Solo Sins of Attrition Elite (Melee, Aggression bonus)

[Shade]

Solo'd Sins of Attrition Elite on my pure lvl20 28-point build Barbarian. Brute force style, killed everything along the way, even some optional side mobs to get 1 extra chest.

I'm not really much of a solo player, but allot of people tell me Barbarians can't solo or that I need 5 healers to do anything.. Figured I'd prove that wrong by completing one of the most difficult quess to heal through in the game, without a healer.

Can solo nearly every quest on a maxxed out Barbarian really, one of the most powerful solo classes at the endgame. All it takes is a few potions.

Screenshots:
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7797/sinselite.jpg

Completion time. (http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/5391/screenshot03007.jpg)
Run #2 Flawless Victory (http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5979/screenshot03027.jpg)

Was no easy task I failed a few attempts mostly due to not remembering the trap locations and random patterns of the quest. On the last run everything went quite well.. Tell I ran out of hard drive space recording it, which causes the lag to drop to 1FPS and become unplayable.. That got me killed early on (at a point I had already past in previous attempts) in the third run and was tired of restarting so I used my festival egg siberys cake and continued, so 1 death. I might re-do it with no deaths sometime.

See how it happened here in high-def 1080p video:
Sins Elite Part1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l388L9FMomg&fmt=37)
Sins Elite Part2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjVX2qXo5Y8&fmt=37)
Sins Elite Part3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u0rO2cEs-E&fmt=37)
Sins Elite Part4 (boss-fight from run #2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nutELeWyo9g&fmt=37)

Unfortunately when I ran out of HD space the first time I deleted some stuff and continued and it was fine. But then ran out a 2nd time before the boss fight and no matter how much I deleted it wouldn't record again without setting my FPS to 1.. So have to defrag I guess.. Too bad the boss-fight was pretty insane. I purposely took the badge for the hardest possible boss (imo) and did not hand it in to make it even harder.

Edit: Did a second run, much faster and flawless victory, and also managed to record the exciting boss-fight without getting smashed into the ground due to record lag I get in his room this time :D

[Logic]

Awesome.

Yeah I'm definately making a barbarian :P

[Xyfiel]

Tried this a few days ago on my AA, but didn't have a good plan for some parts. Still have a list of items to acquire, but since I am close now, shouldn't be a problem in the future.

Of course I have nothing to compete with Epic SOS, but a Epic Thornlord and only fighting when manyshot is up would be a boring yet effective tactic. I just got a vorpal returning axe also, quite useful in sins.

Anyway, gj.

[xTethx]

Try new invasion elite, its a bit more of a challenge then sins elite, but now that they nerfed ellies its not as bad.

[Shade]

Try new invasion elite, its a bit more of a challenge then sins elite, but now that they nerfed ellies its not as bad.

Reall'y can't agree with that at all. You ever tried to solo sins elite?

In the history of DDO it's only been done once before by MrCow, who did is steath style avoiding all encounters.

While a new invasion elite has been solo'd a few times, often by clerics and favored souls simply running to the end not really killing anything besides the required encounters with blade barrier at each hole, several did it in my guild who didn't even bother to post it as it's not a big deal..
As for the encounters they are small and easy along the way. In sins every single encounter is extremely hard, making running through just about impossible. You either kill through, or stealth through, theres no run option here.

Yes new invasions boss fight USED to be tougher then Sins, but thats no longer true. Especially not when you select the badge. It's really kinda a joke the way they nerfed the elementals, which were the only real challenging encounters in there. All you do is kill a few devils, 1 elementla, then beat down a pitfiend while moving in a circle.. In Sins, you have 2 orthons and 2 devils, CONSTANTLY beating the snot out of you, they respawn every 30 seconds.

[MrCow]

A nice accomplishment, that I can't disagree with, being this is one of the quests where each devil-based fight can be nasty to manage due to the high volume of incoming damage.


In the history of DDO it's only been done once before by MrCow, who did is steath style avoiding all encounters.

In the history of the DDO forums as far as posting goes, maybe. Just because it wasn't posted within doesn't mean it was never done.


In sins every single encounter is extremely hard, making running through just about impossible. You either kill through, or stealth through, theres no run option here.

There is a (reasonably sane on the consumables) run option providing you are invisible. Some spots may need some precise jumps and other spots are greatly aided with sprint boost/monk run speed (as it is fast enough to shake devils off completely from being able to teleport back to you on the straightaways), and the final spawn requires an abundant step/leap of faith with a high jump to pull the levers to the 6 bosses non-detected, but a run option is there.


In Sins, you have 2 orthons and 2 devils, CONSTANTLY beating the snot out of you, they respawn every 30 seconds.

There isn't really a respawn (and it is not on a timer, its on a "kill so many devils at ambush sites"). It is just that as you slay the devils there are times where more will wake up from their statuette state or portal in until a set amount have done so for that area.

[Shade]

There is a (reasonably sane on the consumables) run option providing you are invisible. Some spots may need some precise jumps and other spots are greatly aided with sprint boost/monk run speed (as it is fast enough to shake devils off completely from being able to teleport back to you on the straightaways), and the final spawn requires an abundant step/leap of faith with a high jump to pull the levers to the 6 bosses non-detected, but a run option is there.
Video please. :) I'd believe thats something you could maybe do.. But anyone else.. Mmm. No.


There isn't really a respawn (and it is not on a timer, its on a "kill so many devils at ambush sites"). It is just that as you slay the devils there are times where more will wake up from their statuette state or portal in until a set amount have done so for that area.

I realise there are zero respawns in the actaul quest area. But your me quoting out of context.

I'm refering to the boss fight with Cenodoxus - without handing in the badge. This fight features constant respawns exactly as I said. Making it extremely hard on a melee who has no other choice but to kill them (even silver flame potions cannot heal thru 5 devils beating me down while chained unable to move around).

[MrCow]

I'm refering to the boss fight with Cenodoxus - without handing in the badge.

Ok, your comment makes more sense now that you stated that information. Lacking that information though... I can only assume what I can from whatever context clues you give (your comment of selecting the badge is kinda disjointed from the comment of the respawning devils in the Ceno fight). :)

[Shade]

Ok, your comment makes more sense now that you stated that information. Lacking that information though... I can only assume what I can from whatever context clues you give (your comment of selecting the badge is kinda disjointed from the comment of the respawning devils in the Ceno fight). :)

Actauly the context is there. Perhaps just worded poorly tho:

Quoting myself:

Yes new invasions boss fight USED to be tougher then Sins

In Sins, you have 2 orthons and 2 devils, CONSTANTLY beating the snot out of you, they respawn every 30 seconds.

As it's the same topic, I didn't change the subject from "bossfight" to "trash fights"

[xTethx]

Reall'y can't agree with that at all. You ever tried to solo sins elite?

In the history of DDO it's only been done once before by MrCow, who did is steath style avoiding all encounters.

While a new invasion elite has been solo'd a few times, often by clerics and favored souls simply running to the end not really killing anything besides the required encounters with blade barrier at each hole, several did it in my guild who didn't even bother to post it as it's not a big deal..
As for the encounters they are small and easy along the way. In sins every single encounter is extremely hard, making running through just about impossible. You either kill through, or stealth through, theres no run option here.

Yes new invasions boss fight USED to be tougher then Sins, but thats no longer true. Especially not when you select the badge. It's really kinda a joke the way they nerfed the elementals, which were the only real challenging encounters in there. All you do is kill a few devils, 1 elementla, then beat down a pitfiend while moving in a circle.. In Sins, you have 2 orthons and 2 devils, CONSTANTLY beating the snot out of you, they respawn every 30 seconds.

Dont why you're caught up on sins elite, the quest is a joke to run on a fvs. Just run by everything and set up maybe 2 or 3 kill zones and spam bb, holy smite, cometfall, chaos hammer, then heal. Quest can be and has been done by me numerous times on elite in less than 15 mins.

So maybe for a melee yes id agree, sins is tougher; but to say the badge is tough, just run the AI ******** devil around a pillar with 3 bb's.

[Shade]

Dont why you're caught up on sins elite, the quest is a joke to run on a fvs. Just run by everything and set up maybe 2 or 3 kill zones and spam bb, holy smite, cometfall, chaos hammer, then heal. Quest can be and has been done by me numerous times on elite in less than 15 mins.
Screenshot or it didn't happen.

Really, there are zero fvs/clr post soloing this quest on elite on the forums. So I really don't believe you've ever done it. Much less in 15minuits.

There aren't many harder quests in the game on elite.. So what you call a "joke" really doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps you think all of DDO is a joke.

[dj.kickz]

Reall'y can't agree with that at all. You ever tried to solo sins elite?

In the history of DDO it's only been done once before by MrCow, who did is steath style avoiding all encounters.


I have to disagree. Silvercast (fvs) on cannith (a new server too) has been soloing Sins elite since well before update 1, and no stealth just a lot of BB's and wings. Back when the traps hit for 900. Never knew it was a big deal since it was so easy to do on our new server.

[xTethx]

Screenshot or it didn't happen.

Really, there are zero fvs/clr post soloing this quest on elite on the forums. So I really don't believe you've ever done it. Much less in 15minuits.

There aren't many harder quests in the game on elite.. So what you call a "joke" really doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps you think all of DDO is a joke.

Maybe this game is a joke, but i dont know what kinda fvs u got on your server. If you ever tried it on a fvs ud realize u only need to hit like 7 buttons the whole quest. And im sorry i need to justify myself with a screenshot, but really what kind of accomplishment is soloin sins on elite? If I'm actually the only one that has ever soloed this quest on elite, well then, wow, just wow.

[MrCow]

Video please. :)

When I get around to it, sure. Just be warned that it will probably be specifically on the stretch after Salagia to the intersection of the bosses, and I don't guarantee it will be any bit pretty as the character I'd normally do that on (12 Ranger/8 Bard) is currently in a different reincarnation state.

[weyoun]

Screenshot or it didn't happen.

Really, there are zero fvs/clr post soloing this quest on elite on the forums. So I really don't believe you've ever done it. Much less in 15minuits.

There aren't many harder quests in the game on elite.. So what you call a "joke" really doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps you think all of DDO is a joke.

Shade,

I've piked at the beginning with 4 others while Tethtify runs it elite and we do nothing. Nice try calling him out, but its a big fat fail.

Lolz

[Shade]

Maybe this game is a joke
Then why do you play it?

And someone already beat you to posting the first FvS/Clr completion of this quest in the Barbarian forum. Tho I doubt it was in 15 minuits, and I still don't believe you.

[Shade]

I've piked at the beginning with 4 others while Tethtify runs it elite and we do nothing.


Nothing failed here. I said I never beleived he solo'd the quest. It doesn't count as solo if there 4 other people in the quest.

And while im sure a few clr/fvs solo'd the quest as a SS was already posted, I still don't believe his 15 min completion time comment.

[xTethx]

Then why do you play it?

And someone already beat you to posting the first FvS/Clr completion of this quest in the Barbarian forum. Tho I doubt it was in 15 minuits, and I still don't believe you.

D*** Shade doesnt believe me. Like I care, i'll go back to playin this game, you can continue to post your "awesome" achievements on elite content that is 6 months old.

[weyoun]

Nothing failed here. I said I never beleived he solo'd the quest. It doesn't count as solo if there 4 other people in the quest.

And while im sure a few clr/fvs solo'd the quest as a SS was already posted, I still don't believe his 15 min completion time comment.

Its HARDER to solo if there are 4 others in the quest doing NOTHING but piking a flag. But that prolly doesn't make sense to you.

[Shade]

Its HARDER to solo if there are 4 others in the quest doing NOTHING but piking a flag. But that prolly doesn't make sense to you.

It's not harder when it never actually happened. Making things up is easy.

Tho the theoretical concept I am well aware.. Elite does scale a little bit with party size, tho not nearly as much as normal or hard.

[weyoun]

It's not harder when it never actually happened. Making things up is easy.

Tho the theoretical concept I am well aware.. Elite does scale a little bit with party size, tho not nearly as much as normal or hard.

Ok Shade. D@mn, you got me. It never happened. The day is yours oh Captain my Captain!!

[AxeM]

I wonder what else has only ever been soloed by MrCow in the entire history of DDO forever.

[xTethx]

Ok Shade. D@mn, you got me. It never happened. The day is yours oh Captain my Captain!!

The day is his, in case you havent heard he soloed a quest on elite. Fact is if you do not post a screenshot nowadays nobody will believe you. It doesnt bother me he doesnt think a fvs can solo this quest elite.

It is a shame tho that it took him 6 months to accomplish this. It's ok Shade, kept ya busy tho.

[Vhlad]

In the history of DDO it's only been done once before by MrCow, who did is steath style avoiding all encounters.


??

I've done elite sins solo on my FvS. I didn't even consider it an achievement.

But I must admit I am impressed to see shade do something without a full party of clerics/bards/casters/halflings catering to his every whim. :) GJ shade!

[gillilandjoshua]

i know of at least 2 wf fvs on your server axer that solo sins elite regularly (zoooooool and soulspetz). next time i'll take a screenie didnt really think it was much of an accomplishment on an fvs though, and on a barb i feel that is an excellent accomplishment congrats.

[Inspire]

Screenshot or it didn't happen.

Ive solo'd alot of other Elite and Epic content I just choose not to post it, but I was told to post this so I will. It could be done about 2-3 minutes faster with an eardweller but anyways here's the SS:

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr295/InspireJonathan/ScreenShot00000.jpg

[Zaius]

Reall'y can't agree with that at all. You ever tried to solo sins elite?

In the history of DDO it's only been done once before by MrCow, who did is steath style avoiding all encounters.


I'm going to have to call you out on this one. Although I usually agree with or are simply amused by what you post, I know for a fact that this isn't true because I've done it on my FvS. I played a tank'ish, melee based one, so I didn't just drop blade barriers all over the place and try to run back and forth, for the most part I tried to stealth invis/haste/jump/fly past fights, but at times it got really ridiculous trying to melee masses of devils at the levers. My one death was when I had failed to invis/fly properly, so I had most of the dungeon following me near the shrine. I chose to just die, res, pick off the ones near the shrine, then continue the attempt. I don't remember my resource consumption but I believe it was relatively low, compared to my elite new invasion melee attempt before air eles were nerfed.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9218/mechamagussinselitespee.th.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/mechamagussinselitespee.jpg/)

I'm positive that a pure blade barrier spec'd FvS would have a much easier time than I did, simply flying back and forth over the devils as they got wrecked by blades.

I believe ultimega has some screenshots of this too, and this was a while back, before all of the fancy resurrections and whatnot.

Also, since I played a melee WF FvS, I didn't even have the free heal. With that and blade barrier, basically the entire game becomes trivial aside from epic (I assume, I quit a while back)

[xTethx]

Ive solo'd alot of other Elite and Epic content I just choose not to post it, but I was told to post this so I will. It could be done about 2-3 minutes faster with an eardweller but anyways here's the SS:

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr295/InspireJonathan/ScreenShot00000.jpg

You're gonna get some **** for not getting conquest. Accept it.

[Monkey_Archer]

Congrats. Very impressive for a pure melee build.

It has been done many times by caster types though... Many people have done this on fvs... I even did it at level 19 on my 2x TR wizard while getting yugo favor (no i dont have a screenshot because it was too easy to be considered an accomplishment)
But it is impressive for a 0 ac melee... I dont think I have any melee build that could do it that fast with 150+ kills, so congratz

[Clay]

impressive enough on a pure melee build... but I have seen Cannonfodder solo it too.

I solo'd it elite several times on my FvS to get favor for other toons of mine parked in the beginning. I didn't think it was a great accomplishment... seeing as I have seen teth complete it, when I was piking, much faster than my 21 minutes. Though I usually take the time to move my pikers to the center table so they can loot the chest after--that costs a couple minutes.

It is a fun quest and I would rather solo it than go thru there with a group.

[bobbryan2]

Very impressive on a melee build.

That being said... I'm not even a good soloer and I've done it solo on elite on my favored soul... picked up all three optional chests and usually do it around 30 minutes. It's just easy for a FvS.

That doens't detract from your accomplishment so much as show your unfamiliarity with divine casters in Amrath.

[weyoun]

In the history of DDO it's only been done once before by MrCow, who did is steath style avoiding all encounters.



Wow, looks like you've engendered a rash of solo Sin's elite via your post. Good thing you got this post up before everyone else. Max gratz. You've inspired a whole generation!!

[stz]

very nice axer, although not surprised that you could do it :D, esp with silver flame pots. good job!

[Khellendros13]

Pretty impressive for a melee. I have always thought a barb could solo most things provided enough silver flame pots.

I don't doubt that many fvs have solo'd elite sins before...only 1 Wizard spoke up though so I will attempt this tonight on my Wiz. Died the only time I tried solo elite because I pulled too many mobs, should of kept it at yellow not red alert :)

No chance of the end fight?

[Murderface]

shade thats a nice video of how to avoid damage while back peddling and also wasting all those consumables...
I bet i could do that dumb quest on elite for my clr
there is another option not mentioned by riley.
its good ole fashion body pulling yes it still works folks amazing....
axer did some but not enough. i dont think i would need wings lol heh wings
no i dont think u need wings u just got to know how to body pull one mob per ambush and do em one at a time.

set up double triple bb ticks...quadruple with a few to spare? ive had to solo awhile during the big ambush in genesis from the lever area. where all the nubs decided hey lets all pull em in at once they all die because im a rez cleric not a healer. anyways i had to kill about 40 elite mobs
trolls oros devils casting little lizards and i did just fine wings dont allow you to suck up all that torc juice. i had bb dps and mob dps lag pretty dang horrible like but they died i lived and killed the most mobs i have ever seen in one place at one time.(WAY more then sins)
devine damage cannot be stopped its like a big trap emp heighten max extend quicken theres nothing a cleric/fs cannot do basicly
oh and my bar was filling just as fast as the hey i made 5 C.O stack procs on me lol

i bet 2 could maybe duo tod the fs or a fs and clr

[Bacab]

Its obvious that your friend "Misadventure" helped you. He has 2 kills...you did not do a good enough job aggroing EVERYTHING!

Very disappointed in you Shade. We all know "Misadventrure" is a gimp and you let him get not 1...but 2 Kills. Go do it again and do it by yourself this time!

Seriously, congrats man. Musta been fun and difficult.

[maddmatt70]

Sigh this has been done by several people in your own guild Shade including Ultimega (on paladin) and Ibuki(Tachikoma) and I would not be surprised if quicktoez has done it. Ultimega posted the accomplishments months ago anyway.

[Anneliese]

oh and my bar was filling just as fast as the hey i made 5 C.O stack procs on me lol


While that was a impressive thing to do, C.O. accessoires do not stack. (maybe I misunderstood you there tho)


And nice work Shade!

[Murderface]

While that was a impressive thing to do, C.O. accessoires do not stack. (maybe I misunderstood you there tho)


And nice work Shade! uhm im saying torc is the most sp u gonna get in this game C O is just a minor ad on. any devine can solo probably just about anything in game.

[stz]

Sigh this has been done by several people in your own guild Shade including Ultimega (on paladin) and Ibuki(Tachikoma) and I would not be surprised if quicktoez has done it. Ultimega posted the accomplishments months ago anyway.

was that on elite ? only one ive seen posted by ulti was speed normal, not here to question anyone's ability to solo, just that I havent seen any other and its a different ball game than normal speed. :-D

P.S. and plus I think its more to show what barbarians at end game are capable of more than tryin to beat someone else's record. If you stick to that perspective, it is quite an achievement in my opinion :-).

[Impatiens]

You killed 146 monsters, misadventure killed 2...how does that add up to 152. I am so confused!

Nice accomplishment regardless of DDO's failed math :)

[Gawna]

Why are you wearing clothes in this video? Need the password to see the adult version plz. :D

[Delt]

Screenshot or it didn't happen.

Really, there are zero fvs/clr post soloing this quest on elite on the forums. So I really don't believe you've ever done it. Much less in 15minuits.

There aren't many harder quests in the game on elite.. So what you call a "joke" really doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps you think all of DDO is a joke.

Yeesh, you guys are slackers. If anything on this forum calls for a rash of facepalm pics, it's this.

Grats on the solo attempt though. Given how long it took ya at each encounter, it musta taken quite a while and a lot of silverflame pots :eek:

[Khelden]

shade thats a nice video of how to avoid damage while back peddling and also wasting all those consumables...
I bet i could do that dumb quest on elite for my clr
What about this...

Could you do it on a class which is not total keyboard faceroll?

Cleric/FvS in action here: http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/6315/epiccleric.jpg

[badbob117]

Nice job. That was a pleasure to watch :)

Long live the Barb. RAWR. :p

[macros123]

Ive solo'd alot of other Elite and Epic content I just choose not to post it, but I was told to post this so I will. It could be done about 2-3 minutes faster with an eardweller but anyways here's the SS:

http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr295/InspireJonathan/ScreenShot00000.jpg

Now you know that Shade will not post on this thread again, right? Most of us would admit that it is possible now that the screenshot for proof was offered, but Shade is incapable of admitting he was wrong.

[Humperdink]

1. It *is* impressive that you solo'd this on a melee, especially a barbarian who really has no inherent healing ability. Congrats!

2. I've been soloing this with my Warchanter Bard on Elite for a few months now in about 20-25 minutes, 10-15 on Normal. Zerg while invisible, fascinate, and TWF Khopesh ftw.

3. I was inspired my Mr Cow's and Ultimega's videos which I watched a few times to get a handle on spawn points, dungeon layout, good points to make a stand and fight, etc. Thanks for making those.

[Shade]

Very impressive on a melee build.

That being said... I'm not even a good soloer and I've done it solo on elite on my favored soul... picked up all three optional chests and usually do it around 30 minutes. It's just easy for a FvS.

That doens't detract from your accomplishment so much as show your unfamiliarity with divine casters in Amrath.

Unfamiliarity ? I have a pure level20 dwarf FvS with 500+ HP that I fully realised can do this easily as well. No where did I claim otherwise. I claimed this as the first brute force melee completion (and only other melee completion being by MrCows Monk who did it stealth style. These claims are stil true and no one has has tried to claim otherwise.

My only claim was that I didn't believe someone who trashtalked my post for no good reason claimed it was easy. And I still don't. Im going to maintain that he did it after me, and that he could not of done it without watching my video =)

So your welcome for the help teth.

And congrats to all the favored souls that did it AFTER me. No you can not claim to have done it before without ever posting a screenshot. And yes I believe you've done it a long time ago, but I won't accept the claim. I don't imagine you care either, else you would of posted it.

Again this is the first brute force melee competion. No Khybers other ultimate melees such as Quicktoe or Ultimega did not do this first, or ever.

[Shade]

Sigh this has been done by several people in your own guild Shade including Ultimega (on paladin) and Ibuki(Tachikoma) and I would not be surprised if quicktoez has done it. Ultimega posted the accomplishments months ago anyway.

Good old norg. Always can be relied on to post something negative in something he should be happy to see. You've always been about showing that Khyber is a strong melee server and have helped prove that allot with your own acomplishments and our past group accomplishments. We beat shroud elite first because we had you and me in the group man, not because we competed with each other, but because we worked together.

I don't know why you have to make false claims and put mine down. Ultimega did it on normal in 8 minuits which is awesome (possibly the speedrun record, i dunno), post here:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206018&highlight=Sins

I don't know if tac did it or not. Quicktoe did Invasion solo allot, not sins.

[Shade]

Now you know that Shade will not post on this thread again, right? Most of us would admit that it is possible now that the screenshot for proof was offered, but Shade is incapable of admitting he was wrong.

I admit nothing to people who toss insults at me, but I have no reason not to continue to post in my own accomplishment thread.

Thanks for the bump.

[Shade]

Yeesh, you guys are slackers. If anything on this forum calls for a rash of facepalm pics, it's this.

Grats on the solo attempt though. Given how long it took ya at each encounter, it musta taken quite a while and a lot of silverflame pots :eek:

per the OP: 50 minuits (taking my time and pulling some encounters slowly)
Potions: 60 (allot less then I expected)
The potions are actuallly relatively cheap, so it's no huge resource consuption run like a clr/fvs using several mana pots at 10k plat a piece. (Not claiming anyone did use many on this quest, thats just a comparion)

[Shade]

You killed 146 monsters, misadventure killed 2...how does that add up to 152. I am so confused!

Nice accomplishment regardless of DDO's failed math :)

Sometimes I kill my enemies so fast even the game can't keep up with my killcount =) Barbarians don't use math, we hack and slash until everything is dead!
(just kidding im not sure what does it)
Actually quite a common thing in all of my end killcounts.

[Shade]

shade thats a nice video of how to avoid damage while back peddling and also wasting all those consumables...
I bet i could do that dumb quest on elite for my clr
there is another option not mentioned by riley.
its good ole fashion body pulling yes it still works folks amazing....

Go do it on your clr with less then 20kpp worth of consumables, then complain. Just admit your jealous lol, murder doesn't have silverflame pots =)

Old fashion body pulling? mm no. I did try to carefully pull sometimes, othertimes I agrod allot for more of a challenge.

You can't really pull small groups very well with a barb you need stealth and invis to get the small encounters. Or facinate. I have none of those things.

Trhowing an axe at the statues ahead doesnt activate them, you need t oget into a certain range. I did use a summon to activate them once, but between madstones and rages, its annoying.

[Stamp3de]

Good old norg. Always can be relied on to post something negative in something he should be happy to see. You've always been about showing that Khyber is a strong melee server and have helped prove that allot with your own acomplishments and our past group accomplishments. We beat shroud elite first because we had you and me in the group man, not because we competed with each other, but because we worked together.

I don't know why you have to make false claims and put mine down. Ultimega did it on normal in 8 minuits which is awesome (possibly the speedrun record, i dunno), post here:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206018&highlight=Sins

I don't know if tac did it or not. Quicktoe did Invasion solo allot, not sins.

I actually got it down to 6 mins :D (tied with MrCow), but ya on norm.

I got pretty far on elite back when I had silverflame pots before I reincarnated. I gotta try it again sometime, but first I need to get silverflame favor again :(
Epic SoS would be nice too...

Pretty cool achievement, especially on a barb.

[nibelung]

why is everyone saying "so what my FvS can solo that" going through quests with only BB is not impressive...doing it on a barb especially is pretty impressive imo

[Dinglebarry]

Shade's peen is so big that he cannot see that other's are bigger. :P

[Shade]

why is everyone saying "so what my FvS can solo that" going through quests with only BB is not impressive...doing it on a barb especially is pretty impressive imo

Ditto.. I have a pretty much unkillable dwarf fvs too, and solo'd everything from level17-20 on him. It's pretty much THE easybutton class. Especially in heavy melee quests where the enemies constantly teleport and thus take massive damage from BB.

Run, bladebarrier, wings, heal.. Quest complete.

I mean to beat this quest on elite on any class is impressive.. It's just the kind of quest that FvS are very easy to play in.

[xTethx]

Ditto.. I have a pretty much unkillable dwarf fvs too, and solo'd everything from level17-20 on him. It's pretty much THE easybutton class. Especially in heavy melee quests where the enemies constantly teleport and thus take massive damage from BB.

Run, bladebarrier, wings, heal.. Quest complete.

I mean to beat this quest on elite on any class is impressive.. It's just the kind of quest that FvS are very easy to play in.

Then why did you even doubt what i said yesterday? If you soloed 17-20 on him, why the heck would you say there is no possible way for a fvs to solo it on elite in/around 15 minutes?

Oh and thx for inspiring me to run this on elite, couldnt have done it w/o your videos.

[MrCow]

There is a (reasonably sane on the consumables) run option providing you are invisible. Some spots may need some precise jumps and other spots are greatly aided with sprint boost/monk run speed (as it is fast enough to shake devils off completely from being able to teleport back to you on the straightaways), and the final spawn requires an abundant step/leap of faith with a high jump to pull the levers to the 6 bosses non-detected, but a run option is there.


Video please. :)

As I cautioned before, it isn't the most pretty of runs, especially being I was using a 18 Paladin/2 Rogue who's greatest amount of healing comes from Reconstruction scrolls (which, at 110 per scroll, doesn't do much on healing inside). I also screwed up on the way past the second cinderspawn and went along the east wall (netting 2 Bearded Devils instead of 1) so that didn't help my situation later when I died just before the final ambush sight. The character also didn't have abundant step or sprint boost, so I did have to fight a few along the way instead of shaking them off.

Regardless, the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAKBrObXDyQ) gives you the visual you were looking for.

[Shade]

Regardless, the video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAKBrObXDyQ) gives you the visual you were looking for.
Very cool video.

But doesn't really disprove the statement you're previously quoting.. Invis qualifies as stealth imo. I simply meant you can't run unstealth/uninvis thru like you can in invasion, as the enemies can't follow you down most of the holes, so whatever crazy amount of dungeon alert you may build up, you can simply wait out at the next level.

And invis/stealth just isn't my style.. Especially not on my Barbarians who simply cannot do what you do in the video (no umd = no scrolls, and while I could use potions, there a bit annoying to gather, clickies I would simply run out of without heavy self-shrine use). I'm more about the brute force decimation lately.

I liked it a bit years ago on my rogue when it was rather powerful as using objects/chests/nearly anything never broke stealth. But after the nerfs and other difficulties added too it, it started to seem like more work then it's worth to avoid a little bloodshed.. And I like bloodshed.

[Shade]

why the heck would you say there is no possible way for a fvs to solo it on elite in/around 15 minutes?
Wanna quote where I said that? I'm not seeing it.

I said you specificly could not do it. I never said that that others could not have. Someone who talks trash and calls a difficult quest a "joke" is someone I have little faith in. But I guess my doubts convinced you to do it so it's all good.



Oh and thx for inspiring me to run this on elite, couldnt have done it w/o your videos.

No problem. Congrats on your run.

[Inspire]

And congrats to all the favored souls that did it AFTER me. No you can not claim to have done it before without ever posting a screenshot. And yes I believe you've done it a long time ago, but I won't accept the claim. I don't imagine you care either, else you would of posted it.

Shade,

To be completely honest this is the easiest quest to complete in amarath on Elite, so alot of people I know(especially on their FvS) will knock this out solo for Favor. Back when we noticed large ingredients dropping from the side chests I used to solo this on elite because I figured; Normal - Small, Hard - Medium, Elite - Large ingredients. It has been quite some time since I figured out that is not the case but regardless, people have solo'd it on Elite whether you choose to believe that or not. Understand that not everyone posts their achievements on the boards to be publically recognized.

I don't understand why you have to be so hostile about this, your solo is a great accomplishment for a melée and no one will argue that. But this is not an achievment for a FvS with a Torc.

[Arkat]

For more Axer awesomeness, click here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kK6F7t-x6E).


:D

[Phidius]

...
I don't understand why you have to be so hostile about this, your solo is a great accomplishment for a melée and no one will argue that. But this is not an achievment for a FvS with a Torc.

It seemed to start after someone made a condescending post about how it was a joke to solo Sins on Elite, thus attempting to diminish Shade's accomplishment.

Congrats, Shade - this makes me reconsider playing a barbarian...


... nah, I'll stick with wizards :D

[Zombiekenny]

It seemed to start after someone made a condescending post about how it was a joke to solo Sins on Elite, thus attempting to diminish Shade's accomplishment.

Congrats, Shade - this makes me reconsider playing a barbarian...


... nah, I'll stick with wizards :D
Shade stated that it wasn't an achievement to do new invasion on elite, so people didn't bother posting about it, and that you couldn't do this on elite solo as a FVS, its right there on the first page. He seemed to fail to consider that the reason noone posts it as an achievement is that everyone knows that this isn't an achievement for a FVS really, or isn't any more so than new invasion.

[Shade]

Shade stated that it wasn't an achievement to do new invasion on elite, so people didn't bother posting about it, and that you couldn't do this on elite solo as a FVS, its right there on the first page. He seemed to fail to consider that the reason noone posts it as an achievement is that everyone knows that this isn't an achievement for a FVS really, or isn't any more so than new invasion.

I stated neither of those things. Read the thread more carefully before jumping to conclusions.

And yea screenshot or it never happened is a pretty simple concept.

Or we could all be naieve enough to believe everything posted on the internet. That would be great.
PS: I Solo'd the quest on my favored soul a year before it was released on epic, with 19 neg lvls from the cinderspawn, and I did it while blindfolded. Surely you believe me?

The point is, don't go on someones achivement thread claiming you did it before them and it was easy, without any proof. Your just insulting that person, and wasting everyones time.

[Shade]

To be completely honest this is the easiest quest to complete in amarath on Elite,
And you would certainly know because you completed it on elite on a melee? (and all of the other amrath quests on elite)

Read the thread title, I purposely put MELEE in there for a reason.

Easiest quest for a favored soul != easiest quest for a melee. Simple concept I assumed most people would understand.

I'm not hostile to anyone. I just don't think it's all that cool to put down someones achivement because you did the quest differently on a totally different class and found it easy. It's actually against the forum rules too.

[Diarden]

Stay tuned for next week when Axer solo's Bastion on Elite with only 15kpp of consumables.

[Zombiekenny]

Reall'y can't agree with that at all. You ever tried to solo sins elite?

In the history of DDO it's only been done once before by MrCow, who did is steath style avoiding all encounters.

While a new invasion elite has been solo'd a few times, often by clerics and favored souls simply running to the end not really killing anything besides the required encounters with blade barrier at each hole, several did it in my guild who didn't even bother to post it as it's not a big deal..
As for the encounters they are small and easy along the way. In sins every single encounter is extremely hard, making running through just about impossible. You either kill through, or stealth through, theres no run option here.

Yes new invasions boss fight USED to be tougher then Sins, but thats no longer true. Especially not when you select the badge. It's really kinda a joke the way they nerfed the elementals, which were the only real challenging encounters in there. All you do is kill a few devils, 1 elementla, then beat down a pitfiend while moving in a circle.. In Sins, you have 2 orthons and 2 devils, CONSTANTLY beating the snot out of you, they respawn every 30 seconds.
Right here is where you state that people do A New Invasion and don't bother to post because its not a big deal. This is in the context of clerics/FvS, so its fairly obvious you are talking about them, or about anyone, and not just about melee.

Melee is fairly impressive, I'm not saying its not, but there is far too many people that have done it on a clr or fvs in the past, or witnessed people doing it all the time, for your claim to hold any water.

[Diarden]

I am not discrediting the fact that Axer pulled off Sins on Elite, we're arguing that its a sub-par accomplishment. Anyone with enough cash to blow on Yugo pots and Silver Flame heal pots can run through Sins Elite with enough time.

I think how this thread was handled over time adds to the complications of it. If Shade came forth humbly instead of arrogantly, people may have sang a different tune. Yes, you may be the first person to post a melee Sins Elite accomplishment with video, kudos to you, but to strut your stuff and put out the persona that you're God's gift to the world is insulting.

Do us all a favor and eat some humble pie Shade.

[Shade]

Right here is where you state that people do A New Invasion and don't bother to post because its not a big deal. This is in the context of clerics/FvS, so its fairly obvious you are talking about them, or about anyone, and not just about melee.
Thats nice, but thats not what you said in your previous post, so what is you goal here? Admit your wrong but change the topic? Use semantics to try to cover up the fact that you never really read what I posted carefully?

You said I posted it wasn't an achivement. I never did post that.
A favored soul did infact post that achivement, do a search. I consider it an achivement too. "not a big deal" of an achivement for some, yea not really after the nerf. But however big or small, it is still one.



Melee is fairly impressive, I'm not saying its not, but there is far too many people that have done it on a clr or fvs in the past, or witnessed people doing it all the time, for your claim to hold any water.

I can't say I care what you think of my claim. The screenshot and video do not lie. It's the 2nd posted elite completion and the first done with aggresion bonus. That is a simple fact. Whatever conjecture people may say afterwards doesn't matter. History is written by the victors.
How many were done before that? Maybe Zero, maybe a million, no point in trying to argue things that you have no proof of.

[Shade]

IAnyone with enough cash to blow on Yugo pots and Silver Flame heal pots can run through Sins Elite with enough time.

Arrogance?

I think that quoted statement is the most arrogant thing I've read in this thread.

[Diarden]

Arrogance?

I think that quoted statement is the most arrogant thing I've read in this thread.

Get your quotes right?

[Shade]

Get your quotes right?

Yup.

[Diarden]

Solo'd Sins of Attrition Elite on my pre Barbarian. Brute force style, killed everything along the way, even some optional side mobs to get 1 extra chest.

I'm not really much of a solo player, but allot of people tell me Barbarians can't solo or that I need 5 healers to do anything.. Figured I'd prove that wrong by completing one of the most difficult quess to heal through in the game, without a healer.

Can solo nearly every quest on a maxxed out Barbarian really, one of the most powerful solo classes at the endgame. All it takes is a few potions.

I purposely took the badge for the hardest possible boss (imo) and did not hand it in to make it even harder.


You're telling me that your comment there is not arrogant? Maybe your definition of arrogance is off? Let me help you out...


ar·ro·gant
adj.
1.
Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2.
Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others
3.
Making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud


If you need any more help with definitions, or possibly how to spell "a lot" (you say allot all the time, drives me crazy) feel free to send me a PM or create a whole new thread for it.

[Zombiekenny]

You posted "several did it in my guild who didn't even bother to post it as it's not a big deal.." about A New Invasion. Arguing that that isn't saying its not an achievement is semantics.

[Khelden]

You're telling me that your comment there is not arrogant? Maybe your definition of arrogance is off? Let me help you out...


ar·ro·gant
adj.
1.
Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2.
Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others
3.
Making claims or pretensions to superior importance or rights; overbearingly assuming; insolently proud


If you need any more help with definitions, or possibly how to spell "a lot" (you say allot all the time, drives me crazy) feel free to send me a PM or create a whole new thread for it.

This is arrogance and should be deleted. Stop your nerdrage now boy.

Back to the topic, until a non-joke (see my picture about Clr/FvS in action, yes, those are joke characters) character posts a screenshot, video of him soloing the said quest, I think everybody should keep quiet, to avoid using some other words. I've played this game for 3 weeks, while Shade seems to post many things which I'd qualify of ... soso, other people are just worse, the guy actually back up what he does with videos and screenshots, not just a big mouth. This is what a new player do see atm.

[Diarden]

This is arrogance and should be deleted. Stop your nerdrage now boy.



Touche

[kaelis]

Thanks for the lols.

[sephiroth1084]

All it takes is a few potions.
How few is 'a few'?

I'm impressed either way, but am curious.

Whenever I get Ferrumrym up to his second TR (have to finish first) I plan on making an attempt at soloing this as well. I'll post screenies then (I'm thinking 3-6 months). With high AC, self-healing via both SP and UMD, and both a Torq and Concordant Opp. item, it should definitely be manageable. Hell, maybe by then I'll have the Epic Vambraces and will be able to add 50% miss chance due to blindness to the survivability mix.

[Delt]

The point is, don't go on someones achivement thread claiming you did it before them and it was easy, without any proof. Your just insulting that person, and wasting everyones time.

This is just...too tempting....

To quote Shade from another achievement thread (re: a guys failed attempt at solo epic von2):


a/c lol. For epic the lower the better, so you were doing pretty well with tha score.

Good attempt.

I actually did this on my barb on Lamannia when it first came out succesfully.. Went in only to look around, but found it was so easy I ended up completing it.
Took an exetremely long time (i killed nearly everything) and I used an absurd amount of silver flame pots, so didn't feel it was worth a post heh.

Ahhh, good times.

[Shade]

Ahhh, good times.
I gave the guy some advice and congratulated him there.

I'm not seeing correlation between this and from those who said they did this particular quest before me, and that it was quote "a joke". They neither offered any congratulations, nor advice, nor a single positive remark.

And while we're here quoting here is my 2nd post in said thread where I offer more advice to help him:

Yea weighted by itself isn't very effective. I just kited them around waiting on my stunning blow cooldown, then stun and killed 1 by 1.

You could probably just kite them and kill with your bow as a ranger. An earthgrab bow would kill them fast as there reflex saves arent particularly good.

And yea I as mrcow said, waves of exhaustion is awesome. I have a cloak with it, (ash2, enervation guard, wave click, fire resist/blind immunity)

I don't have access to a ray of enfeeblement item on my guy tho, so never went behind the waves.. But its good by itself to show them all down as you kite.

Solid fog helps as well.. Think i forgot to use that clicky, but shroud ones also last a long time.
He is also a friend of mine from Khyber that I group with often.

[Shade]

How few is 'a few'?


About 60.

[Judo]

how much does a silver flame pot cost?

[BlackSteel]

how much does a silver flame pot cost?

4416 gold per potion, and you can only stack ten into an inventory slot. So they take up quite a bit of space.

[Wyrmnax]

About 60.

Aff...

So you actually did bring 5 healers for yourself...

Shame i cant see the video right now, curious as how you did to survive the orthon ambushes with 8-9 orthons poping up and shooting.

It is a lot of damage they put up at once even on hard.

[Shade]

how much does a silver flame pot cost?

On my char who has rather poor haggle (6 cha base dwarf barb) they cost around 4300 gold each, or 4300 plat for 10.

So 60 = 25,800 plat.
Minus out the 5-10kpp reward for selling the junk from a few chests and the end reward and the total cost of runnig the quest is around 15-20kpp. Might be allot to some, but not much to me.

Often the real cost of playing an endgame barbarian comes after the quest when it's time to repair.. After heavy epic questing my repair costs are often as much as 10kpp. Tho after an elite quest like this, they are fairly minor as the lower CR's tend not to damage your equipment quite as badly.

[dasein18]

Maybe this game is a joke, but i dont know what kinda fvs u got on your server. If you ever tried it on a fvs ud realize u only need to hit like 7 buttons the whole quest. And im sorry i need to justify myself with a screenshot, but really what kind of accomplishment is soloin sins on elite? If I'm actually the only one that has ever soloed this quest on elite, well then, wow, just wow.

I agree..

know lots of folks that solo Sins on elite with FvS, and other toons. I might have solo on elite too.. cannot remember since seems like such a non-isssue of achievements given this quest has been out since September '09.. a long time in the world of DDO.

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

Shade- if I solo this on my melee fvs without using any offensive spells (only self healing) does that count as a melee solo?

Garth

[grodon9999]

Soloing this with a MELEE on elite is a big deal, I don't understand belittling it. There is a huge difference between beating everything down with a sword/axe and playing "ring around the rosie" with Blade Barriers.

I bet if it were anyone else posting this everyone would be congratulating him on a great job. Yes Shade's about is diplomatic as a sledge-hammer but you can't argue with results. I don't agree with much of his philosophy on what this game should be but you can't take away from his kicking much ass in these videos.

Has maybe another melee done this? It doesn't matter.

[Shade]

Shame i cant see the video right now, curious as how you did to survive the orthon ambushes with 8-9 orthons poping up and shooting.

Oh in some encounters I agro even more then 9 at a time hehe. How did I kill them all? You'll have to check out the video and see :)

In an earlier failed run I agro'd about 20-30 at once by mistake. I actually survived until only a few were left then died as I kept hitting the potion key not realising it was depleted.. Might have to upload that failed segment for fun.

[Shade]

Shade- if I solo this on my melee fvs without using any offensive spells (only self healing) does that count as a melee solo?

Garth

Sure if you wanna say your fvs is "melee", by all means it certainly "counts".

But does it count as a brute force melee solo?

Not necessarily, it depends on how you fight. Especially not if you use heavy stealth, vorpals or other tricks like killing the mobs with the traps. Brute force is just straight up melee combat, where the most of the damage/killing comes from physical attacks, not magical effects.

[Shade]

this quest has been out since September '09.. a long time in the world of DDO.
So long! Almost long enough that you would expect new high level content to have come out by now!

But wait... Oh yea none has yet =/

So old as it is. It's still the newest high level content heh.

Ofcourse there's epic.. But thats a whole different beast, and I have some videos up of that already.

(and no, dreaming dark isn't high level)

I did considered In the Demons den a decent new high lvl elite challenge for a bit.. Tell they nerfed it into oblivion.. Now it's a meh mid level quest.

[Strakeln]

Screenshot or it didn't happen.

Really, there are zero fvs/clr post soloing this quest on elite on the forums. So I really don't believe you've ever done it. Much less in 15minuits.

There aren't many harder quests in the game on elite.. So what you call a "joke" really doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps you think all of DDO is a joke.
Solo'd elite on my cleric and my 13/6/1 tempest acrobat, quite a while ago though (were there any real changes though? I can't think of any). Was much easier on the cleric, just gather/BB/repeat. Took some time and potions but did it on my 1st attempt with him.

I didn't post anything because I didn't think it was a big deal - a cleric or a 13/6/1 can solo **** near anything. I do, however, think that soloing it on a barbarian is a big deal... I wouldn't even try it with mine (no silver flame pots). Congrats, nice accomplishment!

[Shade]

Soloing this with a MELEE on elite is a big deal, I don't understand belittling it. There is a huge difference between beating everything down with a sword/axe and playing "ring around the rosie" with Blade Barriers.

I bet if it were anyone else posting this everyone would be congratulating him on a great job. Yes Shade's about is diplomatic as a sledge-hammer but you can't argue with results. I don't agree with much of his philosophy on what this game should be but you can't take away from his kicking much ass in these videos.

At least someone gets it.

Thanks for the comments. All very true, axers diplomacy skill is -2 :)

[Tulsa_Doom]

Well done Axer/Shade.


-8

[stainer]

At least someone gets it.

Thanks for the comments. All very true, axers diplomacy skill is -2 :)

I know rep doesn't matter to you, but I had to +1 you for the self insight, Good job on the solo run too. I can't wait for the day that silver flame pots aren't a big deal for me to buy.

[Shade]

I know rep doesn't matter to you, but I had to +1 you for the self insight, Good job on the solo run too. I can't wait for the day that silver flame pots aren't a big deal for me to buy.

Eh either way thanks I appreciate the positive feedback even tho I believe the system is flawed and thus choose not to participate.

[TFPAQ]

i know of at least 2 wf fvs on your server axer that solo sins elite regularly (zoooooool and soulspetz). next time i'll take a screenie didnt really think it was much of an accomplishment on an fvs though, and on a barb i feel that is an excellent accomplishment congrats.

I don't have a screen shot (cuz then they wouldn't have soloed it ..), but both those guys are in the same guild as I am and I know that Z soloed it on elite a looong time ago, before or right around the time that Spetz was rolling up Soulspetz.

I'm not trying to take away from the accomplishment of a Barb doing this. The FVS class does have advantages so I still give credit to Shade on this one.

[AxeM]

Shade:
Well sure, if you had started off by just saying look this quest is easy for FVSs but I'm proud I soloed it my barbarian (without any stealth), maybe you would have gotten more grats. Instead you went and ****ed people off by claiming that nobody other then Mr. Cow had ever soloed it before on elite and thus you were more zuber then everybody.

Now some of us, that don't have our heads stuck in the omg 700hp+ barbarians who require a personal healer(or 3) or an hour, 60 silver flame pots and enough cookies to make the cookie monster diabetic, are the only melee worth playing, have been soloing it on our FVSs on elite thinking it was no big deal or going afk at the entrance while our guildy FVSs do all the work while we rake in the xp/loot.

[AxeM]

one of the most powerful solo classes at the endgame


You ever tried to solo sins elite?

In the history of DDO it's only been done once before by MrCow, who did is steath style avoiding all encounters.


Screenshot or it didn't happen.

Really, there are zero fvs/clr post soloing this quest on elite on the forums. So I really don't believe you've ever done it. Much less in 15minuits.


Unfamiliarity ? I have a pure level20 dwarf FvS with 500+ HP that I fully realised can do this easily as well. No where did I claim otherwise. I claimed this as the first brute force melee completion (and only other melee completion being by MrCows Monk who did it stealth style. These claims are stil true and no one has has tried to claim otherwise.


I'm really confused Shade. First you tell us that Barbarians are one of the best at soloing. Then when the FVSs go this quest is easy you tell them you don't believe them. Then when presented with proof you backtrack and say that well of course it's easy for a FVS, Barbarians and brute force are a totally gimpy way of trying to get things done so I should get special grats for doing that just as if I was trying to run a marathon with only 1 leg. While that makes total sense to me and would be worth grats, I just don't see how it lines up with the initial assertion that Barbarians are a powerful solo class at end game.

I don't think you get to have it both ways, either barbarians aren't zuber and your accomplishment is, or barbarians are zuber and your accomplishment isn't. Which will it be Shade?

[sephiroth1084]

Careful, his head may explode!

[Shade]

Shade:
Well sure, if you had started off by just saying look this quest is easy for FVSs but I'm proud I soloed it my barbarian (without any stealth), maybe you would have gotten more grats. Instead you went and ****ed people off by claiming that nobody other then Mr. Cow had ever soloed it before on elite and thus you were more zuber then everybody.


I'm not sure what zuber means. I guess it's a good thing but I never made any claims to be anything "uber" with or without the "z". The achivement is what it is, if you think it's "zuber" thats entire in YOUR mind, it's not something I've said.

If people get ****ed off because they thought it would be better to wait a few months and post their own achivement inside of my achivement thread instead of making there own back when they did it, well thats entirely their problem. I find it their timing of when they would post it interesting. Would almost seem like they WANTED someone else to post it first.

Course it's not the first time someone from Thelanis/Legion came running over to a thread I posted and graciously told me how much better they are that they did it first. Forgive me if I become jaded of their actions after the 50th thread.

So anyways thanks for thinking this achivement is "zuber". I guess.

If I started the thread by saying grats to the favored souls that did it first, I would have to be a mind reader or something. Or just doubt my own abilities so badly that I have to assume other people had done it .

I'm neither of those things. What am I?

I'm Axer.


Which will it be Shade?

Glad you enjoyed the video, be sure to subscribe.

[Diarden]

Might be allot to some, but not much to me.



No, you're someone that cannot spell "a lot". "A lot" is two words, not one with an extra L in it. Please, for the love of god, spell "a lot" correctly. Second time I've had to say something!

[Shade]

No, you're someone that cannot spell "a lot". "A lot" is two words, not one with an extra L in it. Please, for the love of god, spell "a lot" correctly. Second time I've had to say something!

Thanks allot for the bump to my thread.

[macros123]

If Shade came forth humbly instead of arrogantly, people may have sang a different tune.
Do us all a favor and eat some humble pie Shade.


HA!! I'd like to see an accomplishment video of THAT.

[Diarden]

Thanks allot for the bump to my thread.

I swear, you're going to give me an aneurysm.

[moops]

Congrats, awesome Achievement for a Barb. You put alot of hard work into favor and Epic, and it's paid off.

Im not sure how you could think tho, that only one other person had ever done this before you, being that you have an FVS. . .None of us ever posted SS on our FVS, Clerics or casters because it is done so much that it really doesn't seem like an achievement. For Elite Favor/XP we typically park at the door while one Caster or Divine run the quest. Invasion seemed like an achievement when it first came out because the end fight was a B*itch, end fights in Sins are all wimpy. Admitting that this has been done by casters and Divines b4 you does not diminish your feat in the least, but instead you chose to call people liars.

[totmacher]

grats on drinking a lot of silver flame pots and proving that self-healing in this game is not balanced for every class. no but unsarcastically, grats, it's not a super duper achievement but i think the reason why a lot of people are calling you out on it is because it's not exactly a first that a lot of people care about. plus you tend to talk up barbarian thf dps a lot and people are sort of lumping that into this vein...

it would be like me posting that i was the first toon to take every improved critical feat on one person. i've done it and so on but it was only REALLY done through having a bunch of lrs in a row i didn't care about. but anyway grats on the pots and using displacement clickies

[Shade]

Im not sure how you could think tho, that only one other person had ever done this before you, being that you have an FVS.

Think I posted 5 or 25 times that I thought exactly the oposite of that.



but anyway grats on the pots and using displacement clickies
Thanks but you say that like you have something against drinking tasty potions. Is it a crime?

And this comes from a guy who posts several achivements that you yourself claim are mainly based on your uber ability to drink potions (rememer towers and vod elite we did with that horrible pug lol). Isn't that part of the challenge of the game?

BTW I don't actually have any displacement clickies silly (well actually ofcourse I do I have nearly every shroud item clicky lol, but it's been in the bank for a year)
I also didn't wear my radiance guard cuz I hate chasing blind mobs. Oh and later on when my sonic resist ran out, I didn't wear a sonic resit item either. I like to take lots and lots of damage! I also double frenzy whenever i can to take more damage faster =)

Go watch the video for reals this time and u'll see how many displacement clickies I use.


it's not a super duper achievement

tell me mr tot, what is a super duper achievement. Drinking 50 billion store bought mana pots i guess?

[Bunker]

I'm not sure what zuber means. I guess it's a good thing but I never made any claims to be anything "uber" with or without the "z". The achivement is what it is, if you think it's "zuber" thats entire in YOUR mind, it's not something I've said.

UBER =

http://advocacy.britannica.com/blog/advocacy/wp-content/uploads/copyrighthfa_hrs02.jpg

ZUBER? =

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2009/06/18/1225737/244739-zebra.jpg

OP: I too will agree that peers and thier opinions do matter, cause if they didn't, why post anything in the first place. However, if you think this was a pimp achievement, then stick with that. Why let others try to drag you down.

You also mentioned your diplomacy skill, or lack thier of. So if you know you are going to rub a few ppl the wrong way, why bother with going on the defense when you feel your achievement is being attacked. If you know your personality might bring on attacks here and there, and you dont' like em, you can always change your personality.

As for Sins Elite w/melee: /cheers *raises dirty kobold

P.S. I am curious, in your own opinion, does it matter how a solo player completes a quest on elite? What I mean is, being a BBing FvS, or a Stealth Rogue, or a "Brute Force" Melee, or a high AC Ranger/Monk make a difference. Should any one of those classes be given more respect because it is simply more difficult? Is it more difficult? And doing the same quest with an "easy button class" mean that they aren't that skilled of a player?

[totmacher]

Think I posted 5 or 25 times that I thought exactly the oposite of that.


Thanks but you say that like you have something against drinking tasty potions. Is it a crime?

And this comes from a guy who posts several achivements that you yourself claim are mainly based on your uber ability to drink potions (rememer towers and vod elite we did with that horrible pug lol). Isn't that part of the challenge of the game?

BTW I don't actually have any displacement clickies silly (well actually ofcourse I do I have nearly every shroud item clicky lol, but it's been in the bank for a year)
I also didn't wear my radiance guard cuz I hate chasing blind mobs. Oh and later on when my sonic resist ran out, I didn't wear a sonic resit item either. I like to take lots and lots of damage! I also double frenzy whenever i can to take more damage faster =)

Go watch the video for reals this time and u'll see how many displacement clickies I use.

nah i didn't watch the video, figured that's what you would have done. but yeah i mean... i know about drinking (mnemonic) pots more than anyone i'm sure lol. but i wasn't really criticising the achievement as much as saying that all classes should have some sort of self-heal component. just like clerics shouldn't have to rely on store-bought pots to get things done

[Shade]

nah i didn't watch the video, figured that's what you would have done. but yeah i mean... i know about drinking (mnemonic) pots more than anyone i'm sure lol. but i wasn't really criticising the achievement as much as saying that all classes should have some sort of self-heal component. just like clerics shouldn't have to rely on store-bought pots to get things done

barbs self heal by making the monsters dead. killcounts = howmuch the clr heals you amirite?

[Creeper]

Welcome to the Achievement Forum!

In this forum, you will be able to gather together to discuss your in-game triumphs and accomplishments.
Beat a difficult quest or raid?
Reached level cap?
Achieved a character or guild milestone?
Celebrating the hard work of your fellow players?

Use the Achievement forum to spotlight your accomplishments!

All forum guidelines apply to posts within the Achievement forum which effectively means: be polite to one another.

Additionally, to clarify what behavior is not tolerated in relation to celebrating your accomplishments please reference the following samples of different types of posts:

Sample Original Post: My guildie beat the [raid boss]
Acceptable Discussion:
Player 1: What classes did you use?
Player 2: Gratz
Player 3: What loot dropped?
Player 4: We were trying but looks like you beat us. Gratz anyway.
Unacceptable Discussion:
Player 1: Nobody cares
Player 2: quit blowing your own horn
Player 3: This guild is a bad guild and you should avoid them
Player 4: My guild could do it faster than yours
Player 5: You cheated!


From:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=128381

[totmacher]

barbs self heal by making the monsters dead. killcounts = howmuch the clr heals you amirite?

also, as for a super duper achievement, what i meant was, this seems like more of a "talk myself and my build up post" as opposed to a "i really set out to do this and i got it done". because this wasn't a "first" or anything. it's posts like the one i'm replying to why most people pidgeon hole you as argumentative as opposed to someone who completes stuff because he enjoys the challenge

[Shade]

UBER =
/

ZUBER? =

/

lol now I get it, thanks for claring that up for me. I was really confused.



OP: I too will agree that peers and thier opinions do matter, cause if they didn't, why post anything in the first place. However, if you think this was a pimp achievement, then stick with that. Why let others try to drag you down.
Don't worry, It would take more then a uber zeebra to drag me down. Maybe a Rhino? A rhuuber rhino.


You also mentioned your diplomacy skill, or lack thier of. So if you know you are going to rub a few ppl the wrong way, why bother with going on the defense when you feel your achievement is being attacked. If you know your personality might bring on attacks here and there, and you dont' like em, you can always change your personality.
It's the nature of a mmo forum. I can't fault it for being what it is.

Change my personality? haha many have tried. None have succeeded yet. Ima keep it this way.



P.S. I am curious, in your own opinion, does it matter how a solo player completes a quest on elite? What I mean is, being a BBing FvS, or a Stealth Rogue, or a "Brute Force" Melee, or a high AC Ranger/Monk make a difference. Should any one of those classes be given more respect because it is simply more difficult? Is it more difficult? And doing the same quest with an "easy button class" mean that they aren't that skilled of a player?

Thats really up to each individual player. Whatever your playstyle preference is, thats cool with me. What really counts for me each individuals players true skill as a gamer. How exactly he accomplishes one task doesn't matter so much to be as the very small things like how fast he reacts and adapts to things he never expected.

So in a way, completing a quest you done dozens of times solo can never be truely as impressive as when a group goes into a quest where they have no idea what to expect and emerges victorious there very first attempt. That's where the true skill comes out, and real legendary players shine.

I've always been more about big first time group achivement then solo ones. This is the first and perhaps the only solo achivement I will post.. As it was primarily just done in response to hundreds of threads that said:

"well yea my 190 AC sword and board melee may be a bit lower dps,, but at least I can run quests without a cleric unlike you sir shade - you can't do anything without 5 healers"

As anyone can learn a patern and follow it. Only the best can truely triumph in unexpected circumstances. It's that win or lose clutch skill that really gets me pumped in this game.

So when it comes down to simple things like completing a quest solo you've done many times before, the things I look for are the small details. For my own performance I try to see how long I can wait until I drink that first potion as it's riskier, but also means I can do more DPS before I take that -10 to stats debuff. And how well I can avoid some damage while putting out as much as I can.

In the end we as a community will decide if shadey is as bad as they say he is.

[Gol]

Somebody with an 80 AC exploiter should video soloing it just to prove a point...

[Shade]

this wasn't a "first" or anything.

It was the first completion by
A: A barbarian
B: Anyone who killed absolutely everything along the way
C: Brute force style using purely melee attacks without using stealth

I could go on. There's lots of first there.

[Shade]

Somebody with an 80 AC exploiter should video soloing it just to prove a point...
QFT.
They could prove that 80AC is worthless in that quest/difficulty if nothing else :)

[Zombiekenny]

"In the history of DDO it has only been done once by Mr Cow"

Yep, you never said it hadn't been done by people in the past. You just stated only one person had done it in the past.

[Khelden]

Wow, this topic is still going on...

Gratz Shade. Used a lot of potions? Hum, to me, even if he drinked 1000000 silverflame potion, he would still have WAY MORE pride in doing this as a barbarian than doing it with ANY other class. Maybe some did it on FvS or Clr before, but who cares seriously, grats you got your own achievement for being able to roll your face over your keyboard, but give the credit to those who chose to take the hard path.

Can't wait till they release the anti-magic zones (no spells, no buffs).

By the way, by reading this forum I came to realize that FvS and Clr are still the same joke in epic content than when I made my cleric up to lvl 6 and got bored because he could solo quests 2lvls higher naked. So I'm wondering... Is there any use to play something else than a cleric or fvs in end-game? Considering they don't even need a party to run epic stuff, what is the purpose of making anything beside these 2 class? Different gameplay? Yeah... Is it worth it? Not sure.

[grodon9999]

QFT.
They could prove that 80AC is worthless in that quest/difficulty if nothing else :)

Not true - low 70s is un-hittable to the Orthons and the Bearded-devils miss most of the time, even on elite.

[stz]

Good old norg. Always can be relied on to post something negative in something he should be happy to see. You've always been about showing that Khyber is a strong melee server and have helped prove that allot with your own acomplishments and our past group accomplishments. We beat shroud elite first because we had you and me in the group man, not because we competed with each other, but because we worked together.

I don't know why you have to make false claims and put mine down. Ultimega did it on normal in 8 minuits which is awesome (possibly the speedrun record, i dunno), post here:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206018&highlight=Sins

I don't know if tac did it or not. Quicktoe did Invasion solo allot, not sins.

because rogue forums > achievement forums :D

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2569745&postcount=44

I'd imagine Tach's sorc would be able to breeze through elite sins just as good as his fvs :).

[Shade]

because rogue forums > achievement forums :D

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2569745&postcount=44

I'd imagine Tach's sorc would be able to breeze through elite sins just as good as his fvs :).

Nice job congrats.

PS your pic don't work anymore.

[Shade]

Not true - low 70s is un-hittable to the Orthons and the Bearded-devils miss most of the time, even on elite.

oh really. Wonder why no AC builds melee'd there way thru this then since it should be easy.

[metalworker]

It was the first completion by
A: A barbarian
B: Anyone who killed absolutely everything along the way
C: Brute force style using purely melee attacks without using stealth

I could go on. There's lots of first there.

Kaelis told me to read this thread. I thought he refered to the one on the barb page, but this is hilarious. Not going to comment much but in general:

- A claim that has too many specific situations in it is in fact a weak one. Likewise an achievement with too many requirements is a weak one. E.g. Using your example, you have eliminated bulk of the competition to your title/achievement, which is fine I guess since you're trying to do that in the first place and be uncontested. But when someone does come up satisfying A,B,C, we can all imagine Shade saying/stating C1: By brute force I mean that the force that barbs wield, and no other force etc, or then delve into C1.1, C1.1.1, and eventually, we all know where this is heading to: Instead of saying it was the first completed by A,B,C, we should just say it was the first completed by Axer, because nobody else matters or will every beat Axer in Shade's mind.

It may sound far-fetched, but any given barb/fighter/DPS with enough yugo pots and geared out to the core can do this quest. It's a great achievement for a melee, but inherently boring and pointless (aka waste of resource, as many would think it is). This you cannot refute, unless the geared out toon sucks at playing (which should not be the case). I hope someone will post a video satisfying A,B,C criterias of Shade (who knows he'll change his definitions along the way as how people argue against him), and then do a unique criteria D: completing the quest without a helm! Now, that's a first achievement that no one has done before! Someone did A,B,C, but not D, so I'm the first!

Get the point as to how achievements with very narrow criterias are in fact weak achievements? Now go complete this on elite without epic gear, that is more of an achievement. That's still do-able, now let's switch that Shroud gear to Korthos Island gear, if you can finish the quest on elite, that's a better achievement. The more criteria we add, the more pointless the achievement thread becomes, especially when the user/achiever is adding criteria along the way to support his achievements and debunk others.


AxeM sums it up nicely:

I'm really confused Shade. First you tell us that Barbarians are one of the best at soloing. Then when the FVSs go this quest is easy you tell them you don't believe them. Then when presented with proof you backtrack and say that well of course it's easy for a FVS, Barbarians and brute force are a totally gimpy way of trying to get things done so I should get special grats for doing that just as if I was trying to run a marathon with only 1 leg. While that makes total sense to me and would be worth grats, I just don't see how it lines up with the initial assertion that Barbarians are a powerful solo class at end game.

I don't think you get to have it both ways, either barbarians aren't zuber and your accomplishment is, or barbarians are zuber and your accomplishment isn't. Which will it be Shade?

Regardless good job on the achievement! But I'm not impressed unless you do it without epic and Shroud gear!

[sephiroth1084]

oh really. Wonder why no AC builds melee'd there way thru this then since it should be easy.
Like I said, I'm intending to give this a shot when I'm back to paladin, but may try on this version of Ferrumrym when he gets high enough as well. My assumption is that, like the FvS, no one bothered posting about it because it wasn't all that difficult. Grazing hits would be a little bit of a problem, but I'm not thinking it'd be too bad.

[Shade]

It may sound far-fetched, but any given barb/fighter/DPS with enough yugo pots and geared out to the core can do this quest.

I see lots of words. I don't see any videos or screenshots of your "bard/fighter/DPS" doing it tho. Or any other melee for that matter.

Sounds extremely far-fetched to me.

[Shade]

Like I said, I'm intending to give this a shot when I'm back to paladin, but may try on this version of Ferrumrym when he gets high enough as well. My assumption is that, like the FvS, no one bothered posting about it because it wasn't all that difficult. Grazing hits would be a little bit of a problem, but I'm not thinking it'd be too bad.

lol.

There have been posts by AC builds doing this on normal. They thought normal was tough enough to post.

[grodon9999]

oh really. Wonder why no AC builds melee'd there way thru this then since it should be easy.

Any STR-based ranger's AC is going to likely be SELF-BUFFED in the mid 60s which isn't enough to cut it on elite, the Bearded Devils will hit you almost every shot. To get the mid-70s in a TW-Fighting pajama wearer you need a Cleric/Bard/Paladin buffs.

Kind of makes it hard to solo, doesn't mean I'm not going try (after I get some more gear). I'll ask in the Ranger forum if anyone has pulled this off.

[Tarrant]

Please keep the Achievements Forum Guidelines (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=128381) in mind, thanks.

[Gol]

oh really. Wonder why no AC builds melee'd there way thru this then since it should be easy.
That's one hell of an assumption. I know I know, screenshot or it didn't happen. Just like the 15 minute FvS run. Gotchya.

/rolleyes

[Diarden]

Wow, this topic is still going on...

Gratz Shade. Used a lot of potions? Hum, to me, even if he drinked 1000000 silverflame potion, he would still have WAY MORE pride in doing this as a barbarian than doing it with ANY other class. Maybe some did it on FvS or Clr before, but who cares seriously, grats you got your own achievement for being able to roll your face over your keyboard, but give the credit to those who chose to take the hard path.



I just found a pair of kneepads for you Khelden. I'll send them your way.

[Kaldaka]

I'm really confused Shade. First you tell us that Barbarians are one of the best at soloing. Then when the FVSs go this quest is easy you tell them you don't believe them. Then when presented with proof you backtrack and say that well of course it's easy for a FVS, Barbarians and brute force are a totally gimpy way of trying to get things done so I should get special grats for doing that just as if I was trying to run a marathon with only 1 leg. While that makes total sense to me and would be worth grats, I just don't see how it lines up with the initial assertion that Barbarians are a powerful solo class at end game.

I don't think you get to have it both ways, either barbarians aren't zuber and your accomplishment is, or barbarians are zuber and your accomplishment isn't. Which will it be Shade?

Yeah kinda wondering why we haven't heard a response from this quote except the last sentence ... The confusing part is when he backtracks he says that his FvS did do it in the past after saying that no one but MrCow did it :confused:


Please keep the Achievements Forum Guidelines (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=128381) in mind, thanks.

But nevermind ... nothing to see here, move along folks

[Strakeln]

oh really. Wonder why no AC builds melee'd there way thru this then since it should be easy.


Solo'd elite on my cleric and my 13/6/1 tempest acrobat, quite a while ago though (were there any real changes though? I can't think of any). Was much easier on the cleric, just gather/BB/repeat. Took some time and potions but did it on my 1st attempt with him.

I didn't post anything because I didn't think it was a big deal - a cleric or a 13/6/1 can solo **** near anything. I do, however, think that soloing it on a barbarian is a big deal... I wouldn't even try it with mine (no silver flame pots). Congrats, nice accomplishment!

AC build, brute force. A radiance rapier cleans house.

[Shade]

AC build, brute force. A radiance rapier cleans house.

Congrats didn't see that b4.

SS, completion time?

But I don't agree using radiance rapier is brute force.

Seems like a using a finessable weapon you use either to get sneak attacks, or one to avoid damage (in which case it's not really AC helping, you, it's blindness -50% miss chance) isn't very brute force.

[kanbeki]

because rogue forums > achievement forums :D

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2569745&postcount=44

I'd imagine Tach's sorc would be able to breeze through elite sins just as good as his fvs :).

why are people talking about me...grats shade!

[Wyrmnax]

Not true - low 70s is un-hittable to the Orthons and the Bearded-devils miss most of the time, even on elite.

Glancing blow on 10+ on elite says hi.

[Gunga]

Well now, listen.

This has been one heck of a ride...I absorbed each tasty morsal of a post in this entire gourmet buffet of a thread.

Shade, congratulations on exciting yourself with that same **** build. You are quite taken with him, as you should be.

I have to say here that, about 6 months ago, my mom solo'd each of the Amrath quests on Elite using her Barbarian. She fraps'd each completion, but before she was able to post them up here on the internets, something terrible happened.

You see, Coldest, when he visits my mom, also likes to fraps his completions. And somehow, wouldn't you know it, the son-of-a-gun went and fraps'd all over my mom's previous elite completions. Well, if that didn't pepper her gumbo, she was mad as a mule chewing bumble bees. Needless to say, those videos never made it to the great achievement forums where we honor Shade today.

Now I could certainly post those videos here, but not only don't I think they are relevent to the content on these forums, I don't think they are quite as elite as Coldest would have you think.

Grats Shade. Cool vids.

[Gol]

But I don't agree using radiance rapier is brute force. He meleed every mob with no spell casting. *** isn't brute force about it?

[Judo]

He meleed every mob with no spell casting. *** isn't brute force about it?

cuz it aint SHADE force son! and if it aint shade force it aint brute force!

reco'nize!

[Zombiekenny]

He meleed every mob with no spell casting. *** isn't brute force about it?

Well, you see, he wasn't on a barbarian, so, as was pointed out by metalworker earlier in the thread:

Kaelis told me to read this thread. I thought he refered to the one on the barb page, but this is hilarious. Not going to comment much but in general:

- A claim that has too many specific situations in it is in fact a weak one. Likewise an achievement with too many requirements is a weak one. E.g. Using your example, you have eliminated bulk of the competition to your title/achievement, which is fine I guess since you're trying to do that in the first place and be uncontested. But when someone does come up satisfying A,B,C, we can all imagine Shade saying/stating C1: By brute force I mean that the force that barbs wield, and no other force etc, or then delve into C1.1, C1.1.1, and eventually, we all know where this is heading to: Instead of saying it was the first completed by A,B,C, we should just say it was the first completed by Axer, because nobody else matters or will every beat Axer in Shade's mind.

It may sound far-fetched, but any given barb/fighter/DPS with enough yugo pots and geared out to the core can do this quest. It's a great achievement for a melee, but inherently boring and pointless (aka waste of resource, as many would think it is). This you cannot refute, unless the geared out toon sucks at playing (which should not be the case). I hope someone will post a video satisfying A,B,C criterias of Shade (who knows he'll change his definitions along the way as how people argue against him), and then do a unique criteria D: completing the quest without a helm! Now, that's a first achievement that no one has done before! Someone did A,B,C, but not D, so I'm the first!

Get the point as to how achievements with very narrow criterias are in fact weak achievements? Now go complete this on elite without epic gear, that is more of an achievement. That's still do-able, now let's switch that Shroud gear to Korthos Island gear, if you can finish the quest on elite, that's a better achievement. The more criteria we add, the more pointless the achievement thread becomes, especially when the user/achiever is adding criteria along the way to support his achievements and debunk others.

As we can see, using something that isn't a barbarian isn't truly brute force.

[grodon9999]

Glancing blow on 10+ on elite says hi.

Stoneskin clickies from multiple Min II says :P

The orthons will flat out miss, they must have +20 power attack or something. Bearded Devils will get grazes though which were a pain in the balls when i did this for favor.

Everything aside, who was first doesn't matter soloing this quest on elite with any melee is a worthy accomplishment.

[Delacroix21]

Video please. :) I'd believe thats something you could maybe do.. But anyone else.. Mmm. No.




This is done EASILY by myself and plenty of monks on my server, though I always kill the tiefling boss (and do it on norm) as I have never purposely tried to make the run harder on myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2vlz5trENM&feature=related


Like the video I use a disrupter on the 2 blue flame guys, though I have NO IDEA why the video creator uses a quarterstaff over a handwrap for disruption (which I do). Using a resist cold 20 pot will save allot of health here to. I noticed you didnt use either.


When I run this I essentially=
1. fight all the tieflings in the begining all the way to the table.
2. Take the book and kill the devils (halfling AC monk with dragonmarks)
3. Invis clicky, jump clicky, shadow walk, run and jump
4. Only stop to fight (a few) mobs right before the last blue flame guy, and when opening the door to the switch room (with the 2 people tied to the lever)


10min runs... easy as pie! Never tried elite, though my run would be exactly the same. Only concern would be the few ties I fight being a bit tougher. I probably wont try it though, as there is no real benefit in it for me over a normal run, as I only run this for the end reward for a random handwrap. Dont ask for a video, I dont know how to make one.;)

[Creeper]

This is done EASILY by myself and plenty of monks on my server, though I always kill the tiefling boss (and do it on norm) as I have never purposely tried to make the run harder on myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2vlz5trENM&feature=related



Did you know that the video you posted was on normal?

[Zombiekenny]

This is done EASILY by myself and plenty of monks on my server, though I always kill the tiefling boss (and do it on norm) as I have never purposely tried to make the run harder on myself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2vlz5trENM&feature=related


Like the video I use a disrupter on the 2 blue flame guys, though I have NO IDEA why the video creator uses a quarterstaff over a handwrap for disruption (which I do). Using a resist cold 20 pot will save allot of health here to. I noticed you didnt use either.


When I run this I essentially=
1. fight all the tieflings in the begining all the way to the table.
2. Take the book and kill the devils (halfling AC monk with dragonmarks)
3. Invis clicky, jump clicky, shadow walk, run and jump
4. Only stop to fight (a few) mobs right before the last blue flame guy, and when opening the door to the switch room (with the 2 people tied to the lever)


10min runs... easy as pie! Never tried elite, though my run would be exactly the same. Only concern would be the few ties I fight being a bit tougher. I probably wont try it though, as there is no real benefit in it for me over a normal run, as I only run this for the end reward for a random handwrap. Dont ask for a video, I dont know how to make one.;)
I know exactly what Shade is going to say about this post, and annoyingly, I'm going to have to agree with him probably.

[Gol]

This is done EASILY by myself and plenty of monks on my server, though I always kill the tiefling boss (and do it on norm) as I have never purposely tried to make the run harder on myself.Let's not compare Normal solo (which is scaled down from full group Normal) to Elite solo. Kthxbye.

[Strakeln]

Congrats didn't see that b4.

SS, completion time?

But I don't agree using radiance rapier is brute force.

Seems like a using a finessable weapon you use either to get sneak attacks, or one to avoid damage (in which case it's not really AC helping, you, it's blindness -50% miss chance) isn't very brute force.
SS is somewhere, not worth finding unless someone really gets a stick in their craw about it. Completion times for both (cleric or 13/6/1) were not small or impressive by any means.

I must not understand the "brute force" portion, I assumed you meant "melee, not magic or missiles or sneaking". What I was trying to say was that I used melee throughout, and killed all mobs I encountered - obviously, with 13 levels of rogue, I was using the rapier for sneak attacks.

[metalworker]

Well, you see, he wasn't on a barbarian, so, as was pointed out by metalworker earlier in the thread:


As we can see, using something that isn't a barbarian isn't truly brute force.


/signed

You know what's brute force eventually by his definition? Gol mentioned brute force = DPS without casting spells or running, which many people can do for this quest elite with SF pots.


But for shade, even though he doesn't realize, brute force = barb way, since how can the exploiter solo this quest without a high AC, or radiance build do it without radiance/sneak attack? To him, these are not viable choices, the only choice is to smack on huge dps and cut your way through. That is brute force. But let me tell you, I think any general attacking without using spells/invisibility is brute force enough for me. By saying that the radiance is discounted off brute force just shuts him out of competition from a bunch of viable builds, and my previous statement that is discounted by him as well "Any /barb/DPS/fighter/ geared out can do this on elite with SF pots". This is a true statement and any given dumb person knows this is true. There's nothing to be proud about killing 'elite' quests when you have epic gear. It's like saying I can beat elite korthos with a maelstrom and 36pt build. These elite quests weren't made with epic gear in consideration. So like I said, cool video, good achievement, but nothing spetacular. Maybe the only thing spetacular is that shade actually took the time and resource to post this video up and spetacularly made claims that no other melees has done it, and when people suggest possibilities or raise completions, he totally discounts them.

Lets just ask DDO to kill all classes and keep barbs in the game, since he has shown how awesome the barb class is, and that every other class is a whimpy no DPS, non-viable non-self-sufficient class.

[grodon9999]

I know exactly what Shade is going to say about this post, and annoyingly, I'm going to have to agree with him probably.

Me as well, on elite that monk would have died as soon as he picked up the book.

[Creeper]

"Any /barb/DPS/fighter/ geared out can do this on elite with SF pots". This is a true statement and any given dumb person knows this is true. There's nothing to be proud about killing 'elite' quests when you have epic gear. It's like saying I can beat elite korthos with a maelstrom and 36pt build.

It's also a statement that violates the terms set forth in Tolero's sticky, which both Tarrant and myself have linked for you within this thread.

[kaelis]

It's also a statement that violates the terms set forth in Tolero's sticky, which both Tarrant and myself have linked for you within this thread.

:rolleyes: taddle tale.

[Wyrmnax]

Everything aside, who was first doesn't matter soloing this quest on elite with any melee is a worthy accomplishment.

Agreed.

[Shade]

which many people can do for this quest elite with SF pots..

Seems to me every single other completion posted was not done on a character that uses silver flame potions.

The very idea that there are even "many" characters that can make use of them seems a bit far fetched to me. It's actually easier said then done to build a character that can perform well under the influence of -10 to all you stats.

A quick glance at my.ddo shows 99% of the ppl who posted here, that have DPS melee builds, have several stats under the 11 range.. Which would present a major problem.

[sephiroth1084]

lol.

There have been posts by AC builds doing this on normal. They thought normal was tough enough to post.
That's foolish. I ran through the beginning part of the quest on normal to catch up to my FvS pal who had been soloing it, dealing with all of the spawns that activate between the start and the first boss room, and I had hardly bothered with buffs and was in PA mode, rather than CE. Dungeon scaling would have made it more difficult than solo since there were two people inside.

Normal is a complete joke for an AC tank--I was running until I got slowed down from DA (since both he and I were aggroing things), and only then would I stop to deal with stuff, and my tank is no speedster. The only thing I'll concede about an AC tank solo through Sins is that it would probably be kind of slow.

[macros123]

Seems to me every single other completion posted was not done on a character that uses silver flame potions.

The very idea that there are even "many" characters that can make use of them seems a bit far fetched to me. It's actually easier said then done to build a character that can perform well under the influence of -10 to all you stats.

A quick glance at my.ddo shows 99% of the ppl who posted here, that have DPS melee builds, have several stats under the 11 range.. Which would present a major problem.

I call shenanigans. There is chance zero you actually looked up 100+ characters on MYDDO for the purposes of this thread. Another small knock to your credibility, imo.

[Shade]

I call shenanigans. There is chance zero you actually looked up 100+ characters on MYDDO for the purposes of this thread. Another small knock to your credibility, imo.

What did you not get by "a quick glance"

Ofcourse I didn't do that. Whatever assumption you made that I even infered that I meant that is just that, an assumption.

I looked at a few and made a broad statement based on a smaller set of results. That could be right or it completely wrong..

But based on my several years of expieriance in the game I'm quite willing to bet it is fairly accurate.

As most DPS melee builds dump either int or cha, if not both. And most do not wear a int or cha item.
As such the scores are generally in the 6-10 range (8+2 tome being the highest common amount)
For anyone to get 11 without an item, youd need either a 3 tome, or a +2 tome and, littany of the dead. Not exactly common gear. Now consider you need that for several stats.

There certainly are other ways around that like wearing an item(s).. But every non-ideal item you wear makes it that much harder to keep your character strong enough to do well in a difficult elite quest.

[Gunga]

Seems to me every single other completion posted was not done on a character that uses silver flame potions.

The very idea that there are even "many" characters that can make use of them seems a bit far fetched to me. It's actually easier said then done to build a character that can perform well under the influence of -10 to all you stats.

A quick glance at my.ddo shows 99% of the ppl who posted here, that have DPS melee builds, have several stats under the 11 range.. Which would present a major problem.

Meh.

I don't think you realize how many great players are out here champ.

[Shade]

Meh.

I don't think you realize how many great players are out here champ.

Correct.

DDO has millions of players. I won't pretend to have even the slightless clue exactly how many of them are "great" I don't imagine you'd make such a grand claim either.

All we can know is our own server, and perhaps judge a little bit from achivements and videos.. But in the end the only fair way to judge is to play with said player and really to get to know his or her true skill.

[smatt]

/signed

You know what's brute force eventually by his definition? Gol mentioned brute force = DPS without casting spells or running, which many people can do for this quest elite with SF pots.


But for shade, even though he doesn't realize, brute force = barb way, since how can the exploiter solo this quest without a high AC, or radiance build do it without radiance/sneak attack? To him, these are not viable choices, the only choice is to smack on huge dps and cut your way through. That is brute force. But let me tell you, I think any general attacking without using spells/invisibility is brute force enough for me. By saying that the radiance is discounted off brute force just shuts him out of competition from a bunch of viable builds, and my previous statement that is discounted by him as well "Any /barb/DPS/fighter/ geared out can do this on elite with SF pots". This is a true statement and any given dumb person knows this is true. There's nothing to be proud about killing 'elite' quests when you have epic gear. It's like saying I can beat elite korthos with a maelstrom and 36pt build. These elite quests weren't made with epic gear in consideration. So like I said, cool video, good achievement, but nothing spetacular. Maybe the only thing spetacular is that shade actually took the time and resource to post this video up and spetacularly made claims that no other melees has done it, and when people suggest possibilities or raise completions, he totally discounts them.

Lets just ask DDO to kill all classes and keep barbs in the game, since he has shown how awesome the barb class is, and that every other class is a whimpy no DPS, non-viable non-self-sufficient class.

Meh, Shade is a one trick pony... Hey, he's a good player..... But he has no imagination..... "Me hit things" is about it..... That's cool, it's his game when he's playing.... He does do some good and informative posts on the forums at times. That is when he finds time away from his Shade appreciation shrine he has in his room.

As far as how hard or easy it is to solo Sins Elite, I'd say it's pretty hard even on a tricked out epic gear toon. I'm sure there are some out there on each server that could do it. But not everybody, and not likely A LOT..... Not by any stretch...... It's hard enough on a reasonably tricked out cleric or FvS.... I do it, although, I don't go out of my way.. Iv'e done it 10 or maybe 12 times when I'm really bored,s ometimes I fail miserably... Other times it goes perfectly... It's more about how much lag there is than anything though. A melee would be much harder I would say... It is an accomplishment to do it... No doubt about.. But most people don't care enough, or don't bother to post on the forums.

Despite the lack of "Proof" :rolleyes: There are a rather few Cleric/FvS that have been soling it on Ghallandra for a long time now though... And I believe "The Great One" :rolleyes: Jaerlach (Junts) soloed elite on his Pali about 5 months ago...

Still an accomplishment though.....

[Raegoul]

Shade presses 'Awesome Button'.

Shade fails to be awesome.

Shade did not do anything significant is the reason given.

Other people prove they did not do anything siginificant either.

Hi welcome

[Khellendros13]

Normal is almost a joke on my Wizard, when he was max str melee or max int caster. I had mor efun as max str but no way I was gonna get into Epic quests like that.

Elite I have duo'd but solo I have tried 2 times only. Both times I get impatient and pull 2 spawns of mobs instead of one and die from a combo of lag and too much incoming damage. 100% I can do it if I am not trying to zerg. Just takes so **** long to melee that fat orthon on elite. Will try again.

I can only imagine how easy most quests would be to solo for a fvs...bb, hit feathers, bb, hit feathers, heal, bb, hit feathers. zzzzzz.

[Logic]

Hey I watched Shade's video and I think its pretty cool. I can't solo elite sins with my melee characters (yet :P)

And this thread is 9 pages deep of people saying how easy this is. But the funny thing is that I haven't seen one other screenshot of a character brute force soloing sins on elite.

So grats Shade, you have the right to be arrogent!

[Gunga]

Correct.

DDO has millions of players. I won't pretend to have even the slightless clue exactly how many of them are "great" I don't imagine you'd make such a grand claim either.

All we can know is our own server, and perhaps judge a little bit from achivements and videos.. But in the end the only fair way to judge is to play with said player and really to get to know his or her true skill.

Actually, I've played on many servers, so I might be more qualified to make that judgement than, say, you.

[Shade]

Actually, I've played on many servers, so I might be more qualified to make that judgement than, say, you.

Congrats on being more qualified.

[Judo]

mine is sooooo much bigger...then both of yours

[kanbeki]

troll a thread, make 10 posts in a row. You couldn't have summed that up all in one post?

[blitzschlag]

pleas stop bumping this.

its just a bragging thread for shade's newbie fanclub that wet theirselves on 700 crits.

[grodon9999]

troll a thread, make 10 posts in a row. You couldn't have summed that up all in one post?

Shhhsssshhh!!! This is just getting good! :)

[grodon9999]

make it a trio for the win...ac fighter


http://www.bobhoffman.com/soloToD.jpg

What was your AC and DR at the time? My exploiter has tanked the Judge before with a raid-buffed AC of 76 but my only DR being Stoneskin. Still took enough of a beating that I needed at least a bard looking after my health.

[Emili]

Very nice Axer... very commendable and great playing skills. Which we all already knew you had.

[SquelchHU]

well Now, Listen.

This Has Been One Heck Of A Ride...i Absorbed Each Tasty Morsal Of A Post In This Entire Gourmet Buffet Of A Thread.

Shade, Congratulations On Exciting Yourself With That Same **** Build. You Are Quite Taken With Him, As You Should Be.

I Have To Say Here That, About 6 Months Ago, My Mom Solo'd Each Of The Amrath Quests On Elite Using Her Barbarian. She Fraps'd Each Completion, But Before She Was Able To Post Them Up Here On The Internets, Something Terrible Happened.

You See, Coldest, When He Visits My Mom, Also Likes To Fraps His Completions. And Somehow, Wouldn't You Know It, The Son-of-a-gun Went And Fraps'd All Over My Mom's Previous Elite Completions. Well, If That Didn't Pepper Her Gumbo, She Was Mad As A Mule Chewing Bumble Bees. Needless To Say, Those Videos Never Made It To The Great Achievement Forums Where We Honor Shade Today.

Now I Could Certainly Post Those Videos Here, But Not Only Don't I Think They Are Relevent To The Content On These Forums, I Don't Think They Are Quite As Elite As Coldest Would Have You Think.

Grats Shade. Cool Vids.

Lol!

[Shade]

Very nice Axer... very commendable and great playing skills. Which we all already knew you had.




Thanks.

More videos and part3 coming soon.

[davidcampa]

On a serious note, I find for some reason the cinderspawn rarely makes a save against disruption on elite, but can take forever on casual or norm...its like reverse.

Usually one or two swings of a disruptor and he is dead...You knew that right?


I Love your YouTube Videos. This Quest is a joke on Normal With an AC build, I rarely use displacement soloing cept maybee on elete, but not usually as I can scroll heal if needed. and I prefer grouping unless farming chests.

On Normal I will Gather em up and Beat em down while wearing My 5 Guard set.

AC is no joke even though everyone says it is (Cept On Epic), Cannons videos prove it and I added some of mine.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=244755

OH I do want one of those Epic SOS on my fighter looks like a blast

[Shade]

AC is no joke even though everyone says it is (Cept On Epic), Cannons videos prove it and I added some of mine.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=244755

Do you have any videos of you doing this quest on elite on your ac character?

The one linked doesn't prove much of anything. Nothing is killed, no swings are even taken, the users armor class is not displayed, nor is the quests difficulty setting.

Even if one was to have a character with enough ac to get only hit on a 20.. You'd still need enough self healing to handle the grazing hits, and enough melee strength to complete the quest in a reasonable amount of time before you get tired..
Tho I guess you could theoretically take breaks between and complete the quest in a few hours.

[-Satureon-]

Gratz Shade, very nice, and you gave me inspiration to take barbarian TR too on my focused main on the long way when got most of gear for that.;)

[Jay203]

Very nice Axer... very commendable and great playing skills. Which we all already knew you had.




i'll have to agree with Emi on this one
Shade's a good player, just a bit hotheaded :p:p:p:p
gj nevertheless tho, next up, naked fist fighting thru the quest on elite! :D:D:D:D


and for all others who say it's easy solo'ing the quest, try doing it on a melee with no spells. that's right, none of that BB kiting bs


PS: anyone that's comparing this accomplishment to that of a FvS or any caster at all should leave this post, as you guys are missing the point of this achievement >_> SOLO'ING AS A MELEE

[MrWizard]

I think what gets people are these comments which ring a bit hollow and are not quite true or 'to in your face' for people who do this all the time.

I think he is completely joshing everyone as a joke by his comments below.

ALthough, it is a very clear and crisp video...wonder what the actual specs and settings were for that on fraps and ddo...


its not that he did not do a good job on the barb solo, he did. I know a lot of barbs who want to do it now to see if they can. Perhaps he should have went with 'first barb' so only they would get mad...lol

But as it is, he did not say that. Which is why I think he is just pulling our legs with the whole post and just laughing at us getting upset...lol



Shade


Figured I'd prove that wrong by completing one of the most difficult quess to heal through in the game, without a healer.



Reall'y can't agree with that at all. You ever tried to solo sins elite?

In the history of DDO it's only been done once before by MrCow, who did is steath style avoiding all encounters.


While a new invasion elite has been solo'd a few times, often by clerics and favored souls simply running to the end not really killing anything besides the required encounters with blade barrier at each hole, several did it in my guild who didn't even bother to post it as it's not a big deal..
As for the encounters they are small and easy along the way. In sins every single encounter is extremely hard, making running through just about impossible. You either kill through, or stealth through, theres no run option here.

Mr cow says people do run through it...yet shade replies

Video please. I'd believe thats something you could maybe do.. But anyone else.. Mmm. No.

Teth says it is a joke and does it on his FvS all the time and shade says

Screenshot or it didn't happen.
Really, there are zero fvs/clr post soloing this quest on elite on the forums. So I really don't believe you've ever done it. Much less in 15minuits.
There aren't many harder quests in the game on elite.. So what you call a "joke" really doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps you think all of DDO is a joke.

after more posts about not believing teth, teth tells of having 4 people sit at the front while he solos the dungeon, shade replies

Nothing failed here. I said I never beleived he solo'd the quest. It doesn't count as solo if there 4 other people in the quest.

And while im sure a few clr/fvs solo'd the quest as a SS was already posted, I still don't believe his 15 min completion time comment.




and it goes on.
I think he is just joshing with everyone. He has been playing long enough to know a cadre of people solo this all the time at all difficulty levels...its fun.


but things like this he says are untrue and just in your face to all the people who can and do solo this elite

I claimed this as the first brute force melee completion (and only other melee completion being by MrCows Monk who did it stealth style. These claims are stil true and no one has has tried to claim otherwise.


and proof he may just be joshing all of us and stirring us up is this post..

And congrats to all the favored souls that did it AFTER me. No you can not claim to have done it before without ever posting a screenshot. And yes I believe you've done it a long time ago, but I won't accept the claim. I don't imagine you care either, else you would of posted it.


of course how many times did he try before he completed?

In an earlier failed run I agro'd about 20-30 at once by mistake. I actually survived until only a few were left then died as I kept hitting the potion key not realising it was depleted.. Might have to upload that failed segment for fun.


but it is cheating to use traps or vorpals....but not epic swords of shadows, solid fog clickies, summoned monsters, and who knows what else..as per this post

Not necessarily, it depends on how you fight. Especially not if you use heavy stealth, vorpals or other tricks like killing the mobs with the traps. Brute force is just straight up melee combat, where the most of the damage/killing comes from physical attacks, not magical effects

and then he calms it down a it

It was the first completion by
A: A barbarian
B: Anyone who killed absolutely everything along the way
C: Brute force style using purely melee attacks without using stealth

I could go on. There's lots of first there.

which did not go over well.....EXCEPT....I have not seen a barbarian toon say they had done it before...so 'A' may be an accomplishment, but the rest is just not true. For starters, he said he only hit one room of six, leaving 5 full corridors untouched thus not killing everything. Then some odd description of a new special undefined style of 'brute force' using 'purely melee attacks'.


Seeing the thread slows down, he zings this out...knowing full well AC toons do this all the time..and it worked, it garnered some posts.

oh really. Wonder why no AC builds melee'd there way thru this then since it should be easy.


Now he defines brute force melee to exclude certain weapons..but using a fog clickie or summoned mob is okay...I think.

But I don't agree using radiance rapier is brute force.

Seems like a using a finessable weapon you use either to get sneak attacks, or one to avoid damage (in which case it's not really AC helping, you, it's blindness -50% miss chance) isn't very brute force.


when going on about silver flame pots and AC toons he says they could not use them as too many dump stats will be under 11..


As most DPS melee builds dump either int or cha, if not both. And most do not wear a int or cha item.

(someone could mention though, that an AC toon only dumps wis, the rest are over 20. A cheap wis bonus on an item helps, my AC toon took a +3 tome and have 11)
AC toons do not really need silver flame though, so they probably do not care about them.



Shade, many people cannot really make videos. I could only start last month with a new computer and still learning (the ones I posted were tests).
And as you said with the new invasion and other quests 'easy so no one posts about it' so it is with this one man.

However, it would be cool to do a full naked sins elite run with a group...no DT, no epic....poor healer.

[Judo]

oh ffs, dont your realize you only edify him when you post this?

just let it go, its a friggin' game mate, why would you let yourself

be compared to a barb? By posting this, you have consented to

his game, as defined by him, on his soil, outside his castle, downslope,

in the rain, with your supply line cut off

[grodon9999]

Love it or hate it, you have to admit that Shade's video are a hell of a lot of fun to watch.

[Creeper]

Has anyone posted an elite sins video with an AC build yet?

[Creeper]

no, but enough of them run it you could probably jump in a group and watch...its all fun.
I'll try to post one next week. It does take longer without vorpals and epic gear though, and going through all the rooms and not skipping everything.


Who are the enough of them you are speaking of? I don't know any AC builds who solo this on elite and am afraid that if I jumped into a group soloing it on elite it would be an inaccurate comparison of a single person, like Shade, soloing it on elite. So I am left to depend on you guys.

That’s what I want to see this for is comparison. For 10 pages people have been posting about how simple it is with an AC build but somehow no one has posted a video yet. Just an unfortunate coincidence so far, but I really do look forward to seeing the video you post.

[Gunga]

For 10 pages people have been posting about how simple it is with an AC build but somehow no one has posted a video yet.

No kidding.

You might not like the greasy pirate persona, but, you gotta admit, the videos are inspiring.

Speaking of which, who wants to see a video of a midget who can't hit anything not getting hit by anything?

BOOOOO.

Boring.

[maddmatt70]

Who are the enough of them you are speaking of? I don't know any AC builds who solo this on elite and am afraid that if I jumped into a group soloing it on elite it would be an inaccurate comparison of a single person, like Shade, soloing it on elite. So I am left to depend on you guys.

That’s what I want to see this for is comparison. For 10 pages people have been posting about how simple it is with an AC build but somehow no one has posted a video yet. Just an unfortunate coincidence so far, but I really do look forward to seeing the video you post.

Why the heck do you need a video anyway seems like a waste of time and energy to make one. If you have run a high ac guy in that quest on elite at all you know its more then possible.

[HeavenlyCloud]

Hi Gunga.

[Gunga]

Why the heck do you need a video anyway seems like a waste of time and energy to make one.

Especially if you don't feel the need to be accountable for anything you say, unlike the OP who can prove his claim in a well documented and entertaining way.

AC FTW!

SWING and a miss.

EDIT>> Hello, Your Blahness. Your old sig was sooo much better.

[maddmatt70]

Especially if you don't feel the need to be accountable for anything you say, unlike the OP who can prove his claim in a well documented and entertaining way.

AC FTW!

SWING and a miss.


Lol so you have not run an ac character in there and as such have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for playin'.

[Gunga]

Lol so you have not run an ac character in there and as such have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for playin'.

Lol keep making claims without support.

Thanks for tryin' to play.

[HeavenlyCloud]

EDIT>> Hello, Your Blahness. Your old sig was sooo much better.

I don't remember which sig :D pm/post the details.

[Creeper]

Why the heck do you need a video anyway seems like a waste of time and energy to make one.

Making Video: Waste of time and energy.

Posting what is essentially 10 pages of negativity toward the OP: _____________

[Gunga]

Making Video: Waste of time and energy.

Posting what is essentially 10 pages of negativity toward the OP: _____________

Priceless?

[Creeper]

I know an AC melee build can do it folks.
I just wanna see the time/resources used in comparison to Shade's video.
And, forgive me, but I think that among all the words and claims that have been typed it’s about time someone posted one.

[Creeper]

Priceless?

Worthless?

[Gunga]

Worthless?

Ah, c'mon.

The last ten pages haven't been necessary, but they sure were entertaining. :D

[sephiroth1084]

I know an AC melee build can do it folks.
I just wanna see the time/resources used in comparison to Shade's video.
And, forgive me, but I think that among all the words and claims that have been typed it’s about time someone posted one.
While I can't give specifics, Junts mentioned that he'd solo'ed Sins on elite back in October:


Easily; the character's soloed sins of attrition elite and bastion of power on hard, among other things, and is rarely even below half sp.

The off-handed nature of the comment suggests that it wasn't a matter of bragging, and Junts is pretty reliable when it comes to this sort of thing. It should be noted that on the character he was talking about, he has basically no AC:

[quote=Junts;2449220]

This charcter lives to get hit, can heal itself forever, and does a ton of damage back when it's struck. This is a guard barb that, instead of using DR, just heals itself forever. Between quickened self-heals for 140-170 points and scroll use, it can pretty much go on forever, and while it's getting hp back it's also doing some pretty substantial guard DPS.

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2449220&postcount=1

That seems pretty compelling, Shade. Not belittling your achievement, just your attitude in presenting and discussing it.

[Shade]

That seems pretty compelling

Not to me. Offhand remarks in some random build don't compel me. You as a big fan of a broken game system may be intrigue and want to believe it. Me I think he was simply a typo in the comment and did some other quest on elite or simply typo'd the difficulty.

It's not like Junts' is'nt the type of guy to post his achivements. He has a ton of posts in his forum with them, infact here is his one on hard - probably what he meant in what you quoted:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=199355

So think what you want of my attitude but I think the OP is a perfectly fair presentation.

[sephiroth1084]

Not to me. Offhand remarks in some random build don't compel me. You as a big fan of a broken game system may be intrigue and want to believe it. Me I think he was simply a typo in the comment and did some other quest on elite or simply typo'd the difficulty.

It's not like Junts' is'nt the type of guy to post his achivements. He has a ton of posts in his forum with them, infact here is his one on hard - probably what he meant in what you quoted:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=199355

So think what you want of my attitude but I think the OP is a perfectly fair presentation.
/shrug

I don't think he made a typo, but it's possible. The post was a month after the one you linked, and he had acquired more epic gear in that span, so he may have accomplished the feat in the intervening period. In any case, it's not my build, character or achievement (yet), so I'm not going to argue about it further; I had simply come across that bit while answering someone's question regarding the build and felt that it was relevant.

What broken game system are you implying I'm a fan of exactly?

And don't get me wrong, I was duly impressed with your feat, as I consider barbarians to be incredibly tough to solo with, though I'm still working mine up and haven't the gear or depth of experience to form a full picture, but that you were so dismissive of any possibility of anyone else having solo'ed the quest, and then only grudgingly accepting of the fact that Favored Souls can manage it without much difficulty, and continue to refuse to accept that other melees are capable of doing so is irritating, to say the least.

Your posts are usually helpful and informative, and I like running with you most of the time, but then there are instances where your ego or narcissism just gets in the way. That's what everyone was annoyed about in this thread, and that is what inspired the multitude of naysayers and folks belittling the achievement. How you approach the world is how the world will approach you.

[die]

i dont think anyone posted as it has been done so much.

For me, doing elite is about loot...we do it enough, who cares?

hey cannon thanks for that short man reaver last night, even tho i was only 14 :).....peace"kahzadoom"

[Creeper]

While I can't give specifics, Junts mentioned that he'd solo'ed Sins on elite back in October:

Easily; the character's soloed sins of attrition elite and bastion of power on hard, among other things, and is rarely even below half sp.

The off-handed nature of the comment suggests that it wasn't a matter of bragging, and Junts is pretty reliable when it comes to this sort of thing. It should be noted that on the character he was talking about, he has basically no AC:


That's cool but if the build has no AC then why are you replying to my comment about an AC build solo video? (which, I just want to remind everyone, still, no one has posted an AC build soloing this quest on elite. Can't wait to see one—then we can really do some serious typing about the whole subject!!!)

[sephiroth1084]

That's cool but if the build has no AC then why are you replying to my comment about an AC build solo video? (which, I just want to remind everyone, still, no one has posted an AC build soloing this quest on elite. Can't wait to see one—then we can really do some serious typing about the whole subject!!!)
Because I hadn't realized when I started quoting that Junts had eschewed AC entirely on that character? :rolleyes: I don't read the Aryenne thread much, as I'm not too keen on the monk-splashed paladin, and assumed that it was splashed for AC, feats and Evasion, but as I was finishing the pasting job, I noticed that he had no AC. Must have been too tired to realize that I was working against the beginning of the post.

[Shade]

capable of doing so is irritating, to say the least.
Then be irritated. Because A) I've never made such a claim that no one is "capable" I simply said no one has done it before me, and that remain true, and B) to me, to try to claim something that you have no proof of what so ever continuously in my achivement thread for the sole puprose of putting down my achivement is irritating.
And I will remind you that is it also against the forum rules.

[Murderface]

Then be irritated. Because A) I've never made such a claim that no one is "capable" I simply said no one has done it before me, and that remain true, and B) to me, to try to claim something that you have no proof of what so ever continuously in my achivement thread for the sole puprose of putting down my achivement is irritating.
And I will remind you that is it also against the forum rules.
I really doubt any non umd melee can solo this quest even my own barb. i dont have the silver flame favor and not exactly keen on soloing but this an acomplishment for someone who cant even scroll heal/reconstruct themselves.
no ac no dragonmark healing no umd congrats shade. other people please post your sins elite with a non umd non self sufficient class like barb

[sephiroth1084]

Then be irritated. Because A) I've never made such a claim that no one is "capable" I simply said no one has done it before me, and that remain true, and
/shrug
You said that no one had done it before you, refused to believe anyone who claimed to have done so, and then, upon evidence of such, you claimed that no one but Favored Souls had done so. Honestly, I don't care that much. I'll try it on my tank's fighter life when he's gained another 6 levels (12 now), 8 levels, and then again on his next life as a paladin at level 18 and again at 20. If I succeed, I'll post a screenshot. If I fail, I'll come and leave you a cookie. How does that sound? That's potentially four cookies. :p



And I will remind you that is it also against the forum rules.
/shrug
Is it? I find it incredible that I have yet to receive any infraction points during my posting history to date. If it will make you feel better, you can report me or whatever.

In any case, I still applaud your success here, and especially that you captured it on video.

[akiraproject24]

there is an old saying that goes if you argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you at their own game...nobody that posts on the DDO forums is an idiot.. however...this saying may be good to keep in mind!

[sephiroth1084]

there is an old saying that goes if you argue with an idiot, they will bring you down to their level and beat you at their own game...nobody that posts on the DDO forums is an idiot.. however...this saying may be good to keep in mind!
What a load of horse****. There are plenty of idiots that post on these forums. No need to pussyfoot around that fact. :)

[Progen]

/shrug
Is it? I find it incredible that I have yet to receive any infraction points during my posting history to date. If it will make you feel better, you can report me or whatever.


Does it have to be against the rules (and it is, as you can plainly read and has even been quoted on this very thread before) to be something you shouldn't do? There's no need to tear down other peoples achievements for whatever reason.

[Alintalkin]

That's cool but if the build has no AC then why are you replying to my comment about an AC build solo video? (which, I just want to remind everyone, still, no one has posted an AC build soloing this quest on elite. Can't wait to see one—then we can really do some serious typing about the whole subject!!!)

*cough * http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=244755 *cough*
not meaning to be rude but the fact that you posted in that thread a day before you posted the above post is kinda funny (and yes if you look at the first picture, she is doing it on elite, and though he/she didn't post a pick with a completion persay the video they put in showed that the enemies could barely hit them so I kinda doubt that they didn't complete ;) )

Edit: Btw, awesome achievement Shade

[sephiroth1084]

Does it have to be against the rules (and it is, as you can plainly read and has even been quoted on this very thread before) to be something you shouldn't do? There's no need to tear down other peoples achievements for whatever reason.
There's a level of bragging that I don't mind, and there's a level beyond that that I do, but I wouldn't cite that as cause for disparaging someone's achievement; however, when others chime in to say that they've done it, or that it's doable otherwise, how they get dealt with can justify, to my mind, giving someone a hard time, even while appreciating their accomplishment.

If Shade had said, "Really? FvS are kicking ass in there, huh? I'd like to see a post about that," instead of refusing to even entertain the possibility of such being doable and dismissing any mention of other successes in this vein, then the response he would have gotten could have been much different. Then to go on to claim, as he often does, that AC is meaningless and that there is no way an AC-based character could accomplish the same...well, then I see it as asking for some hostility from others.

Think about sports: if someone breaks a record, or does something amazing, we tend to let them brag about it a bit, but if they start going, "Yeah, everyone else are a bunch of ****ing scrubs! I'm the ****ing man and all of you can kiss my ass 'cuz you can't touch none a this!" We, as a society, tend to get kind of annoyed at them. Same thing here.

The OP and videos would have been sufficient bragging, and were fun, but after that not so much. Sure, some of the posters who came around to make claims about the ability to solo Sins on elite were a bit out of line, but the attitude they were met with escalated that interaction.

[Creeper]

*cough * http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=244755 *cough*
not meaning to be rude but the fact that you posted in that thread a day before you posted the above post is kinda funny (and yes if you look at the first picture, she is doing it on elite, and though he/she didn't post a pick with a completion persay the video they put in showed that the enemies could barely hit them so I kinda doubt that they didn't complete


Why is it funny Alintalkin?

Why don't you accuratly estimate how much time and how many resources that person used to complete the quest on elite by looking at the pics and video posted? That would be funny to me.



That's cool but if the build has no AC then why are you replying to my comment about an AC build solo video? (which, I just want to remind everyone, still, no one has posted an AC build soloing this quest on elite. Can't wait to see one—then we can really do some serious typing about the whole subject!!!)


Am I wrong? This person did not post a video or even a picture of completing this quest on elite.

A Tier 3 DoS posting 30 second video of shield blocking and not taking damage is not what I am looking for Alintalkin. Why do you think a T3 DOS would only post 30 seconds of video? (Hint: 30 seconds.) Did that really impress you, or did you just think it proved something?

[Creeper]

Think about sports: if someone breaks a record, or does something amazing, we tend to let them brag about it a bit, but if they start going, "Yeah, everyone else are a bunch of ****ing scrubs! I'm the ****ing man and all of you can kiss my ass 'cuz you can't touch none a this!" We, as a society, tend to get kind of annoyed at them. Same thing here.


What is it exactly that he said that is similar to this? Which of Shade's comments were out of line beyond bragging, to this extent?

[Inspire]

A Tier 3 DoS posting 30 second video of shield blocking and not taking damage is not what I am looking for Alintalkin. Why do you think a T3 DOS would only post 30 seconds of video? (Hint: 30 seconds.)

From 19-23s you can see that he is not blocking, and has a heal scroll in his hand. You can also tell from his buff bar that he is not in Glorious Stand.

[Creeper]

From 19-23s you can see that he is not blocking, and has a heal scroll in his hand.


I can't see this. I turned the def up all the way too. I also can't see that the quest is on elite though. Why is it then, do you think, that this person didn't include a completion or any more than 30 seconds of video?

Edit: Oh you are just talking about the 4 seconds when he used the scroll. I can see that he used one yes, so for four seconds he wasn't blocking. The question still remains is what does that prove?
AC build posts 30 seconds of not getting hit and using a heal scroll.
Shade posts a full video of the quest and of him actually killing things.
Shade uses silver flame pots instead of heal scrolls while doing what appears to be about 4x more damage on a crit than on the AC build's smite.

To me this only seems to make Shade's case against AC until we see such a build killing things and completeing quest using resources and time reasonably similar to Shade's. Right?

I am still very much looking forward to seeing a full video to use in comparison. AC vs. Pure dps. Here's your chance folks! Support your position!

[Samadhi]

Screenshot or it didn't happen.

Really, there are zero fvs/clr post soloing this quest on elite on the forums. So I really don't believe you've ever done it. Much less in 15minuits.

There aren't many harder quests in the game on elite.. So what you call a "joke" really doesn't make any sense to me. Perhaps you think all of DDO is a joke.

Just wow... seriously, I have guildies that aren't even that great of players that have solo'd Sins on E on a FvS. Maybe no one posts it, I don't know, because they didn't feel it was an accomplishment to post something done all the time? Just a thought.

Seriously though, way to take what was a cool accomplishment (IMO - not sure I could pull that off on my barb. or not) and completely destroying all your credibility again by acting like most decently equipped FvS's can't do this in their sleep.

(I have no idea timeframes involved as to the 15 min. part of that. I seem to recall having seen Bastion on E solo'd in ~20 mins by an FvS; and with less turns/levers to interfere with the need to fly I would think Sins could be done quicker.)

[Shade]

Seriously though, way to take what was a cool accomplishment (IMO - not sure I could pull that off on my barb. or not) and completely destroying all your credibility again by acting like most decently equipped FvS's can't do this in their sleep.

Misread the thread and misquote all you want, but anyone who has some basic reading comprehension isn't thinking that. I act nothing like that and infact claim the exact opposite.

You know the old saying:
Making assumptions just makes an ....

Your not including the full post in the quote. All that is was a direct reply to someone who directly trash talked my achievement. What I think of him does not represent what I think of everyone on the forums.

[Shade]

From 19-23s you can see that he is not blocking, and has a heal scroll in his hand. You can also tell from his buff bar that he is not in Glorious Stand.

I cannot see that at all.

If you shield block with a scrolll in hand, the game displays no animation. But you do get the full benefits of the DR and AC as if you were blocking without the scroll.

[Vhlad]

Why is it then, do you think, that this person didn't include a completion or any more than 30 seconds of video?
Perhaps because the free version of fraps only lets you make 30 second clips. Would you like to buy him a full version of fraps?

[Creeper]

Perhaps because the free version of fraps only lets you make 30 second clips.

How many 30 second clips does the free version allow you to make? Just one? Screenshots are still free of course—as in one showing elite completion and time taken.
While not as telling as a full video it would still prove... something? At least more than 30 seconds of misses. Agreed?



Would you like to buy him a full version of fraps?


No, not when some well timed screenshots and 30 second videos of actualy killing some things should be enough to make a somewhat accurate comparison.

Edit: Here is a free screen recorder that seems to work: http://camstudio.org/ I was able to do a video of some coin jumps. The quality sucks but you can read the log text just fine. Doesn't have to be a fraps video.

[MrWizard]

well, lets say he is the first barbarian epic geared toon to solo this on elite. He can say that for sure.

[Creeper]

well, lets say he is the first barbarian epic geared toon to solo this on elite. He can say that for sure.

Very cool, do you still plan on posting an elite video this week?

I went to your channel in your sig: http://www.youtube.com/user/DDOvideomaker
Some good quality videos. Will you use the same build for elite as you did for the normal runs?

[Inspire]

If you shield block with a scrolll in hand, the game displays no animation.

It actually shows the same animation as getting hit with a scroll equipt. So he could have not been blocking, you just can't tell either way.

[Creeper]

I just downloaded the new version and it seems to be syncing sound correctly, which is cool..
I am trying to figure out settings in ddo graphics to avoid the huge 'choppy' issues when filming.
Doing it on casual, norm, and hard you can deal with it..but red alert on elite is no time for a choppy rubberband...yikes!


No need for an exceptionally high quality video, sound, or red alert of course.


I will be posting hard...then elite.
We usually run elite for loot and although one of us starts solo, eventually by the end there are 6 for the 5 chests (why else would you do it?)

Its hard to do elite and not invite others for the chests.

If you are on thelanis, hop on in our runs, do them a lot at different difficulties.


Also, no real need to see a hard video, just elite will be enough.
I honestly can't wait to see it. :) As far as doing this in a group, that will leave us unable to gauge anything. Perhaps if you did them in a group with Shade—yes, that would also be interesting to see, a side-by-side comparison, and quite telling I think. I wish you were on the same server. In the meantime we will be forced to settle on the videos.



(here is my old hirelings thread when I wanted to save resources a few months back, if that will sate you)
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=230732

Why did you link this? There is nothing in that thread.

[Shade]

Did a 2nd run.. Ran it much faster skipping the side chests but still killing everything along the way, flawles victory and recorded the bossfight this time :)

Added video part3 and part4 to OP.
Sins Elite Part3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u0rO2cEs-E&fmt=37)
Sins Elite Part4 (boss-fight from run #2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nutELeWyo9g&fmt=37)

[Creeper]

This is a rather easy elite challenge as it is just 4 to 10 mobs that spawn. If you can do one set of mobs, you can do ALL of them in time.


So, honestly, without the forum jibe, you guys can't be serious about 'first completion'...

Although I consider shade and some other old timers on here to be some of the rudest people on the forums, I also consider that they know what they are doing and cannot be serious.
I thought at first this was a joke post, but it has gone on long enough to make me think the soda hast gone to thine heads..

I can't wait till you post that Elite video Mr. Wizard. I saw in your link that you're working on the Hard one now.

[Shade]

I can't wait till you post that Elite video Mr. Wizard. I saw in your link that you're working on the Hard one now.
If I was to bet.. I'd bet you'd might be waiting forever. Possibly even longer. Did you see how long it took him to do casual? :eek:

re: quoted post (otherwise wouldn't of seen it as hes on ignore)
Far as being serious goes.. Absolutely. And who believes it? Everyone who uses simple logic to believe video and screenshots over conjecture and hearsay.

Wizard I really have don't have to say anything about how off your remarks are. Your videos speak for themselves. Stick with casual mode.

[LawstCawz]

Honestly now, with all kidding aside, does anyone posting here really think this was the first time this quest was soloed by a melee?


Not first ever, he just said first elite, not that I believe it is the first. Noone else has actually come out and said, "I did that on elite with my melee." A bunch of people said they could do it, but alotta talk, not actual completion. Possibly Trixxie did, but so little info that the post was meaningless.




~snip~

As for DPS versus AC...No, unless you have EPIC gear and sword of shadows, there is no way to do 500-700 points a swing, to imply otherwise is just being annoying.
Most do not have a lot of festival items like shade has (which is rather impressive) like the infernal powers, good hopes, and more.


That sounds more like fb3 min2 greataxe numbers than eSOS.




This is a rather easy elite challenge as it is just 4 to 10 mobs that spawn. If you can do one set of mobs, you can do ALL of them in time.


So, honestly, without the forum jibe, you guys can't be serious about 'first completion'...

Although I consider shade and some other old timers on here to be some of the rudest people on the forums, I also consider that they know what they are doing and have some of the best knowledge and toons in the game....and cannot believe they are serious.
I thought at first this was a joke post, but it has gone on long enough to make me think the soda hast gone to thine heads..


And for loot runs, you do things for speed a bit more to get through the mobs quicker...using traps is great if you pull 2 or 3 mobs and not 1 group. Much faster.
Usually it is a good idea to go solo or with one person who can survive, clear the table, zone out and come back in to clear front.
Then you lfm for people who want in on the chests.
(if you do not go back and clear front, people will just die and you will have to go back anyway).

Why keep mentioning running SINS normal loot runs? Gettin yourself caught up on it for a while now. It's great you're working on a hard video. May as well skip to elite though. Hard is much closer to normal than it is elite.

[Creeper]

(both of my posts back then, before 20th level, show I was already doing it a lot...it was a real challenge then without any shroud crafted gear or weapons)

They don't actually MrWizard. Those posts don't show anything at all.
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=230732

Your videos do though, which I honestly do appreciate you taking the time to post.

I am sorry to say this however, frankly, I am very skeptical that you did this quest solo on elite with out any shroud crafted gear or weapons before hitting level 20. I think that you linking that post may have been a bad idea. I watched your videos and, forgive me, I think that you are lying about doing this on elite before level cap and shroud items.

You have a great chance to prove me totally wrong by posting that Elite completion video. We can all watch it and judge from the ease with which you soar through the quest if it would have been possible for your build to do it with less levels and non-green steel gear. Once you do this I will apologize for my rude skepticism.

[akiraproject24]

I cant say for certain as I dont touch that quest unless im soloin on my FVS but cannon is in vent with us and I used to give him flak about constantly doing the quest over and over...also cannon is an old returning player who came back right around the time mod 9 hit when he true rezzed cannonfodder...I cant say exactly what gear he had however...I can tell you without a doubt he was completely undergeared...another point I liked to poke fun at him about.

[grodon9999]

Honestly now, with all kidding aside, does anyone posting here really think this was the first time this quest was soloed by a melee?

It doesn't matter, it's still fun to watch.

[Gercho]

Not first ever, he just said first elite, not that I believe it is the first. Noone else has actually come out and said, "I did that on elite with my melee." A bunch of people said they could do it, but alotta talk, not actual completion. Possibly Trixxie did, but so little info that the post was meaningless.


Was checking Junts Jaerlach build (a tank paladin) that is some months old, and on his post he said that he solo sins on elite with that char, obviously that there are no screen shots or videos cause it was not an achievement post, only a build post, but i dont think Junts would brag things he cant do on his post, and i believe he did it.

I found the quote that i was looking for, and its on the thread for Aryenne (another of his chars)
Talking about Jaerlach.

Easily; the character's soloed sins of attrition elite and bastion of power on hard, among other things, and is rarely even below half sp.

He also has vile blasphemy, which helps, but I don't even always need every charge. I'll update his build thread, it hasnt been touched in a while, I'm pretty happy with his functionality.


Its worth noting I don't carry any intim based feats anymore and don't even use an intim item except as an occaisional swap; I use threat tanking for everything, and my passive intim is high enough for trash mobs.

Of course, thats not proof, but Junts reputation is more than enough to believe him i think.

[smatt]

It doesn't matter, it's still fun to watch.


Exactly, it doesn't matter...... It's still an accomplsihment.. It's a hard thing to do....

[Creeper]

Did a 2nd run.. Ran it much faster skipping the side chests but still killing everything along the way, flawles victory and recorded the bossfight this time :)

Added video part3 and part4 to OP.
Sins Elite Part3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u0rO2cEs-E&fmt=37)
Sins Elite Part4 (boss-fight from run #2) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nutELeWyo9g&fmt=37)

MrWizard has now uploaded 5/9 videos of his solo run on Hard difficulty. Once he starts his Elite video we should be able to see a GREAT case-study comparison of Melee DPS vs. Melee AC in there, and the time/resources spent and damage taken/dealt by each to accomplish the same task.

I am very much looking forward to the AC Build video!

"Gee, Thanks Mr. Wizard!" ™ Steppenwolf FTW!

MrWizard's Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk9zMaqyMyM

He has been posting his video progress to this thread if anyone, besides me, wants to keep up with it:
The Cannon Fodder Tank, The Kensai/Stalwart Build
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=216140

[Stamp3de]

Why is he even running it on hard lol? Hard still scales, elite doesn't.

[Shade]

MrWizard has now uploaded 5/9 videos of his solo run on Hard difficulty. Once he starts his Elite video we should be able to see a GREAT case-study comparison of Melee DPS vs. Melee AC in there, and the time/resources spent and damage taken/dealt by each to accomplish the same task.


I'd guess that your joking as the result of such a study is already clear, but really whats the point either way? The direction the game has been headed has been very clear the moment the shroud raid was released, the dinosaurs that continue to fight that are odd ones indeed.. But it's easy enough to ignore then and continue to enjoy the game the way the designers intended.

There's a reason his videos feature constant dungeon alert.. Dungeon alert is a system put in the game to tell you to stop it, because the devs really don't intend for you to be doing what your doing as it causes lag.

It's already quite clear that doing this on an ac build is excruciatingly long, boring, slow and much worse for this quest then on a proper dps melee. You can see in the videos he took an insanely long time and used a massive amount more resources then I did just to complete hard (if he ever did after the several hundred hours of video he posted just getting half way through)

It's also pretty funny how he talks about having trouble getting into groups because of his build. Any real veterans that actually are good at the game don't have such problems, they get into groups on all of our characters based on reputation as a player, not based on the merits of their particular build. He may never realise that tho.

If your curious about the resource use on the 2nd run .. 52 potions, you can see I have 8 left at the end, and I only took 60 since that's what I used the first run and I thought i'd improve it. And for anyone who thinks that's a big waste.. Keep in my this is my main character I've probably spent over a 50 million platinum on equipping over the many years, so you can guess how much 30-50k means to me.

Also far as relying on "tons of epics to complete an elite quest" Anyone who watched the videos closely can see that's not true. The only epic item I use in the video is the sword of shadow (oh and a couple clicks of the hammer of life so you guys didn't have to sit thru another 30 seconds of me standing around waiting out silver flame penalties).

But in several segments I don't even use it, and instead use a lightning strike greataxe, and you can tell I kill at almost the same speed. There's very little difference between the 2 given the enemies DR, it only has a big impact on the tieflings or things I hit with stunning blow (x4 vs x3 crits).

If I was really concerned about making it easy by using powerful epics, I would of put silver or good on the sword to bypass the DR, I purposely didn't. And I have some 60+ tokens in my pack to change it at will.

Equipment in terms of boosting DPS certain does have a large factor on this quest and I wouldn't run it on one without the correct gear. That's all part of the game and part of the fun of unlocking and crushing the higher difficulties.

Far as I'm concerned any quest that takes over 60 minutes is a failure anyways. There's really nothing in the game designed to take that long as the devs realize many players simply don't enjoy sitting thru such a long period of gaming and its more fun/relaxing to have at least a short break in between sessions.
The only exception to that is perhaps very long raids like Shroud which I think was originally designed to be long enough to last in the 60-90 minute range (especially back at the lvl16 cap on elite)

[Shade]

Why is he even running it on hard lol? Hard still scales, elite doesn't.

Elite scales too. Just much much less then hard does.

For this particular quest, its a massive ramp up difficulty regardless of the scaling tho.

[SquelchHU]

So the bickering aside, how much AC is considered 'high' for elite?

[grodon9999]

So the bickering aside, how much AC is considered 'high' for elite?

Mid 70s you'll still see way more misses than hit from the bearded devils and the Orthons won't be able to touch you. Keep in mind my guy's a Ranger so I'm getting favored enemy bonus as well. "High" AC would have to be in the 80s.

[Quikster]

Mid 70s you'll still see way more misses than hit from the bearded devils and the Orthons won't be able to touch you. Keep in mind my guy's a Ranger so I'm getting favored enemy bonus as well. "High" AC would have to be in the 80s.

mid 70's self buffed is pretty high. Especially if you have the capability to throw on a shield to make it higher.

[SquelchHU]

Mid 70s you'll still see way more misses than hit from the bearded devils and the Orthons won't be able to touch you. Keep in mind my guy's a Ranger so I'm getting favored enemy bonus as well. "High" AC would have to be in the 80s.

Way more as in they miss... 75% of the time?

Next question. Protection from Evil stacks with normal deflection/resistance bonuses if the attack source is evil right?

[grodon9999]

Way more as in they miss... 75% of the time?

Next question. Protection from Evil stacks with normal deflection/resistance bonuses if the attack source is evil right?

I'd say like 60% of the time but this is anecdotal, don't have any hard data to back this up. You still face dozens if not hundreds of attacks when you get swarmed so you WILL take damage unless you're one of those DEX-based 85 AC halfling freaks.

From my understanding the Orthons hit harder but it's like they have a PA-20 because they can't hit a broadside of a barn. Low 60s is Orthon-proof.

I don't think Prot Evil stacks with other Deflection bonuses.

[Creeper]

Next question. Protection from Evil stacks with normal deflection/resistance bonuses if the attack source is evil right?

I know the saves part stacks because i've tested it. I have never tested the armor part but i don't THINK it stacks, for all that that's worth.

[Arctigis]

this issue is not getting hit..it is, i believe, them getting a grazing hit on a roll of 10 or more...50% of the time.
It adds up and the only thing, as i understand, that can stop a grazing hit is blur, displace, or concealment.

Grazing hits really really add up.

Yep, that's why dr > ac now IMO.

[Humperdink]

So the bickering aside, how much AC is considered 'high' for elite?

The bearded devils will only hit you on a 20 with about a 74AC or higher on Normal. I haven't tested higher difficulties.

[Shade]

hah that video should end this discussion easily. Took him as long to clear about 10 mobs as it did me to clear over half of the quest , and at a much higher resource cost then it took me to get to the point he got to I might add.

Ignoring blur/displace messages, The red named mob hits his so called super AC build 95% of the time, even with his shieldlbock AC!
The other ones appear to hit him 30-40% of the time.

I got a friend who has a monk with 90 AC. He never get hits normally from orthon/devil, but yea grazing hits rip him appart in there.

Useless on elite.

btw: Wizard.. Youd think someone who touts around ac like its actually matter would understand this simple fact, but I guess not:
Grazing are sometimes not shown in the combat log. It's a known issue.

[grodon9999]

Useless on elite.


I'm still not sure getting missed more than 50% of the time from the trash is useless.

[Arctigis]

I'm still not sure getting missed more than 50% of the time from the trash is useless.

I think it depends. As long as we assume that self healing occurs at a sufficiently high rate as not to die, then how
much total damage is taken becomes interesting. Purely looking at the Saligia fight (other trash can be vorpaled)
then it's clear that Shade was hit a lot more. He also killed Saligia at least 10x as quick. It would interesting to see
the total damage that both characters took during that fight from being hit. Of course, being fair, Shade would
need to do it again with non-epic gear :)

[Shade]

I'm still not sure getting missed more than 50% of the time from the trash is useless.

No not in of itself.

But building a character that can attain the score needed to do so requires you to sacrifice so many other things, that it makes it so.

Also it's quite trivial to make the trash mobs otherwise miss you 50% in other ways that won't gimp your DPS, hp or other things:
Radiance Guard (I made some use of this on my 2nd run to save time and resources, yo u can see it in action in video 4)
Displacement

[Shade]

Purely looking at the Saligia fight (other trash can be vorpaled)
then it's clear that Shade was hit a lot more. He also killed Saligia at least 10x as quick.

Those 2 sentences conflict with each other.
Being I killed him incredibly faster, I actually took far less hits then he did in total.

[Creeper]

Those 2 sentences conflict with each other.
Being I killed him incredibly faster, I actually took far less hits then he did in total.

It seems like you are totally right. To be fair, I'm going to spend the next few hours counting up the damage from the two videos.
Be back later with the results.

Edit: I am instead going to count the healing both used because it will be infinitely easier. Anyone think of any reason this would be unfair?

[Creeper]

Here are the exact results:

MrWizard picked up the badge at exactly 2:35 and killed devil at 9:58 for a total of 7:23 minutes
Shade picked up the badge at exactly 6:11 and killed devil at 7:49 for a total of 1:33 minutes

Result: MrWizard took 5x longer than Shade

MrWizard used 47 cure serious pots and only 1 heal for a total of 2,441 points of damage healed
Shade used 6 silver flame pots for a total of 2,178 point of damage healed.
MrWizard ended the fight with 103/572 hps leaving 469 points unhealed
Shade ended the fight with 651/745 leaving 94 points unhealed

Result: MrWizard took exactly 638 more damage than Shade

[Shade]

Anyone think of any reason this would be unfair?

Seems fair enough. But it's possible I used a potion restoring more hp then I had lost resulting in some waste, dunno for sure.

Also the potions will only appear to heal me for 263 for the first one, as i lose 100 hp temporarily due to the debuff, but that comes back later.

Also keep in mind a good portion of the damage I take is self inflicted =)