My final request for GS deconstruction

[Oreg]

I know the horse has been beaten and is merely a corpse at this time but I have one more suggestion for consideration.

Lesser Deconstruction: 1500 Turbine Pts. You keep all large ingredients and Shards. The rest is gone.

Greater Deconstruction: 1750 Turbine Pts. You keep all medium and large ingredients including shards. The rest is gone.

True Deconstruction: 2000 Turbine Pts. You keep all ingredients and shards.

Obviously power cells do not get returned in any scenario. The point values are examples and can be adjusted. Personally I'd pay $15-$20 to deconstruct items fully.

It is a win win situation. Turbine makes some nice cash and their customers are happy.

Make it happen!

*edit* I'm even ok with shards being lost with power cells.

[Comfortably]

Omfg Yes Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Angelus_dead]

Honestly they should give out deconstruction tokens for free whenever they launch a change such as Ninja Spy, Whirling Steel Strike, or glancing bastards (restricted to characters who are judged "relevant" to the change based on the gs items they already have).

But attaching a Turbine Point cost could make them more willing to do the work. They could also do both: add an Essence of Deconstruction to the Shroud 20th list, but also sell them for TP.

[Eladiun]

I know the horse has been beaten and is merely a corpse at this time but I have one more suggestion for consideration.

Lesser Deconstruction: 1500 Turbine Pts. You keep all large ingredients and Shards. The rest is gone.

Greater Deconstruction: 1750 Turbine Pts. You keep all medium and large ingredients including shards. The rest is gone.

True Deconstruction: 2000 Turbine Pts. You keep all ingredients and shards.

Obviously power cells do not get returned in any scenario. The point values are examples and can be adjusted. Personally I'd pay $15-$20 to deconstruct items fully.

It is a win win situation. Turbine makes some nice cash and their customers are happy.

Make it happen!

*edit* I'm even ok with shards being lost with power cells.


It should not cost TP...It should have an associate plat cost and be a large plat sync but not TP.

[shaolaolint]

I am behind any GS deconstruction. Mistakes happen also with new enhancement lines and such many are gonna be redoing their toons to realign the toons and to sink more tme to replace old GS is taking away from the fun and making it more of a grind

[Vorn]

Yes, please! Maybe give us an option to earn one or find one as a very rare drop or put it in the store and charge us TP's. That way everyone wins when the rules of the game change!
:)

[Lorien_the_First_One]

But attaching a Turbine Point cost could make them more willing to do the work. They could also do both: add an Essence of Deconstruction to the Shroud 20th list, but also sell them for TP.

This is a really good approach. Those who want to grind to death can, and those who would prefer to pay can, and would be more willing to do so since they have options.

I like it.

Heck, make the Essence only work on the final alter too, just like the cleansers.

[Aerniel]

This could extremely benefit some TR's

I TR'd my ranger into a Barbarian and I really dont see him using my tier 3 Pos bow. Or the T2 Bastard sword or Short sword that she has. :) They're collecting dust in my bank!

[Oreg]

It should not cost TP...It should have an associate plat cost and be a large plat sync but not TP.

That gives them no incentive other than removing plat from the game which they have shown no interest in doing in the past. Selling deconstruction in the store gives them a financial interest in doing so.

[Dirac]

A dead horse worth beating every time it comes up. Excellent idea, as always. I think TP is a perfect way to go about doing it. People can always grind more and not pay, but Turbine will make money hands over fist selling GS deconstruction.

[Kambuk]

Even if they don't want to do the whole deconstuction thing it would be nice to be able to combine an upgraded Greensteel with a blank to change it's base type.

Surely that wouldn't be that hard compared with the whole deconstruction issue.

Kambuk

[Sweyn]

That gives them no incentive other than removing plat from the game which they have shown no interest in doing in the past. Selling deconstruction in the store gives them a financial interest in doing so.

Turbine shouldn't need the "Incentive of Money" to add improvements to the game, they should add them because it is their job and their responsibility to improve the game and listen to what the community wants, instead of just saying "Well if we add in this, what's in it for us?" Because if they do have that attitude, that is a horrible way to run a business.

The above is how it should be, but alas i have lost my faith in Turbine

[Oreg]

Turbine shouldn't need the "Incentive of Money" to add improvements to the game, they should add them because it is their job and their responsibility to improve the game and listen to what the community wants, instead of just saying "Well if we add in this, what's in it for us?" Because if they do have that attitude, that is a horrible way to run a business.

The above is how it should be, but alas i have lost my faith in Turbine

Not sure what you do as a profession but the incentive to make money is what drives businesses and allows them to produce better, cheaper products and employ more people. In order to improve the game and listen to their customer base, they need money. Outside of a handful of business models it is the only way to run a business. Please lets not derail this thread with nonsense.

[Sweyn]

Not sure what you do as a profession but the incentive to make money is what drives businesses and allows them to produce better, cheaper products and employ more people. In order to improve the game and listen to their customer base, they need money. Outside of a handful of business models it is the only way to run a business. Please lets not derail this thread with nonsense.

Ok.. i pay my 15 bucks a month to play this game. What you are saying is that it's ok for Turbine to say "Unless you pay us more money past the 15 dollars a month, then we won't come out with any more "stuff" since there is nothing in it for us."

Turbine's incentive should be to have more people subscribe to the game, which in turn makes them money. IMO, it is morally wrong for a company to charge you more money for something you should already have access to via your $15 subscription.

You never know, maybe if they listened to customers more, and created a game the people asked for, then maybe the Turbine Store wouldn't have been necessary.. as Turbine would be making a lot of money through subscriptions.

[bratos]

I'm completley on board with the OP

[Oreg]

Thanks for your input Sweyn.

Now, let's get back to the topic at hand....If we can get some more positive feedback we have a long shot at being recognized by Turbine. Yes, I know it's a slim chance but it makes sense for them.

[Nezichiend]

Please... No... TPs.

Make it a rare bound to character drop from shroud part 5. Or have it as a reward option for 20th, give us one at 20th. Or just make it a certain number of portal fragments, healing totems and orthon armour nails or w/e drops in there.

[Rav'n]

PLAT and a Shard... pure and simple! Why should we have to pay (TP) to fix something Turbing Broke?
Make it a Supreme Shard and Plat. And have the skellie guy in Part 3 of the Shroud do it.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

This could extremely benefit some TR's

I TR'd my ranger into a Barbarian and I really dont see him using my tier 3 Pos bow. Or the T2 Bastard sword or Short sword that she has. :) They're collecting dust in my bank!

My dwarven barb may become a dwarven ranger, not because that's what I want, but because I'm not giving up dual T3 Dwarven axes. The fun factor would improve with more flexibiltiy.


Please... No... TPs.

Make it a rare bound to character drop from shroud part 5. Or have it as a reward option for 20th, give us one at 20th. Or just make it a certain number of portal fragments, healing totems and orthon armour nails or w/e drops in there.

Please no rare bound unless its AN OPTION, similar to how TR has TP and grinding options. The LAST thing I want is another forced grind added to avoid the grind of replacing miscrafted items (or items superceeded)

[Kalari]

Definitely on board with this Oreg I like the way you broke it down like the Reincarnates and I would spend the TP's ive made a few mistakes here and there (drunk crafting is not ftw sigh) so id shell out real dough if it meant deconstructing my Lightning bow and actually making it a proper L2 or getting rid of some of those off the wall blanks that I accidentally made :( sighs at my light pick and morningstar...

Seriously giving them a good breakdown of how this can be integrated with the store and the TP function to me is a good way to maybe get those who call the shots into this. Whether we like it or not its about business and while some people may not like the idea of shelling out money to fix mistakes this is one of the things Id definitely do so for.

[Kistilan]

PLAT and a Shard... pure and simple! Why should we have to pay (TP) to fix something Turbing Broke?
Make it a Supreme Shard and Plat. And have the skellie guy in Part 3 of the Shroud do it.

I agree with a combo of this.

Supreme Shard (found) + Plat = Deconstruct with 12.5% chance of losing a material component of the deconstructed item. This is 1 in 8 chances of not getting exactly what you want, taking a step towards realism of deconstructing (refining) any item, etc.

Pristine Shard (purchased via TP) = Deconstruct with 0% chance of losing a material component of the deconstructed item. This is so you get exactly what you paid real money for and offers an out-of-game solution for those who do not wish to do it the free way or do not wish to take the chance of losing a component.

[Asketes]

when there are things like that, that cannot be earned in game: broken

there should always be a way to earn that in the game as well.

otherwise, let me buy my cleansing essance, +4 tomes and Knost's ring pelase



oh and the OP needs to rethink his business logic:

lesser would be tier one ingredients kept (1250 TP)

Greater would be tier one and two (1750 TP)

True would be all ingredients and the GS blank kept (2500TP)

[sirgog]

One technical issue: I think the various crafting altars can only spit out one type of item per use, so I doubt you could put in a Tier 3 GS item and get back 6 scales, 4 Stones, 5 Arrows, 4 Shraps, 3 Chains and 2 Bones.

Instead, what they could do is let you put a Tier 3 upgraded GS item in an altar with an energy cell and an Essence of Deconstruction (available in the same way Large Horns are, plus also on the DDO store) and get back 12 or 24 'Mysterious Ingredients'.

A collector in town will then offer you a random large item for each ingredient (one at a time), but with drop rates not all equal - the drop rates should be the average rate at which ingredients are used.


I'm all for GS deconstruction, however. Anything to reduce the Shroud grind.

[Josh]

If we had something like the CSM, this could be implemented.

[Oreg]

when there are things like that, that cannot be earned in game: broken

there should always be a way to earn that in the game as well.

otherwise, let me buy my cleansing essance, +4 tomes and Knost's ring pelase



oh and the OP needs to rethink his business logic:

lesser would be tier one ingredients kept (1250 TP)

Greater would be tier one and two (1750 TP)

True would be all ingredients and the GS blank kept (2500TP)

The logic behind it was that the initial deconstruction buy gives the greatest return (large ingredients). Followed by lower increments for those that also want the easier to get ingredients back. To simplify it for you - those who don't want to pay the higher levels still get the best benefit. But hey thanks for the business lesson. I'll add it to the knowledge I have acquired over 15 years of running the sales team of a large successful business.

[Kistilan]

when there are things like that, that cannot be earned in game: broken

there should always be a way to earn that in the game as well.

otherwise, let me buy my cleansing essance, +4 tomes and Knost's ring pelase



oh and the OP needs to rethink his business logic:

lesser would be tier one ingredients kept (1250 TP)

Greater would be tier one and two (1750 TP)

True would be all ingredients and the GS blank kept (2500TP)

That's pretty good. I would knock the 1250 TP cost down to 1,000, the 1750 to 1500, and the 2500 to 2000. That's still $20 a pop for each weapon. And then calculate the TR factor into this, the potential for $20 raining like candy on the Turbine Fiscal Accounts is high.

And yeah, I agree that the ability should be available as an in-game "found" item too. I am still for the potential of the in-game item having a greater "risk" (probabiliy) factor than the purchased ones. Thus the ability is there, but the reality is the only "100%" certain way of succeeding is via purchase to give an additional incentive for the purchase for those who do not accept the risk of playing the game. (low jab to the stomach for you Easy Button folk) ;)

[Asketes]

The logic behind it was that the initial deconstruction buy gives the greatest return (large ingredients). Followed by lower increments for those that also want the easier to get ingredients back. To simplify it for you - those who don't want to pay the higher levels still get the best benefit. But hey thanks for the business lesson. I'll add it to the knowledge I have acquired over 15 years of running the sales team of a large successful business.


well everyone wants their larges back, so everyone would need to purchase the true one.

why would you get the rarest ingredients back from a lesser? seems a bit out of touch.

who's gonna pay the most money to get the easiest stuff?

lol @ the last part of your msg, overcompensating much?

To simplify things for you: I win, and you lose... the game

[Oreg]

well everyone wants their larges back, so everyone would need to purchase the true one.

why would you get the rarest ingredients back from a lesser? seems a bit out of touch.

who's gonna pay the most money to get the easiest stuff?

lol @ the last part of your msg, overcompensating much?

simply, i win

Think of it as upgrades/ You pay the most for the car and then add incremental costs for the upgrades. Make fun all you want but it is a more standard pricing structure than what you propose. Grats on winning.

[Asketes]

Think of it as upgrades/ You pay the most for the car and then add incremental costs for the upgrades. Make fun all you want but it is a more standard pricing structure than what you propose. Grats on winning.

i just threw price points in there to demonstrate the jump from the greater to the true.

don't really care about winning, it was merely comical you got immediately defensive.

besides it's too much fun to really get upset over. right?

[Oreg]

i just threw price points in there to demonstrate the jump from the greater to the true.

don't really care about winning, it was merely comical you got immediately defensive.

besides it's too much fun to really get upset over. right?

Not upset at all. Just trying to explain why I choose that pricing structure. And it was in response to your comment about my business logic. Did I take it personally? Of Course I did - you wrote it as a personal assessment of my logic. But in response I did try and explain the logic to you. Take it for what you will.....

[Asketes]

Not upset at all. Just trying to explain why I choose that pricing structure. And it was in response to your comment about my business logic. Did I take it personally? Of Course I did - you wrote it as a personal assessment of my logic. But in response I did try and explain the logic to you. Take it for what you will.....

fair enough :D

Cheers