Weighted Wraps Fixed Now? Finally?

[Potvin]

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=150534

I do not see the weighted wrap bug (the weighted % doesn't apply correctly to stunning fist DC) on the current known issue list.

I have, in fact, seen this in past known issue posts (update 3).

So, what say you dev staff? Have you finally fixed this atrocity against monks everywhere?

:)

[Cedwin]

You would think that would have made the patch notes if it was fixed.

[Lerincho]

wouldn't get your hopes up. disappointment can become overbearing at times.

[Potvin]

You would think that would have made the patch notes if it was fixed.

True. They forget things sometimes, though. I figure one way or the other, it's missing in one of their notes (either fixed, or still outstanding).

[Maldavenous]

I was excited for a sec when I read this, but I agree with the above posters. If it's not in the patch notes it's most likely not fixed and I think we would have heard something from Lamania if it was.

[Sir_Chonas]

I'll check when I get home tonight if we don't get a dev post before then.

[Quikster]

I'll check when I get home tonight if we don't get a dev post before then.

im sure we will all be waiting on the edge of our seats till you finish work.......or maybe someone who isnt at work will check and post a response :D

[fishbai8]

They do not affect stunning fist. Can't check stunning blow.

[rest]

I have a feeling this (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2871927&postcount=43) guy has it right. :(


A point of clarification regarding stat draining and stunning fist. Unfortunately, you cannot use stunning fist while wielding kamas or quarterstaves. I've tested this. If you try and use SFist while wielding QStaves or Kamas, you get an error message that says, "Wrong weapon type", and if you try to use QPalm while wielding the above weapons, the client will show that you activated the ability, but nothing will happen...no message, no dead mob, no save from the mob, and your character won't even swing...but you WILL get charged the Ki for the ability and the cooldown will trigger.

Also, I put this in another thread, but I'll expand it a bit here...at one time, weighted handwraps had a bit in the tooltip (under the weighted section) that said the weighted part added a certain amount to the DC of your Stunning Fist and Stunning Blow abilities depending on the '%' value. I.E. 5% weighted would add 10 to the DC of your attempts. In addition to this, in the 'known issues' section of the forum, you could see a line that made mention that the weighted modifier was not correctly applying the benefit to the DC of your SF attempts. Well, they fixed it!!! GREAT! A FIX! Here's what they did; they removed mention of SF from the weighted section of handwraps (and all other weapons as far as I know...if it ever existed on other weapons in the first place) and then they removed mention of weighted on handwraps not adding to the DC of your Stunning Fist attempts from the 'known issues' page. Effectively fixing the issue by eliminating any mention of it. And since there is no mention of it, it is no longer an issue. Actually, there's nothing to be fixed.

Actually, there is one way to reduce a mobs' fort save to give your SFist a better chance of hitting. Get a Wounding kama of 'whatever'...equip it in your OFF HAND...this will give you a weapon that will reduce your target's constitution by 1 every other hit, effectively reducing their chance to resist by 1 every second time you reduce their con...basically, every 4th hit if you don't miss. This is, however, wildly impractical (imo) since by the time you've reduced their constitution enough to make a difference, you will probably have killed them. Actually! Since you've gimped yourself by using a kama in your off hand and nothing in your main hand (check your character page while you're like this to get a nice dose of disappointment) it'll take you markedly longer to actually kill the poor monster than it would with even +1 handwraps on...but HEY, you just might get them stunned! MAYBE!

[Lerincho]

They do not affect stunning fist. Can't check stunning blow.

/epic lose for Turbine.

[fishbai8]

I have a feeling this (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2871927&postcount=43) guy has it right. :(

Then why do weighted handwraps not affect stunning blow Pre Update 4?

[Cedwin]

No, just checked the tooltip for both stunning blow and stunning fist, the "Save" does not change for either when switching from non-weighted, to weighted 2%, to weighted 5%.

[Sir_Chonas]

I have a feeling this (http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p=2871927&postcount=43) guy has it right. :(

That quote makes no mention of stunning blow dcs which should be affected by weighted HWs at the very least (or weighted handwraps wouldn't exist).

[Potvin]

wow, what a bunch of fail.
If they really felt 2 per % was overpowered, fine, drop it to 1 per %.

[Xeraphim]

I remember back when only 1-3 of us would say anything to support Monks, now it seems many people are on the bandwagon.

I've lost hope/faith in ever making use of Stunning Fist. I took it out of my Monk's feat line and put Toughness in instead.

[rest]

That quote makes no mention of stunning blow dcs which should be affected by weighted HWs at the very least (or weighted handwraps wouldn't exist).

The OP was about stunning fist, so I thought it more appropriate. Someone else brought up stunning blow. :confused:

But I noticed the tool tip on weighted handwraps don't mention SF anymore. So they removed the mention to make it not an issue. That was the part of the quote that I was agreeing with. I should have pared it down to make it clearer.

[rest]

Then why do weighted handwraps not affect stunning blow Pre Update 4?

I thought this was about stunning fist. :confused:




I do not see the weighted wrap bug (the weighted % doesn't apply correctly to stunning fist DC) on the current known issue list.

[Sir_Chonas]

The "issues bug to be fixed" used to say "weighted handwraps do not affect stunning fist or stunning blow dcs," or something to that tune.

I'm super glad they took it off without addressing it right after I rolled my first monk to be a stunner (which he still does a moderately good job of, we'll see how things go at epic).

:( Still love the game though, but this is my #1 thing I wish was fixed.

[Anthios888]

:( Still love the game though, but this is my #1 thing I wish was fixed.

/agree

[Memnir]

How it feels to wait for Turbine to fix something...
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http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx86/EnPsyane01/snowman_stick.jpg
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[rest]

How it feels to wait for Turbine to fix something...
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http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx86/EnPsyane01/snowman_stick.jpg
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Goodness Mem... you're on quite the anti-turbine tear this morning. I don't blame you one bit, but usually you're more willing to say "give em a chance".

+1 to you for being awesome. (when I'm off rep lock)
-1 to turbine for driving you to it. (when I can finally neg people)

[Thunderpaw79]

Actually the title of the thread is about fixing weighted hand wraps. And as of now the only bug with them is that they don't effect stunning blow. From what I have read on a number of posts and the items themselves they do not intend on ever having them effect stunning fist.

[rest]

Actually the title of the thread is about fixing weighted hand wraps. And as of now the only bug with them is that they don't effect stunning blow. From what I have read on a number of posts and the items themselves they do not intend on ever having them effect stunning fist.

They used to say in the tooltip on the handwraps themselves that they add to stunning fist. That reference was removed.

[Tap4black]

How it feels to wait for Turbine to fix something...
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http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx86/EnPsyane01/snowman_stick.jpg
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And then when they actually get off their lazy buttocks and make a change, this is how we feel!

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/geek-to-me/assets_c/2009/12/charlie_brown_lucy_football-thumb-400x344-44171.jpg

[Maldavenous]

Stunning fist would be nice if it's effected by Weighted but it isn't necessary for me.

My monk is a balance monk and has both Stunning Fist and Stunning Blow.

All I ask is that handwraps work like every other item for Stunning Blow like they should.

If I wield a Weighted QStaff I can get up to a +10 bonus to my Stunning Blow (which is really nice) but once I put on my Weighted Handwraps I lose that +10 bonus making my Stunning Blows extremely hard to land. Handwraps still say they give a +X bonus to Stunning Blow.

It would be perfect if they gave a Weighted Bonus x1 for Stunning Fist and Weighted Bonus x2 for Stunning Blow IMO as you can get a really nice Stunning Fist score already.

[Potvin]

It would be perfect if they gave a Weighted Bonus x1 for Stunning Fist and Weighted Bonus x2 for Stunning Blow IMO as you can get a really nice Stunning Fist score already.

Works for me.

[MCPeePants]

How it feels to wait for Turbine to fix something...
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http://i744.photobucket.com/albums/xx86/EnPsyane01/snowman_stick.jpg
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And then when they actually get off their lazy buttocks and make a change, this is how we feel!

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/geek-to-me/assets_c/2009/12/charlie_brown_lucy_football-thumb-400x344-44171.jpg

Two months later...

[Isolani]

Haha, Tap4Black was right on the money with that pic from 2 months ago.

[SquelchHU]

Haha, Tap4Black was right on the money with that pic from 2 months ago.

Indeed. They're loving that evil genie thing.

[Linenoise2]

And then when they actually get off their lazy buttocks and make a change, this is how we feel!

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/geek-to-me/assets_c/2009/12/charlie_brown_lucy_football-thumb-400x344-44171.jpg

LOL.

Is there a newsletter I can sign up for? I'd like to know what I can expect from Update 6. :D

[Rumbaar]

Yes they are looking to fix them. See the new fix!

Before the fix
5% weighted wraps +10DC to stun attack checks [bugged did not work]

After fix
3% weighted + 33 Fort save +10DC to stun attack checks

So they fixed a bug by nerf and reducing effectiveness.

Added to the fact that with TWF nerfing you'll get 20%-80% chance you offhand doesn't even try to hit a target.