Generosity = noob?

[kitselli]

So, a couple weeks back I was running desert chest on my rogue (14ro/2f) with a decent group. We had run thru about 4 or 5 times with a shield and a dusk heart drop during that. Then, lo and behold, the spellstoring ring drops for me. As I didn't need it, per se; AND the leader was actively searching for it. SO I just say here ya go...

In what universe is that wrong? Sure I could've sold it or traded it to him, but I was feeling pretty altruistic. I just don't get people sometimes.
I had several comments about it, but need not go into that...

[DiAGO77]

I think that was very kind of you but you could have used it to trade exatly what you wanted and still demand a huge chunk of platinum on top of that and noone would hold it against you except trolls .
Only the test of time will tell if it was worth it to give it away , go on the wiki and do research on the map and what it drops , checkout the trading forums to see what is hot and then if you are still kind enough to not need rare items so be it , I honestly might have declined that ring from you if it were me for fear of you not knowing what it beholds and even if I was actively searching for it .
When people give me something out of a chest , I mail them freebies and keep my eye open for things they need until I feel I have repayed them . Giving goes a long way in this game but for some reason the dbags will still prosper , make sure they are decent people or have a good attitude before you give stuff away I cannot stress that enough .
For the record I have found one myself and it changed everything for my character .

[Elfvyra]

I don't see anything wrong with what you did. I do the same thing as often as I can. I'm a strong believer of Need before Greed, but it's getting to be a rarity these days. Waaay too many people have been bitten by the greed bug. You see it in the AH everyday.

Keep up the good work and don't let the greedies get you down.... ;)

[Zaodan]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c53/RPGamerd00d/Gaming/TheN00bIsStrong.jpg

Just Kidding!!!!!
:D

Don't worry what other people think, its just a game.

[mws2970]

I passed a Bauble to our party leader in Weapons Shipment because I knew she had been farming for it. No one said a word about it publicly, but I also stated very clearly before we started our farming runs that I was going to do so if I pulled it.

All I got out of it was a friend who has invited me to group with her on many occasions. She also let me group with her on my very first epic run. Trust me, it was worth it.

[Eladiun]

I passed a Bauble to our party leader in Weapons Shipment because I knew she had been farming for it. No one said a word about it publicly, but I also stated very clearly before we started our farming runs that I was going to do so if I pulled it.

All I got out of it was a friend who has invited me to group with her on many occasions. She also let me group with her on my very first epic run. Trust me, it was worth it.

For a lot of us the social aspect is more important than who has the biggest toys. Being generous is never a bad thing...having the most in your bank isn't the whole game. After all what is that ring but 1 and 0's.

[cwfergtx]

If you did not need it and you KNOW an items value before giving it away that is fine. But if you did not know the true value of the item and the party leader begs and whines about needing it to get you to give it to him then no it is not fair. I run with a lot of players and sometimes they will say hey if you get this item or that item they can use it I will sometimes give it to them because they give me items when I tell them I could use a certain item. Here are some examples of trades I have done

Bloodstone 550kp
Bloodstone & Ring of Spell Storing 8 +2 Tomes
Bloodstone and Firestorm Greaves 24 lg ingredients
Bloodstone 300kp and 2 lg scales

[Chai]

LOL people are likely mad, because if this becomes expected behaviour due to too many generous people (dear god no!) they wont be able to hold their loot pull hostage and demand a boatload of plat or epic crafting ingredients for all the nice juicy stuff they pulled and have no use for.

Good on you for helping someone out, even if it means having to hold up your tarp you brought to the show to ensure that none of the troll sauce gets splashed on you.

[vindicater]

I don't see anything wrong with what you did. I do the same thing as often as I can. I'm a strong believer of Need before Greed, but it's getting to be a rarity these days. Waaay too many people have been bitten by the greed bug. You see it in the AH everyday.

Keep up the good work and don't let the greedies get you down.... ;)

I gave away the sheild of light and darkness the other day and have given many and received many gifts in game. I feel that if you are not broke or farming the item yourself eather to use or as trade bait why not pass it on.

[mws2970]

For a lot of us the social aspect is more important than who has the biggest toys. Being generous is never a bad thing...having the most in your bank isn't the whole game. After all what is that ring but 1 and 0's.

+1 to rep

I play what I consider a fun game to have fun. It seems as if you do as well, and the OP too. Kudos to both of you!

[AzhureDragon]

Kitselli, just keep being you. Let the others be jealous, miffed, or whatever bug crawled in their britches. I received a +4 Adamantine Full Plate Armor from someone being nice. I was shocked at the generosity, and tried to pay something but only had a few hundred pp. He was having a "garage sale" and giving away stuff. He received comments about "Should be putting that up for Auction or selling it" HE told them to bugger off - was his stuff to do with as he wished.

It will always be your items to do with as you wish. People will make comments - ignore them! You've made someone happy and accomplished your goal!

[krud]

Don't give the negative comments a second thought.

I passed a scourge choker to a random barbarian pug who had been farming one for a long time. I've had a friend pass my rogue Tharne's goggles on my very first VoD. I looted an IC raiments for my clr/mnk. People in the group who were helping someone else farm for it on 4 or 5 previous runs weren't too pleased. I stuck around for another run, and lo and behold I pulled another. It was immediately passed to the fellow who was looking for it.

What comes around goes around. Just enjoy yourself.

[Skirmish]

I normally ask if someone in the party is after something in particular either when we start a quest/chain or when we are about to open final chest/s. If it's not something I'm after, I often give it away. The exceptions being the few things i can use when I loot them for the very first time for my alts. The primary example being the Phoenix Regalia I looted earlier today. No one in the group mentioned it when I asked starting out that they were after it and I haven't looted one yet, so after everyone took their gear (including a Terror, and a Dream Edge) I took it to hand off to my caster.

I've given away a lot of named gear that was of no use to my current characters at the time. Once you get high enough level, it's easy enough to make the plat you need so why bother being greedy. Even only playing casually, I can pull in between 30-50k plat a day just running stuff like The Inspired Quarter missions to farm disc's/essences and The Vale for kills. I just sell the loot from running solo I don't need/want to the vendor and/or the Auction House.

Besides, you normally get one or all of three things by being so generous:
1. Trade items or some plat
2. At least a hardy thanks
3. Best of all, a lot more party invites as people realize your fun to run with and not a greedy tool.

Most of the time the groups I've been adopted by due to generosity are the ones that are more than willing to return the favor when something I've been hunting pops in the chest.

[guyge1]

I pay. Therefore I DO WHAT I WANT. I suggest everyone does the same. Haters are everywhere, but they are just jealous brats that think they know-it-all.

[Tinrae]

Very very cool of you OP. Don't worry about the naysayers. Some players just worry more about video game money than others.

If I were in that party I'd have commended you and added you to my friend's list right away as someone cool to group with. :)

[Thrudh]

Like someone else said... if you know what's it worth, then very cool to give it away...

If you have no idea what's something is worth and you give it away, then that is a newb move...

And that's not an insult... I just feel bad for you, and mad at the guy who tricked you...

I saw someone pull a w/p rapier once, the leader offered him 1 million gold for it when the going rate at the time was like 40 million gold...

I barely saved that newb... :)

[Irinis]

A monk passed my wiz her napkin on her first Reaver, I still remember that. I have everything I want from Reaver and VOD and continue to run them anyway - I still have fun in the raid and if I can get a drop of something someone else wants that's a bonus. On my bard's 20th Reaver, got the napkin for her very soon TR to wiz... felt bad for pulling it with 4 arcanes in the party but I had been clear upfront it was the only item I was looking for. (And it didn't show in end reward list so I'm VERY happy I took it.)

My personal raid loot policy:
If I can use, take
If I can't use:
If friend or guildie can use, give
If a friend I haven't made yet can use, give
If more than one friend or guildie can use, put for roll

Apparently rolling on items you don't need in order to give a friend an extra chance is a bad thing. I still don't quite understand that but don't do it anymore.

[Yagi]

Nothing wrong with it at all. You made a stranger's day, possibly even somebody across the ocean in a place you may never go, and it didnt cost you a thing.

If anybody says anything about you treating people the way you'd want to be treated, their opinion isnt worth considering Imo.

[Ashurr]

Got something similar going on over on Khyber ( link's here - http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=247922 ) It just seems like generosity makes you an idiot in this game * shrugs* I myself have taken to giving out lvel 1-3 gear in the Korthos tavern twice a week. Odd thing is*sarcasm implied*, people seems to enjoy generosity when it comes their way...or so it looks, as I've never gotten anything but good words from people I've helped.

[Morningfrost]

I agree, nothing wrong if you feel like to give it away items you don't need or don't use. I passed a Docent of Quickness to the only warforged in a random group, and I'm very lucky with the bauble, I passed three of them to casters, altought it never drops when i farm for it with my guild's clerics :(

Just do what you feel right and you will never regret it. It's only a game after all.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Quite honestly OP......karma pays very nicely.

Now you either made up for something wrong you did in the past with that gift.....or you will be rewarded in the future for that act....either way your fate should change for the better.

I give stuff away sometimes...and sometimes I don't......if I pull something really rare that I won't ever use, I usually give it to the person drooling over it.

Do what you will, if u would have kept it you wouldn't have been wrong......by giving it away you weren't wrong.......what would be wrong tho IMO is the intent of giving it to the person and holding them to owing you.

In that aspect karma immediately tears up your rain check and you are left with nothing but many bad emotions.

The most admirable trait of a random act of kindness, is not expecting anything back from the person you gave or did it for.

[samthedagger]

There is nothing wrong with giving stuff away. I'm curious who thinks giving something away is somehow wrong or n00b?

Now what is wrong, in my book, is expecting OTHER people to give stuff to you. To give is selfless. To demand that others give is selfISH. Had the party leader been somehow demanding the OP give him the ring because the OP (in his mind) didn't need it would be the height of self-importance and greed. I've seen people use thinly veiled threats against others who don't ascribe to their own ideas of "generosity" and that's just poor sportsmanship.

[vVAnjilaVv]

There is nothing wrong with giving stuff away. I'm curious who thinks giving something away is somehow wrong or n00b?

Now what is wrong, in my book, is expecting OTHER people to give stuff to you. To give is selfless. To demand that others give is selfISH. Had the party leader been somehow demanding the OP give him the ring because the OP (in his mind) didn't need it would be the height of self-importance and greed. I've seen people use thinly veiled threats against others who don't ascribe to their own ideas of "generosity" and that's just poor sportsmanship.

Yeah, I agree...never give something if they expect it from you unless arrangements were made beforehand.

Greed is probably the MMO players biggest bane.....and it is ever present here as well as anywhere else. That and the inability to read instructions and learn the game.

[Terelle]

My personal raid loot policy:
If I can use, take
If I can't use:
If friend or guildie can use, give
If a friend I haven't made yet can use, give
If more than one friend or guildie can use, put for roll

Apparently rolling on items you don't need in order to give a friend an extra chance is a bad thing. I still don't quite understand that but don't do it anymore.

With regards to rolling for a friend:

Situation, you and 1 friend (Person A) in a raid, 10 others there (Person B and 9 others).

Lets say an item pops that only Person A and Person B want. Possible scenarios:

Scenario 1: Person A and Person B both roll. Each has a 50% chance to get the item.

Scenario 2: Person A and Person B both roll. You also roll for person A. Now A has a 66% chance to get the item, B only has 33% chance.

Scenario 3: Person A and Person B both roll. You also roll for person A. Everyone else in the group rolls for person B. Person A has a 16% chance, Person B has an 83% chance.

Obviously there is a lot more rolling scenarios, and this is grossly simplified, but the point should be pretty clear: which scenario is the most fair, given that in each scenario, only 2 people actually want the item? By rolling for someone else, you are skewing the odds (random chance) in their favor by giving them more rolls. Or likewise, someone else is skewing the odds. If someone is giving loot away, all well and good. But if an item is put up for roll, it is being left up to random chance by the person who puts it up. By rolling for someone else, you're emphasizing greed (although altruistic greed for a friend) over need.

NB: Percentage chances in example rounded to 0 decimal places.

[Tymoriel_Ayreweaver]

I don't see anything wrong with what you did. I do the same thing as often as I can. I'm a strong believer of Need before Greed, but it's getting to be a rarity these days. Waaay too many people have been bitten by the greed bug. You see it in the AH everyday.

Keep up the good work and don't let the greedies get you down.... ;)

Greed on the auction house? You lie! You mean 12 million gold for 20 tapestries is too much? no way :p

[vVAnjilaVv]

With regards to rolling for a friend:

Situation, you and 1 friend (Person A) in a raid, 10 others there (Person B and 9 others).

Lets say an item pops that only Person A and Person B want. Possible scenarios:

Scenario 1: Person A and Person B both roll. Each has a 50% chance to get the item.

Scenario 2: Person A and Person B both roll. You also roll for person A. Now A has a 66% chance to get the item, B only has 33% chance.

Scenario 3: Person A and Person B both roll. You also roll for person A. Everyone else in the group rolls for person B. Person A has a 16% chance, Person B has an 83% chance.

Obviously there is a lot more rolling scenarios, and this is grossly simplified, but the point should be pretty clear: which scenario is the most fair, given that in each scenario, only 2 people actually want the item? By rolling for someone else, you are skewing the odds (random chance) in their favor by giving them more rolls. Or likewise, someone else is skewing the odds. If someone is giving loot away, all well and good. But if an item is put up for roll, it is being left up to random chance by the person who puts it up. By rolling for someone else, you're emphasizing greed (although altruistic greed for a friend) over need.

NB: Percentage chances in example rounded to 0 decimal places.

Yeah but luck does not play by percentages rules...it plays by it's own....at least in this game. Each roll is an individual chance...not cumulative.

Quite simply put...if the one person was meant to have it.....even if there were 1000 other people rolling against said person....they would get it.

We all know this is true, because you can look at the unrealistic answers people look for when they ask what the percentage of something rare dropping is. Some people get it in 1 try, some people DON'T get it in 100 tries.

Luck is luck, u won't define it with statistics ever.

Quite honestly, it is not the "greed bug" that has hit this game....it's more the expectation bug, people making builds that revolve around equipment they do not even have yet and being dissapointed if they don't have them by a certain time frame I think leads to a lot of greed and resentment. No matter how much in-game money you have.....it's not going to get you raid loot all the time...altho people will sell thier stuff to highest bidders sometimes or make pre-arrangements for sales.

Standard gear is what I make my builds around...everything else is icing on the cake, and grinding plat mindlessly to buy things for ridiculous plat is just not worth it. You can't BUY skill...you have to earn it.

[Terelle]

Yeah but luck does not play by percentages rules...it plays by it's own....at least in this game. Each roll is an individual chance...not cumulative.

Quite simply put...if the one person was meant to have it.....even if there were 1000 other people rolling against said person....they would get it.

We all know this is true, because you can look at the unrealistic answers people look for when they ask what the percentage of something rare dropping is. Some people get it in 1 try, some people DON'T get it in 100 tries.

Luck is luck, u won't define it with statistics ever.

Yes, each roll is an individual chance... but if we have a rolloff for an item, and you have 6 rolls and I have one, does that not favor you over me? You may claim that if I was 'fated' to get the item I would still get it... little consolation to me if you get it by virtue of your 5th or 6th roll.

And luck in this game is defined by statistics. Nobody actually knows the pop rate of a bloodstone, lets say it is 1%. Sometimes people get lucky and hit that 1% shot and it shows in the chest for them. Sometimes they don't. But saying the statistics don't define the luck is ludicrous. The statistics (chances of an item popping) are exactly what determines the luck.

This is a game of 1s and 0s, bits, bytes, and pixels. Fate does not come into it. Random chance does (Luck, if you want to put it that way). And multiple rolls skew the random chance. I don't care if 10 people roll for an item to keep for themselves. If they are rolling to stack the deck for someone else though, that just isn't cricket.

[Jasam01]

Did someone just try to claim inevitability? Seriously.
Your saying if destiny decides I will have it, the RNG will favour me no matter how stacked the odds?

.....

Goes somewhere else to laugh untill it hurts.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Whatever.......I guess you guys don't see things how I do........yes I am saying exactly that....you can grind for an eternity and never get a bloodstone.......that is luck....your statistics are not going to do a thing to change the outcome.

I don't care...test fate, and I will go find someplace to laugh until it hurts when you get your fingers burned.

[Psyk0sisS]

I remember when this game first came out, people were giving each other stuff ALL the time. You ran pugs and if you couldn't use an item, you gave it to whoever could use it best. Most people weren't out to collect plat, it was a very giving and generous game...we wanted to gear up everyone (maybe it was just the server...Reidra at the time). I still try to pass along items I know someone can use, especially if they have mentioned they're new to the game. Generosity needs to come back, it makes the play experience so much more fun and rewarding knowing you're helping someone out...just my opinion.

[vVAnjilaVv]

When this was a simple $15 dollar a month everyone has paid their dues type game this was possible.

Now the game revolves around a community of people who pay nothing that pike, veterans being forced into using the e-store which was never intended to impact gameplay ....hah!!! what a lie that was.........people aspiring to be like the pixelated heros of Ebberon and doing whatever they have to, to get it.

Generosity is nice...but now everytime I give something to somebody I can't help but to think they are pretending it's going to help thier character and in actuality just turning around and selling it on the AH.

Let's face it...pre-EU DDO is dead. I have adjusted, and thus am not as kind as I once used to be. Whereas I used to give people stuff all the time.....now it depends greatly on if I know the person and what kind of player they are.

Wanting to be nice and spread it's seed is good and all, but doing it amidst a generation of player that will never appreciate just screams doormat.

[Drfirewater79]

its your loot ... do what you want with it ...

here is a good example ... someone i know fairly well blew up at me the other day for out rolling him on a TOD ring i was on my monk who had one ring ( not a monk ring but a ring none the less) ... I made the joke earlier that i felt sorry for him cause i was gonna win the ring roll and he would end up with nothing .... low and behold the shintao ring drops ( i happen to wear the shintao necklace and prolly go shintao after update unless i get lucky and pick up ninja spy ring before then) and i win the roll.

man i never heard so much hate in all my life not in forums not in guild chat and not in PM's like that guy tried to lay on me .... and he isnt some kid he is a 35-45 year old man who runs TOD way more often then me.

truth be told we all have our jealious rage and our wish it was me BS that we sling at everyone who is a valid target for our own stupidity ... I know i have been raged out when a sorc rolls on chattering ring and wins it ..... or when there are 6 people wanting the titan belt and buddy who pulls it just gives it to the leader (not a guildie or anything grrr) but when its your loot you want to do whatever you want so people need to remember that much ...

any and every loot option especially since TRing came around allows for anyone to end up needing every item ... i know I wouldn't go completionist until i had every item for every class at every possible level ready to go for tweeking ....

people need to calm down ..... when its your loot .. .keep it or pass it or LET people roll on it.... its your choice ...

if someone wants to rage out cause they didnt get an option on the rare loot .... then let them be the baby .... you just bask in your glory ... or in the OP's case generosity.

being a good person with a generosity issue is not being a noob ... unless you piked the whole thing or spent the entire time running the wrong way just to have someone DDoor and guide you to the chest and then you pulled the ring and gave it away without knowing what it was ... then .... your a noob.

[cardmj1]

So, a couple weeks back I was running desert chest on my rogue (14ro/2f) with a decent group. We had run thru about 4 or 5 times with a shield and a dusk heart drop during that. Then, lo and behold, the spellstoring ring drops for me. As I didn't need it, per se; AND the leader was actively searching for it. SO I just say here ya go...

In what universe is that wrong? Sure I could've sold it or traded it to him, but I was feeling pretty altruistic. I just don't get people sometimes.
I had several comments about it, but need not go into that...

I am always giving away stuff that I don't need. I have even been known to put lg scales and stones up for role when I don't need them. Surprisingly, it came back one day. Over a year ago, I was helping some people farm for bloodstone and I pulled 2 in one day and gave both of them away because I was mainly running clerics at the time. About 2 months ago, I get a tell asking if I am Raincloud and answered yes. He asked for an invite to the party for a quick few minutes (running slayers in Amrath with a couple of friends) and said sure. He runs from God knows where and into the slayer, opens a trade window, and lo and behold!.. a bloodstone. He says thanks for helping him a while back, aids us real quick to kill a named, recalls and drops party.

I never expect the things I give away to come back, but that was unexpected and very nice.

[Drfirewater79]

When this was a simple $15 dollar a month everyone has paid their dues type game this was possible.

Now the game revolves around a community of people who pay nothing that pike, veterans being forced into using the e-store which was never intended to impact gameplay ....hah!!! what a lie that was.........people aspiring to be like the pixelated heros of Ebberon and doing whatever they have to, to get it.

Generosity is nice...but now everytime I give something to somebody I can't help but to think they are pretending it's going to help thier character and in actuality just turning around and selling it on the AH.

Let's face it...pre-EU DDO is dead. I have adjusted, and thus am not as kind as I once used to be. Whereas I used to give people stuff all the time.....now it depends greatly on if I know the person and what kind of player they are.

Wanting to be nice and spread it's seed is good and all, but doing it amidst a generation of player that will never appreciate just screams doormat.

I hate to say it after my being nice is your option rant above

but i agree with you ... i too often wonder when i give someone something how much i could have made on AH with it ... but then again i dont generally give anything away to people i dont know well .... even in pugs if i have pugged with the guy alot and i get something i dont feel i need on any of my characters and he really wants it (like sunblade for instance never use it on any characters but always get it when looking for icy) bam its his ...

But your average joe might take that weapon and sell it ... and even if he sells it at the base price ... that is money you SHOULD have made ...

case in point ... I once gave a random pug the jorgons collar (10% melee speed necklace item) I didnt need it as i wear neck items from amarath ..... I found out the next day he sold it for 5 million on AH over night ... when i was on my cleric playing with the guy (and his guildie who told me that he sold it) and said i was short of cash for scrolls .... guy didnt even offer to pick me up a couple 100 scrolls ...

not that i really cared but come on man ......

in this day and age ...... nothing is safe nothing is free .....

that being said if its your loot do whatever you want with it ... just don't be surprised if someone sells it behind your back and tries to keep it from you either.

[Drfirewater79]

Whatever.......I guess you guys don't see things how I do........yes I am saying exactly that....you can grind for an eternity and never get a bloodstone.......that is luck....your statistics are not going to do a thing to change the outcome.

I don't care...test fate, and I will go find someplace to laugh until it hurts when you get your fingers burned.

yup your right

but its like the lotto ...

if you dont play you can never win ..... grinding is a part of MMO's just as much as partying with people and hating development speed and team for no reason.

[Jasam01]

Sounds to me like someone doesn't understand how statistics work, or is soo determined to be greedy that they would rather call it 'fate' then admit they're just not playing fair by stacjking the odds aganst people.

On giving people stuff... Is it really worth that much thought?

[Hendrik]

To OP;

Karma. What comes around goes around. Your kindness and generosity will be repaid in full and usually when you least expect it.

Keep up the fine work!

:)

[Drfirewater79]

Sounds to me like someone doesn't understand how statistics work, or is soo determined to be greedy that they would rather call it 'fate' then admit they're just not playing fair by stacjking the odds aganst people.

On giving people stuff... Is it really worth that much thought?

luck is what loot generators are ... your STATS dex str con wis blah blah blah dont help at all with loot runs ...

its random so if your lucky it rolls the 1d100 and gets you the item your looking for ... of course if you dont open the chest you cannot get the item at all ....

as for the comment about is it really worth that much thought .... unfortunately yes

I agree with you to me it doesnt matter BUT go ahead and test it out ... if you loot run with different pugs especially with high end good players and you get stuff you dont need vocalize that you dont need it and sell it to the highest bidder in party and just keep it if no one wants to pay .. for a week straight .. .you will see the people who didnt bid at all will not invite you to raids will not invite you to party and will not invite you to loot runs ....

in that same week if you let everyone ROLL on your items .. .you will see the opposite .. people will ask you to come to raids all the time and loot runs all the time just because you MIGHT let them roll on your item.

this is a greed eat greed world my friend ... and DDO is no different ... human nature is to hate without question ....

to learn you must suffer.

[wozron]

If giving away good loot is noobish, then noob me up.
I've given away plenty of good stuff, but I've also received plenty of good stuff too.

Funnily, when people see that I let others have stuff that's better for their characters than for mine, few poke fun at me. Human nature can be predictable.

I'd encourage people to avoid the min/max approach to the game. Striving for the Ultimate Killer Build may be all well and good, but if you end up soloing because nobody enjoys your company, it defeats the purpose of the mMOrpg.

Plus I pump up the Diplomacy so I get the good loot anyway, so I can afford to be gracious :)

EDIT: Actually, my tank Cleric has a bunch of nice weapons he no longer needs. I think I'll nip off to Ghallanda and give away something cool.

[vVAnjilaVv]

but its like the lotto ...

if you dont play you can never win ..... grinding is a part of MMO's just as much as partying with people and hating development speed and team for no reason.

Oh...most certainly...I am not disagreeing with this at all......all I am saying is it's absurd to use statistics in a game that generates loot as randomly as this .......grind grind grind...and I hope you get what you want....just don't try to define and rationalize why u didn't get it with stats and then think your entitled once you've reached a certain amount of attempts......because niether is viable here in DDO.

[vVAnjilaVv]

Sounds to me like someone doesn't understand how statistics work, or is soo determined to be greedy that they would rather call it 'fate' then admit they're just not playing fair by stacjking the odds aganst people.

On giving people stuff... Is it really worth that much thought?

I would like to get where you even gathered that I do this...which I don't....sorry.......go laugh with your naivity in a corner okay....luck is luck....and fate is strongly tied to it.....once again ur stats are not going to make a difference in the outcome...sounds to me like someone is having a problem dealing with the realities of DDO loot generation.

I suppose you would be one of those types that would whine that you deserve a Bloodstone because u have looted the chest 1000 times...even tho you don't....because quite simply....that is how this game works.

If u want rare loot keep grinding or pay for it...and use ur stats for something they work on....u can tell me I have a 3% chance that I could pull a bloodstone....and the truth of the matter is seeing as each roll is individual I could roll the other 97% the rest of my life......that's how this game generates loot...nothing more to see here...move on.

[Eladiun]

Whatever.......I guess you guys don't see things how I do........yes I am saying exactly that....you can grind for an eternity and never get a bloodstone.......that is luck....your statistics are not going to do a thing to change the outcome.

I don't care...test fate, and I will go find someplace to laugh until it hurts when you get your fingers burned.


Wrong, if you bluff the Thirsty One while groveling..you odds of pulling the stone increase by a factor of your bluff skill and haggle. ;)

[vVAnjilaVv]

Wrong, if you bluff the Thirsty One while groveling..you odds of pulling the stone increase by a factor of your bluff skill and haggle. ;)

Your evil :p:D

[zarious]

Reminds me a bit of something that happened in an early VOD run that I made with a guildie. We were 2 of maybe 4 or 5 puggers in a larger guild raid. Completed the quest and the bracers and gloves dropped. I got the gloves, but could not use them (I'm a ranger). My guildie (a cleric) wanted the bracers tho, so I offered to trade the gloves for the bracers. The raid leader said no they wanted to roll on them. I said fine, I'll wait till after the roll and see if the person that wins the bracers wants to make a trade for the gloves. If not, then I would go ahead and place the gloves up for a roll since neither me nor my guildie needed them. The raid leader insisted, no REALLY INSISTED that we must roll on the gloves first. I believe to quote was "I am the raid leader and I decide how loot is distributed". I politely informed him that he was mistaken, and refused to let the gloves roll until the bracers went. Finally, the two guys that wanted the bracers, my guile and one of their clerics both rolled. My guy hit an 84 and their guy hit a 56. Then suddenly all of their other guys started rolling on it, so i did to, but my guy still had the highest roll..... All of their guys had rolled except for the one that originally pulled the bracers. After I pointed out that my guy won, suddenly he rolled for the loot (the one who actually pulled the bracers) rolled and got a 92 and gave them to his guildie.....

I was floored. After all the bullcrap, he just gave them to his guildie (after winning the roll on his own loot...) Why didn't he just save everyone alot of trouble, and give it to him to start with? They were acting completely juvenile about it, and demanding that I now roll for the gloves. When one of the other puggers asked if it was ok to roll for his friend (on the gloves) who was also in the raid (a sorc) the raid leader told him that only the two arcanes could roll for it (the other guy being a wizard in the raid leaders guild). After all of their guys had just rolled on the bracers..... I said screw you guys, and just gave the gloves to the pugger sorc (who was very appreciative) because I knew he stood no fair chance to get them. I then recalled out and dropped group.

My first and only experience (so far) with loot drama :)

**Wow just re-read that and it's a little hard to follow, if you get it great, if not just skip it cause I'm too lazy to clarify :D **

[Thrudh]

Oh...most certainly...I am not disagreeing with this at all......all I am saying is it's absurd to use statistics in a game that generates loot as randomly as this .......grind grind grind...and I hope you get what you want....just don't try to define and rationalize why u didn't get it with stats and then think your entitled once you've reached a certain amount of attempts......because niether is viable here in DDO.

You really don't understand math, do you?

[Windell]

Excepting guild runs or conditions in advance, you should be able to do whatever you want with your loot...If it's your loot. I got blasted for the same thing trading a monk the vorp dream edge for the gloves in ms other day. It's your loot if you pull it.

[vVAnjilaVv]

You really don't understand math, do you?
.....and u really don't understand random luck obviously. Math has no factor in it.

[Thrudh]

.....and u really don't understand random luck obviously. Math has no factor in it.

Math is how you quantify luck... It's called probability theory. It's called statistics.

Even my second-grader understands percentages.

There is no "fate" with raid loot... Just cold hard numbers.

[Xeraphim]

Generosity keeps this game alive. Greed destroys it.

I like Generosity.

Thanks for being generous, OP.

[Xeraphim]

There is no "fate" with raid loot... Just cold hard numbers.

Yep.

/roll d100

(Combat/General/Party): You roll a 6(d100).

Oh for f*cks sake... not again...

Oh well, let's go for another 20 completions then... maybe get another redundant tome.

[QuantumFX]

I had several comments about it, but need not go into that...

It says more about the people making the comments.

[LoveNeverFails]

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c53/RPGamerd00d/Gaming/TheN00bIsStrong.jpg

Just Kidding!!!!!
:D

Don't worry what other people think, its just a game.

lmfao

on a more related note, I never know how rare/worthy what i pull is (vendoring Arlyn's ring guilty) until i talk to my guild. but usually even once i do, i'll give it away if i really can't use it. Guild first, then the rest of the party. What am i gonna do with it? just a game after all. Its not like i'm mailing someone half a million dollars...

[Clay]

Being generous is bad! How dare you pass loot without gouging for it.

What are you? Noobs?!