DPS Help Please!

[Jesulus]

I'm currently building a Paladin Rouge Fighter, but I need some help with the leveling. I'm a human and I'm focusing on TWF. My problem is I originally wanted to do a 2 rogue/ 14 pally/ 4 fighter. However I've been told to instead go 2 rogue/ 14 fighter/ 4 pally.
What I originally wanted was someone who could do both DPS and support, the pally would have given me some nice capstones at level 20 as well as some nice spells/enhancements like redemption.
The 4 fighter levels are simple for feats and some other small things, so I would really like some help.

Would I really be losing that much DPS and AC (not alot to begin with) by going pally and not Fighter?
I would get more saves with the pally in regard for less AC... so what do you say..?

[toughguyjoe]

you can't take the paladin capstone unless you have 20 levels of paladin.

Same for each class :( Sorry man.

[toughguyjoe]

Now as far as the rest of your build, it could work out just fine. I have a toon that will some day be 15ranger/4Fighter/1Mnk who is very very good, but hes not exactly optimal.

As a Pally your DPS will be good, and with The Spell Holy Sword, which you can get at level 14 Paladin you can make good raid boss beating weapons for your twf toon at little cost.

I think you would be fine going either way, the paladin is more self sufficient with lay on hands, resists and the like, and the fighter has better DPS options with Kensai enhancements and haste boosts and such.

[dkyle]

If you're not going to pursue AC actively, forget about it. You need a lot of AC for it to matter at all past level 10 or so.

As for DPS, the strongest DPS Pali is a pure Pali. The strongest DPS fighter is a pure fighter or a 12ftr/6rngr/2[rog/mnk]. Pali and Fighter don't really mix that well.

So, neither build you're talking about is going to rule DPS, and 4 Pali is pretty useless as far as support. I'd say stick with 2rog/4ftr/14pali. It fits your goal better than the alternative.

Besides, the main reason for 12ftr is Kensai II, which gives a +8 str clicky. DMII, which you can get by 14 pali, gives +4 damage. Ignoring attack bonus, they're the same damage. The attack bonus is partially made up for by Divine Favor.

[Jesulus]

you can't take the paladin capstone unless you have 20 levels of paladin.

Same for each class :( Sorry man.

Didn't mean capstone, sorry, I meant the prestige enhancements.

[Jesulus]

If you're not going to pursue AC actively, forget about it. You need a lot of AC for it to matter at all past level 10 or so.

As for DPS, the strongest DPS Pali is a pure Pali. The strongest DPS fighter is a pure fighter or a 12ftr/6rngr/2[rog/mnk]. Pali and Fighter don't really mix that well.

So, neither build you're talking about is going to rule DPS, and 4 Pali is pretty useless as far as support. I'd say stick with 2rog/4ftr/14pali. It fits your goal better than the alternative.

Besides, the main reason for 12ftr is Kensai II, which gives a +8 str clicky. DMII, which you can get by 14 pali, gives +4 damage. Ignoring attack bonus, they're the same damage. The attack bonus is partially made up for by Divine Favor.

So, I should just stick with the 2rogue/ 14 pally/ 4 fighter..?
I like the kensai and what not, all of the haste boosts are nice, but I guess your right with the 4 pally not being much of a help.

[Bobthesponge]

I'm currently building a Paladin Rouge Fighter, but I need some help with the leveling.


well, with a paladin's high charisma you should already have +3 makeup application skills, but the fighter levels won't help - i would suggest bard for the extra Bard Style Boost. i would try to get a sparkly greensteele rouge applicator as soon as you can because the standard stuff is frankly ****. i mean, who wants a holey rouge applicator? all the rouge falls through the holes and it is uneven. pretty slapdash all around.

and finally, as an aside, i would never wear white dragon scale armor after labor day. it just isn't done.

[Bobthesponge]

Pali and Fighter don't really mix that well.

Strongly Disagree! Circle gets a Square!

some of the best intimitank builds for intim+saves+self healing is a pally/ftr mix. usually goes 18 pally/2 ftr. it depends on the playstyle you are looking for and yes, i realise OP was looking for DPS so this may not be what he wants.

but still, once you get holy sword you can use your ingredients to craft shroud AC/guard/con-op items instead of weapons because the holy sword breaks just about all DR. this is a highly useful build.

[dkyle]

Strongly Disagree! Circle gets a Square!

some of the best intimitank builds for intim+saves+self healing is a pally/ftr mix. usually goes 18 pally/2 ftr. it depends on the playstyle you are looking for and yes, i realise OP was looking for DPS so this may not be what he wants.

Ok, Pali and Fighter don't really mix that well if you're looking for DPS. I thought that was obvious considering the name of the thread.

[Steveohio]

What about a 12 ftr(kensai 2) 6 paladin(defender of siberys) and 2 rogue (umd/SA/evasion)

Allows you suberb dps and feats from the 12 fighter levels, additional threat and tanking ability via dos(and the stat bonuses in stance), as well as the paladin divine might/aura/divine aura for better saves, and the 2 rogue for the above.

a 14/4/2 split just doesnt make much sense to me unless you want the 14 levels of paladin for the holy swords. but then you miss out on zeal(10% haste) cure crit, etc. You would be much better served going 18paladin/2rogue if your looking at 14 paladin.

14 ftr makes 0 sense to me. stay at 12 for kensai 2, greater weapon specialization.

[cyadra]

why 4 levels of pally and not 2?

[sigtrent]

These days paladin and fighter are different but pretty balanced.

If you like being self sufficient then favor the paladin. Fighter has the advantage of many feats to play around with but none of them will heal you.

Paladin 14, fighter 4, rogue 2 is pretty good. You could give or take a couple paladin levels depending on what you like more. You might want to figure out how many feats you need, and then base the fighter levels on that since you are just taking it for feats.

The fighter 14 paladin 4, rogue 2 is not a logical split. 12/6/2 makes some good sense, especially for a defensive oriented character with good dps options.

[lord_of_rage]

[rog/mnk]. Pali and Fighter don't really mix that well.



That is a very inaccurate statement. 1 fighter lvl gives a paladin 2 feats. You get tower shield and one selectable feat. It opens up fighter haste boost 1 and full ranks of intimidate. Having just lesser rezed my human dos to 18 pally 1 ftr 1 rogue from 18 pally 2 ftr I can validate a fighter splash. I wouldnt do it on a pure dps build. But on a DOS absolutely.

[TechNoFear]

a 14/4/2 split just doesnt make much sense to me unless you want the 14 levels of paladin for the holy swords. but then you miss out on zeal(10% haste) cure crit, etc.

This is not correct.

A 14 paladin can cast one lvl 4 spell (Zeal or Holy Sword). You cast Holy Sword when you log in and then swap to Zeal (the Holy Sword will last for 30 mins after you log out).

BTW Even though my paladins have GS SP and Conc Opp items they very rarely cast cure spells. SP are better saved for keeping Zeal, Angel Skin and Divine Favor (extended) up at all times and wands used for healing between fights.