Will DDO remain up during a Great Depression or Revolution?

[sultanica]

Looking at world events and the global economy, it really all looks bleak.
Never believe a talking head in office. All is well or will soon be, move along...haha yeah right.

The smart ones in the population know and are preparing for when things go bad.

Will DDO remain up during a Great Depression or Revolution?

Maybe we will all be too busy trying to survive in the real world to play games, but it would be awesome if in our downtime we could fire up DDO to do some raiding and dragon bashing...

[Aspenor]

lol a different kind of doom thread. lulz.

[flynnjsw]

Looking at world events and the global economy, it really all looks bleak.
Never believe a talking head in office. All is well or will soon be, move along...haha yeah right.

The smart ones in the population know and are preparing for when things go bad.

Will DDO remain up during a Great Depression or Revolution?

Maybe we will all be too busy trying to survive in the real world to play games, but it would be awesome if in our downtime we could fire up DDO to do some raiding and dragon bashing...

Meh, that's what diversions are for. Learn to distance yourself from all the swill out there coming from all sides. It's all talk anyway.

[Arkat]

It's all talk anyway.

No, it's not.

[Cam_Neely]

Looking at world events and the global economy, it really all looks bleak.
Never believe a talking head in office. All is well or will soon be, move along...haha yeah right.

The smart ones in the population know and are preparing for when things go bad.

Will DDO remain up during a Great Depression or Revolution?

Maybe we will all be too busy trying to survive in the real world to play games, but it would be awesome if in our downtime we could fire up DDO to do some raiding and dragon bashing...

Fantastic, thought out posting.

The smart ones are planning to find a MMO they can play during a worldwide Depression or Revolution? Personally I think the smart ones are planning for the Zombie Apocalypse. (I still need bear traps and a sawed off shotgun, but have my chainsaw)

And it looks bleak? I looked at the date, assuming this was a necro post. Unless you're Greek or a union member, the world economy is not looking bleak.

Honestly if your a doom singer, you should think of something better to worry about then a MMO.

[sultanica]

the world economy is not looking bleak.

I don't know what cave you live in but I assume it doesn't include access to real news.

FYI: Fox, CNN, MSNBC and the myriad of MSM news channels on US TV don't count as real news sources.


Wall Street Takes a Hit After German Move (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Indexes-down-more-than-1-rb-1367682545.html;_ylt=AqFBNHGe7KXAh9UBNbHs7o27YWsA; _ylu=X3oDMTE1dGZyMHN0BHBvcwMyBHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzB HNsawN3YWxsc3RyZWV0dGE-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=)
No End in Sight, Crisis deepens: Mortgage delinquencies, foreclosures break records (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mortgage-delinquencies-apf-3683370452.html?x=0&.v=6)
Situation Ugly in California as Gov Looks to Slash Welfare Programs (http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/Revised/BudgetSummary/BSS/BSS.html)
America's Underclass: The Growing Gap Between the Rich and Poor (http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/america%27s-underclass-the-growing-gap-between-the-rich-and-poor-487302.html?tickers=dltr,xhb,tlt)
Europe's mounting crisis: "We're on life support" (http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/europe%27s-mounting-crisis-%22we%27re-on-life-support%22-chris-whalen-says-490996.html;_ylt=Ah9ofJxELEb6X2g5V83mWsi7YWsA;_ylu =X3oDMTE2ZmxlcnR0BHBvcwMxMQRzZWMDdG9wU3RvcmllcwRzb GsDZXVyb3Blc21vdW50?tickers=euo,UUP,tbt,^dji,^gspc ,xlf,FXE&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=)
The Crash - Coming Financial Collapse of America (http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DG9ZnfG6wgQ4)
MELT UP - The Beginning Of US Currency Crisis And Hyperinflation (http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Deb1n1X0Oqdw)
U.S. food prices seen up 4-5 percent (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62F3UC20100316)


I could go on for days

[Aspenor]

I don't know what cave you live in but I assume it doesn't include access to real news.

FYI: Fox, CNN, MSNBC and the myriad of MSM news channels on US TV don't count as real news sources.


Wall Street Takes a Hit After German Move (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Indexes-down-more-than-1-rb-1367682545.html;_ylt=AqFBNHGe7KXAh9UBNbHs7o27YWsA; _ylu=X3oDMTE1dGZyMHN0BHBvcwMyBHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzB HNsawN3YWxsc3RyZWV0dGE-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=)
No End in Sight, Crisis deepens: Mortgage delinquencies, foreclosures break records (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mortgage-delinquencies-apf-3683370452.html?x=0&.v=6)
Situation Ugly in California as Gov Looks to Slash Welfare Programs (http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/Revised/BudgetSummary/BSS/BSS.html)
America's Underclass: The Growing Gap Between the Rich and Poor (http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/america%27s-underclass-the-growing-gap-between-the-rich-and-poor-487302.html?tickers=dltr,xhb,tlt)
Europe's mounting crisis: "We're on life support" (http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/europe%27s-mounting-crisis-%22we%27re-on-life-support%22-chris-whalen-says-490996.html;_ylt=Ah9ofJxELEb6X2g5V83mWsi7YWsA;_ylu =X3oDMTE2ZmxlcnR0BHBvcwMxMQRzZWMDdG9wU3RvcmllcwRzb GsDZXVyb3Blc21vdW50?tickers=euo,UUP,tbt,^dji,^gspc ,xlf,FXE&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=)
The Crash - Coming Financial Collapse of America (http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DG9ZnfG6wgQ4)
MELT UP - The Beginning Of US Currency Crisis And Hyperinflation (http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Deb1n1X0Oqdw)
U.S. food prices seen up 4-5 percent (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62F3UC20100316)


I could go on for days

lol

[Grosbeak07]

lol

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I have a lifetime sub in Lotro, so when there is no more money, I will still be able to play. :D

[Cam_Neely]

I don't know what cave you live in but I assume it doesn't include access to real news.

FYI: Fox, CNN, MSNBC and the myriad of MSM news channels on US TV don't count as real news sources.


Wall Street Takes a Hit After German Move (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Indexes-down-more-than-1-rb-1367682545.html;_ylt=AqFBNHGe7KXAh9UBNbHs7o27YWsA; _ylu=X3oDMTE1dGZyMHN0BHBvcwMyBHNlYwN0b3BTdG9yaWVzB HNsawN3YWxsc3RyZWV0dGE-?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=)
No End in Sight, Crisis deepens: Mortgage delinquencies, foreclosures break records (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mortgage-delinquencies-apf-3683370452.html?x=0&.v=6)
Situation Ugly in California as Gov Looks to Slash Welfare Programs (http://www.ebudget.ca.gov/Revised/BudgetSummary/BSS/BSS.html)
America's Underclass: The Growing Gap Between the Rich and Poor (http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/america%27s-underclass-the-growing-gap-between-the-rich-and-poor-487302.html?tickers=dltr,xhb,tlt)
Europe's mounting crisis: "We're on life support" (http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/europe%27s-mounting-crisis-%22we%27re-on-life-support%22-chris-whalen-says-490996.html;_ylt=Ah9ofJxELEb6X2g5V83mWsi7YWsA;_ylu =X3oDMTE2ZmxlcnR0BHBvcwMxMQRzZWMDdG9wU3RvcmllcwRzb GsDZXVyb3Blc21vdW50?tickers=euo,UUP,tbt,^dji,^gspc ,xlf,FXE&sec=topStories&pos=9&asset=&ccode=)
The Crash - Coming Financial Collapse of America (http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DG9ZnfG6wgQ4)
MELT UP - The Beginning Of US Currency Crisis And Hyperinflation (http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Deb1n1X0Oqdw)
U.S. food prices seen up 4-5 percent (http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62F3UC20100316)


I could go on for days
not real news sources then you cite a youtube add by the 'national inflation association;preparing America for hyper inflation' A youtube from Gerald Celente (a guy thats on Fox alot)? California budget? Show some of the state budget reports where the state acted even marginally fiscally responsible, and it will be a different story.

The DJI and other markets have been trending upwards ( DJI Basic chart (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^DJI+Basic+Chart)) lately, unemployment claims are steadying, while the unemployment rate itself has gone up slightly (the two coupled normally means that more people are entering the work force, but jobs are not being lost, a typical precursor to recovery.) Do you really think inflation if a major concern right now? With Fed rates having no where to go but up, it it much less of a worry then deflation. I could go on for days. Dont get me wrong, we are no where near a cheery rosey picture, but talking a year ago about a world wide depression might have been OK (although I think a bit overboard), talking about it right now is crazy.

Greece has put the Euro are in a bad spot, but that is not because of world wide depression, but more because the Greek nation thought itself much richer then it was, and now is a correction, that the gov't put off much to long, making the problem worse.

[Aspenor]

Let's get real for a minute...

Foreclosures are up so high because so many idiots bought housing they couldn't afford. That's called a correction.

The EU's failure is also a correction, a correction of the stupid decisions made to let countries in that had no business there in the first place. It's also a reflection of the failed socialism so prevalent in Europe.

The growing gap between the rich and poor is also a correction. It reflects the correction of grossly overpaid workers making amounts of money that they had no business making.

California's budget cuts are also a correction, a correction of the failed socialism prevalent in past budgets.

Economists are actually more worried about deflation than inflation. Oops.

I could go on for days. You get poor information when you use poor sources that don't actually know about what they are talking. FWIW, I don't use network news as sources, either.

[Zion_Halcyon]

not real news sources then you cite a youtube add by the 'national inflation association;preparing America for hyper inflation' A youtube from Gerald Celente (a guy thats on Fox alot)?

The DJI and other markets have been trending upwards (http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^DJI+Basic+Chart) lately, unemployment claims are steadying, while the unemployment rate itself has gone up slightly (the two coupled normally means that more people are entering the work force, but jobs are not being lost, a typical precursor to recovery.) Do you really think inflation if a major concern right now? With Fed rates having no where to go but up, it it much less of a worry then deflation. I could go on for days. Dont get me wrong, we are no where near a cheery rosey picture, but talking a year ago about a world wide depression might have been OK (although I think a bit overboard), talking about it right now is crazy.

Greece has put the Euro are in a bad spot, but that is not because of world wide depression, but more because the Greek nation thought itself much richer then it was, and now is a correction, that the gov't put off much to long, making the problem worse.

The thing that scares me?

Greece = Bad spot. Socialism has failed there like it did in the old soviet union (and really, is failing all across europe, from an economic standpoint).

The #1 funder of the Democratic party and movement? George Soros. Who is he? A greek who wants to shape the US into a socialist society like his homeland, Greece.

Er, oops? Wow, Greece is doing really good now huh?

Its about time for people to stop towing party lines and continuing to make Republican vs Democrat just another ****ing contest like Coke vs Pepsi or Ford vs Chevy vs Dodge, or the old Sega vs Nintendo vs Sony, etc.

Stop letting these shmucks take our votes for granted, and everyone vote based on what people really stand for and their track records, NOT for what title they have in front of them (Rep, Dem, or whatever) and certainly not to try to win some ****ing contest.

[grodon9999]

We have a good 10-20 years before things collapse in the US. Hopefully by then Turbine wuill find a way to fix the lag :)

[sultanica]

We have a good 10-20 years before things collapse in the US. Hopefully by then Turbine wuill find a way to fix the lag :)

+1 ftw!

;)

[Rubiconn]

Well strategically if there is going to be a revolution its going to start at the heart of the communication networks(read internet) Any worldwide revolution is going to involve reaching as many dissidents as fast as possible period. This is how dictatorships function by limiting access to information, look at North Korea, Iraq, Iran, etc, the powers limit access to information and keeps the people believing that everything is ok. What people fail to realize is that the true evolution of socialism isnt something that can be imposed on people it comes organically by the inherent weaknesses of the market economy. We dont have a true market economy as recent events have shown its too easily manipulated and controlled by all kinds of forces corporate as well as governmental. You cant trust corporate media from either side, Norman Goldman, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Maher pick your posion they all have an agenda. We havent been in control for a long time, and as Marx predicted when enough of the population is pushed below the subsistence line and the money is more concentrated at the top the quicker the people will revolt. One of the biggest weaknesses in socialism/communism is that it does not take into account the individual greed and corporate greed. It cant be eliminated so those two economic forms will always fail. Its important to remember that just because you live under a socialist rule doesnt make you a socialist.

[MrWizard]

well, it is up during this one, so...yea

[Chai]

Revolution? bahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Yeah I know the tea party won a seat or two, but that doesnt mean we are dusting off the muskets and donning our breeches, calf-length spatterdashes, and short jackets just yet.

[Trillea]

Maybe I should sink my next 3 paychecks into TP, they are probably going to depreciate less than the USD over the next 10 or so years.. :D

[Daunth]

Greece = Bad spot. Socialism has failed there like it did in the old soviet union (and really, is failing all across europe, from an economic standpoint).


there's socialism in Europe and I didn't know it? :D

Besides, the whole global crisis (of which current falls are a direct consequence) was born because there were not enough controls over finance in the US. now the same people that caused the crisis claim that the only way to get out from it is restoring the same pre-crisis situation. And there are people who follow them because, for them "rules and limits= communismomgtheyeatchildren".

And most of all: people talk about economics like it's football or weather, and everyone believes to have a clear picture of the current situation (for example, they call "socialist" a country simply because it has got a relevant public sector :D ) while you'd need even more than a degree in economics to have a point. I have one, and still it's not enough to consider myself fully aware.

[grodon9999]

Economics is junk science, nobody knows anything, it's all theoretical hogwash. :)

[Cyr]

Revolution? bahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Yeah I know the tea party won a seat or two, but that doesnt mean we are dusting off the muskets and donning our breeches, calf-length spatterdashes, and short jackets just yet.

I'm sorry, but your from Wisconsin are you sure you ever took those things off in the first place ;)

And bad move Trilliea. Pax Points depreciated the value of TP drastically.

[Trillea]

And bad move Trilliea. Pax Points depreciated the value of TP drastically.

That's why I should buy now - at a low. PAX won't be around again till next spring! :D

Buy low, sell high! Oh wait.. Isn't that against the TOS? ;)

[Zippo]

Personally I think the smart ones are planning for the Zombie Apocalypse. (I still need bear traps and a sawed off shotgun, but have my chainsaw)

http://www.motivationalpostergallery.com/posters/Precaution.jpg

[Cam_Neely]

Besides, the whole global crisis (of which current falls are a direct consequence) was born because there were not enough controls over finance in the US.

Hum you say "You say potato, I say potato; you say tomato, I say tomato" (does not work as well typed as said...) but I would say there was to much control over finance in the US. Its one of the most regulated industries in the US (behind housing and health care?), so I was never sure why people said it was the non regulation of the industry that caused the problem. With the implicate guarantees of the finical vehicles that Freddy and Fanny put out... well much to off topic.


I do think the guy that said the revolution would be via information, so in that case DDO would have issues, because there would have to be a government grab of control of the internet, and a huge regulation of speech. Get a Pencil and Paper game going as a back up!

*EDIT*
+1 to the guy above me! I LOVE IT!

[Zippo]

No, it's not.

I'm with you on this one. I think there is a lot more going on under the surface then what a lot of people are letting on too.

[TiranBlade]

I am from the great State of Texas, one you thing you should pay attention to with the start of a revolution is the fact that the State of Texas has in it's last state election voted into effect by it's citizens a measure that Prevents the State of Texas from taking on New Taxes due to the Health Care Bill or Other measure the Citizens decides it doesn't want to take on, now keep in mind we are also refusing to reap the benefit of these measures, The State of Texas has this right under the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.

However, The President, and I use that term loosely because he shouldn't legally have the position in the first place, has declared that it will affect us anyways, for one he doesn't have that athority, and two it violates the constitution.

The great state of Texas, if forced to take on the Health Care "Bill", will Secede from the Union, by our agreement with the United States as part of our become a state on December 29, 1845. Also, though many of you don't realize this, there are 32 other states from what I understand signed on to that cause, should Texas Secde, so will they.

At this point in time I would ask you not to take matters lightly, though it may not lead to Revolution or Depression, it is still possible and it only takes one country to trigger it in a Global Economy like we have right now.

[Belwaar]

Revolution? bahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Yeah I know the tea party won a seat or two, but that doesnt mean we are dusting off the muskets and donning our breeches, calf-length spatterdashes, and short jackets just yet.

Speak for yourself...I found my pitch fork this morning!! :p

[Thrudh]

I'll probably be running from wolves in the forest while holding up my pants with a cat 5 cable.

[Belwaar]

I am from the great State of Texas, one you thing you should pay attention to with the start of a revolution is the fact that the State of Texas has in it's last state election voted into effect by it's citizens a measure that Prevents the State of Texas from taking on New Taxes due to the Health Care Bill or Other measure the Citizens decides it doesn't want to take on, now keep in mind we are also refusing to reap the benefit of these measures, The State of Texas has this right under the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.

However, The President, and I use that term loosely because he shouldn't legally have the position in the first place, has declared that it will affect us anyways, for one he doesn't have that athority, and two it violates the constitution.

The great state of Texas, if forced to take on the Health Care "Bill", will Secede from the Union, by our agreement with the United States as part of our become a state on December 29, 1845. Also, though many of you don't realize this, there are 32 other states from what I understand signed on to that cause, should Texas Secde, so will they.

At this point in time I would ask you not to take matters lightly, though it may not lead to Revolution or Depression, it is still possible and it only takes one country to trigger it in a Global Economy like we have right now.

I'm from Texas, as well and you're a little off in the extreme side...Texas isn't going to to secede, although some people want it to.

[TiranBlade]

I'm from Texas, as well and you're a little off in the extreme side...Texas isn't going to to secede, although some people want it to.

Actually, you don't know how close we are to Secession, from what I understand should Texas take a vote on Seceding from the Union, the Majority would win and we would Secede, should Obama and his Cronies push Texas Further, it will mostly likely happen.

I say as a State, we shouldn't be forced to take on just a Major chunk of the new taxes coming from this Health Care "Bill", Especially considering our State Economy is good enough that we have the Least amount of Debt and Highest Employment Rate in the Nation in our state. And as a solid viewpoint of the State of Texas, We Don't Want Socialized Medicine, And You Won't Make Us Take it!

[PopeDX]

It's also a reflection of the failed socialism so prevalent in Europe.

Comrade, what are you talking about comrade? Comrade, socialism is working wonderfully, comrade comrade. Comrade comrade comrade, comrade; comrade comrade!

[sacredtheory]

i'm From Texas, As Well And You're A Little Off In The Extreme Side...texas Isn't Going To To Secede, Although Some People Want It To.

Qft

[Stormwine]

According to me Ex-wife Online games are the main reason for the worlds economic, morale, and social, down fall. So keep playing to help prove her wrong!

[TiranBlade]

Alright, believe what you will, but it will happend.

[sacredtheory]

Actually, you don't know how close we are to Secession, from what I understand should Texas take a vote on Seceding from the Union, the Majority would win and we would Secede, should Obama and his Cronies push Texas Further, it will mostly likely happen.

I say as a State, we shouldn't be forced to take on just a Major chunk of the new taxes coming from this Health Care "Bill", Especially considering our State Economy is good enough that we have the Least amount of Debt and Highest Employment Rate in the Nation in our state. And as a solid viewpoint of the State of Texas, We Don't Want Socialized Medicine, And You Won't Make Us Take it!

According to the latest numbers (March) from the Bureau of Labor Statistics - U.S. Department of Labor, Texas does not have the highest employment rate in the nation. As far as Texas succeeding...ain't gonna happen.

Actually, I could see in the distant future American getting divided into three, maybe more nations. Both coasts and the middle...I think it was a weird dream I had or something.

[Eladiun]

People need distractions more in bad times. Even ViP is quite economical when compared to other activities. It costs more to go to a 2 hour movie.

[TiranBlade]

According to the latest numbers (March) from the Bureau of Labor Statistics - U.S. Department of Labor, Texas does not have the highest employment rate in the nation. As far as Texas succeeding...ain't gonna happen.

Actually, I could see in the distant future American getting divided into three, maybe more nations. Both coasts and the middle...I think it was a weird dream I had or something.

Well on that note, I hadn't heard the new numbers. So forgive me for using outdated information.

But the fact that Secession is up for conisderation right now, is true. Many people I know believe it to just be all talk, and it is not. But, only time will tell, if and when we do try to Secede. So I am not going to argue the point anymore.

The only thing I can say is "Read your facts, don't listen to the bias, and be prepared!"

[Stormwine]

People need distractions more in bad times. Even ViP is quite economical when compared to other activities. It costs more to go to a 2 hour movie.

To true way back when I was finishing my schooling I gave my buddies alot of **** for paying 15 dollars a month to play Everquest back before a single expansion came out it just seemed dumb to me. Well at the time I was living in Las Vegas and when Kunark released I finally tried it, well yes I was now paying 15 dollars a month to play a game but compared to the money I was saving going out every weekend to blow off steam from a full week of school and a full time job. I was actually saving money.

[Chai]

Economics is junk science, nobody knows anything, it's all theoretical hogwash. :)

Yeap, economists and Weather Forcasters are the only people who can be wrong 60% of the time and still keep their jobs.

[Zippo]

I'm from Texas, as well and you're a little off in the extreme side...Texas isn't going to to secede, although some people want it to.

I don't think he is way off here. He has a valid point, and given the underlying feelings being displayed as of late, shows that a secession of Texas is not out of the question nor would it be a large stretch to think that they could be coming upon the breaking point for it.

[Zippo]

Yeap, economists and Weather Forcasters are the only people who can be wrong 60% of the time and still keep their jobs.

60%???

I've seen some of them claiming it was going to be sunny and 70 degrees and instead got this:

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2008/12/17/bc-081217-fraser-valley-snow1-FULL.jpg

[Mockduck]

I thought that's why Turbine added hirelings, so I could still play when most of the population is gone...

[bigolbear]

lvl 5 barbarian rogue looking for healer and others for quest 'defend my stuff from council tax balifs' (no noobs) ;-)

[Arkat]

I'm with you on this one. I think there is a lot more going on under the surface then what a lot of people are letting on too.

Not necessarily. I let on to it didn't I?

There are LOTS of hints, signs, or whatever out there. It's just there are so many people who refuse to see them that when the time comes, they'll actually be surprised. Worse yet, they'll be unprepared. :(

[alcmaeon]

Today's DDO special: Aluminum Foil Sombreros only 55 TP delivered right to your home.

+5 protection against socilistic Muslim beauty queens and a bag of holding for your gold bars, AKs and MREs.

[Lorz]

Saiga makes a great 12 gauge based on the AK-47 mechanism.

They sell 12 round drums for it for $90 bucks.
I fear neither bleak financial times nor zombie hordes.

All praise Federal Shells!

[Ethias]

This thread has it all, and it makes me happy to read that the crazies have found this game, too! :D (...or the trolls. >.<)

[TiranBlade]

The definition of crazy has been broadened to incude those who opinions don't agree with your own. Though truth be told I am closer to a Realist and Someone who likes to stay prepare for any situation. It seems logical that a person should be on guard incase the **** hits the fan and everything goes to ****. But those skills you need are skills being lost in a "Want now" society. I guess it's the "ranger" in me, that thinks know how to hunt for your own food and knowing how to prep it is something everyone needs to know how to do.

[sultanica]

Would be awesome if they offered a server emulator for download or something.

That way we could still play DDO in our self-sustaining underground survival bunkers while waiting for civilization to wipe itself out and rebuild anew.

Oh and I guess while they are at it, they could give us the content and level editors as well...haha

Hey if your gonna dream, dream big!

[sultanica]

incase the **** hits the fan and everything goes to ****.

Incredibly, there's a site for that too!
http://shtf411.com

;)

[Arkat]

I am from the great State of Texas, one you thing you should pay attention to with the start of a revolution is the fact that the State of Texas has in it's last state election voted into effect by it's citizens a measure that Prevents the State of Texas from taking on New Taxes due to the Health Care Bill or Other measure the Citizens decides it doesn't want to take on, now keep in mind we are also refusing to reap the benefit of these measures, The State of Texas has this right under the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.

However, The President, and I use that term loosely because he shouldn't legally have the position in the first place, has declared that it will affect us anyways, for one he doesn't have that athority, and two it violates the constitution.

The great state of Texas, if forced to take on the Health Care "Bill", will Secede from the Union, by our agreement with the United States as part of our become a state on December 29, 1845. Also, though many of you don't realize this, there are 32 other states from what I understand signed on to that cause, should Texas Secde, so will they.

At this point in time I would ask you not to take matters lightly, though it may not lead to Revolution or Depression, it is still possible and it only takes one country to trigger it in a Global Economy like we have right now.

Texas does NOT have any special right to secede from the Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation

It does, however, have the right to divide itself up into four (4) completely separate states at any time. Those states would be members of the Union automatically. No special votes needed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation

[DoctorWhofan]

OMG!! It's the end of civilization as we know it!!!


bah.

I am prepared. At least Turbine isn't solviong it by booting half it's players for "bannable offensives"

[Eladiun]

Would be awesome if they offered a server emulator for download or something.

That way we could still play DDO in our self-sustaining underground survival bunkers while waiting for civilization to wipe itself out and rebuild anew.

Oh and I guess while they are at it, they could give us the content and level editors as well...haha

Hey if your gonna dream, dream big!


I live close to Turbine. If you provide bunker space, I'll raid the office Mad Max style and snatch up the server if the Apocalypse occurs.

[Aspenor]

Here's what we CAN expect, from a macroeconomic sense, over the next few decades:

Wages will continue to fall and/or stay the same, especially in industries such as manufacturing. This is because wages were previously artificially inflated with workers earning more than their work was worth. We can blame unions for this one, well, unions and the companies that failed to stand up to them on their demands. Manufacturing jobs will continue to be shipped overseas to labor markets with lower wages. This will continue until markets like China, India, etc. reach an equilibrium with similar jobs in the United States.

Social Security will go bankrupt. There will be no Social Security for the young generation of workers.

The American economy will continue to become more service-based, rather than manufacturing based, until manufacturing in the United States becomes financially viable (when the above mentioned equilibrium is reached).

Revolution? Doubtful. Depression? Perhaps, but it can be argued that it's long overdue. Thanks to technology, we won't have the same problems seen in the Great Depression (food shortages, etc.). We may have different problems, instead, like energy shortages.

Essentially, the United States has sat on a perch of economic superiority for a long time. Now that globalization is the driving force behind economics, our economy will not ever attain its former glory until a large portion of the rest of the world is brought closer to our standards of living.

PS:

Let's get real for a minute...

Foreclosures are up so high because so many idiots bought housing they couldn't afford. That's called a correction.

The EU's failure is also a correction, a correction of the stupid decisions made to let countries in that had no business there in the first place. It's also a reflection of the failed socialism so prevalent in Europe.

The growing gap between the rich and poor is also a correction. It reflects the correction of grossly overpaid workers making amounts of money that they had no business making.

California's budget cuts are also a correction, a correction of the failed socialism prevalent in past budgets.

Economists are actually more worried about deflation than inflation. Oops.

I could go on for days. You get poor information when you use poor sources that don't actually know about what they are talking. FWIW, I don't use network news as sources, either.
I'd like to see whoever disagrees with this assessment try to prove otherwise.

[Eladiun]

OMG!! It's the end of civilization as we know it!!!


bah.

I am prepared. At least Turbine isn't solviong it by booting half it's players for "bannable offensives"


Look at you scoffing... of course you're safe zombies can't swim to Hawaii.

[sigtrent]

I don't know what cave you live in but I assume it doesn't include access to real news.

FYI: Fox, CNN, MSNBC and the myriad of MSM news channels on US TV don't count as real news sources.


You may lack the perspective of age which will inform you that this kind of stuff has been going on since the dawn of time. Folks find bad news interesting so there is lots of it to be heard. Its interesting because its generally the exception rather than the rule. Most of the time things are pretty decent and for every foreclosed home, there are many more people happily live in.

Don't let the fear mongers make you think your all doomed. They have been saying the world will end since the days of the first religions. So far the doomsayers track record is pretty poor.

[Club'in]

I am from the great State of Texas, one you thing you should pay attention to with the start of a revolution is the fact that the State of Texas has in it's last state election voted into effect by it's citizens a measure that Prevents the State of Texas from taking on New Taxes due to the Health Care Bill or Other measure the Citizens decides it doesn't want to take on, now keep in mind we are also refusing to reap the benefit of these measures, The State of Texas has this right under the 10th Amendment of the Constitution.

However, The President, and I use that term loosely because he shouldn't legally have the position in the first place, has declared that it will affect us anyways, for one he doesn't have that athority, and two it violates the constitution.

The great state of Texas, if forced to take on the Health Care "Bill", will Secede from the Union, by our agreement with the United States as part of our become a state on December 29, 1845. Also, though many of you don't realize this, there are 32 other states from what I understand signed on to that cause, should Texas Secde, so will they.

At this point in time I would ask you not to take matters lightly, though it may not lead to Revolution or Depression, it is still possible and it only takes one country to trigger it in a Global Economy like we have right now.

Amen! I would love to see all those pikers get off my back. I can almost guarantee you that every one of those states receive back from the federal government far more money than they pay in taxes. If you freeloaders left the nation, my taxes would go way down! lol :rolleyes:

[sigtrent]

PS:

Civilization is indeed coming to an end...

Fortunately Civilization V is coming out real soon!!!

[Arkat]

You may lack the perspective of age which will inform you that this kind of stuff has been going on since the dawn of time. Folks find bad news interesting so there is lots of it to be heard. Its interesting because its generally the exception rather than the rule. Most of the time things are pretty decent and for every foreclosed home, there are many more people happily live in.

Don't let the fear mongers make you think your all doomed. They have been saying the world will end since the days of the first religions. So far the doomsayers track record is pretty poor.

All fairly interesting observations there.

But yet some parallels between Rome before it fell and the present day United States (and perhaps much of Western Civilization) are also interesting, no?

[TiranBlade]

Texas does NOT have any special right to secede from the Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation

It does, however, have the right to divide itself up into four (4) completely separate states at any time. Those states would be members of the Union automatically. No special votes needed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation

Check the State's Constitution, our Secession Right are in it as part of our agreement.

And don't use a Wikipedia as a source for nothing, because almost anyone can change it.

[Club'in]

PS:

Civilization is indeed coming to an end...

Fortunately Civilization V is coming out real soon!!!

Right on! I can't wait.

side note: Alliance Raid night, this Saturday night, 10PM Eastern. Monitor your alliance channel, or hit Deadslug up for help organizing things on the Umberhulk's end.

[Kiranselie]

Check the State's Constitution, our Secession Right are in it as part of our agreement.

And don't use a Wikipedia as a source for nothing, because almost anyone can change it.

Good luck w/ that. If I remember correctly, secession didnt work out to well for you guys the last time, didnt work out too well for any of the states that seceeded. Just sayin. . . . .

[sacredtheory]

Here's what we CAN expect, from a macroeconomic sense, over the next few decades:

Wages will continue to fall and/or stay the same, especially in industries such as manufacturing. This is because wages were previously artificially inflated with workers earning more than their work was worth. We can blame unions for this one, well, unions and the companies that failed to stand up to them on their demands. Manufacturing jobs will continue to be shipped overseas to labor markets with lower wages. This will continue until markets like China, India, etc. reach an equilibrium with similar jobs in the United States.

Social Security will go bankrupt. There will be no Social Security for the young generation of workers.

The American economy will continue to become more service-based, rather than manufacturing based, until manufacturing in the United States becomes financially viable (when the above mentioned equilibrium is reached).

Revolution? Doubtful. Depression? Perhaps, but it can be argued that it's long overdue. Thanks to technology, we won't have the same problems seen in the Great Depression (food shortages, etc.). We may have different problems, instead, like energy shortages.

Essentially, the United States has sat on a perch of economic superiority for a long time. Now that globalization is the driving force behind economics, our economy will not ever attain its former glory until a large portion of the rest of the world is brought closer to our standards of living.

PS:

I'd like to see whoever disagrees with this assessment try to prove otherwise.

You're pretty much dead on. It's ironic too, as I'm just finishing up an economics college class, and we just finished reading "The New Economy", a report issued by the Federal Reserve in 1998 or 99, forget at the moment. Anyhoo, there are hints of these very issues in that report, although they weren't made to sound like issues. But with technological advances, manufacturing jobs will be going overseas while service jobs will rise. And at some point, there's going to be a breaking point.

Doesn't matter, we all know the world will end in 2012. But the question is, for which reason? The Mayan prophecies or Sarah Palin for president?

[Rubiconn]

I thought that is what the Mayan calander predicted was Sarah Palin would get elected and the world would end. !!!

And for you texas secessionists here is a faq to read:http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm

[totmacher]

:D may you live in interesting times :D

[GreenGurgler]

Look at you scoffing... of course you're safe zombies can't swim to Hawaii.

They are Zombies, they don't need to swim. They can merely walk along the bottom:


"Zombies, too, may come in many forms. With the world completely infested, many will certainly find themselves roaming the floors of our oceans. There is the possibility, slight though it may be, of one lumbering up the underwater slope that leads to your little coastline. Others, still wearing life-jackets from mortal life may be carried to your island by the current. Then there is the chance of a zombie infested ship, and in a worst case scenario, there could be one wrecking on your shore and spilling its deadly cargo." -Max Brooks, The Zombie Survival Guide, p175.

Also, what about all of the other potential zombies already on the island?

No no, he isnt safe.

There is no safe, only safer. ;)

[Zippo]

Texas does NOT have any special right to secede from the Union.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation

It does, however, have the right to divide itself up into four (4) completely separate states at any time. Those states would be members of the Union automatically. No special votes needed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation

Texas does not have the right to secede, any more than any other state does. Which is not to say that Texas, or any other state, can't secede if it has a mind to; after all, 11 states did back in 1861. Many modern Texans have the vague idea - as did most secessionists - that because Texas entered as a former republic, it retained the right to leave the Union if it saw fit. However, no such clause appears in the congressional act authorizing Texas to join the Union. Because it was once independent, because it at one time did secede from the Union, and because its ideology is far different from that of the rest of the US, Texas has always clung to the idea of a guaranteed right of secession as a mark of its specialness and as a source of reassurance in case all else fails.

One privilege Texas does reserve, and a condition that appears in the resolution approving its statehood, is the option to subdivide itself into as many as four states (a total of five). But Texas is more likely to leave the Union again than to fragment its identity and its land.


Edit for spelling error

[Zippo]

I thought that is what the Mayan calander predicted was Sarah Palin would get elected and the world would end.

What is with this fascination of bashing her and her family to a slight lesser degree? She's up front, bold, and holds to a morale standard that anyone should find respectable. What's so bad about that?




Ya know I'll probably take a beating on here for this viewpoint but ya know what I'm ok with that. I'll stand by my convictions on this one, hated or not.

[Arkat]

Check the State's Constitution, our Secession Right are in it as part of our agreement.

Not explicitly. There are just a lot of inferences, suppositions, and wishful thinking by secessionists.

http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm

(Thanks Rubiconn foir finding this. I'm glad I didn't have to dredge it up. :) )



...because almost anyone can change it.

So? There people who actually know what they're talking about (unlike SOME people) like the one or ones who wrote that wikipedia article.

[Eladiun]

They are Zombies, they don't need to swim. They can merely walk along the bottom:



Also, what about all of the other potential zombies already on the island?

No no, he isnt safe.

There is no safe, only safer. ;)


Sharks eat zombies . But true, they may get there before it can be quarantined.

[Arkat]

Texas does not have the right to secede, any more than any other state does.

That was my point. TiranBlade was under the false impression Texas has a right to succeed because of some, as it turns out, some non-existant provision in either their State Constitution or the agreement between it and the United States which admitted it into the Union.


(a total of five).

Thanks for the correction. I knew that (my mom is from Dallas and she told me that long ago) but unfortunately my post wasn't clear enough. I should have said, "It does, however, have the right to divide itself up into four (4) completely separate additional states at any time."

My bad.

[Zippo]

That was my point. TiranBlade was under the false impression Texas has a right to succeed because of some, as it turns out, some non-existant provision in either their State Constitution or the agreement between it and the United States which admitted it into the Union.



Thanks for the correction. I knew that (my mom is from Dallas and she told me that long ago) but unfortunately my post wasn't clear enough. I should have said, "It does, however, have the right to divide itself up into four (4) completely separate additional states at any time."

My bad.

No worries! This was actually an end of the day discussion at work a few weeks ago between two guys in my shop that I clarified. One being from Texas himself.

Although in Trians defense as I pointed out before, 11 states did it once before in 1861 so it doesn't mean 1 or more couldn't do it again.

[Mockduck]

Sharks eat zombies . But true, they may get there before it can be quarantined.

Great, now I have to worry about zombie sharks...

[GreenGurgler]

What is with this fascination of bashing her and her family to a slight lesser degree? She's up front, bold, and holds to a morale standard that anyone should find respectable. What's so bad about that?

Ya know I'll probably take a beating on here for this viewpoint but ya know what I'm ok with that. I'll stand by my convictions on this one, hated or not.

Some fear an attractive hetero successful women and think only ugly lesbians should gain power when they have been fortunate enough to be granted it by men. Also, she doesn't subscribe to the dogma of N.O.W. so they bash/fear her.

She has more executive experience than our current dear leader did before he took office.

That being said, I don't want her to run. She is too divisive (for no apparent reason) and was spoke volumes about her character when she stepped down as governor before her term was up. When the going gets tough, a good leader sticks with it.

My useless 2 cp. ;)

[Trillea]

Great, now I have to worry about zombie sharks...

Sounds like something out of a bad Scooby Doo episode... Zoinks!

[Guildmaster_Kadish]

What is with this fascination of bashing her and her family to a slight lesser degree? She's up front, bold, and holds to a morale standard that anyone should find respectable. What's so bad about that?




Ya know I'll probably take a beating on here for this viewpoint but ya know what I'm ok with that. I'll stand by my convictions on this one, hated or not.

Nothing is bad about that, if you ignore the rest of her. There's nothing wrong with her at all, if you prefer high morals over high intelligence. The reason many people dislike her is that they perceive her as being to far to the extreme--all morals and very little intelligence. Two important notes about this: First, it is abundantly clear that people can hate the opposite just as much--see the case of Richard Nixon. From an objective standpoint, he was a pretty sharp guy, but he had no morals to speak of, and he paid the price. The second important point is that the two attributes aren't related; we can just as well have a candidate who is both very intelligent and very moral--George Washington or maybe Abraham Lincoln would be the classic examples. That's the real reason I think so many people so dislike Palin even within her own party--her strong moral beliefs simply don't make up for her brilliant displays of ignorance.

For a candidate to really be successful, they have to appear either morally or cognitively superior, and appear adequate in the other realm (assuming he/she isn't superior to the opposition in both). Regardless of how moral or not she really is, and regardless of how intelligent or not she really is, her public image has been established pretty strongly, and it's become her Achilles' heel, so to speak. Without getting into my personal views on her, well, I'll put it this way... I don't think the Mayan doomsayers were accurate:


I thought that is what the Mayan calander predicted was Sarah Palin would get elected and the world would end.

GK
P.S. Also note that those aren't the only important characteristics for politicians, just some of the most important--experience and "grit" and other things come into play as well, most definitely.

[Eladiun]

Great, now I have to worry about zombie sharks...

I smell a new SyFy channel original movie...

[Arkat]

That being said, I don't want her to run. She is too divisive (for no apparent reason) and was spoke volumes about her character when she stepped down as governor before her term was up. When the going gets tough, a good leader sticks with it.


QFT!

Not only all of that but, quite frankly, she's not smart enough to be our leader.

[Delacroix21]

Let's get real for a minute...

Foreclosures are up so high because so many idiots bought housing they couldn't afford. That's called a correction.

The EU's failure is also a correction, a correction of the stupid decisions made to let countries in that had no business there in the first place. It's also a reflection of the failed socialism so prevalent in Europe.

The growing gap between the rich and poor is also a correction. It reflects the correction of grossly overpaid workers making amounts of money that they had no business making.

California's budget cuts are also a correction, a correction of the failed socialism prevalent in past budgets.

Economists are actually more worried about deflation than inflation. Oops.

I could go on for days. You get poor information when you use poor sources that don't actually know about what they are talking. FWIW, I don't use network news as sources, either.


Quoted for truth!


Being a California resident, I see first hand how overpayed Unions are killing the State. Too many politicians are in the Union's pockets due to "legal bribes" also known as campaign contributions.


P.S. I would SERIOUSLY check my priorities if you really think the world will fall apart and your main concern is whether or not a VIDEO GAME will still be playable, LOL!

[Zippo]

Nothing is bad about that, if you ignore the rest of her. There's nothing wrong with her at all, if you prefer high morals over high intelligence. The reason many people dislike her is that they perceive her as being to far to the extreme--all morals and very little intelligence. Two important notes about this: First, it is abundantly clear that people can hate the opposite just as much--see the case of Richard Nixon. From an objective standpoint, he was a pretty sharp guy, but he had no morals to speak of, and he paid the price. The second important point is that the two attributes aren't related; we can just as well have a candidate who is both very intelligent and very moral--George Washington or maybe Abraham Lincoln would be the classic examples. That's the real reason I think so many people so dislike Palin even within her own party--her strong moral beliefs simply don't make up for her brilliant displays of ignorance.

For a candidate to really be successful, they have to appear either morally or cognitively superior, and appear adequate in the other realm (assuming he/she isn't superior to the opposition in both). Regardless of how moral or not she really is, and regardless of how intelligent or not she really is, her public image has been established pretty strongly, and it's become her Achilles' heel, so to speak. Without getting into my personal views on her, well, I'll put it this way... I don't think the Mayan doomsayers were accurate:



GK
P.S. Also note that those aren't the only important characteristics for politicians, just some of the most important--experience and "grit" and other things come into play as well, most definitely.


It isn't so much about intelligence as it is common sense. My personal feeling about the current sitting leader is that he IS an intelligent man however he has no common sense or at least chooses to ignore it more often then not. You see someone with little to no intelligence while I see someone that is more of the, well to quote Jon Voight from Pearl Harbor "I like submariners, they don't have time for bull****!", more of the down home no nonsense kind of person. The statements in that light, that are issued towards her strike me similar to the "all the people from the south are just stupid rednecks" type arguments.

With that being said I am noticing a funny parallel of arguments being used against Sarah Palin as was used against Regan, and he had proven to be one of the most successful of modern presidents during his tenure in office.

[Zippo]

P.S. I would SERIOUSLY check my priorities if you really think the world will fall apart and your main concern is whether or not a VIDEO GAME will still be playable, LOL!

Ahhh cmon, I gave up smoking and practically gave up drinking, let me have at least one thing to ward off stress if the world decides to go nuclear.

[phillymiket]

Eberronians WAKE UP!
The DEV is using the NOOB as muscle to take YOUR plat!
Laugh all you want but when the troops are on YOUR corner taking YOUR family to the death chambers they call "airships" you'll be sorry! Too late sheeple!! too late!!

Seriously, It ain't happening. Maybe we take some steps back and things will be rearranged (maybe painfully) to meet the new day. But when the house catches fire don't worry the fire department will come.

That being said I do have a Get Out Of Dodge bag.
GPS, maps, water purifier with many, many filters, things that go crack, things that go bang and a thing that goes boom. You never know, maybe we do go Mad Max.

But I think not. Society, while a intricate interconnected web with each strand depending on the other, is an amazingly resilient web.

Ain't happening.


PS:

Civilization is indeed coming to an end...

Fortunately Civilization V is coming out real soon!!!

All right Hannibal FTW! Good news.

[Trillea]

Eberronians WAKE UP!
The DEV is using the NOOB as muscle to take YOUR plat!
Laugh all you want but when the troops are on YOUR corner taking YOUR family to the death chambers they call "airships" you'll be sorry! Too late sheeple!! too late!!



We're 106 miles from Stormreach Outpost, We got a charged airship, half a pack of thieves tools, it's dark, and we're wearing Tharne's Goggles.

Hit it.

[phillymiket]

We're 106 miles from Stormreach Outpost, We got a charged airship, half a pack of thieves tools, it's dark, and we're wearing Tharne's Goggles.

Hit it.
lol

What's the hold up.
Kobolds, they won their court case and are marching today.
Kobolds! I HATE kobolds!

[kaelis]

Good luck w/ that. If I remember correctly, secession didnt work out to well for you guys the last time, didnt work out too well for any of the states that seceeded. Just sayin. . . . .

Wasn't your own squirrelicious state one of them Bo?

Just sayin'..

[Kistilan]

We have a good 10-20 years before things collapse in the US. Hopefully by then Turbine will find a way to fix the lag :)

And I'll have immigrated to Australia by then.

WIN! (God Bless America, I've signed to give my life for her; but if I'm still alive at the end of that contract, I'm taking my life back to Australia!)

Don't worry -- we will all change with the world. This post does beg the question... Why worry about a video game if you're so worried about the economy? The easy answer is to buy some solar panels, batteries, wiring, generator, alternator, an eletrician's guide to solar power and multiple connections for all worldly socket types and spare parts.

Then build a robust sea-worthy vessel with an enclosed water-tight cabin. Have this vessel stored with several liters of compressed oxygen -- enough to last 48+ hours underwater. Build the hull capeable to withstand 500' of water pressure over it (I think that's roughly 6 atmospheres of pressure, but it could be more) and once you've got the whole thing complete bury it under 10' of loose earth/styrofoam mixture for easy release and a tarp over the area of extraction.

Lastly, load up air-tight fuels (gas/oil) so they don't go bad along with stabilizers, canned foods, space freeze-dried foods, etc. Make sure you have a wind-source kite to pull the boat if you really get stuck in the middle of the New Atlantic/Pacific. And be sure to load up your favorite game systems, accessories and monitors for ease-of-play. If anyone else is as savvy as yourself, you may want to pay for an advanced lifetime wireless satellite account so you have access to any remaining internet structures after the flooding.

Oh yeah, this boat is for flooding if I forgot to mention that. That way if the world economy collapses or an apocalyptic event occurs, you're set and ready to handle this Brave New World with as many legacy games as you've packed. Just think Kevin Costner's Waterworld meets 2012 and you'll be set no matter how badly the economy goes.

PS: Do you think it's wrong that I've had this dream since I was 8 years old in 1988??? Yes, these plans sketched above came to me in a dream in 1988 and I hadn't seen any doomsday progamming yet. A year or two later I first watched the Prophecies of Nostradamus and became severely upset. Since then I've relaxed and realized Bob Marley had it right. "Everything... is gonna be... all right."

[Kistilan]

We're 106 miles from Stormreach Outpost, We got a charged airship, half a pack of thieves tools, it's dark, and we're wearing Tharne's Goggles.

Hit it.


Your coolness factor just multiplied exponentially. You've given every Khyber playboy a run for his money.

http://www.premiere.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/images/blues/595356-1-eng-US/blues.jpg

[Kiranselie]

Wasn't your own squirrelicious state one of them Bo?

Just sayin'..

Yes, Tennessee was among them. The last to leave the union, and the first to rejoin it after the end of the war.

[Kistilan]

Yes, Tennessee was among them. The last to leave the union, and the first to rejoin it after the end of the war.

Not going to start a North vs South debate here, but...

The proximity of your border to a Northern State was proportional to the amount of an ass-kicking you could tolerate.

PS: Yes, I know the South was giving it good to Northern states too in the thick of this war. It's nothing really to be proud of on either side. I just wanted to say something witty.

[Bolo_Grubb]

Personally I think the smart ones are planning for the Zombie Apocalypse.

This is the only world wide disaster you need to plan for

[Zippo]

Not going to start a North vs South debate here, but...

The proximity of your border to a Northern State was proportional to the amount of an ass-kicking you could tolerate.

PS: Yes, I know the South was giving it good to Northern states too in the thick of this war. It's nothing really to be proud of on either side. I just wanted to say something witty.

Then explain Virginia.

[Kistilan]

Then explain Virginia.

They seceded from West Virginia. That was a complete fluke.

[Kiranselie]

Not going to start a North vs South debate here, but...

The proximity of your border to a Northern State was proportional to the amount of an ass-kicking you could tolerate.

PS: Yes, I know the South was giving it good to Northern states too in the thick of this war. It's nothing really to be proud of on either side. I just wanted to say something witty.

There was plenty of ass kicked on both sides in Tennessee. Second only to Virginia in total battles. If youve never been there, you should really check out Shiloh. One hell of a fight in that little town.

[Zippo]

They seceded from West Virginia. That was a complete fluke.

I like ya man, but please dear god tell me your kidding?

[Kistilan]

I like ya man, but please dear god tell me your kidding?

Argh!!! High Sarcasm fer the win, matee! ;) Button down dem dar believe button hatches 'n swab the deck with lysol lie-maker. Argh!

[Dcurd]

Summarizing the parts of the thread that I cctually paid attention to:
Somebody mentioned zombies, then underwater walking zombies, then sharks eating those zombies, and then ZOMBIE SHARKS.


This could be a great sequel to the brilliant movie Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7ck5mcd1o) . . .

Zombie Shark vs Pirate Octopus

Get hollywood on the phone, STAT!

[Zippo]

Summarizing the parts of the thread that I cctually paid attention to:
Somebody mentioned zombies, then underwater walking zombies, then sharks eating those zombies, and then ZOMBIE SHARKS.


This could be a great sequel to the brilliant movie Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7ck5mcd1o) . . .

Zombie Shark vs Pirate Octopus

Get hollywood on the phone, STAT!

Add in Umbrella corp and you not only have a hit movie but a hit game series too.

[TiranBlade]

Nope, Texas and EVERY state has a right to Secede from the Union and there is a Document that everyone can read that says that we can.

It's a little thing called the Decleration of Independance

It gives any and every state/person/county/city the right to kick thier government to the "curb."

[Tarnoc]

You forgot the trillions of dollars that the USA has spent on THE WAR ON DRUGS thus wasting that money and affecting many other economys around the world and also making more money be in the black market through higher drug prices......lets face it its been here for over 3000 years do you Americans really think youll stop it???Just like you stoped vietnem and are stoping the Arabs......PROUD CANADIAN


FREE MARC EMERY

[TreknaQudane]

You forgot the trillions of dollars that the USA has spent on THE WAR ON DRUGS thus wasting that money and affecting many other economys around the world and also making more money be in the black market through higher drug prices......lets face it its been here for over 3000 years do you Americans really think youll stop it???Just like you stoped vietnem and are stoping the Arabs......PROUD CANADIAN


FREE MARC EMERY

....

Greb?

[Oreg]

I think the OP may be on to something. So to balance my portfolio I am buying in game gold for copper and silver. Going rate is 1gp=10silver or 100 copper. My bank is now open!

[Linenoise2]

Check the State's Constitution, our Secession Right are in it as part of our agreement.

And don't use a Wikipedia as a source for nothing, because almost anyone can change it.


Nope, Texas and EVERY state has a right to Secede from the Union and there is a Document that everyone can read that says that we can.

It's a little thing called the Decleration of Independance

It gives any and every state/person/county/city the right to kick thier government to the "curb."

Grab an American History book and look for the pages that cover the years 1861-1865.

Any question about the ability for a state to secede from the Union will be answered there. ;)

[Kistilan]

Nope, Texas and EVERY state has a right to Secede from the Union and there is a Document that everyone can read that says that we can.

It's a little thing called the Decleration of Independance

It gives any and every state/person/county/city the right to kick thier government to the "curb."

Their government > Steers 'n Stuff.

I declare the deceleration of this thread is imminent.

[TiranBlade]

http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/constitutions/text/image/D02.html

This is a link to the Constitution of the State of Texas as inacted in 1845 Stating in Article 1, Section 1 that the People of the State of Texas "has the unaliable right to alter, reform, or abolish thier form of government, in such a manner as they think expedient."

[GeneralDiomedes]

I guess it's the "ranger" in me, that thinks know how to hunt for your own food and knowing how to prep it is something everyone needs to know how to do.

Hunter/gatherer societies are so 4000 B.C.

[Kiranselie]

http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/constitutions/text/image/D02.html

This is a link to the Constitution of the State of Texas as inacted in 1845 Stating in Article 1, Section 1 that the People of the State of Texas "has the unaliable right to alter, reform, or abolish thier form of government, in such a manner as they think expedient."

Thats right, they have the right to revamp the form of government in Texas, however, what you quoted does not give the right to remove themselves from the United States. . . . . I mean, I know for a fact that the exact same clause is in the Tennessee constitution almost word for word. Substitute proper for expedient and its exactly word for word. Point is, your not special, and if I took the time to look at each states constitution, I bet i could find those exact words in all 50 of them.

Oh yeah, Article 11, section 1 (http://www.tngenweb.org/law/constitution1796.html)

[TiranBlade]

Hunter's and Gatherers were the foundation of the Westward expansion in the United States, not what 100-150 years ago, and as a Modern Day Hunter, I have come to understand the necessity of having to be able to provide for a family.

[TiranBlade]

Thats right, they have the right to revamp the form of government in Texas, however, what you quoted does not give the right to remove themselves from the United States. . . . . I mean, I know for a fact that the exact same clause is in the Tennessee constitution almost word for word. Substitute proper for expedient and its exactly word for word. Point is, your not special, and if I took the time to look at each states constitution, I bet i could find those exact words in all 50 of them.

Oh yeah, Article 11, section 1 (http://www.tngenweb.org/law/constitution1796.html)

Actually your narrow minding the interpretation which our state can decide how is interpreted. If the "State of Texas" decides it wants to once again be the Independant Country "Republic of Texas" this Article gives us the right to do so!

Furthermore, should Texas decide to Secede from the Union, it will do so anyways. In not so unsimilar circimstances to say, The Colonies declaring independance from England. There was no documant saying the Colonies had the right to Seperate from the British Goverment until the Declariation of Independance. Then furthermore to the Votes and Documents Ratified by the State of Texas to Secede from the Union in 1861.

You can argue with me right to Secede all you want, but if the State want's to Secede, it will Secede. Cut and Dry.

[Kiranselie]

Actually your narrow minding the interpretation which our state can decide how is interpreted. If the "State of Texas" decides it wants to once again be the Independant Country "Republic of Texas" this Article gives us the right to do so!

Furthermore, should Texas decide to Secede from the Union, it will do so anyways. In not so unsimilar circimstances to say, The Colonies, declaring independance from England.

Good luck w/ that. How'd it work out for ya'll the first time around, you know being and "independent republic" and all. Doubt 30,000 Tennesseans would show up to save you from an invading army this time around, not to mention all from the other states at the time. Just sayin. . . . .

[Kiranselie]

You can argue with me right to Secede all you want, but if the State want's to Secede, it will Secede. Cut and Dry.

Worked out so well in the mid 1800's

[TiranBlade]

The mistake Texas made in 1861 was not allowing the citizens of the newly reformed Republic of Texas the Vote on wiether or not to Join The Confederacy. If Texas had stayed Independant, then there would have been no Issue.

[TiranBlade]

Worked out so well in the mid 1800's

It's not the 1800's now, it's 2010 and Things are much different from back then, I wonder how the US Government can handle 33 States Seceding this time.

[Kiranselie]

The mistake Texas made in 1861 was not allowing the citizens of the newly reformed Republic of Texas the Vote on wiether or not to Join The Confederacy. If Texas had stayed Independant, then there would have been no Issue.

Do you honestly think that when the Union Armies were finished w/ the confederacy, they wouldnt have turned their attention to Independent Texas?

Then and now the federal government would exhaust all resources to reestablish the union as it was. The supreme court already ruled on the matter. Once you join, your in, all the way. Kinda like being a crip.:D

[Kiranselie]

It's not the 1800's now, it's 2010 and Things are much different from back then, I wonder how the US Government can handle 33 States Seceding this time.

To be perfectly honest, depends on the States.

FWIW I'm really just playing devils advocate here. That, and i really really despise Texas :D

[TiranBlade]

Um yeah, the last time I heard the 33 States alone where taking a large Majority of the Military with them, it would be a lot harder this time around should it come to Civil War, and two If Texas Was an Independant Country, the US Congress would have had to vote to declare war on Texas. Which I don't think would have happened, given that Texas unlike the rest of the CSA, had actually Run through a Majority vote of the State and ran a minurature DoI event, because the USA had violated the Constitutional Compact, which by the way is once again being Violated.

If the USA declared war on Texas as an Independant, then it would have destroyed the Image of the United States on the note of a form of Local Govt trying to go independant.

[TiranBlade]

To be perfectly honest, depends on the States.

FWIW I'm really just playing devils advocate here. That, and i really really despise Texas :D

What state are you from?

[Kiranselie]

Um yeah, the last time I heard the 33 States alone where taking a large Majority of the Military with them


Just a real quick question before bed, who signs the military's paycheck, and who's constitution did the members of said military swear to uphold and defend?

[Kiranselie]

What state are you from?

Tennessee, the one that helped to secure Texas's independence from Mexico. You might have heard of us, at least one of your major cities is named for a Tennessean.

[bobbryan2]

Wow guys... as a Texan, I can tell you it's a popular fairy tale that we have the right to secede. But the truth of the matter is that it's nothing more than over-active nationalism at work.

It just won't happen.

[TiranBlade]

You know, when someones home and famliy are on the line, which side would you take? Your right it does come down to who in the US military would switch sides to be the military of the Seceder's side. But, would the US gov't really send troops to quell, what politians, citzens, people asking for freedom? Your talking about using military force to remove a political act. Would those troops be happy with attacking innocent women and children, say the Seceded states form no military im protest what then? This comes down to polictical. Would you lock up every citizen who made a vote or refused to follow the orders coming from DC?

[TiranBlade]

Tennessee, the one that helped to secure Texas's independence from Mexico. You might have heard of us, at least one of your major cities is named for a Tennessean.

Which Tennessean? Because depending on which one I can tell you if it is a major city or not, because several of those who came from tennesse had cities named after them, for assisting in our independance from mexico.

And why do you despise Texas? Did you know we are the Techinlogical Backbone of the nation now?

Though on the Tech Backbone part haven't seen the numbers myself, but that is what I have heard in passing.

[TreknaQudane]

Which Tennessean? Because depending on which one I can tell you if it is a major city or not, because several of those who came from tennesse had cities named after them, for assisting in our independance from mexico.

And why do you despise Texas? Did you know we are the Techinlogical Backbone of the nation now?

I'm pretty sure it's you not Texas they have issue with.

[TiranBlade]

I'm pretty sure it's you not Texas they have issue with.

If they want to hate me, they can it's thier choice, all I am trying to say is that if Texas and any other States decided they were going to Secede they will do so.

I'm not saying I am for or against it. I am just stating the facts on that.

[TiranBlade]

And this arguement has been educational for both my knowledge of Government and History, so thanks for giving me a reason to research those things I didn't know.

Anyways, getting back on Topic, I hope we don't go into a Depression or Revolution. I would rather just play DDO and not have to worry about wiether or not it will be gone if such an event starts.

[Kiranselie]

Which Tennessean? Because depending on which one I can tell you if it is a major city or not, because several of those who came from tennesse had cities named after them, for assisting in our independance from mexico.

And why do you despise Texas? Did you know we are the Techinlogical Backbone of the nation now?

Though on the Tech Backbone part haven't seen the numbers myself, but that is what I have heard in passing.

Sam Houston, might have heard of him.

I had thought Stephen Austin was another, but he came from Missouri.

And as far as the technological backbone of the nation. . . . The fine folks as Marshal Space Flight Center, Redstone Aresenal, United Launch (Formerly Lockheed-Martin and Boeing whom both have major R&D centers in Huntsville AL) and countless others on the cutting edge of military and aerospace technology might have issue w/ that.

[transtemporal]

Oh man, the guy on the street corner was right.

"The end is ni" Lol

[phillymiket]

Oh man, the guy on the street corner was right.

"The end is Ekke Ekke Ekke Ekke Ptang Zoo Boing " Lol

Fixed that for you :D

[Morningfrost]

Nothing is bad about that, if you ignore the rest of her. There's nothing wrong with her at all, if you prefer high morals over high intelligence. The reason many people dislike her is that they perceive her as being to far to the extreme--all morals and very little intelligence.

/sad

Wanna try a country with a president who is neither smart nor moral?

[Zippo]

Good luck w/ that. How'd it work out for ya'll the first time around, you know being and "independent republic" and all. Doubt 30,000 Tennesseans would show up to save you from an invading army this time around, not to mention all from the other states at the time. Just sayin. . . . .

Well that goes back to what I was saying before. Given the current situation and state of the Union it would not be unfathomable for a state or states to secede in such a fashion. I do believe should a state like Texas decide to remove themselves from the Union, that at least a few others would also take measures to remove themselves from the Union as well. Just my opinion, but I think it is a possibility

[Arkat]

...all I am trying to say is that if Texas and any other States decided they were going to Secede they will do so.

No. In order for a state to secede from the United States, it must be successful in its attempt. If it is unsuccessful (because it was "convinced" militarily or otherwise), then it never really seceded in the first place.

I love Texas dearly (my mom was from Dallas) but I guarantee you that as long as the United States is able to prevent it, Texas would fail in any attempt to secede.

As far as your Declaration of Independence argument goes, the right to abolish the government because it has grown tyrannical is reserved for the PEOPLE and not to individual States. But that document was written BEFORE the U.S. Constitution. And from the Government that was created by the Constitution's viewpoint, what the Declaration says no longer applies to it. Why? Because there are provisions in the Constitution itself to change it (thus, in theory, the Federal Government) lawfully and peacefully (See Article V of the U.S. Constitution).

Now, having said all that, do I think "We the People" have the right to abolish a tyrannical government? Yes, through constitutional means. Do I honestly believe that's very realistic? I'm beginning to doubt that more and more. How about abolishing the Government through extra-constitutional means? The constitutional scholar in me says, "No." However the philosopher in me says, "Hell yes!" The Declaration of Independence reflects some basic God-given rights of all men (and women), which certainly include the right to abolish a tyrannical government by revolution.

Which part of me (and everyone else) is actually correct? That depends on who wins should a state or states declare their independence from the U.S. If the secessionists are successful, the philosophers (Declaration of Independence) are correct. If the US Federal Government manages to force the secessionists to abandon their attempt at independence, the constitutionalists will be correct.

The lesson here is if you're going to try to secede, it's no joke and you'd better be successful.

[Tarnoc]

/sad

Wanna try a country with a president who is neither smart nor moral?

wasnt that the BUSHs?

[flynnjsw]

wasnt that the BUSHs?

Oh give me a break, there were Presidents much worse than either one of them could ever be. When we have someone like some Foreign Presidents are/were, then you can complain. Until then, keep your Bush hate in check.

[sultanica]

Trouble at the US/Can border
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agJ34o6PLhI

wow just wow

=(

[Chai]

Oh give me a break, there were Presidents much worse than either one of them could ever be. When we have someone like some Foreign Presidents are/were, then you can complain. Until then, keep your Bush hate in check.

Bush did alot of things these "foreign" leaders do, the nightly news just didnt doctor it all up to make him a "terrorist" like it does 'foreign" leaders who do the same things.

I think Kat Williams had Bush pegged in Pimp Chronicles. Hit that nail right on the head.

[Grosbeak07]

Trouble at the US/Can border
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agJ34o6PLhI

wow just wow

=(


You don't have to be Canadian to get that kind of treatment at that crossing. :(

[Eladiun]

Trouble at the US/Can border
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agJ34o6PLhI

wow just wow

=(

Every body knows the Zombie apocalypse starts in Canada we must be vigilant.

[flynnjsw]

Bush did alot of things these "foreign" leaders do, the nightly news just didnt doctor it all up to make him a "terrorist" like it does 'foreign" leaders who do the same things.

I think Kat Williams had Bush pegged in Pimp Chronicles. Hit that nail right on the head.

So he did some of the same things as say Hussein did to his own people? How about Milosevic? I mean granted, the media paints everything with their own opinion, and their opinion is colored mostly by their own greed, but come on.

[Zippo]

Bush did alot of things these "foreign" leaders do, the nightly news just didnt doctor it all up to make him a "terrorist" like it does 'foreign" leaders who do the same things.

Such as?


1630hrs CST, still waiting for some sort of answer.


It is 1640hrs CST 21 May 2010 and still waiting for an answer, although I'm going to guess you don't have one which would be why we haven't been endowed with your apparent knowledge on this subject. :rolleyes:

[sultanica]

PPT Invoked Rule 48 Today, DOW Would Have CRASHED

The New York Stock Exchange is invoking “Rule 48,” which suspends a requirement for designated market makers to show premarket prices to help smooth the opening, for the second time this month. The move thus far has been rare, but seems to be becoming not so rare these days amid the recent volatility. NYSE has no specific threshold for invoking the rule, but tends to use it following big moves in stock futures.
http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2010/05/20/nyse-invokes-rule-to-smooth-speed-market-opening/