Stermlin
06-14-2010, 10:43 AM
Alright, this has happened way too many times to me. I offer to buy or sell an item, and 9 times out of 10 I am prompted to make an offer or set a price. So naturally I make my offer/price to be on the low or high side depending on whether I am buying or selling. Duh, right? Not so much. Take this recent example: I am in the market for Devil Scales. I need 5 of them so I can finish my Green Steel and TR. I've had a couple responses from my forum post and was asked how much was I offering to pay. My response? Generally either 2 million or 2.5 million gold. On two occasions I had the guy just go off and start flaming me and telling me how stupid I am and how I'll never get that, etc. etc. etc. blah blah blah. And on one occasion the guy just stop talking to me all together.
Now then, first of all, 2 or 2.5 million isn't a terrible offer for a Large Scale. Granted, you can sell it on the AH for 4 million, but first you have to wait for it to sell, then you get a nice 30% cut off your 4 mill. So after it is all said and done, you are only netting 2.8 million gold to put in your pocket. Now, that being said, do I actually expect to buy a Large Scale from someone for 2 or 2.5 million? No, of course not.
Ok everybody, say it with me: Neh-go-shi-a-chon.
ne·go·ti·a·tion
/nɪˌgoʊʃiˈeɪʃən, -si-/ Show Spelled[ni-goh-shee-ey-shuhn, -see-] Show IPA
–noun
1. mutual discussion and arrangement of the terms of a transaction or agreement: the negotiation of a treaty.
2. the act or process of negotiating.
3. an instance or the result of negotiating.
-or-
ne·go·ti·ate
/nɪˈgoʊʃiˌeɪt/ Show Spelled [ni-goh-shee-eyt] Show IPA verb, -at·ed, -at·ing.
–verb (used without object)
1. to deal or bargain with another or others, as in the preparation of a treaty or contract or in preliminaries to a business deal.
–verb (used with object)
2. to arrange for or bring about by discussion and settlement of terms: to negotiate a loan.
3. to manage; transact; conduct: He negotiated an important business deal.
4. to move through, around, or over in a satisfactory manner: to negotiate a difficult dance step without tripping: to negotiate sharp curves.
5. to transfer (a draft, promissory note, etc.) to a new owner by endorsement and delivery or by delivery.
It's not that difficult really. It goes something like this:
Seller: How much are you offering to pay me for my Scale?
Buyer: I'll give you two million gold for it.
Seller: Two million gold? Your crazy, I can get four million from the AH!
Buyer: Yeah that's true, but you have to pay 30% so your not getting 4 million.
Seller: I understand that, but two million is still way off. Turn that into 3.5 million then we can talk Scales.
Buyer: 3.5 million? That's pretty steep man. After the cut your only going to get about 3 million from the AH. A little less than that actually. Ok, tell you what, can we settle on an even 3 million? That's still a couple hundred thousand more than you would make form the AH, and I have it here and now: you don't have to wait for it to sell.
Seller: Well, you are ripping me off, but I'm just too **** nice of a guy. O.K. 3 mill it is.
See? It's not hard. The whole process takes, maybe, 10 minutes. If that. Whether it's Scales or Rusty Chain Shirts, there is nothing wrong with a little play.
I hope this gets through to some people. And, if not, oh well. I'll get my Scales, or Boot Ingredients, or whatever, from someone who can negotiate.
Now then, first of all, 2 or 2.5 million isn't a terrible offer for a Large Scale. Granted, you can sell it on the AH for 4 million, but first you have to wait for it to sell, then you get a nice 30% cut off your 4 mill. So after it is all said and done, you are only netting 2.8 million gold to put in your pocket. Now, that being said, do I actually expect to buy a Large Scale from someone for 2 or 2.5 million? No, of course not.
Ok everybody, say it with me: Neh-go-shi-a-chon.
ne·go·ti·a·tion
/nɪˌgoʊʃiˈeɪʃən, -si-/ Show Spelled[ni-goh-shee-ey-shuhn, -see-] Show IPA
–noun
1. mutual discussion and arrangement of the terms of a transaction or agreement: the negotiation of a treaty.
2. the act or process of negotiating.
3. an instance or the result of negotiating.
-or-
ne·go·ti·ate
/nɪˈgoʊʃiˌeɪt/ Show Spelled [ni-goh-shee-eyt] Show IPA verb, -at·ed, -at·ing.
–verb (used without object)
1. to deal or bargain with another or others, as in the preparation of a treaty or contract or in preliminaries to a business deal.
–verb (used with object)
2. to arrange for or bring about by discussion and settlement of terms: to negotiate a loan.
3. to manage; transact; conduct: He negotiated an important business deal.
4. to move through, around, or over in a satisfactory manner: to negotiate a difficult dance step without tripping: to negotiate sharp curves.
5. to transfer (a draft, promissory note, etc.) to a new owner by endorsement and delivery or by delivery.
It's not that difficult really. It goes something like this:
Seller: How much are you offering to pay me for my Scale?
Buyer: I'll give you two million gold for it.
Seller: Two million gold? Your crazy, I can get four million from the AH!
Buyer: Yeah that's true, but you have to pay 30% so your not getting 4 million.
Seller: I understand that, but two million is still way off. Turn that into 3.5 million then we can talk Scales.
Buyer: 3.5 million? That's pretty steep man. After the cut your only going to get about 3 million from the AH. A little less than that actually. Ok, tell you what, can we settle on an even 3 million? That's still a couple hundred thousand more than you would make form the AH, and I have it here and now: you don't have to wait for it to sell.
Seller: Well, you are ripping me off, but I'm just too **** nice of a guy. O.K. 3 mill it is.
See? It's not hard. The whole process takes, maybe, 10 minutes. If that. Whether it's Scales or Rusty Chain Shirts, there is nothing wrong with a little play.
I hope this gets through to some people. And, if not, oh well. I'll get my Scales, or Boot Ingredients, or whatever, from someone who can negotiate.