A little help with my Rangerdin please!

[Ultrazen]

Here's where I'm at so far, looks pretty fun. Great BaB, great saves, good hit points. Looking for some feedback and suggestions.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(6 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 12 Ranger)
Hit Points: 336
Spell Points: 337
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 24
Reflex: 22
Will: 16

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 23
Dexterity 14 18
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 10 12
Wisdom 12 15
Charisma 12 17

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 2 4
Bluff 1 3
Concentration 6 29
Diplomacy 1 3
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 1 4
Heal 3 5
Hide 6 27
Intimidate 1 3
Jump 7 29
Listen 1 2
Move Silently 6 27
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 1
Search 0 7
Spot 5 17
Swim 3 6
Tumble 3 5
Use Magic Device 3 14

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mobility


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion I
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion II
Enhancement: Ranger Energy of the Wild I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness


Level 16 (Ranger)


Level 17 (Ranger)


Level 18 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 19 (Ranger)


Level 20 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery III
Enhancement: Ranger Item Defense I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest II
Enhancement: Ranger Devotion III
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I




Cheers!

[Visty]

your ac wont be great, better go pal12/ranger6/mnk2

tempest 2 gives nothing which is worth the tradeoff for not getting tier2 pal PrE

[Ultrazen]

Yah that was the other build I have put together, is the 12 palie, 6 ranger, 2 monk, it looks like a real beast. The only thing I hate about that build is the fairly severe lack of skill points.

Here's the Monsterdin version


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(12 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 6 Ranger)
Hit Points: 368
Spell Points: 252
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 26
Reflex: 23
Will: 18

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 15 21
Dexterity 15 18
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 10 12
Wisdom 12 14
Charisma 12 16

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Base Skills Modified Skills
Skills (Level 1) (Level 20)
Balance 2 4
Bluff 1 4
Concentration 6 29
Diplomacy 1 3
Disable Device n/a n/a
Haggle 1 5
Heal 1 4
Hide 2 4
Intimidate 3 14
Jump 6 21
Listen 1 3
Move Silently 2 4
Open Lock n/a n/a
Perform n/a n/a
Repair 0 1
Search 4 10
Spot 5 13
Swim 2 5
Tumble 4 9
Use Magic Device 3 14

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Human Bonus) Mobility


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 7 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 8 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Turning I

[lord_of_rage]

Honestly if you are going that route why not go 14 pally 6 ranger. You will have higer dps via zeal. Yes evasion is nice but if you are going to go 12 pally you might as well go 14 and pick up zeal so then you have a 20% stacking attack increase.

[Ultrazen]

I've got quite a few paper bag DPS characters, I'd really like to make something that didn't fall over every time a mob sneezed in your direction :P The zeal angle is nice, and it's pretty tempting, but I really do hate not having evasion.

The palie version of that build isn't really intended to be an all out DPS character, as much as it is a well rounded character. I think given the BaB and feats in that build, the DPS should be more than enough to hold your own.

[unbongwah]

Looking at your second build: I thought the usual advice for paladin builds was "make WIS a dump stat and use tomes & WIS items to be able to cast spells." WIS 8 + 2 tome + 4 item and you're set. With base CHA 14 + 2 tome you could take DM II at pal 10. Then you could put the other two stat points into either STR or INT.

It seems a pity to have to wait until lvl 15 to get IC Slash. Maybe take one of your monk levels sooner and use your bonus feat to help meet the Tempest pre-reqs, so you can take khopesh at lvl 3 and IC at lvl 9? You delay Tempest by a level, but that's better than delaying IC by 6 lvls, IMHO.

[Ultrazen]

Looking at your second build: I thought the usual advice for paladin builds was "make WIS a dump stat and use tomes & WIS items to be able to cast spells." WIS 8 + 2 tome + 4 item and you're set. With base CHA 14 + 2 tome you could take DM II at pal 10. Then you could put the other two stat points into either STR or INT.

It seems a pity to have to wait until lvl 15 to get IC Slash. Maybe take one of your monk levels sooner and use your bonus feat to help meet the Tempest pre-reqs, so you can take khopesh at lvl 3 and IC at lvl 9? You delay Tempest by a level, but that's better than delaying IC by 6 lvls, IMHO.

Yah I've actually reworked the order of feats/classes etc, I threw that one together pretty quickly. The thing I still hate about that 2nd build, is the lack of skill points.

I think I did end up reworking my starting stats as well, I'll go see if I can dig up the revised one.

Thanks a ton for your input! Still wrestling with trying to make a good all around character that's fairly tough.

[Ultrazen]

Yah here is the updated Monsterdin.


Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.34
DDO Character Planner Home Page (http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO)

Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(12 Paladin \ 2 Monk \ 6 Ranger)
Hit Points: 346
Spell Points: 216
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 26
Reflex: 23
Will: 17

Starting Feat/Enhancement
Abilities Base Stats Modified Stats
(32 Point) (Level 1) (Level 20)
Strength 16 22
Dexterity 15 19
Constitution 14 16
Intelligence 8 10
Wisdom 10 13
Charisma 14 20

Tomes Used
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Mobility


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Giant
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Ranger)
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Blow


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Way of the Clever Monkey I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma III
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness II
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness III
Enhancement: Paladin Toughness IV
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Light I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II




Thanks again for the feedback!