18 Sorc/2 Rog.... viable?

[tkneip1874]

i am about to cap a wiz/rog. i enjoy the ability to do traps and have evasion but am not happy with the wizard part. its nice to have more spells and be able to change them but low mana pool and slow casting speed without quicken is a bit much for me. my core friends will be tr soon and was thinking of a viable caster with traps and evasion. i put some numbers together and came up with this. i know that adding 2 pal will make a huge difference in saves but not sure if i want to give up lvl 9 spells. my thought is 1 rog, 8 sorc, 1 rog, 8 sorc and then decide either 2 sorc or 2 pal.....
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Level 20 True Neutral Warforged Male
(2 Rogue \ 18 Sorcerer)
Hit Points: 266
Spell Points: 1846
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 11
Reflex: 13
Will: 9

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 8 8
Dexterity 8 8
Constitution 16 20
Intelligence 16 18
Wisdom 6 6
Charisma 16 26

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 3 3
Bluff 3 9
Concentration 5 28
Diplomacy 7 12
Disable Device 7 27
Haggle 7 12
Heal -2 -2
Hide -1 -1
Intimidate 3 8
Jump 3 3
Listen -2 -2
Move Silently -1 -1
Open Lock 3 17
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 7 8
Search 7 27
Spot -2 -2
Swim 3 3
Tumble n/a n/a
Use Magic Device 7 12

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Sorcerer)


Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell


Level 4 (Sorcerer)


Level 5 (Sorcerer)


Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 7 (Sorcerer)


Level 8 (Sorcerer)


Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Insightful Reflexes


Level 10 (Sorcerer)


Level 11 (Sorcerer)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell


Level 13 (Sorcerer)


Level 14 (Sorcerer)


Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration


Level 16 (Sorcerer)


Level 17 (Sorcerer)


Level 18 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration


Level 19 (Sorcerer)


Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Racial Toughness IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Force I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Force I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Spell Penetration III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded IV
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma III
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution I
Enhancement: Warforged Constitution II
Enhancement: Warforged Inscribed Armor I

[blitzschlag]

you may want to find a way to put heighten in (maybe for greater spell focus)...

heightened webs are killer
heightened fod is too (+2 dc)

in the end it does not help if you beat their spellres and can't land because of low dc.

[Fess]

I would try to find a way to get heighten spell and quicken as some of your feats.

[Merlocke]

This is pretty muchthe build I use. Starting stats look good to me.
I plan on dumping the spell penn feats and take past life Wiz, though.
I wouldnt mess with the traps either(wont help on epic), I instead use Hide/Move silently (currently 50/50) but youll have tons of points to do whatever if you go INT based like that.
2 pally... nah not needed. you cant see it now because my account is archived, but you can get all saves 30+ on this build.
Another option is to go 2 monk and use Dex. Will save you a feat. Keep in mind you will only get one 9th level spell. If you have any questions let me know.

[Phidius]

... you cant see it now because my account is archived, but you can get all saves 30+ on this build...

I confess to being curious about your build earlier, and saw that it was archived :D

[Merlocke]

Im currently overseas but I will post it on here, have to find a place to download a planner because all the computers here are DOD.
But when I do I'll post it.

[tkneip1874]

i would be very grateful if you could post your build. my math might be off but im coming with only about 25 refl save on self buffs and standard items. maybe a few more with shroud crafted items.

[moorewr]

I tend to prefer 18w/2, on the grounds that you are getting more out of insightful reflexes, more skills from a max int, and more spell slots out fo your reduced number of caster levels. My TR is going that route - 18w/2r Warforged.

[Merlocke]

here (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=257416) it is, the skill points might be a little off to what I currently have but the important things are still maxed.

[GhoulsTouch]

Monk Earth stance gives you more HP...and people won't keep asking you if you can do traps lol
All you need is a Superior Potency Quarterstaff and you are in buisness. Oh wait you are forged...no go on the Wisdom thing.

[Merlocke]

Monk Earth stance gives you more HP...and people won't keep asking you if you can do traps lol
All you need is a Superior Potency Quarterstaff and you are in buisness.

Considering that that would work with the Abbot/Reaver Staff thats not a bad idea.
If only the skiver/greenblade were a monk weapon It might lean me more toward the Mnk splash, as I usually carry an arcane lore item & Con Opp stick (could be adapted to kama).

And since I prefer torc over Noxious embers..Maybe if the Epic blue docent is nice it will make that work.


Oh wait you are forged...no go on the Wisdom thing.

Why, does the stance have a Wis prereq?

[tkneip1874]

thanks for posting your build for me. it makes me feel alot better knowing i can still have a good refl save for evasion. i personally will be taking trap skills cause that is the theme im looking for in this toon but the main idea im looking for is the same.... :)

[GhoulsTouch]

Why, does the stance have a Wis prereq?

I think you need a positive Wisdom score for stance, I think anyway. Could take the monk levels late though when you pick up a plus 6 item. Would gain about 80 hp if you chose toughness as your 2 bonus feats and were in Earthstance including what you get for Monk. Let's see 16 from monk, 44 from toughness, 20 from extra con...yeah 80 hp at 20.

[nicro]

I think you need a positive Wisdom score for stance, I think anyway. Could take the monk levels late though when you pick up a plus 6 item. Would gain about 8 0 hp if you chose toughness as your 2 bonus feats and were in Earthstance including what you get for Monk. Let's see 16 from monk, 44 from toughness, 20 from extra con...yeah 80 hp at 20.

None of the base stances have any sort of pre-req. In fact, you can incapacitate yourself by going into a stance and getting a 0 for one of your stats. The level 6, 12, and 18 stance enhancements are the ones with the pre-reqs.

[oweieie]

I've done rogue splashes and I've done pure casters and if you're just going to TR when you hit 20 then the rogue splash is okay and can make a few quests a bit easier, but if you plan on leaving the character at 20 you'll be much better off as a pure sorc.

[GhoulsTouch]

None of the base stances have any sort of pre-req. In fact, you can incapacitate yourself by going into a stance and getting a 0 for one of your stats. The level 6, 12, and 18 stance enhancements are the ones with the pre-reqs.

Yeah I just found that out recently. I thought it was similar to a caster who had to have at least 11 in order to cast. I figured it was the same way with Ki thinking Wisdom was its base.