Intmi/hate tank - Stalwart + pally saves

[OldAquarian]

Fighter 18/Pally 2

Uses Daxes and shield - Greataxe when able
+200% hate - easy enough with greataxe - pretty doable with daxe/shield

Note: did not include any tomes - entry level tank (28 pt build loses 2 CHA)

UPDATED !!!

Comments welcome


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Level 20 Lawful Good Dwarf Male
(18 Fighter \ 2 Paladin)
Hit Points: 446
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 10
Will: 12

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 14 20
Dexterity 13 13
Constitution 16 18
Intelligence 13 13
Wisdom 8 8
Charisma 14 14

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 2.5 15
Bluff 2 2
Concentration 3 4
Diplomacy 2 2
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 2 2
Heal -1 -1
Hide 1 1
Intimidate 6 38
Jump 6 28
Listen -1 -1
Move Silently 1 1
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 1 1
Search 1 3
Spot -1 -1
Swim 2 5
Tumble 1.5 1.5
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 3 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 5 (Fighter)


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Dwarven Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Axe Damage I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender I
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 11 (Fighter)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Bullheaded
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost IV
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Shield Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender II
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery III
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense I


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Shield Mastery
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Class Boost III
Enhancement: Fighter Stalwart Defender III
Enhancement: Fighter Item Defense II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV

[RoelHeeswijk]

I'd take skill focus: intimidate and even Bullheaded, along with 3 more toughness feats, instead of Shield Mastery, Improved Shield Mastery, Shield Bash, Improved Trip and certainly Die Hard.
(Or 1 toughness and weapon specialization&focus for 3 more damage, don't know how good it is on 2handers.)

[OldAquarian]

I'd take skill focus: intimidate and even Bullheaded, along with 3 more toughness feats, instead of Shield Mastery, Improved Shield Mastery, Shield Bash, Improved Trip and certainly Die Hard.
(Or 1 toughness and weapon specialization&focus for 3 more damage, don't know how good it is on 2handers.)

Took SF:Inimidate (level 6) - should add Bullheaded
Main issue is that toughness is not a fighter feat
Will juggle things around and see how many I can drop in favor of toughness
I think toughness should be better than weapon specialization&focus

[OldAquarian]

Kept Shield Mastery/Imp Shield Master - don't see how +6 DR is a bad thing
Went up the feat line for Spring Attack
Ended up with 1 extra toughness, could possibly get things a bit later and get one more toughness, but I think the 6 DR and spring attack should work well

Was thinking about cleave/Gcleave/Wwind - but seemed to see a lot of negative comments, and now that daxe gets glancing I imagine they have even less appeal

[OldAquarian]

updated please comment

[unbongwah]

Does paladin 2 add enough to this build to be worth the levels and stat pts spent on CHA? I'm somewhat skeptical and I say that as someone who loves having high saves.

I'm not an expert on tanks, but I prefer rogue 2 / fighter 18 like Big Rock Candy; I consider Evasion + UMD more useful - and less stat-intensive - than doing paladin 2 for Divine Grace. Here's my attempt at a newb-friendly dwarf Evasion tank (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=257893) (32-pt build puts extra pts into CON). My build gives up Divine Grace, of course, and has a point less BAB and lower Intimidate thanks to CHA being a dump stat. But I gained UMD, Evasion, extra skill points, and higher base STR, DEX, INT, & CON (on 32 pts), which I considered worth the tradeoff. Looks like you took extra Toughness feats & enhs so your build has higher HPs; I think I went for a bit more DPS. The low Will saves suck, but once you're buffed with Prot. from Evil, Freedom of Movement, etc. it won't be so bad (knock on wood). True Neutral means I can't use Good-aligned weapons until my UMD gets high enough; but it also lets me use Stability items and makes me immune to Unholy dmg, so it's a reasonable tradeoff.

[OldAquarian]

Does paladin 2 add enough to this build to be worth the levels and stat pts spent on CHA?
... I prefer rogue 2 / fighter 18 like Big Rock Candy; I consider Evasion + UMD more useful - and less stat-intensive - than doing paladin 2 for Divine Grace. Here's my attempt at a newb-friendly dwarf Evasion tank (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=257893) (32-pt build puts extra pts into CON)

Can you tank f18/r2? - absolutely
Is UMD + Evasion great? - absolutely
But...

Is having high saves great? - absolutely
Is having higher intimidate great? - absolutely

You can't have both, so...
That's what this build is about, it's not a contest - it's an option

And so I'm trying to find the best high inimidate/hate/high saves build

[unbongwah]

True enough, so then my question is which is better: fighter 18 / paladin 2 or paladin 18 / ftr 2? The former obviously has a lot more feats, but the latter will have even higher saves, auras, and some nice boosts to burst DPS (Smite Evil, Divine Might, etc.). I like Lord of Rage's dwarf pally 18 / ftr 2 DoS build (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=254393) and am considering trying it out; but I've never played a DDO tank before so I'm still mulling it over.

[OldAquarian]

True enough, so then my question is which is better: fighter 18 / paladin 2 or paladin 18 / ftr 2? The former obviously has a lot more feats, but the latter will have even higher saves, auras, and some nice boosts to burst DPS (Smite Evil, Divine Might, etc.). I like Lord of Rage's dwarf pally 18 / ftr 2 DoS build (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=254393) and am considering trying it out; but I've never played a DDO tank before so I'm still mulling it over.

pally 18 has some great benefits - but it seems it will fall short on intimidate
be great to have pally 3 though