are battle axes really that bad?

[rendet]

I was recently in a shroud and was laughed at for having 2 +5 met of pg battle axes equiped before part 4 of shroud. My logic was that my min2 kopeshes are only tier 2 and I needed some dr bypassing weapons to contribute in shroud. I found battle axes to be by far the cheapest weapons and bought 2 for less than 100k plat each. I hold aggro just by hate tanking in part 4 with those and they do substantially more dps than my tier 2 min2's. are battle axes seriously that terrible? I think they are great base damage and am tempted to even save myself a feat and go min2 axes. What do you think? Would I lose a lot of dps as opposed to kopesh are dwarven axe? I realize that exotic weapons deal more damage overall but I'm just curious as to why this individual thought it necessary to laugh at my gear. Any thoughts?

[Newtons_Apple]

I was recently in a shroud and was laughed at for having 2 +5 met of pg battle axes equiped before part 4 of shroud. My logic was that my min2 kopeshes are only tier 2 and I needed some dr bypassing weapons to contribute in shroud. I found battle axes to be by far the cheapest weapons and bought 2 for less than 100k plat each. I hold aggro just by hate tanking in part 4 with those and they do substantially more dps than my tier 2 min2's. are battle axes seriously that terrible? I think they are great base damage and am tempted to even save myself a feat and go min2 axes. What do you think? Would I lose a lot of dps as opposed to kopesh are dwarven axe? I realize that exotic weapons deal more damage overall but I'm just curious as to why this individual thought it necessary to laugh at my gear. Any thoughts?

Don't listen to them. You did what you could, based on the resources available to you, to contribute to the group's success. Yes, battleaxes are not optimal. But you are in the process of crafting the best one-handed weapons in the game. The axes will work until you're done crafting your khopeshe(s).

I would stay with khopesh- like I said they are the best single handed weapons, and you're already making them anyway. They are definitely worth the feat.

[Visty]

next time soneone laughs at you cause of those battleaxes, tell him to give you 2 +5 met of pg kopeshes or keep their mouth shut

they would have complained more if you had nothing to beat his DR

[FuzzyDuck81]

presumably just because battleaxes arent the optimal combination of crit multiplier, crit range & base damage, and some people like to mock anyone who isnt the most optimised uber-l33t setup to compensate their self-imposed e-peen insecurities? :)

Still, as they're capable of bypassing DR while still having decent damage, i cant really see the problem with having them.. better than the unfinished min2 peshes by far.

[Docta_PoPo]

dr bypassing battle axes are not bad at all. They just aren't quite as good as a similar khopesh or dwarven axe.

However the fact the someone laugh at you just shows that they have a very narrow understanding of the game, this game is too easy to "need" the best items in the game. And there will be pugs who dont make the effort to get weapons that can beat that dps and will use mineral 1s, the guy should be happy your trying.

[dkyle]

Also, with Harry's fortification, the difference between Battleaxe and Khopesh is reduced quite a bit. Still worth upgrading to Min II Khopeshes certainly.

[Drfirewater79]

problem isnt weather or not battle axes are bad or not .. its are they good or not

dwarven axe does way more damage with x3 ... khopesh has higher crit range
but both require feats or race restriction in place of feat (why i love being a dwarven fighter)

really i wouldnt waste my larges on min II's but that is a personal choice ... just like the choice of easy to find battle axe vs the highly sought after extreamly rare khopesh/dwarven axe of uberness.

i used to use battle axes all the time .. .until i started caring about my dps numbers and until you do .... battle axes are great ... especially vorpals cause really natural 20 is the same no matter what weapon its on.

[Drfirewater79]

dr bypassing battle axes are not bad at all. They just aren't quite as good as a similar khopesh or dwarven axe.

However the fact the someone laugh at you just shows that they have a very narrow understanding of the game, this game is too easy to "need" the best items in the game. And there will be pugs who dont make the effort to get weapons that can beat that dps and will use mineral 1s, the guy should be happy your trying.

I agree with you about ease of game ... that is until you go into hard or elite then the challenge is a little higher ... this is the reason you dont see daily elite shrouds (though lag has alot to do with it aswell)

yesterday in random pug where maybe half where well equipt and at least 3 lvl 16's in party we still beat harry in part 4 in one round ... i didnt even dual wield ( my norm) while doing the intimidate part ... didnt even break out my metalline pure goods (but did wail away with my lightning strike and my new lorreks shield that i got in the raid before it) .... game is way easy on normal .... the way it should be .... that is what hard and elite are for .... challenge normal is for enjoyment .... casual is for lazy or under equipt learning ....

I just wanted to clarify that normal is easy and it should be that way ... cause alot of people go on and on about this game is too easy but then they never play epic or elite missions and often solo or two man missions on normal where its uber easy.

(eg I two man on normal gen point just two monks takes little over 40 mins no deaths full group on normal takes 36 mins and you got people who either dont know where they are going or dont trust you to lead it blah blah blah ... rather do it on elite if i am gonna have to go through all that trouble or just two man it)

[grodon9999]

. . . but I'm just curious as to why this individual thought it necessary to laugh at my gear. Any thoughts?

That's easy, he was an @sshole :)

[Psyk0sisS]

You obviously made the proper choice to use something to bypass his DR rather than doing less dmg. About a week ago a few from my guild took another small / new guild into their first shroud. We passed out the best dr bypassing wpns we had banked, I had 3 light maces and a great sword. With a far less than optimum makeup and geared group, we still 2 rounded Harry.

So screw that dude who wanted to make himself feel better by laughing at you. :p

[Kriogen]

If you don't like Khopesh, then maybe Warhammer? May not be the best damage, but you'll be unstopable stun machine.

And that "laughing individual" was <insert something censored>.

[rendet]

problem isnt weather or not battle axes are bad or not .. its are they good or not

dwarven axe does way more damage with x3 ... khopesh has higher crit range
but both require feats or race restriction in place of feat (why i love being a dwarven fighter)

really i wouldnt waste my larges on min II's but that is a personal choice ... just like the choice of easy to find battle axe vs the highly sought after extreamly rare khopesh/dwarven axe of uberness.

i used to use battle axes all the time .. .until i started caring about my dps numbers and until you do .... battle axes are great ... especially vorpals cause really natural 20 is the same no matter what weapon its on.

Honestly, even my cleric dual wields min2's. Granted his +to hit can hit near 50. But I am making min2's to save myself the improved critical feat and because above normal settings min2's are more dps in shroud/tod/epic dq (from what I've read). My specialty is clerics though so when it comes to dps I am a n00b. Ya I will stick with kopesh.

[Chai]

I was recently in a shroud and was laughed at for having 2 +5 met of pg battle axes equiped before part 4 of shroud. My logic was that my min2 kopeshes are only tier 2 and I needed some dr bypassing weapons to contribute in shroud. I found battle axes to be by far the cheapest weapons and bought 2 for less than 100k plat each. I hold aggro just by hate tanking in part 4 with those and they do substantially more dps than my tier 2 min2's. are battle axes seriously that terrible? I think they are great base damage and am tempted to even save myself a feat and go min2 axes. What do you think? Would I lose a lot of dps as opposed to kopesh are dwarven axe? I realize that exotic weapons deal more damage overall but I'm just curious as to why this individual thought it necessary to laugh at my gear. Any thoughts?

/sarcasm on

Sounds like you got happened apon by a min maxer, and he gave you the old work over. There are quite a few people who play this game who believe that if you are not using the most powerful weapon in the game, youre gimped. This kind of absolutism is starting to plague the game more and more. On a 50% fort boss, the khopesh junkie gets one more crit per 20 swings average on a build with improved crit slash. In all other aspects the khopesh and battle ax are the same.

This debate between khopesh -vs- any other weapons has already been had like a baby, grew up, and had babies of its own. It is the grandaddy of all absolutist min maxer trump cards. 1 more crit every 20 swings on a 50% fort mob makes their toon teh_uber_steez while everyone else is clearly gimped.

The reason this person laughed at your gear? Low pixelated self esteem, why else? If your build wasnt stamped out of the cookie cutter Cannith keebler khopesh factory, you must be gimped, or failed math class. Next time an absolutist min maxer with khopeshs equipped laughs at your weapons, tell them to take their balls out of their purse and man up to the Epic SOS. Until they do so, they lose the dps battle. Doing so when playing "Live to Win" over your chat line will earn you extra points from me. :p

You may now resume playing your non cookie cutter toon.

[Missing_Minds]

Sounds like the person was one of the vomit spewers from general chat. You did the correct thing.

[ghettoGenius]

People crack me up ... or **** me off lol. No one should be laughing at you or anyone else for not having the most optimized weapon set, especially since what were talking about is a set of MoPG.

Seriously, is it that big of a deal, why dont we just all use khopeshes then?

Im resisting the urge to go into a huge tirade about this, but it disturbs and amuses me at the same time. I mean I like to min/max with the rest of them, but after a while it just seems old and boring to use the same weapons over and over on various characters. Eventually I started using less popular weapons like daggers/qstaves just to be different and save some plat. I still think rogues should get dagger weapon bonuses. A good player can easily overcome minor weapon deficiencies to still be very effective. In fact, my lvl 15 rogue uses +4 MoPG daggers for shroud and doesnt have a problem. If anyone were to talk s*&t I would be sure to tea bag them when they go down before me lol.

[Lleren]

You came prepared with DR breaking weapons and they want to ***** about it?

Next time just laugh at them.

[Bufo_Alvarius]

If your build wasnt stamped out of the cookie cutter Cannith keebler khopesh factory, you must be gimped, or failed math class.

/thread

[Schmoe]

problem isnt weather or not battle axes are bad or not .. its are they good or not

dwarven axe does way more damage with x3 ... khopesh has higher crit range
but both require feats or race restriction in place of feat (why i love being a dwarven fighter)

Battle axe: 1d8, 20/x3
Dwarven axe: 1d10, 20/x3

An average of +1 damage advantage for the dwarven axe = insignificant at high levels. If he's not a dwarf, it's not worth the feat. The Khopesh is better only by virtue of it's crit range, and that advantage disappears against heavily fortified opponents.

The battle axe is a good weapon, especially if you've itemized it well. Sure, it's not "optimal", but there's far more to the game than being "optimal".


really i wouldnt waste my larges on min II's but that is a personal choice ... just like the choice of easy to find battle axe vs the highly sought after extreamly rare khopesh/dwarven axe of uberness.

i used to use battle axes all the time .. .until i started caring about my dps numbers and until you do .... battle axes are great ... especially vorpals cause really natural 20 is the same no matter what weapon its on.

[Khanyth]

next time soneone laughs at you cause of those battleaxes, tell him to give you 2 +5 met of pg kopeshes or keep their mouth shut

they would have complained more if you had nothing to beat his DR

Amen.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Some people in this game are just morons and only have every optimal item for every situation in this game because THEY HAVE NO LIFE!....if I were you I would be the one laughing at them for not being such a loser.

Sorry, if u play ur life away in this game and think I am going to respect you because you have a bloodstone, Epic SoS, Firestorm Greaves, the TOD set upgraded...blah blah blah....ur sadly mistaken.

Sorry, I'll take my health, sanity and a breath of fresh air anyday over any of that junk and be happy with my metalline daggers of pure good if it's the best I have.

[Bekki]

next time soneone laughs at you cause of those battleaxes, tell him to give you 2 +5 met of pg kopeshes or keep their mouth shut

they would have complained more if you had nothing to beat his DR


That's easy, he was an @sshole :)


Sounds like the person was one of the vomit spewers from general chat. You did the correct thing.

I think these three sum it up nicely... :p

You do the best you can in this game... That is all,
you saw a need, you filled that need approriately within your means...

You did good, and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
Twin mettaline battleaxes of PG beat "nothing"... All day long...

And Twice on Sundays... :D

Don't sweat the morons... ;)