Low wisdom, non-dps FvS...I don't get it.

[Ssmooth]

If your FvS is non combat-based and you don't have max Wis, but you Do have max Cha, what is your stategy? Cast a lot of spells that everything will save against and have enough mana that you can cast it 30 times so that when they roll a 1 they die? I don't get it. When they save vs Destruction or Implosion, what's your back-up plan? Cast max empowered BB, believing with such a build you took caster feats, and hope that your 100/hit(cuz they saved!) will eventually make them give in and die?

I just see way too many FvS that don't have the stats to dps and have no wisdom to boot. But hey, they sure like that 34 Cha...

[Newtons_Apple]

If your FvS is non combat-based and you don't have max Wis, but you Do have max Cha, what is your stategy? Cast a lot of spells that everything will save against and have enough mana that you can cast it 30 times so that when they roll a 1 they die? I don't get it. When they save vs Destruction or Implosion, what's your back-up plan? Cast max empowered BB, believing with such a build you took caster feats, and hope that your 100/hit(cuz they saved!) will eventually make them give in and die?

I just see way too many FvS that don't have the stats to dps and have no wisdom to boot. But hey, they sure like that 34 Cha...

They may be healing specced. All I can think of.

[gavagai]

If your FvS is non combat-based and you don't have max Wis, but you Do have max Cha, what is your stategy? Cast a lot of spells that everything will save against and have enough mana that you can cast it 30 times so that when they roll a 1 they die? I don't get it. When they save vs Destruction or Implosion, what's your back-up plan? Cast max empowered BB, believing with such a build you took caster feats, and hope that your 100/hit(cuz they saved!) will eventually make them give in and die?

I just see way too many FvS that don't have the stats to dps and have no wisdom to boot. But hey, they sure like that 34 Cha...

My guess is they just don't understand the mechanics yet. They either think CHA is a casting/DC stat, or (even worse) just think that they'll make a better healbot with no WIS and that extra 200SP.

[Ssmooth]

Thing is, you can have both...but if your not a dps build, for crying out loud at least have some spell dc. With 10 starting Cha, my FvS(currently broke till greater res), is +35/+40 hit/dam before bard, has 2495 sp(or close to) and 32 wis on a WF. With Greater Res and 20 FvS and some gear, I should be around 2650+ with 34 wis and an epic SoS! I don't know...some builds just make me go---why did you do that?

[Judo]

Thing is, you can have both...but if your not a dps build, for crying out loud at least have some spell dc. With 10 starting Cha, my FvS(currently broke till greater res), is +35/+40 hit/dam before bard, has 2495 sp(or close to) and 32 wis on a WF. With Greater Res and 20 FvS and some gear, I should be around 2650+ with 34 wis and an epic SoS! I don't know...some build just make me go---why did you do that?

If the FvS in question decided to be a straight heal-bot, then the build makes
perfect sense, although, a straight heal-bot making perfect sense makes
no sense at all

[Glorious]

I started mine with an 18 Wis and 14 Charisma - she spell DC is excellent (now 13th level) as I have taken feats and enhancements to increase it even more....she's a great healer and a great killer - very fun to play for sure!

[Bacab]

The first time I leveled my FVS i started with high CHR and put every stat level up into...you guessed it CHR. At lvl 20 I had 2700+ SP and max healing potency and etc...etc...

In my defense, I played the game back when it was lvl 10 cap and stopped when the cap was lvl 16. I have been away for about 2-2.5 years. I figured FVS would play like SOR (my highest job/class at the time).

I baisically made a heal-bot that would swing a paralyzer/vorpal/smiter/disruptor and hope that a mob rolled a "1" or failed a save of some sort. I contributed NOTHING in XP play other than nanny bot. Though in raids; I kicked butt...I could heal for days...

I picked up some raid loot and then TRed him into an Evoker build. I now have *only*..2550ish SP (about to be more about to finish my SP shroud item)...was really suprised at the NON-Difference in SP. Also with actual WIS, my CC goes a lot further in party play with conserving SP. And in solo play; obviously a Blade Barrier that kills everything is way better than meleeing.

I really can not understand a CHR build. I mean FVS can always do 2 things extremely well. Melee (Warforged or Elf mainly) or caster AND heal extremely well.

Maybe there should be a warning to this.

WARNING CHR does not affect your SP nearly as much as you think it would.

[MrWizard]

the compendium, in the players defense, still says 'charisma' is the most important stat for a fvs.

they should change that to avoid that junk...and quite frankly, they should make them like sorcs with just one stat covering it all...really.

[Ministry]

the compendium, in the players defense, still says 'charisma' is the most important stat for a fvs.

they should change that to avoid that junk...and quite frankly, they should make them like sorcs with just one stat covering it all...really.

/Signed.

[blitzschlag]

the compendium, in the players defense, still says 'charisma' is the most important stat for a fvs.

they should change that to avoid that junk...and quite frankly, they should make them like sorcs with just one stat covering it all...really.

thats sales strategy i'd say.

anyway, you get max wisdom without sacrificing anything but some spellpoints.
you can get disjunction proof charisma with just 7/11 starting stat (7 if you count selfcasted eagle splendor spell).

[MorningStarSE]

the compendium, in the players defense, still says 'charisma' is the most important stat for a fvs.

they should change that to avoid that junk...and quite frankly, they should make them like sorcs with just one stat covering it all...really.

Nah the Wis/Cha combo is alright even if FvS is a Sorc with Clerics spells. I would tried mine here but the lack of 32 pts build on Thelanis made me think about rolling him on S...

There should be an option to add some insight from community in the Compendium by the player for the player.. Yes the description is there though it should be editable cause sometime the book is .. wrong.. :eek:



If your FvS is non combat-based and you don't have max Wis, but you Do have max Cha, what is your stategy? Cast a lot of spells that everything will save against and have enough mana that you can cast it 30 times so that when they roll a 1 they die? I don't get it. When they save vs Destruction or Implosion, what's your back-up plan? Cast max empowered BB, believing with such a build you took caster feats, and hope that your 100/hit(cuz they saved!) will eventually make them give in and die?

I just see way too many FvS that don't have the stats to dps and have no wisdom to boot. But hey, they sure like that 34 Cha...


The thing i would think with a Cha only build like other stated -> Healbot.

I took me a few time to think about my FvS and i started with 17-18 wisdom and 14-15 charisma ( i don't remember the exact number ) as he will be mostly Caster and rare case of melee..

[Greydeath]

Something like this failure? (http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/juggles/) :rolleyes:

[Logic]

If your FvS is non combat-based and you don't have max Wis, but you Do have max Cha, what is your stategy? Cast a lot of spells that everything will save against and have enough mana that you can cast it 30 times so that when they roll a 1 they die? I don't get it. When they save vs Destruction or Implosion, what's your back-up plan? Cast max empowered BB, believing with such a build you took caster feats, and hope that your 100/hit(cuz they saved!) will eventually make them give in and die?

I just see way too many FvS that don't have the stats to dps and have no wisdom to boot. But hey, they sure like that 34 Cha...

+1 rep for pointing out that there are way to many cha based FvS's. My guildy was bragging his FvS has 34 charisma!

I started 6 wis and 12 cha, but I'm WF melee. Even 12 cha is a bit much :P

[Xithos]

Something like this failure? (http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/juggles/) :rolleyes:

Lots of non-stacking concordant oppositions on there; nice gear otherwise.

[Bacab]

I am really hoping you guys know and are friends with Juggles...

I do not personally know him, but he has accomplished more in game that the guy trying to make fun of him has/ever will. He is a very good FVS by all accounts and his video pretty much led the DEVs to re-thinking C/O.

If C/O does not stack...it is because Juggles pointed out that it was over-powered and then "ninja edited it".

Plus...he's a Pirate...he will cut you.

[tihocan]

He is a very good FVS by all accounts
He does seem like a great healbot!

[Bunker]

OP: Just think about it. If there were no bad builds or lame duck players out there, then you would just be one of the many average peeps. But with lower then average builds/players, you can consider yourself better, or best. So as I see it, they are helping you. :)

[Anderei]

Its easy to make that error with the hints the game gives you how a FvS should look like, I also got one of these around I just dont want yet afford a LR upon. Not low wisdom, but 17 wisdom, 18 charisma, 1 levelup into wisdom, 3 into cha :-/ It are the experiences we all have to do in our live, like once driving a car into a wall. Tell your kids 100times not to make the same errors you did, they will just have to do.

[Danmor]

I'd really like a sort of hint at character creation for all caster classes along the lines of "Raising Char a further 2pts will bring you 30 additional sp at lvl 20".

When I prepared rolling my FvS I was definitely surprised about the sp tables. (Yeah, yeah, I know it's the same for any other caster, but for a FvS you actually have to decide where to put those points)

[Fenrisulven6]

Saw one yesterday on a Tear run. We couldn't do optionals because he didn't have the 22 wis needed for the rune.

Now, I can understand how some FvS at that level wouldn't have 22. But what was his Wis?

10.

:confused:

[Inspire]

If your FvS is non combat-based and you don't have max Wis, but you Do have max Cha, what is your stategy?

Even melée based FvS should have a decent wisdom, otherwise you won't live up to your full potential either.

[Ssmooth]

Even melée based FvS should have a decent wisdom, otherwise you won't live up to your full potential either.

Oh I quite agree Inspire. Mine is melee based, but also has 32 wis, soon to be 34(36 with lit and +4 tome). I should be able to get my cha to 22 with a tod ring, and base str to 28(36 with titan's grip and rage). Already very satisfied with dps, just working on spell dc's.

[Chai]

On a fighting FvS I can see it. If they have a level of fighter and are swinging a great ax with dumped wisdom tossing all levels into str, they will still have more mana at 20 than a full blown cleric with huge wisdom, and with 4 toughness enhancements for class, can get in there and fight as well as full on heal. The downside is they wont be able to use a spell that has a DC. So they heal, buff self, buff party, and fight. People who build this are choosing right from the beginning not to cast offensive spells. Having no blade barrier and death spells with a lots of mana would be hard to live with for me lol.

For a caster version. They should start cha and wis high while keeping con in mind, and max the wis with levels + enhance + tomes + gear and use enhance + tomes + gear on the cha. with no levels.

The paths and what is documented so far on FvS lead newer players to believe that you can build it like a sorc and dump wis. - fail.

This is what I see alot of in game so far pre shroud crafting or other raids:

15 con 1 human 2 tome 6 gear = 24
17 wis 2 enhance 2 tome 6 gear 5 levels = 32
16 cha 1 human 3 enhance 6 gear 2 tome = 28

Once you get a 3 wis tome you can move the human bump over to wis, drop the last AP bump to cha saving 6AP, and you lose ~30 mana bringing the cha to 26 and moving the wis to 34.