Finally! A risia ice jump instructional video that doesn't suck!

[IAmDesolator3]

I just made the most awesome, detailed, perfect video on how to do the ice jumps in the habor. Check it out and make sure you note the contest I mention in the video and take a look at the winning video. Yes, there's a winner ALREADY...sort of lol. Just watch the video and get ready for some awesome purple coin action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WugvF21Oh1I

P.S. every other youtube jump vid sucks cuz it's just some jerk using some special class ability or rare item to jump way too far and make it look easy. These are instructions that a lvl 1, any race, any class person with any stats and skills can do to get a purple coin. So stop spending way too much on recipe 5 (or really using it at all cuz frost is better for most classes) and get your own! :D

[Taimasan]

P.S. every other youtube jump vid sucks cuz it's just some jerk using some special class ability or rare item to jump way too far and make it look easy. These are instructions that a lvl 1, any race, any class person with any stats and skills can do to get a purple coin. So stop spending way too much on recipe 5 (or really using it at all cuz frost is better for most classes) and get your own! :D

Um I have a video with a 20 paladin getting a purple coin, he does not use any "special abilities". And I don't think my videos "suck" either. http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=229063

EDIT: Btw your buffing with GH, Jump, and Shadowwalk I believe those count as "special abilities"

[ReaperAlexEU]

interesting take on it, FF and stopping on the main ramps

also i think getting onto the lighthouse is impossible (hope i'm proven wrong!) the few times my jump has gone nuts and thrown me up that high and i've gone with the flow and not tried to control it i've hit an invisible clip brush and skidded down the lighthouse.

for my jumps i try to maintain momentum and hit every down section with no FF. the down ramps pull you and build up your speed, as you mentioned FF can easily make you float down the ramp and miss out on that speed boost. also FF and light gravity dont play nicely together, and light gravity is all you need to fly through the air. i think one time i was FFing over the harbour and bumped into a light gravity area and it made me fall faster. that suggests that FF is cancelled by light gravity giving no benefits for your flight but hampering you when you drop out of the light gravity zone and onto the down part of a ramp.

so, bearing that in mind i let the ice on the big ramp pull me, i then press forwards as soon as it does, do the big jump to the first mid section and jump for the flat lighthouse section in one move. with the size of the big ramp i find timing isnt too important as long as you get to the down section. you can even miss the down section, land on the flat or up and still get to the flat lighthouse section.

once on the flat lighthouse section i cruise into the corner there i stop (reset inertia/momentum) and catch my breath. then i turn for the next double jump, let the ice pull me to the ramp and press forwards once i start to go down it. after that i jump on the up and try to land on the next down. if i hit that down part well i stand a very good chance of bagging the purple. if i over shoot and hit the flat its generally a fail (not been able to do your build up trick). if i've had to pull back too far to hit the down i might not build up enough speed again. as you mentioned looking down as you approach the ramps helps you aim for the tip of the down section, that really helps judge things and improves your chances of getting a purple.

for my character i did this with the 40 jump (30 spell and rest skill score) and the pendant of time. this gave me the best stats and perhaps made things a little more flexible. i feel speed is more important than jump, with good speed i think you can get away with about 20-30 jump. the nice thing is you get jump and haste pots from white and blue turn in's, so with a bit of hut jumping you can get your skates and some pots to try the big ramp for the purple :)

[Xyfiel]

Yep my 1080p version on the same class is full of suck.

I care less about you making a new video with different techniques, but calling people who spent hours out of their lives to post other videos to assist the community "jerks" is just plain rude.

[IronClan]

IMO you're doing a few things that are seriously cutting into your purples and giving advice that will cause other players who follow it to also miss a lot more than they have to.

First you're jumping from the top jump which takes the longest to get back to, and requires the most ranks in jump + buff and (using your way) featherfall which is unnecessary even harmful for any other jumps. The ships mast is way faster to get back to and takes IMO less practice to get right 9 out of 10 times than the top jump...

Second stopping on the ramps to get a predictable speed is unnecessary, you can hit the jump key at the bottom of the down slope (with very little speed going into it) and get a huge speed boost from this that many seem to not have discovered. You can be SLOPPY with your timing and you'll still make it to the other ramp, so it's much more forgiving. it also allows you to make your up slope "take off" jump well before the very end of the ramp which also means the take off jump is now much more forgiving... basically doubling how easy it is to do each ramp... and then this also eliminates the back tracking up the down slope you're doing so it eliminates another unforgiving maneuver.

Think of each ramp as a double jump like an old side scroller, one jump press near the bottom of the down slope and another one to take off about half way up the up slope... I'm pretty bad but I still get purple 9 out of 10 times and with a level 2 toon with 5 ranks in jump and the first level wiz spells jump and exp. retreat.

Details here:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=244941

As an illustration if you boost your speed with the double jump trick and you hit jump on the up side at the very end of the ramp (like you're trying to hit it in your vid) you'll rocket past the next ramp entirely!

[Crann]

No offense to any of the others here, but it was Xyfiel's video that helped my purple jumping the most.

[IAmDesolator3]

wow, a bunch of posts saying "I used the pendant of time. I have 40 jump. I used leap of faith. I'm a lvl 20." Look, that's all fine and good and I never said people like that can't get the purple coins, I'm just saying that money-less, skill-less lvl 5's on the server are ****ed off when they see videos like that because they can't do it that way!
And if you'd have paid attention to my video, you'd notice that I said GH is optional and you can have a mage friend cast +30 jump and FF and haste on you. How are you going to have someone cast leap of faith on you? How are you going to have someone give you 40 jump? And let's say you have no friends to do it. Why do you think the white coin rewards include icy haste potions, icy feather fall potions, and icy potions of +30 jump? Because then people can do it themselves. That's what the designers intended! They didn't just randomly pick reward potions, they're those 3 for a reason.

This is the video that ****ed me off the most:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb_TW6KQ34A

The "legit way." What the hell is that knees up, superjump **** that nobody can do? The very first comment was "how do u jump tht far?" Sitting there telling people "this is how you do it" and then going down the ramp the middle of the ramp and using a special ability that nobody has and not even saying what it is isn't exactly my idea of an instructional video.

I used my method for my lvl 2 fighter friend and he got a purple coin and is ecstatic so you do it your way, I'll do it the more flexible way, and we'll all be one big happy family.

Btw, the mast way? I tried running up that mast with some serious buffs on and it seems impossible. Are you telling me you can run up it?

[rimble]

This is the video that ****ed me off the most:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb_TW6KQ34A

The "legit way." What the hell is that knees up, superjump **** that nobody can do?

Wow, that video ****ed you off? But it IS the legit way (for that character). You have some serious misconceptions and paranoia if you think anything shady or untoward was being done in that video. Perhaps you would have been better served marketing yours as the 'low level no buffs no specific class required' way and left off the insults.

+1 for trying to help.
-1 for ****-poor attitude.
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[HeavenlyCloud]

Poor attitude + wrong selection of words = -1.

[ReaperAlexEU]

wow, a bunch of posts saying "I used the pendant of time. I have 40 jump. I used leap of faith. I'm a lvl 20." Look, that's all fine and good and I never said people like that can't get the purple coins, I'm just saying that money-less, skill-less lvl 5's on the server are ****ed off when they see videos like that because they can't do it that way!
And if you'd have paid attention to my video, you'd notice that I said GH is optional and you can have a mage friend cast +30 jump and FF and haste on you. How are you going to have someone cast leap of faith on you? How are you going to have someone give you 40 jump? And let's say you have no friends to do it. Why do you think the white coin rewards include icy haste potions, icy feather fall potions, and icy potions of +30 jump? Because then people can do it themselves. That's what the designers intended! They didn't just randomly pick reward potions, they're those 3 for a reason.

This is the video that ****ed me off the most:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb_TW6KQ34A

The "legit way." What the hell is that knees up, superjump **** that nobody can do? The very first comment was "how do u jump tht far?" Sitting there telling people "this is how you do it" and then going down the ramp the middle of the ramp and using a special ability that nobody has and not even saying what it is isn't exactly my idea of an instructional video.

I used my method for my lvl 2 fighter friend and he got a purple coin and is ecstatic so you do it your way, I'll do it the more flexible way, and we'll all be one big happy family.

Btw, the mast way? I tried running up that mast with some serious buffs on and it seems impossible. Are you telling me you can run up it?

ok, fill me in, who said they used leap of faith in this thread? sure one poster linked to that method, on a page that detailed every method available to every class including methods for normal classes.

also i made it clear what buffs i was running with, just as you did in your vid with jump, haste and GH cast on you. i just passed my icy haste pots and icy jump pots to a lvl4 bard with 0 unbuffed jump (had to find a heavy shield to bring it down). so with a clean 30 buffed jump score and haste i've been able to do my method just fine.

oh and that super jump vid you hate the most, the bending knees bit is the monks falling animation. my ranger does exactly that method, down each ramp, jump on each up, no stopping on ramps, just at the corner section. it is the legit way, it is the way any class with 30 jump and haste can do, i know that because i've just done it on my lvl4 bard and bagged a purple. sure its not as instructive as some other vids, but it is the normal way.

now, if you want to see a super jump find that vid where a monk or fvs (forget which as i have neither class) goes from the big ramp directly to the purple coin. that is a super jump.

also you dont run up the mast. you jump from a hut to the mast as the hut touches a low grav zone (its the tip dock side). i can do that mast jump with 24 jump and haste, though its very very close. 30 jump and haste and you get a bit more breathing room to find the landing spot. to do it aim for the tip of the lower mast. as you approach look right down and try to slide down the pole as if your impaling your self on it. looking down helps you judge when to slow down and increase your landing rate a lot. after that jump for the mid section ramp that leads you to the corner lighthouse section. its a lot faster to repeat jumps what way if your not binging on coco (which cant be bad for your waist).

let me analyse your fav vid for you so you know what happening.

first its a high level monk, so its bloomin fast. fair enough, most are only at haste speed, and that method can be done with haste.

main ramp, 0:28. the monk lets the ice pull him, then presses forwards. this gets you the best speed from a down section and something you will see him later trying hard to get on each jump.

mid air 0:31. the bit you dont like, knees up monk falling animation. that animation is how monks dont break legs when dropping off cliffs, but the monk is in a low gravity area so its wasted. my ranger flies through the air just as well as the monk. forget the knees, its not giving the monk an advantage.

mid air 0:35 the monk has judged his approach and has decided to slow down to hit the down part of the ramp. you see this as he looks down a little then his speed drops. he's trying to get as much of the down ramp as he can. very important for the last 2 ramps before the purple, less important for the big ramp.

approaching the corner section, 0:39. this is the easiest section to over shoot and with a really good jump it can send you into the lighthouse (wish you could land on it!). the monk knows this and is trying very hard to compensate. he looks right down to make sure he's over the ice (if you dont you tend to stop too early and hit the water) and pulls back to drop his speed. on the really big overshoots you sometimes have enough air time to fly over to the far corner, still too high and still pulling back then wind up by the near corner by the time you've landed! nothing monkish going on there, my ranger has to do that stuff too.

corner, 0:41 the monk has stopped. coasting into the corner brings you to a halt (avoid the cut away sections). this resets you and gets rid of any sideways drift. you can also take a little breather to re-orientate your self for the 2 harder jumps ahead

next ramp 0:43. here the monk differs from my style. i hit that down bit then press forwards, but that cheeky monk has a big speed advantage over me and doesnt need to milk the ramps speed as much.

the crux, 0:46. this is where you make it or break it. at that point in the jump you will determine if your gonna hit the purple. you need to hit the down section with some speed. too little speed and it wont boost you enough. miss it and your speed will drop. after some practice you get a feel for this crux moment and your success rate will start to rise. once again the monk is looking down a little and judging how he is going to hit that down section. once again he is coming in too fast and needs to pull back a little. if you dont look down a bit you will have a bad habit of pulling back too early and dropping into the sea (low grav zone is quite thin).

touchdown, 0:47 success! the monk has hit the down part with some speed and some down section left, this will give him all the speed he needs to bag the purple if he doesnt fluff the last jump (which is more forgiving if you've set it up properly). after this point he just follows through and bags the purple.

that vid is almost identical to how my ranger does it. on my bard i didnt have to pull back as much but aiming for the down sections with no FF is still a viable method. hitting the very last section right is the hardest part of the whole thing. once you get a feel for it you should be milking the purples.

i have no idea who the monk is, but his method works with 30 jump and haste, i think you owe that poor monk an apology.

[IAmDesolator3]

wow, it's like you didn't even listen to the first 30 seconds of the video or read the description which says specifically the video is for what you just stated. Btw I saw you use that exact same super long ability thing in another video to bypass a jump completely and get the purple coin directly from the platform jump. Yeeeeeah, not many people have ways to do that. So your vid using the EXACT SAME technique and saying that's how everyone can do it is still complete BS. It's a show-off vid, not general instructions. Obviously you're just ****ed that I found a smarter, better way of doing it and it's drawing attention away from your "look at me jump to the ramp with no strategy or technique just cuz I can jump really far, ha ha ha to the people who can't do this" video.

[Memnir]

Not the worst Ice Jump vid I've seen, but not the best either. It's a'ight.
Kudos for the tutorial, and I hope it helps people out in the last few hours we have jumping available. Better late then never, I guess.

But I have to agree with the other folks here.. your attitude leaves a lot to be desired. It's ugly and unnecessary - and detracts from your video.

[ReaperAlexEU]

wow, it's like you didn't even listen to the first 30 seconds of the video or read the description which says specifically the video is for what you just stated. Btw I saw you use that exact same super long ability thing in another video to bypass a jump completely and get the purple coin directly from the platform jump. Yeeeeeah, not many people have ways to do that. So your vid using the EXACT SAME technique and saying that's how everyone can do it is still complete BS. It's a show-off vid, not general instructions. Obviously you're just ****ed that I found a smarter, better way of doing it and it's drawing attention away from your "look at me jump to the ramp with no strategy or technique just cuz I can jump really far, ha ha ha to the people who can't do this" video.

please read my post again with an explanation of the super long jump ability, now apply that to my ranger. the monk is not me. my character is graunch on thelanis. 12ranger/7paly/1rogue. i cant do a monk leap and i cant do a fvs leap, yet i do the ramps the same way your fav vid shows. if your gonna hit myddo look up cmto too, thats my lvl4 bard i strapped a heavy shield to for a test to make sure low level non-twinked characters can do the normal method too.

your obsessed with the monk's leap. its miss leading you as to the actual mechanics in play.

try this for a test, take the corner of the wall by the big cliff ramp, jump off it parallel to the ramp with FF on. after a while you will hit the low grav zone. when you do your falling speed will increase. low grav cancels out feather fall. when you drop below the low grav zone your falling speed will reduce back to normal FF speed. this is why FF is bad, it gives you no help for the jump, but then messes with you when your on the ramps where FF combined with normal gravity prevents you from using the down section for speed. i believe the same is happening to the monks slow fall ability, its jsut getting canceled out. i cant jump as far as a monk, never have, never will be able to. but i can do the ice jumps with 30 jump and haste (maybe i shouldnt have mentioned the pendant and my maxed 40 jump skill, but then it was the only solid number i knew before i did the test in my prev post).

also you might want to read my first post again, nothing in it was inflammatory (unlike most of the other posters who's back you've put up by bad mouthing their work, might want to brush up on your social skills a bit there next time you post a guide). i was explaining the differenced between your FF stop start method to my non FF ramp in one go method. your vid also suggests that "20 jump spell might work (probably not)", just as i did. well, i've done some testing now, and 30 buffed jump works fine with haste. so both of us guessed bad minimums, which is fine because as we both know you can get 11 mins worth of 30 jump from the icy pots.

i'm not trying to say your method is invalid, i am however trying to point out the vid that drove you mad was completely misinterpreted by you. the show off vid is the other one where they go from first ramp to purple. the vid you linked is the normal method most characters with 30 jump and haste can do.

i just find hitting the down section of a ramp easier then flipping 180 degrees on a ramp trying to build speed up, so i posted explaining how my method differs to yours so people can try both methods to see which fits them best. its a shame your vid is so late in the day, when i was farming hard for purps i'd have practised your 180 flip method to turn failed jumps into a possible success.

i met your helpful vid with a helpful post, i object to the way you treated my post which is why i'm feeding your hungry troll belly (i am starting to wonder if thats all your after, some fun and games baiting people). please re-read my posts as i have put a lot of detail into them and there is obviously some stuff you can learn from them as your still under the impression the monk in your fav vid was leaning on a class ability to hit the purple. i've learnt some stuff from you, see if you can learn some stuff from me too.

[IronClan]

wow, a bunch of posts saying "I used the pendant of time. I have 40 jump. I used leap of faith. I'm a lvl 20." Look, that's all fine and good and I never said people like that can't get the purple coins, I'm just saying that money-less, skill-less lvl 5's on the server are ****ed off when they see videos like that because they can't do it that way!
And if you'd have paid attention to my video, you'd notice that I said GH is optional and you can have a mage friend cast +30 jump and FF and haste on you. How are you going to have someone cast leap of faith on you? How are you going to have someone give you 40 jump? And let's say you have no friends to do it. Why do you think the white coin rewards include icy haste potions, icy feather fall potions, and icy potions of +30 jump? Because then people can do it themselves. That's what the designers intended! They didn't just randomly pick reward potions, they're those 3 for a reason.

This is the video that ****ed me off the most:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb_TW6KQ34A

The "legit way." What the hell is that knees up, superjump **** that nobody can do? The very first comment was "how do u jump tht far?" Sitting there telling people "this is how you do it" and then going down the ramp the middle of the ramp and using a special ability that nobody has and not even saying what it is isn't exactly my idea of an instructional video.

I used my method for my lvl 2 fighter friend and he got a purple coin and is ecstatic so you do it your way, I'll do it the more flexible way, and we'll all be one big happy family.

Btw, the mast way? I tried running up that mast with some serious buffs on and it seems impossible. Are you telling me you can run up it?

I just linked you to my thread where I get 8-9 out of 10 purples with a LEVEL TWO CHARACTER with only jump and expedicious retreat spell and NO ITEMS... and no outside buffs... I'm not saying my way is the only way but it is fast, requires nothing but a freshly rolled character and an half hour to make 2nd level...

The mast trick is the ships mast next to the boat house, go there and just watch for 2 minutes and you'll see. it's basically what 90% of the coin jumpers do :)

Look I'm not saying your way is bad for you, just that there are easier quicker (much quicker) and more forgiving (less missed jumps) ways to do it if other people are reading this wondering.

[samthedagger]

...cuz frost is better [than icyburst] for most classes...

Um...

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Did I read that right?

[DANTEIL]

Eh, I couldn't do any of this jumping platforming stuff before, video or no video, and now that it came back I went out and tried it again just to confirm that -- nope, still can't do it. In fact, I kinda want the snowy Harbor to just go away. But, I appreciate the efforts of people who try to make instructional vids for this kind of thing, though -- I just suspect that there are many ways of succeeding, if one has the skillz and patience to figure it out.

[Taimasan]

Lol, I am the monk in the video, and I made the video called "Legit Way" the knee's up is just a monk animation for featherfall, its not a "special ability". Maybe you branch out from the Orien server a little before you start knocking everyone else.

[IAmDesolator3]

Um...

o.0

Did I read that right?

and I thought DDO people were good at math. Let's say I'm a wizard and I have a longsword. That's an unmodified 10% critical chance and like I mentioned, not many classes have critical ups. Fighter, barbarian, paladin, rogue, and maybe monk and ranger but mostly just rogues and basic meleers get it. Clerics, sorcerers, and wizards overtake them in pure number of characters so thus, the majority. So let's say I do 10 hits. 1d6 of frorst means I can hit 10-60 additional ice damage. With the 10% crit chance and 1d10 burst damage, I'd swing 10 times and hit approxmiately 10 damage because I'd get 1 critical out of those 10 swings if I was lucky. So....60 damage vs 10 damage. Run that equation through your char + wep's total crit chance and multiplier and you'll see that you almost definitely made a huge mistake adding icyburst. If you're a fighter with a greataxe and like +5 crit roll or a rogue with a khopesh, then by all means go with icyburst though. As for me, I made a +5 backstabbing (+1) frost longsword with 1d6 ice and 1d6 acid damage. 12 potential additional damage every time I swing the wep.

As for the rest of you haters who still insist that I'm wrong and you're right, yes, the monk-only feather fall equivilant is what i'd call a special class ability since nobody but monks can do it, duh! And then you go and say FF is useless and should never be used and then you basically use the exact same thing. I know exactly what the difference in fall rates is between feather fall and light gravity and where it turns on and off, which is why I'm using it. But mostly it's so you can actually stop gently on the first ramp. People with low jump stats or bad speed buffs (like 15% and below) will clip the ramp edge constantly and kill their forward inertia which makes it impossible to get a good liftoff without stopping.

I can't believe you're sitting there saying I don't know the game mechanics when you're the one not going down the ice ramp at a diagonal! You don't know the first thing about it apparently. You just know that you have enough skills, buffs, equipment, and neat little tricks to get to the ramp no matter how badly you screw up the first jump. For the billionth time, people with lower skills and less money need a way to do it too! I dunno what you people are smoking but a character with JUST a +30 jump pot, no FF, and a haste pot CANNOT go down the middle of the jump and make it to the 2nd ramp. It is absolutely impossible. They have to go down diagonally and they really, really, really should use feather fall to compensate for a bad, low altitude landing and/or clipping the ramp edge.

Oh and this magical mast trick that everyone is doing...yeah, not that I saw. I was there for about an hour and saw zero ppl jump that direction. I think they removed it because I used around +43 total jump to try and hop up to the closest ship's mast from the boathouse and I went right through it. It's not a solid, stand-on-able object.

Oh and to that other person who said they still can't do it, I didn't post this in the vid but you need a freakishly fast computer and connection to even attempt any of this ice jumping stuff. I was watching Survivor on CBS.com on monitor #2 and it slowed down my video rendering enough that I fell off and messed up the jump timing a lot. DDO's server response time when it comes to movement is barely sufficient as is without crowded DSL or a slow comp harming it further.

[IronClan]

So let's say I do 10 hits. 1d6 of frorst means I can hit 10-60 additional ice damage. With the 10% crit chance and 1d10 burst damage, I'd swing 10 times and hit approxmiately 10 damage because I'd get 1 critical out of those 10 swings if I was lucky. So....60 damage vs 10 damage. Run that equation through your char + wep's total crit chance and multiplier and you'll see that you almost definitely made a huge mistake adding icyburst.

re-read the description of icy burst... it's an ADDITIONAL xd10 of damage on any critical over the normal frost damage.

[TheJusticar]

Yep my 1080p version on the same class is full of suck.

I care less about you making a new video with different techniques, but calling people who spent hours out of their lives to post other videos to assist the community "jerks" is just plain rude.

The difference is that his video, unlike ANY other video I've seen is that he took the time to explain step-by-step what you need to do. It's not just a show-offey "oh look how easy it is." He does a much better job than any other video. While I agree that he shouldn't have used words like "jerks", I think that more videos like these should be done.

[TheJusticar]

I just made the most awesome, detailed, perfect video on how to do the ice jumps in the habor. Check it out and make sure you note the contest I mention in the video and take a look at the winning video. Yes, there's a winner ALREADY...sort of lol. Just watch the video and get ready for some awesome purple coin action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WugvF21Oh1I

P.S. every other youtube jump vid sucks cuz it's just some jerk using some special class ability or rare item to jump way too far and make it look easy. These are instructions that a lvl 1, any race, any class person with any stats and skills can do to get a purple coin. So stop spending way too much on recipe 5 (or really using it at all cuz frost is better for most classes) and get your own! :D


While I would tame down the rhetoric and name calling, I'd say that we need more videos like these. Step-by-step, slow motion, repeat and great narration makes these kind of videos winners, IMO.

[nanobot1994]

Frost is an extra 1d6:

10 hits = 10-60 extra cold damage

Icy Burst is an extra 1d6 *every attack* and an *extra* 1d10 on crits, let go with 10% crit chance:

10 hits = 10-60 extra cold damage, and an additional 1d10 on crits, 1-10, since we crit on average once every 10hits with 10% chance.

So added up Icy Burst is, 11-70 extra cold damage

Whats better (as in more cold damage):

10-60 or 11-70

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Neg rep in spirit from me for 3 reasons:
1)trashing people hard work on the videos
2)calling people here bad at math, when your horrible at it
3)and finally not being able to read a discription.

[ReaperAlexEU]

and I thought DDO people were good at math. Let's say I'm a wizard and I have a longsword. That's an unmodified 10% critical chance and like I mentioned, not many classes have critical ups. Fighter, barbarian, paladin, rogue, and maybe monk and ranger but mostly just rogues and basic meleers get it. Clerics, sorcerers, and wizards overtake them in pure number of characters so thus, the majority. So let's say I do 10 hits. 1d6 of frorst means I can hit 10-60 additional ice damage. With the 10% crit chance and 1d10 burst damage, I'd swing 10 times and hit approxmiately 10 damage because I'd get 1 critical out of those 10 swings if I was lucky. So....60 damage vs 10 damage. Run that equation through your char + wep's total crit chance and multiplier and you'll see that you almost definitely made a huge mistake adding icyburst. If you're a fighter with a greataxe and like +5 crit roll or a rogue with a khopesh, then by all means go with icyburst though. As for me, I made a +5 backstabbing (+1) frost longsword with 1d6 ice and 1d6 acid damage. 12 potential additional damage every time I swing the wep.
ahh, this is where DDO differs from DnD. in DDO an elemental burst does the regular elemental damage on a non-crit and the regular elemental dmg + the burst damage on a crit. to get that in PnP you'd need elemental and burst on an item making its base value and min level sky rocket. check out the description on a burst item on the AH. in DDO burst is a win/win attribute.


As for the rest of you haters who still insist that I'm wrong and you're right, yes, the monk-only feather fall equivilant is what i'd call a special class ability since nobody but monks can do it, duh! And then you go and say FF is useless and should never be used and then you basically use the exact same thing. I know exactly what the difference in fall rates is between feather fall and light gravity and where it turns on and off, which is why I'm using it. But mostly it's so you can actually stop gently on the first ramp.
ok, your still not comprehending what i'm saying. my lvl4 bard, with 30 jump and haste and no featherfall can do what you see on that monk "legit way" video. so i'm not using the monks slow fall speed, and i'm not using feather fall, infact aside from the low gravity zones i WANT to fall as fast as possible to get the most out of the down sections of the ramp. please please understand i can do what the monk does without special class abilities. yes you can do it with FF, you have a vid as proof and i'm not denying that! but you can also do it without FF, just as the monk in the legit way vid does (albeit a little slower, same general technique though). why cant you accept that the monks slow fall is not needed for that technique? is it so hard to accept that?

here, watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_NX6Etd75g

that is the monk player doing the exact same technique on his paladin. paly's have no special levitation tricks.

also incase you think i'm arguing a point i'm not. this is the "show off" vid where the monk DOES use his class ability:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFSq-EZOMoE

i fully agree that method is not open to all classes, i never said it was. i have pointed out however that same knees bent animation in the legit way vid is not allowing the monk to do something the other classes cant, as proved in the paly version.

watch the paly vid, that is how i did it on my lvl4 bard with 30 jump and haste and no featherfall. its not a trick, its not a class only ability, its 2 simple buffs available as icy pots and open to all.


People with low jump stats or bad speed buffs (like 15% and below) will clip the ramp edge constantly and kill their forward inertia which makes it impossible to get a good liftoff without stopping.
rats, i know this is an important point in how low your stats can go (ie can you get someone with less than 30 jump and haste to the purple with your tricks), but i'm not quite sure what you mean by "clip the ramp edge". do you mean banging your shins as you try to land on a ramp? sorry, just not sure on what part of the ramp your referring too.

on a related note, how low can you go? as mentioned i've got 30 jump + haste through to purple, whats the worst jump+speed stats you've got through? that would be great to know as my low end guesses were way off.


I can't believe you're sitting there saying I don't know the game mechanics when you're the one not going down the ice ramp at a diagonal! You don't know the first thing about it apparently. You just know that you have enough skills, buffs, equipment, and neat little tricks to get to the ramp no matter how badly you screw up the first jump. For the billionth time, people with lower skills and less money need a way to do it too! I dunno what you people are smoking but a character with JUST a +30 jump pot, no FF, and a haste pot CANNOT go down the middle of the jump and make it to the 2nd ramp. It is absolutely impossible. They have to go down diagonally and they really, really, really should use feather fall to compensate for a bad, low altitude landing and/or clipping the ramp edge.
and i can't believe your still insulting my experience and intellect and integrity. i took some time out today to make sure i wasnt giving bad advice and i managed to do it on my lvl4 bard with exactly that, 30 jump, haste and no FF. i even made the point of sabotaging my jump score just to see if i could do it on buffs alone. my bard has +3 to jump due to 16 STR score. my chain is -1 and i had to find a heavy shield for another -2 to cancel out my STR bonus. sadly i'd striped the character of all gold, luckily a vanilla shield dropped in redfang :)


Oh and this magical mast trick that everyone is doing...yeah, not that I saw. I was there for about an hour and saw zero ppl jump that direction. I think they removed it because I used around +43 total jump to try and hop up to the closest ship's mast from the boathouse and I went right through it. It's not a solid, stand-on-able object.
yeah, that what i first thought, you do indeed go through the mast. the solid bit is about 4-6 foot below the tip of the mast. thats why i told you to look right down and try to impale your self on the mast. if you go from the tip of the mast all the way down it like your a spit roast pig you will find a solid part. once you've bounced and slid off that solid part a few times you'll start to get the hang of where it is. just remember, look right down as your get ontop of the mast so you can use your direction keys to align your self with the mast as you drop down through it.

its not been fixed, i was doing it today.

also the game engine caps jump at 40, in PnP i believe the max jump height is a factor of your own height, in DDO the devs just capped the effective jump skill to 40. I'm still pumping it on my fighter however in the hopes that when we get real epic levels that cap will be removed via a feat.


Oh and to that other person who said they still can't do it, I didn't post this in the vid but you need a freakishly fast computer and connection to even attempt any of this ice jumping stuff. I was watching Survivor on CBS.com on monitor #2 and it slowed down my video rendering enough that I fell off and messed up the jump timing a lot. DDO's server response time when it comes to movement is barely sufficient as is without crowded DSL or a slow comp harming it further.
yeah, when i'm having a bad lag day i stick to the lesser populated instances. also turning lots of graphics settings down helps some people. also if you've been alt swapping close DDO completely and start it up again. oh and get rid of any other software running. i play from europe so my latancy isnt too hot, but you shouldnt need too much grunt in your box if you optimise things. mario skills however are a must :)

[IronClan]

Starting to think this guy isn't reading anything anyone else is posting and is just trolling. Again I collected purples 8-9 out of 10 jumps with a 2nd level character 1 rogue 1 wiz with no outside buffs at all and no items except skates... No potions, to feather fall or house X trinkets/potions/equipment and no hot cocoas from the DDO store.

Whats a level 1 wizard jump spell worth? 10 I think or is it 20? My first jump toon collected hundreds of purples with 5 ranks in jump, the feat skill focus jump (+3) and the feat acrobatic (+2) and an 18 in Str (+3)

that's what 23 total jump ability? + expeditious retreat being my only speed boost?

I didn't make vids but my thread linked earlier has plenty of pics. Including the characters, I ended up making an improved jump toon using vet status (level 4 1 rogue 1 barb 2 wiz) but this had minor impact... mostly nice for the extra buff time between casts and two more ranks in jump.. Just enough to jump out of the water onto the deck of the ship on return to the boat house...

[ReaperAlexEU]

Starting to think this guy isn't reading anything anyone else is posting and is just trolling. Again I collected purples 8-9 out of 10 jumps with a 2nd level character 1 rogue 1 wiz with no outside buffs at all and no items except skates... No potions, to feather fall or house X trinkets/potions/equipment and no hot cocoas from the DDO store.

Whats a level 1 wizard jump spell worth? 10 I think or is it 20? My first jump toon collected hundreds of purples with 5 ranks in jump, the feat skill focus jump (+3) and the feat acrobatic (+2) and an 18 in Str (+3)

that's what 23 total jump ability? + expeditious retreat being my only speed boost?

I didn't make vids but my thread linked earlier has plenty of pics. Including the characters, I ended up making an improved jump toon using vet status (level 4 1 rogue 1 barb 2 wiz) but this had minor impact... mostly nice for the extra buff time between casts and two more ranks in jump.. Just enough to jump out of the water onto the deck of the ship on return to the boat house...
i'm starting to get that feeling too... he still thinks my lvl4 bard has the monks abundant step ability :)

[Taimasan]

Yea any guy who says he has won his own "contest", and claims monk featherfall animation is a "special ability" obviously has issues and very little experience with the game. The video would of been fine without all the anti-social behavior. Just another forum ******* and troll imo. All I have to say is enjoy all the negative reputation your getting dude. You went from green to red in less than 24 hours.

[Windex69]

Aside from the apparent "flame war" that seems to be taking place here, I found the video to be helpful and well narrated. Thanks for it... Maybe now I can finally get a purple coin!

[TheJusticar]

Aside from the apparent "flame war" that seems to be taking place here, I found the video to be helpful and well narrated. Thanks for it... Maybe now I can finally get a purple coin!

/Agree. As I said in a previous post, though the author does a disservice to himself by engaging in name-calling and half-way insults, the video itself is a very good tutorial. Very straight forward and didactic.

[Shaftronics]

I find it kind of oxymoronic. Yes, its nice, he narrates every step but...

"Anyone can do it. You just need a +30 Buff, well, +20 might be okay..."

"I Just cast Greater Heroism on myself..."

"Speed enhancing item, like expeditious retreat..."

Not exactly buffless or for "Everyone" per se. Gotta do some begging around like a pauper first.

[Thriand]

Your attitude leaves a little to be desired, but nevertheless its a decent instructional video, however its not anymore buffless than the plenty of others I've seen. I applaud you for your attempt to help the community but its quickly counteracted by your attitude and your attempt at spreading misinformation. I mean really when the minimum level of an item isn't a concern icy burst is ALWAYS better then frost.

[Xyfiel]

/Agree. As I said in a previous post, though the author does a disservice to himself by engaging in name-calling and half-way insults, the video itself is a very good tutorial. Very straight forward and didactic.

So I should make a Video stating how ANYBODY can solo the DQ, but only show me doing it on a Ranged spec Ranger? I can give all the fine detailed instructions I want, but it doesn't help someone who doesn't have those options. The video is counterproductive to it's stated purpose.

[TheJusticar]

So I should make a Video stating how ANYBODY can solo the DQ, but only show me doing it on a Ranged spec Ranger? I can give all the fine detailed instructions I want, but it doesn't help someone who doesn't have those options. The video is counterproductive to it's stated purpose.

You'd be late by 3 years. There is such video carefully explaining how a then-lvl12 ranged ranger solo'd DQ on elite. Very good instructional video as well. Again, I'm not arguing the fact that OP was brash and offended other people and he's gotten negative repped for it. However, I still stand by my words: it's a very good instructional video.