage to getting to uberness? Is that fair?

Just my thoughts.

[Dysmetria]

If VIP's are doing mostly raids as you propose then wouldnt reduced timers give them an unfair advantage to getting to uberness? Is that fair?Clearly he isn't concerned with fairness, just with screwing over the premiums because he knows he screwed himself over by not going premium months ago.

Also Turbine did give ViPs more perks just this month. They got $5 off their subscription fees and an extra 500tp.

[Rubiconn]

I totally forgot about the perkiest of them all the 500 tp every month - Premiums get nothing, F2P get nothing.

Thats pretty perky to me.

[anynamewilldo]

The vip option could/should be made more attractive, but I don't think this raid timer idea is the way to go about it.

I went vip for a couple months as a way to preview some content before buying, it didn't hurt that there was a 1000tp promotion going at the time. As a start, they should give vip's 1000tp on a standard month, giving more on special promotions.

[Dysmetria]

The vip option could/should be made more attractive, but I don't think this raid timer idea is the way to go about it.

I went vip for a couple months as a way to preview some content before buying, it didn't hurt that there was a 1000tp promotion going at the time. As a start, they should give vip's 1000tp on a standard month, giving more on special promotions.Why should the ViP option be made more attractive? 500tp a month is more than the 420tp we get for $6.50. Doubling it is like giving you tp for your $15 per month and then all the perks of a subscription for free.

It's fine as is for the special promotion this month but seriously, how greedy can you guys get?!?

[Rubiconn]

Maybe as a special xmas promotion you could get one santa wish or 10000tp and all raid timers are knocked down to 1 hour from start of raid.

And Im sure if that was implemented they would still ask for more.

Why not make a VIP Perk similar to veteran status and you can start your toon at lvl 20 and you can pick out all the best gear for yourself. That would solve all the problems.!!!!!

The opinions in the post are those of the poster and are not the opinions of this station or its parent company. Nor should the devs take anything above as a serious suggestion as it would make me cry.