When multiclassing, does the order makes difference?

[draco-br]

Hi,

I have a ranger-5. If I choose a monk next time, or just on level 10, does make difference? I mean, the feats i'll have available and stuff

[cdemeritt]

most multiclass builds are carefully put together, each level planned out precisely to maximize the benefits of the build... order usually is very important...

Example: taking all rogue, then going ranger, then monk for the popular 13/6/1 build will make a far inferior build...

plan carefully before multiclassing

[Falco_Easts]

I will reiterate what cdemeritt said, plan before multiclassing.

But also to answer your question, feats are not affected. The only thing that really has an affect is skill points at first level. You want to take a class wtih the highest skill points per level first as you get x4 normal skill points at level 1.

[Freeman]

I will reiterate what cdemeritt said, plan before multiclassing.

But also to answer your question, feats are not affected. The only thing that really has an affect is skill points at first level. You want to take a class wtih the highest skill points per level first as you get x4 normal skill points at level 1.

I'll state it again as well: Plan before multiclassing.

Now to also answer your question. Feats aren't directly affected. However, depending on your current BAB and stats, you could end up not being eligible for a feat you planned to take, or accidentally taking one that you would get for free later in another class. There are lots of ways it could go wrong, which is why everyone will tell you to plan it before you even create the character. With Reincarnations, you can correct mistakes more easily now, but it still isn't cheap.

[cdemeritt]

just to elaborate a little...
Using my Example of tempest ranger/rogue/monk....


I was intent on running a pure rogue... got him to lvl 10, spent the feats for TWF and such...

At lvl 11, A guildy convinced me that 1 lvl of ranger would be a good addition if only for the no-fail wand usage... After some thought, I couldn't see any reason not to take the ranger... So I did...

After some more thought I decided to turn this build into the Popular tempest rogue... However as I was at lvl 12, it was a mess...

I had taken TWF at lvl 3, so with my 2nd lvl of ranger I got TWF again (free automatic feat)... NP I thought, I'll just swap my lvl 3 feat... but being a lvl 3 feat, I already taken everything available at lvl 3 that was of any use to me...

It took a heart of wood +3 to fix some of the mess... plan first...

In some cases such as say a wiz rogue 18/2 split, it isn't as critical if you take the 2nd rogue at 8 or at 13, but most choose later to get spells such as haste and FW before evasion... but most know about where they are taking it before they get there...

[sigtrent]

I have a ranger-5. If I choose a monk next time, or just on level 10, does make difference? I mean, the feats i'll have available and stuff

Yes. It doesn't effect what you get from a level of monk or a level of ranger, but it does effect what feats you might be able to choose from because they are dependent on overall character values like base attack bonus or the free feats you get with some class levels.

An example. Improved critical requires a base attack bonus of 8. If you are a level 8 character and have 4 levels of monk and 4 levels of fighter... if you take monk at level 9 you can't take improved critical. If you take fighter at level 9 you can because fighter 5will add +1 bab and monk 5 will not.

[draco-br]

Thank you all for the answers, very enlightening!

[dunklezhan]

Hmm...

y'know, what's needed here is some kind of cunning software program. Something that would help you plan your character by letting you build it, make mistakes which can be easily traced and corrected. Something available free via the internet, and highly recommended by a large number of people.

Why o why o why o WHY has no one done this! This community sucks! Why has no one spent the time to help all us newbies and- *facepalm*

Oh, wait.

Someone has:

http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO/

I think, OP, that this will help you a lot. Props to Ron. Enjoy, Draco. Be prepared to spend many hours alt-tabbing back and forth to this as you level up, and a good while per character planning anything other than one of the cookie cutter builds on the forums before you create a new toon... :D :D

[Emili]

I will reiterate what cdemeritt said, plan before multiclassing.

But also to answer your question, feats are not affected. The only thing that really has an affect is skill points at first level. You want to take a class wtih the highest skill points per level first as you get x4 normal skill points at level 1.
Feats may be indirectly affected ... some feats are chains with pre-reqs such as a prior feat and some require BaB,stat ablilities (i.e. too much of a 3/4 build may push a feat off to later and can push some off the intended plan if part of a chain)... certain classes get particular feats so they are to be avoided for redundancy ... the standard seven feats may be exhausted...

[draco-br]

I'm range Lv5, what could be a good combo? rogue maybe? I'd like to have weapon finesse, should I choose 1 level of fighter and the rest of rogue, for example? Or sticking with range?

[Lleren]

I'm range Lv5, what could be a good combo? rogue maybe? I'd like to have weapon finesse, should I choose 1 level of fighter and the rest of rogue, for example? Or sticking with range?


Hmm, I'd suggest Taking he Feats Dodge, Mobility, and Spring Attack so that you can pick up the Tempest Prestige Enhancement for Ranger since it sounds as though you are a Melee Ranger. One or Two levels of Fighter would help you pick those feats up sooner if you had not planned on them. If you need Weapon Finnese I would want to take that quickly as well.