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PopeJual
06-10-2010, 08:47 AM
What are all the different sources for Dodge bonuses in the game? I'm explicitly asking for Dodge Bonuses and not for other bonuses that happen to stack with Dodge Bonuses because I want to see which equipment I should grind for and which equipment will fail to stack with already existing equipment.


For example:

The Dodge feat gives a +1 feat typed bonus, so this will stack with Haste, etc.
Alchemical +1 AC rituals give a +1 Alchemical bonus, not a Dodge bonus so this also stacks with Haste.
Chattering Ring gives a +3 Dodge bonus that does NOT stack with DT armor's +3 Dodge bonus.
+1 Dodge (doesn't stack with other +1 Dodge):
Haste
Haste Guard (+1 AC stacks with regular Haste)

+2 Dodge (doesn't stack with other +2 Dodge):
Chaosgarde

+3 Dodge (doesn't stack with other +3 Dodge):
Chattering Ring
DragonTouched Armor tier III bonus

+4 Dodge (doesn't stack with other +4 Dodge):
Icy Rainments
Inspire Heroics?
Uncanny Dodge?

The DDOWiki is incorrect or incomplete on this, so I'm very interested in hearing which items/spells/effects actually give real dodge bonuses so that I can figure out which gear to target and which gear to ignore.

Borror0
06-10-2010, 08:55 AM
The DDOWiki is incorrect or incomplete on this
http://ddowiki.com/page/Dodge_bonus

Which part of that article is incorrect or incomplete? As far as I can tell, the article covers everything on your current list and more.

ghettoGenius
06-10-2010, 08:56 AM
Improved uncanny dodge is +6 AC, and I believe both uncanny dodge and improved uncanny dodge stack with Icys and all other forms of dodge AC. Mobility and the enhancement lines are also another source of dodge AC (while tumbling).

PopeJual
06-10-2010, 09:45 AM
http://ddowiki.com/page/Dodge_bonus

Which part of that article is incorrect or incomplete? As far as I can tell, the article covers everything on your current list and more.

The fact that many of the Dodge bonuses listed there are actually not Dodge bonuses.

Dodge bonuses stack with other Dodge bonuses of different numerical values, but they do not stack with other Dodge bonuses of the same Dodge value. Because there are lots of non-Dodge bonuses in that list, it's very difficult for me to figure out which ones will/won't stack when applied at the same time.

Borror0
06-10-2010, 10:29 AM
Dodge bonuses stack with other Dodge bonuses of different numerical values, but they do not stack with other Dodge bonuses of the same Dodge value.
That is wrong. Look at Inspire Heroics (http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Feat:Inspire_Heroics) for a Dodge bonus stacking with other bonuses of the same magnitude.

Turbine is using the term "Dodge bonus" for two different sort of bonus:

If a Dodge bonus is found on an item, it stacks like Exceptional bonuses (ie bonuses of the same size don't stack); if a Dodge bonus comes from any other source such as a spell, a feat or a class ability, it stacks with all other Dodge bonuses even though they are of the same size and stack with Dodge bonuses from items. That's already particularly confusing but, just to make this slightly more confusing, if the Dodge bonus is on an item but comes from a Stone of Change ritual then it stacks with other bonuses of the same size.