End game sorceror skills

[Zerxen]

Should i max out concen, inti, diplo, UMD and balance?

[Merlocke]

Should i max out concen, inti, diplo, UMD and balance?

max concentration for sure
Intim maybe if you got the points (i do)
I dont use diplo...ever
UMD of 39 is the "magic number" for no-fail heal scrolls
Balance (i keep it high)

[Zerxen]

If i need all of those skills then i would need a +2 int modifier for my stats which means my con will take a hit

[Crann]

Concentration and UMD...cost you 2 points a level.
Other stuff after that if you have the points, not many do as INT is a dump stat on a Sorc.
I personally would rather max CHA and get CON as high as possible.
More HP are more important to me than any skills.

[Zerxen]

should i get 8/10/14/12/8/20 ?

that would give me +1 int modifier so 3 skill points per lvl.

do u think that is enough for all those skills?

[Crann]

That looks good. I am guessing you are drow becuase of the stat distribution.

You might wanna take INT down to 10....you will do well with 2 points a level.

You may want the other 2 points in strength. Rays of enfeeblement will make life difficult for yah with an 8 STR, the extra 2 wont turn you into Conan, but with strength items, it will let you carry more loot, and survive the effects of an enfeeblement a little better.

[Zerxen]

Just tested it out and even if i put my int at +0 modifier (intelligence 10)

i only have 2 skill pnts so i cannot put anymore into con which stays at 14

[Crann]

Correct, you need 3 points to raise your CON 1 more to 15.....thats the -2 Drow CON modifier working against you. That why I suggested Strength instead of CON.

[Merlocke]

remember INT & CON tomes can be eaten (i think +1 at level3, +2 at level 7) to help even you out for maximum HP/skillpoints

[miss the no-min-level +2 tomes]:(

[Zerxen]

thanks for yr replies.

Not interested in str since i can easily drink bull's str potions.

and 8 or 10 str is barely a difference if u get enfeebled etc

[LordRavnos]

thanks for yr replies.

Not interested in str since i can easily drink bull's str potions.

and 8 or 10 str is barely a difference if u get enfeebled etc

but a 10 str with a +2 str tome later on will prevent enfeebled from dropping your str to 0 and making you useless til it wears off. Happened to me way to many times in the desert on my wiz

[Crann]

thanks for yr replies.

Not interested in str since i can easily drink bull's str potions.

and 8 or 10 str is barely a difference if u get enfeebled etc

It is the difference between being able to perform as normal...and not.

[DrunkenBuddha]

max concentration for sure
Intim maybe if you got the points (i do)
I dont use diplo...ever
UMD of 39 is the "magic number" for no-fail heal scrolls
Balance (i keep it high)

just curious whether 39 is feasible for a sorc - i am currently lvl 15 with about 24 or 25 when wearing cartouche which is pretty much just enough to use cure mod wand, am I assuming that greensteel items take care of the disparity?

[LordRavnos]

just curious whether 39 is feasible for a sorc - i am currently lvl 15 with about 24 or 25 when wearing cartouche which is pretty much just enough to use cure mod wand, am I assuming that greensteel items take care of the disparity?


Yeah its easily doable. My wizard has 30 and I am missing a bunch of items still, and thats with a starting 8 cha, so you should easily be able to do better

[Crann]

just curious whether 39 is feasible for a sorc - i am currently lvl 15 with about 24 or 25 when wearing cartouche which is pretty much just enough to use cure mod wand, am I assuming that greensteel items take care of the disparity?

Keep in mind you'll have boosts to your UMD skill from things like Heroism, Greater Heroism, and Human Versatility, among others.

[Rusty_Can]

I personally would rather max CHA and get CON as high as possible.
More HP are more important to me than any skills.

Slightly off topic.

I agree, Constitution is not a "dump stat", especially on classes which are inherently "squishy", such as arcane casters.

OTOH, 6 ability points spent at creation to max out CON will provide you 20 hp and +1 to fortitude saves at lvl 20; the same 6 points could be used to get 3 more skill points, adding versatility and survivability to your character ....

"Min/maxing" kinda works, but it's not always the smartest thing to do ....

[samthedagger]

I have more experience with wizards than I do with sorcerers, but I would favor 2 extra points into Str over Int. Concentration is the primary skill followed closely by UMD. With a drow, these are the two I would take with a base 10 Int. If you TR, I might put the bonus points into Int to pick up Balance next. With your high Cha and a good Intimidate item, you can have a decent Intimidate without any ranks (not great, but decent).

[Mindspat]

Should i max out concen, inti, diplo, UMD and balance?

1st: UMD
2nd: Concentration
3rd: Diplomacy

If you have more skills points to put into your skills upon leveling you might want to ask for opinions on how to optomize the build. I would shoot for 2 points per level with the intention of eating a Tome ASAP to quickly start gaining 3 points per level.

UMD - a Sorcerer that can use Heal Scrolls without failure is extremely valuable to have. The Charisma modifier will help boost this and a Green Steel item can easily give +6 to the UMD score. Having a group with a Sorcerer that can heal from scrolls helps mitigate the dependancy on a Cleric or Favored Soul. I believe this is a must.

Concentration - There's nothing worst then failing a Con check at a critical moment. If you've played the role long enough you'll know that failed concentration checks almost always happen when what ever you're trying to do is needed the most.

Diplomacy - not a lot of people use this skill. The AI had been adjusted a while back which made this less responsive, but it still works in most situations. A high Diplo skill is not needed for a lot of the normal mobs found in quests although Epic and Bosses will be more difficult. If you really want to have fun with Diplo you can try this: jon a pug, run ahead in a situation that will get you all the agro, run to the back of the party and hit diplo!

Intimidate - When I'm goofing off I'll equip an Intimi item and tank mobs with my Sorc. Slap on Displacement, use the Torc, a Concordant Opposition item, topping yourself off with a Heal Scrolls (see UMD above) and you'll be able to carry the weakest party member in a quest that shouldn't be too difficult.