Dwarf Barb feedback request

[Indalamar]

Hello, I'm playing with a group of friends and we are going to be TRing soon. I want to play a barb with the intent of both being a decent tank for end game epic dungeons as well as the ability to slaughter everything in my path. That said, is there any constructive feedback that you all can give on my below build.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
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Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Dwarf Male
(20 Barbarian)
Hit Points: 452
Spell Points: 0
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 19
Reflex: 8
Will: 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(34 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 18 27
Dexterity 12 14
Constitution 18 24
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 10 12
Charisma 8 10

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 2.5 17
Bluff -1 0
Concentration 4 7
Diplomacy -1 0
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle -1 0
Heal 0 1
Hide 1 2
Intimidate 3 23
Jump 8 20
Listen 0 1
Move Silently 1 2
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair -1 0
Search -1 2
Spot 0 12.5
Swim 4 8
Tumble 1.5 3
Use Magic Device n/a n/a

Level 1 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Past Life) Past Life: Rogue
Feat: (Selected) Two Handed Fighting


Level 2 (Barbarian)


Level 3 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 4 (Barbarian)


Level 5 (Barbarian)


Level 6 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 7 (Barbarian)


Level 8 (Barbarian)


Level 9 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 10 (Barbarian)


Level 11 (Barbarian)


Level 12 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 13 (Barbarian)


Level 14 (Barbarian)


Level 15 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Barbarian)


Level 17 (Barbarian)


Level 18 (Barbarian)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 19 (Barbarian)


Level 20 (Barbarian)
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost III
Enhancement: Barbarian Damage Boost IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Barbarian Critical Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Critical Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction I
Enhancement: Barbarian Improved Damage Reduction II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Extend Rage IV
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Extra Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Hardy Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Attack III
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage I
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage II
Enhancement: Barbarian Power Rage III
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker I
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker II
Enhancement: Barbarian Frenzied Berserker III
Enhancement: Barbarian Might
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution I
Enhancement: Dwarven Constitution II
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense I
Enhancement: Dwarven Spell Defense II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution I
Enhancement: Barbarian Constitution II
Enhancement: Barbarian Toughness I

[joneb1999]

You will seriously need much more hp at endgame than you have there because you will be taking crazy damage from self damaging with all your rages and enemy damage. My dwarf barb currently has just under 600 normal (unbuffed and not raging) but then I also use supreme cleave alot, though I need to swap out something for stunning blow.

[Shade]

While the above poster is wrong, I respect his privlage to post and offer him the following flowery emoticons: :eek::confused::p

Your build obviously has a ton of hp. Just the planner doesn't include any bonuses. Looks like a standard 18 con toughness build, so hitting 900+ hp shouldn't be a problem.

And imo, thats actually overkill. I really recommend stunning blow over toughness for a 18 con 34 pnt tr build.

[Kintro]

You will seriously need much more hp at endgame than you have there because you will be taking crazy damage from self damaging with all your rages and enemy damage. My dwarf barb currently has just under 600 normal (unbuffed and not raging) but then I also use supreme cleave alot, though I need to swap out something for stunning blow.

The HP shown isn't including any items. +60 for +6 con, +30 gfl, +20 minos and +45 shroud has him at 607 unraged which is plenty.

[joneb1999]

The HP shown isn't including any items. +60 for +6 con, +30 gfl, +20 minos and +45 shroud has him at 607 unraged which is plenty.

Ah I didn't realise. Kudos to you for being informative in your response. A person doesnt need to be pleasant just that some can't reply without being unpleasant like the poster above you. Kintros +1 respect to you. Wow didnt realise it was the famous Shade that made that other comment. Well if I could have given him -1 rep i would have. You were right I didnt realise what I was saying was wrong Shade but you know theres no hardship in being nice about it or just following Kintros good conduct.

[Morrissey]

IC: slash is nice, but i'd take it much earlier. You might end up swapping out of it later. I'd plan on keeping 2 of these 3 endgame:

1. IC:slash (much less useful once you have a min2)
2. Stunning Blow (useful at all levels, especially in epics - not listed in your build)
3. Toughness (really only needed at endgame for Horoth tanking)

All the other feats are pretty much locked in for a standard barb build. Looks solid, have fun with it.

[blitzschlag]

Ah I didn't realise. Kudos to you for being informative and not an ahole in your response. A person doesnt need to be pleasant just that some can't reply without being unpleasant like the poster above you. +1 respect to you.

well, the poster above you was right nonetheless and you were wrong.

you have to know that shade runs a lil program on his machine that combs through all the treads and gives a beep when the words "dwarf barbarian" (or any combination of its abbreviations) are found. shade was the self procclaimed god of dorf barbs for a long time. with the influx of new players with f2p it is possible that he actually became a god of some sorts. you know, if ppl believe in something to be a god, a god is created.

thank noone im an atheist ;)

[Shade]

Well if I could have given him -1 rep i would have.

You can (well perhaps eventually after you gain enough popularity points).

Far as being "unplesant" goes. Welcome to a mmo forum, I don't sugarcoat anything. And I saw what your post read before you edited, so an eye for an eye I guess. Here's ill edit in some hugs and kisses in mine too if that makes you feel better.

[joneb1999]

well, the poster above you was right nonetheless and you were wrong.

you have to know that shade runs a lil program on his machine that combs through all the treads and gives a beep when the words "dwarf barbarian" (or any combination of its abbreviations) are found. shade was the self procclaimed god of dorf barbs for a long time. with the influx of new players with f2p it is possible that he actually became a god of some sorts. you know, if ppl believe in something to be a god, a god is created.

thank noone im an atheist ;)

Sorry mate but Im too old to go for putting people on pedestals like that. He had my respect until he answered myself in that manner. Also I did make a nastier remark in my reply to him then I edited it out because I realised it was better not to start flaming even when Im sorely ****ed off.

[Shade]

He had my respect

If thats' all it takes to lose it, not sure I cared to have it in the first place.

I'll take respect based on the knowledge I impart and guidance I offer.
Not interested in any based on how many smiley faces i put into my posts where I disagree with someone.

[joneb1999]

You can (well perhaps eventually after you gain enough popularity points).

Far as being "unplesant" goes. Welcome to a mmo forum, I don't sugarcoat anything. And I saw what your post read before you edited, so an eye for an eye I guess. Here's ill edit in some hugs and kisses in mine too if that makes you feel better.

Neither did Kintro sugar coat. Like I said no need to be pleasant just no need to be unpleasant either.

[Indalamar]

Thanks for the feedback guys, I appreciate it. My group is under the impression that if I don't have toughness + enhancements + ridiculous levels of healing amp I won't be able to tank epic dungeons. I had to debate with them for a while why dwarf >>>> human for a barb and the extra couple % healing amp from human wasn't worth the sacrifice.

Can you guys please clarify which parts of those assumptions are true or not? What does it take for a barb to be the primary tank for epic dungeons?

[Consumer]

Thanks for the feedback guys, I appreciate it. My group is under the impression that if I don't have toughness + enhancements + ridiculous levels of healing amp I won't be able to tank epic dungeons. I had to debate with them for a while why dwarf >>>> human for a barb and the extra couple % healing amp from human wasn't worth the sacrifice.

Can you guys please clarify which parts of those assumptions are true or not? What does it take for a barb to be the primary tank for epic dungeons?

Tank epic?

All mobs are crowd controled in one way or another theres often not much to tank.

I would suggest PUGing an epic von 1 to see the extent that stupid AI can be exploited.

[gemineye]

Critical Rage I & II was removed...I wish they would fix that in the planner.

[joneb1999]

Critical Rage I & II was removed...I wish they would fix that in the planner.

critical rage?