Dumb q of the day

[Kepli_Moonshadow]

Okay, I'll be the first to admit- I listen to other players entirely too much. DDO is not PnP. I understand. SO- that being said, here's the deal- I have a lvl 17 Tempest ranger, love him to death, but it seems at higher levels I have become quite the mana sponge. (That's the clerics' problem, right? lol j/k) I was told that wearing robes/outfits of variously appropriate resistances was the way to go, so that I had max dex- even with heavy fort/AC boost item I still get smacked about a little too often. Then I was advised that I should wait until aggro is drawn by the tank/fighter, then start my flank/rear/sneak attack (which I do- DPS overcomes intimidate I think).

Am I destined to be constantly reprimanded in end-game? Have I been duped from some fundamental basic information? I really hope this isn't one of those *sigh* messages, but I'm prepared to take my lashings.

Ok, official edit- nekkid, I am: str 20 dex 21 con 14 int 8 wis 12 cha 8 AC 19. Outfitted with- Minos legens (heavy fort/toughness), armored bracers +5, ring wis +5, ring natural armor +2, belt PaP SR (17), Mantle of worldshaper (neg spell relief/true seeing), mummified bat (FF), silver flame talisman (3rd charge), gloves dex +6.

Equipped stats str 20 dex 27 con 14 int 8 wis 17 cha 8 AC 23.

As I said, been using greater resist robes of whatever is appropriate at the time. Weapons, when I dual wield, either paralyze/vorp combo or metalline when appropriate. Bows on hand- banish, disrupt, smite, puncture.

[ArloOne]

Stats? Standing AC?
Do you have the Iceys?

[moomooprincess]

Icy Raiments from Subterranean.

Just give the clerics heal scrolls and mana pots. That should compensate them.

[grodon9999]

With the broken combat system in this game the ONLY way to have decent AC without a shield and heavy armor is to monk-splash and use a lots of hard-to-get gear. Otherwise, you will be a mana-sponge.

[Razcar]

Post your build and equipment and then people might be able to advise you, or your character name and server for MyDDO check. What you have done now is akin to calling the repair shop and telling them "I have a problem with my car", directly followed by "can you tell me what is wrong with it?" Provide more information please.

[Kepli_Moonshadow]

Post your build and equipment and then people might be able to advise you, or your character name and server for MyDDO check. What you have done now is akin to calling the repair shop and telling them "I have a problem with my car", directly followed by "can you tell me what is wrong with it?" Provide more information please.

Aye, I realized that. Stats to follow (@ work lolz)

[Kriogen]

Kill faster.

Rangers can cast cure spells, use wands. It's not a Heal, but can save lots of resources.

Kill faster.

If your char is lawfull aligned and has some Wis/Dex, monk splash can help. If not, kill faster :)

[Tymoriel_Ayreweaver]

Kill faster.

Rangers can cast cure spells, use wands. It's not a Heal, but can save lots of resources.

Kill faster.

If your char is lawfull aligned and has some Wis/Dex, monk splash can help. If not, kill faster :)

Kill faster is one of those statements that has been used far too often in the defense of poor/gimped builds. I am not saying that the OP has a gimped build.. i honestly have no idea. however, i'm sure you have heard/listened to the arguments from people who have made their constitution a throw away stat because they will "kill faster." Its a flawed premise. These are the people who die very quickly at end game... because suprisingly... they just can't seem to (for example) kill Harry "faster..."

[Phidius]

If you work at it your Cure Serious can return well over 100 hp per cast.

Paralyzing weapons can help mitigate damage from trash mobs as well.

Use teamwork - I've seen melee stand right next to the intimidator and not seem to realize they're taking damage for no reason.

If you have UMD, use stoneskin wands and blur wands for tougher fights.

Haywire's Foundry has a Bloodrage Symbiont that will give you Disease and Poison Immunity as well as DR 5/-

[Ganolyn]

If you work at it your Cure Serious can return well over 100 hp per cast.

Paralyzing weapons can help mitigate damage from trash mobs as well.

Use teamwork - I've seen melee stand right next to the intimidator and not seem to realize they're taking damage for no reason.

If you have UMD, use stoneskin wands and blur wands for tougher fights.

Haywire's Foundry has a Bloodrage Symbiont that will give you Disease and Poison Immunity as well as DR 5/-


Yes, yes and yes. Clickies, potions and wands are a Ranger's friends. Its how I keep my end up with mine. Also, don't forget you are a Ranger. Get a good bow (Paralyzer, Wounder etc..) even if you are not primed for it and use it to reduce your melee time so that you don't take too much damage while giving good support. Back off if you can't keep up with the tanks and let them do their job while giving the healer a break. Once you recover your HP's you can get back into DPS mode.

[Kalari]

Darn it Precious you beat me to it

2 words sums it up:

Play Smart

If you know you get damaged badly while engaging mobs learn how to work around this. Strategy should be a gamers best weapon, but sadly many people forget this aspect relying only on gear, ac and other things that can and have been nerfed in the past.

The best tool you have in this game is your brain, if something is damaging you to much work around it there are weapons ways to fight to protect yourself.

And if your brain is as useful as a masterwork weapon..then I dont know what to tell ya.

OP rangers played right especially tempest melee are one of the most damage output classes there is. And if your doing your part a decent cleric wont complain to much but if your not and still getting damage then thats when I expect many will reprimand you.

[Xaearth]

I have an old dwarven 15/2 ranger/fighter build that I created before monk or even tempest were released.
He doesn't have anywhere near the AC monk splashed rangers can get... but he does have haste boost. :D

From time to time I find clerics that complain that he is too squishy with his ~400 hps and negligible AC.
Generally poor ones.
What do I do? I pull out a bow. Obviously he can fill my melee role better, so I take over a support role. :rolleyes:
*shrug* At least I don't pull aggro for the rest of the quest. ;)

When I get some off remark about switching to bow, I just reply that I don't feel like using multiple stacks of pots to pull some lame noob through the quest. :cool:

[Swedishchef]

Erruhm now i hope you have your haggling gear on.
If not get GFL, Minos, Prot +5 item, DT robe/outfit or icy as people mentioned. Theese items will improve your ac and survivability.

As for g-fire/ice/acid etc etc u can give your self resistances, bark skinn and heal your self. (if you can fit it in use the gloves from the reaver raid for self healing)

Only my 2 cp :)

[Kalari]

Someone has asked rangers to switch to a bow? wow I want to be in those groups :) many people I know groan at bow users. And I think if someone told my tempest to pull out a bow it would result in at least 10 mins solid of laughter.

[Yeric]

There are some good posts here. Gear is important. Heavy Fort is a must. Patience is required as well. I'm not sure if it is just my build or what. I too had questions about survivability. At level 20 it seemed like my Elven tempest Ranger had a spine installed. Or his stones dropped. Dunno which. He is no tank, however he lasts a lot longer in a extended combat than he used to. He is as heavily speced for ranged combat and still be a tempest as possible. So when he pulls his bow nobody laughs. At the end of Manyshot he enters melee and holds up his end. From 16 to 19 I was considering re rolling. He spent a lot of time back with the clerics and sheep. Glad I didn't. Hang in there. As for splashes, try and hold off. The Ranger capstone is one worth getting. IMO. lol!

[TheDjinnFor]

*Im a Yak fan are you? Yakcast MMO smack talk*

Good lord, no. That guy's an idiot.

[Kalari]

Good lord, no. That guy's an idiot.

I like the show even did one myself but its your opinion :) It reminds me of chatting with guildies ^_^

[Kepli_Moonshadow]

Hang in there. As for splashes, try and hold off. The Ranger capstone is one worth getting. IMO. lol!

I have no intention of splashing, I'm actually going to try to stay purist for each individual class *groans*. I know it makes things easier in certain situations to multi-class, but if I wanted easy, I'd play WoW. :P

[KillEveryone]

Erruhm now i hope you have your haggling gear on.
If not get GFL, Minos, Prot +5 item, DT robe/outfit or icy as people mentioned. Theese items will improve your ac and survivability.

As for g-fire/ice/acid etc etc u can give your self resistances, bark skinn and heal your self. (if you can fit it in use the gloves from the reaver raid for self healing)

Only my 2 cp :)

In addition to the other hp items, you should get a con item. I noticed that you have a 14 con base, and you have no con item. It will add more hp.

[Kepli_Moonshadow]

okay, based on the posts, it's not a matter of getting into different armor- fair enough. thank you all so much for the constructive responses.

[Bacab]

Your AC is absolute garbage...but everyone's is at the higher lvls for most part. Wear a +STR item in that bracer slot. That will increase your DPS. Baisically anything that deals with AC...forego it. Go straight DPS. Unless you can hit 50s or 60s...it does you no good.

Also get a Dusk heart for Improved False life and Blur. Will negate more damage than any item. ALso ignore the post taht say get protection items... Seriously...you have a nekkid 20 STR...and a equipped 20 STR. You MUST get a STR item. Even if you use a bow...BOW STR increases your DPS. Also get more HP...i.e. false life item and CON.

ALSO to the people telling him to get AC gear...he has a 23 AC...It is not really possible for him to boost that to levels of being useful, unless he is running Water Works...

Also if you can get a caster to cast displacement/blur on you it would help big time.

Once you get some plat...get a bloodstone. Or farm one if you have the Desert Adventure Pack.

[Kepli_Moonshadow]

Your AC is absolute garbage...but everyone's is at the higher lvls for most part. Wear a +STR item in that bracer slot. That will increase your DPS. Baisically anything that deals with AC...forego it. Go straight DPS. Unless you can hit 50s or 60s...it does you no good.

Also get a Dusk heart for Improved False life and Blur. Will negate more damage than any item. ALso ignore the post taht say get protection items... Seriously...you have a nekkid 20 STR...and a equipped 20 STR. You MUST get a STR item. Even if you use a bow...BOW STR increases your DPS. Also get more HP...i.e. false life item and CON.

ALSO to the people telling him to get AC gear...he has a 23 AC...It is not really possible for him to boost that to levels of being useful, unless he is running Water Works...

Also if you can get a caster to cast displacement/blur on you it would help big time.

Once you get some plat...get a bloodstone. Or farm one if you have the Desert Adventure Pack.

WOW! even better insight. this plan of action makes more sense to me. the strength bump, not worrying about AC to sacrifice DPS....good deal. I'll still keep an eye on my tactics, but AC will no longer be my enemy!

[Bacab]

Yeah to be truthful maybe 5% of the character out there actually have AC high enough to matter. Blur/Displacement/DPS and good crowd control are best damage mitigators.

My main is a FVS, and I can tell ya...great DPS and good Crowd Control makes my life way easier.

Think about it...where will I spend more SP? Healing a "big fight" for 30 seconds with great DPS or healing a "big fight" for 3 minutes because we can not kill the monsters fast enough.

Also look into Paralyzers, they reduce SP cost a LOT. And a Tempest RNG puts out so many swings, you WILL paralyze something.

Also IMHO

High HP/DR=Better raid tank
than
Low HP/low dr high AC

Though never underestimate tactics and "twitch". I have partied with barbs with an AC of like 10 and they do not get hit due to amazing "twitch" skills. Just practice it. WHen an Ogre winds up for that "triple attack", tumble out of the way. Saves you a lotta HP and is more active/fun playstyle.

Well hope this helps,

~Bacab



EDIT: btw this is not a dumb question. I see a lotta people in quest in the Vale or Amrath using AC gear when their AC is below 50 and totally gimp their DPS. I really with more people would read this thread or ask this question. Also as a "healer" it is my "job" to heal you and keep damage low. Whether that is with Command and nice crowd control or me kiting mobs while you melee pick em aparat one by one. I will keep you alive, you make them dead...fair trade lol.

[Ganolyn]

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Also get a Dusk heart for Improved False life and Blur...

...Once you get some plat...get a bloodstone.


How is he supposed to equip both of these?

[Bacab]

How is he supposed to equip both of these?


Once he gets enough plat he can upgrade to the bloodstone...

typically new characters go with a Pearl of Power in trinket slot (if a caster) or a Dusk heart (if not caster, or once that static bonus SP is used). After becoming "established" you get that bloodstone (for melees). Also Voice of Master ONLY has to be equipped at end of quest for XP bonus or right before you solve an optional.

[smilinJ]

i admit i just skimmed the replies so forgive if my responce is old news .. as for wearing gear for resists that is a nono cause you cab cast elemental resists and protections as well as fom and acid protection.. also always have barkskin on yourself.. icy raiment or enlightened vestements are also great if you have a real high dex ... at lvl 16 my ranger had +5 elven chain with some resist or other but because of the max ac bonus on it when i got enlightened vestements it actually gave him 1 more ac then the +5 elven chain and with the added +6 wis i was able to drop my old wis item for an greater false life item.. and the icy is just as good but has +5 resist and iirc con.. imo last resort, if you still are unhappy .. save up the store points and buy a lesser heart on reincarnation and reset all your stats/skills/feats.. but be sure to do a lot of homework 1st to have a solid plan before you do

[Spookyaction]

I see a lot of post here about paralizers. I think its a waste of time for a tempest ranger doing end game quests. If you are fighting stuff that can be vorpaled you should be using vorpals most likely. Duel wield them to get twice the chance for 20. And if you need to be using a bow so you dont get attacked something else is wrong with the group dynamic.

[Ganolyn]

Once he gets enough plat he can upgrade to the bloodstone...

typically new characters go with a Pearl of Power in trinket slot (if a caster) or a Dusk heart (if not caster, or once that static bonus SP is used). After becoming "established" you get that bloodstone (for melees). Also Voice of Master ONLY has to be equipped at end of quest for XP bonus or right before you solve an optional.


Yeah, I've been debating that with my guy. I have the Dusk Heart and have no real plans to lose it as I need the HP and concealment does work quite often (I swear I see "blur" float above me more than 10% of the time). A Bloodstone certainly would be a DPS booster, but since I have four levels of Rogue too it gives me Rogue Haste Boost II, which when mixed with Haste and Tempest gives me twenty seconds of +45% attack speed with the last ten seconds (assuming a thirty second Haste boost) at +25%. The "Cuisinart" as I call it works very well although the five times per rest can be a problem if shrines are scarce.

As far as the VOM, I got rid of mine because I could never remember to equip it in time. It became a waste of an inventory slot :o

[Kepli_Moonshadow]

I have a dusk heart- will now equip it :D

I dual wield paralyze left/vorpal right (STAND there whilst I lop of yer HEAD!!)

Icy raiments coming soon, with the AC bump @ stone of change, in lieu of armored bracers. As far as light armor, it just doesn't "feel" right in an RPG sense. Thinking of running nekkid. ;) Max Dex, right?

[Razcar]

* Boost your HP as high as possible. Wear a +6 Con item at all times.
* Wear a Greater False Life item at all times.
* Get the +10 HP bonus from Giant Hold favor.
* Get the Toughness feat. This is mandatory on all melees that have a 1d6 or 1d8 hit point dice. Get all the Racial Toughness enhancements as well.
* Stop wearing Elemental Resistance items. You're a ranger - cast Resists on yourself instead. And on the party as well, for that matter. I hate rangers that are stingy with their spell points.
* Get and wear a +4 Resistance (for saving throws) item instead of the elemental ones you have now. This will make you take less spell damage.
* Never leave home without 100% Fortification. I see you have a Minos, that's good.
* Attack a mob that another melee is already attacking, and which is aggroed on him.
* Ask casters for Blur and Displacement.
* Craft Stoneskin clickies in the Shroud, try to keep it up at all times. Or ask a caster for Stoneskin. Stoneskin wands are tough to use with UMD if you're pure ranger though.