Soundburst?

[hellfire014]

Soundburst is one of my most used spells, but I just noticed, where are my crits? Isn't stun supposed to cause Autocrit? Is this a bug, or is Soundburst an exception to the rule?

[hydra_ex]

Stuns don't necessarily provoke crits. Most notably, the exceptions are symbol of stunning and soundburst.

[Visty]

not all stuns generate autocrits

[hellfire014]

So, Soundburst essentially becomes useless once i get Greater Command? Dang

[Aschbart]

Autocrits (and sneak attacks) only apply if the target is helpless, such as from Hold Person. In that case the target loses it's Dex bonus to AC and can be sneak attacked and autocritted. IIRC from PnP rules, soundburst does not stun, it only dazes the target, which does not make it lose it's Dex bonus, only prevents it from taking actions.

[Visty]

no, as soudnburst is a fort save and greater command a will save

[Sirea]

no, as soudnburst is a fort save and greater command a will save

Well, it's going to be much more likely at higher levels that mobs have high CON scores, and therefore higher Fort saves. It's less common for them to have a high WIS and will saves.

[Visty]

Well, it's going to be much more likely at higher levels that mobs have high CON scores, and therefore higher Fort saves. It's less common for them to have a high WIS and will saves.

their con scores arent that high actually.
also castermobs still have a higher will then fort

[Kralgnax]

their con scores arent that high actually.
also castermobs still have a higher will then fort

What Visty said - soundburst is particularly usef ul against those pesky healers.
(Greater) command against the big dumb guys.

[Anderei]

I think soundburst was auto-sneakattack (even if you had aggro), but not auto-crit.

[RobinofSpiritwood]

Correct- soundburst stuns permit auto-sneak attacks.