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Dr.Goodspeed
04-11-2010, 11:45 AM
Hey there,

here's a new build I've come up with. Truth to be told it's a flavor build resulting from my desire to pala splash and my addictions to the rogue class and high DPS. What this means is that this build probably can't quite keep up(should come relatively close though) with a 13/6/1 Tempest Build or a 13/6/1 Rg/Barb/Fghtr Splash in terms of raw DPS. However that doesn't mean it's not efficient.


Pros:



Very High Saves
Deadly Smites
Lay on Hands
Raise Dead/Resurrection
Divine Favor(possibly extended)
No UMD Check for Cure Wands etc.
High Charisma = High UMD & Diplomacy
Maxed Search/Spot/DD/OL/UMD(though this is standard imho)
Disease/Fear Immunity
Decent AC potential
Elven Scimitar Boni


Cons:



Not quite as high DPS as other 13/6/1 splashes
fairly low intellegence
Lawful Good
mediocre HP



That's it for now, hope you enjoy analyzing and/or playing this build! Feel free to comment/critisize/ask questions/etc.



So long,
Goodspeed







Kurushimi (Japanese for anguish, pain, torment)
The Holy Death Dealer

Basic Statistics:

Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female
(6 Paladin / 1 Monk / 13 Rogue)
Hit Points: 268(~400 unbuffed with equip)
Spell Points: 60

BAB: 15/15/20/25/25
Fortitude: 18
Reflex: 23
Will: 14

Estimated unbuffed saves with more or less standard equip:

Fortitude: 26
Reflex: 31
Will: 22



Starting Abilities (32 Point):

Strength 16
Dexterity 16
Constitution 12
Intelligence 10
Wisdom 10
Charisma 14


Abilities (Level 20 including enhancements):

Strength 23
Dexterity 22
Constitution 14
Intelligence 12
Wisdom 12
Charisma 18


Tomes Used

+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7


Feats:

Level 1 - Two Weapon Fighting
Level 2(Monk Bonus) - Toughness
Level 3 - Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Level 6 - Power Attack
Level 9 - Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Level 12 - Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Level 15 - Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Level 17(Rogue Bonus) - Crippling Strike
Level 18 - Extend Spell / Skill Focus: UMD / Skill Focus: DD / Skill Focus: Search / CE / other possibilties
Level 20(Rogue Bonus) - Improved Evasion


Relevant Skills (Level 20 including enhancements & ability modifiers):

Balance 12
Diplomacy 27
Disable Device 24
Jump 15
Open Lock 29
Search 27
Spot 26
Tumble 25
Use Magic Device 27


Enhancements:

Rogue Haste Boost I
Rogue Skill Boost I
Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
Follower of the Undying Court
Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Racial Toughness I
Paladin Toughness I
Elven Dexterity I
Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Rogue Dexterity I
Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Racial Toughness II
Valenar Elf Melee Damage II
Rogue Haste Boost II
Rogue Sneak Attack Training II
Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Paladin Toughness II
Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Rogue Balance I
Rogue Balance II
Rogue Tumble I
Rogue Tumble II
Rogue Thief-Acrobat I
Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Paladin Divine Might I
Rogue Haste Boost III
Rogue Sneak Attack Training III
Undying Call
Paladin Exalted Smite I
Paladin Charisma I
Paladin Charisma II
Rogue Dexterity II
Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Rogue Dexterity III
Elven Perception I
Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Some Equipment possibilties for this build:

Icy Raiment
Minos Legens
Lorrik's Necklace
Golden Cartouche
Voice of the Master
Bloodstone
Phiarlan's Pendant of Time
Mantle of the Worldshaper
Charismatic Cloak +6
Planar Gird
Belt of Brute Strength
Kyrian's Band
Spectral Gloves
Seven Fingered Gloves
Ash Boots
Gyroscopic Boots of Striding
Feather Falling Boots
Black Widow Bracers
Axe Bane
Spear Bane
Tharne's Bracers
Bracers of Sustenance +15(equip before using shrines while soloing)
Proof against Poison Necklace of Underwater Action
Blindness Ward Goggles of the Eagle +15
Health Ring +6
Clever Ring +6
Cloak of Resistance
Tharne's Goggles
Goggles of Minute Seeing +15
Goggles of Disabling +15
Braza's Hat
+3 Holy Burst Scimitar of Pure Good

+3 Holy Burst Scimitar of Pure Good
Radiance Scimitar
Lightning/Min II/etc. Scimitar for OH

Dr.Goodspeed
04-11-2010, 11:57 AM
Progression:

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Diplomacy (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longbow
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I

Level 2 (Monk)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Breezes
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Candles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Pebbles
Feat: (Automatic) Disciple of Puddles
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike

Level 3 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I

Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Follower of the Undying Court
Enhancemeent: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I

Level 5 (Paladin)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I

Level 6 (Paladin)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II

Level 7 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Trap Sense
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage II

Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Feat: (Automatic) Uncanny Dodge
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II

Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Spell (1): Bless
Spell (1): Cure Light Wounds
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Lesser Restoration
Spell (1): Lionheart
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Spell (1): Resistance
Spell (1): Seek Eternal Rest
Spell (1): Virtue
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II

Level 10 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Balance I
Enhancement: Rogue Balance II
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble I
Enhancement: Rogue Tumble II

Level 11 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat I

Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I

Level 13 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Enhancement: Rogue Haste Boost III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III

Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Automatic) Improved Uncanny Dodge

Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Diplomacy (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease
Enhancement: Undying Call
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I

Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Spot (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II

Level 17 (Rogue)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II

Level 18 (Rogue)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell

Level 19 (Rogue)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Rogue Thief-Acrobat II
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III

Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV

Artos_Fabril
04-11-2010, 04:58 PM
Even for a str build, you might be better off as a drow with rapiers. You put 2 points into every stat the drow gets a bonus in, so you're not losing anything versus being an elf, although it does switch you from scimitars to rapiers.

Dr.Goodspeed
04-12-2010, 12:10 AM
Even for a str build, you might be better off as a drow with rapiers. You put 2 points into every stat the drow gets a bonus in, so you're not losing anything versus being an elf, although it does switch you from scimitars to rapiers.

The point being?

As a drow this build will end up with exactly the same stat points and switching from Scimitars to Rapiers is, if anything, disadvantageous.

You get a +1 to hit bonus with Scimitars from the "'Follower of the Undying Court' enhancement. Apart from that Scimitars have the same statistics as Rapiers, get the same racial enhancement boni but are at the same time much cheaper and less rare than Rapiers. Furthermore Slashing > Piercing imo, at least in the early levels.


So long,
Goodspeed

Razcar
04-12-2010, 05:55 AM
Looks fine (and fun) to me.