Ninja Spy I and Assassin I - Do They Stack?

[Kale_Hagan]

Discuss. I wanna know how many items I gotta grind for.

[Superspeed_Hi5]

As in can I have both ench lines at the same time? Yes you can. Ninja spy isnt even available yet so you have plenty of time to get what you are looking for.

[Visty]

As in can I have both ench lines at the same time? Yes you can. Ninja spy isnt even available yet so you have plenty of time to get what you are looking for.

id bet hes talking abotu the tod sets as, as you pointed out, ninja spy isnt even out yet

sadly i cant answer the OP question but im sure someone has tested that somewhere

[epochofcrepuscule]

Discuss. I wanna know how many items I gotta grind for.

Assassin - This item is one of two pieces of the Assassin set. When both items are equipped you will gain a bonus to hit and damage with sneak attacks, and receive 20% less threat. If you have the Assassin 3 Enhancement, this item will give your weapons a chance to apply a level drain effect on your target.


Ninja Spy - This item is one of two pieces of the Ninja Spy set. When both items are equipped you will gain a bonus to hit and damage with sneak attacks, and receive 20% less threat.


Seeing as to how they dont stack with tharnes goggles, I highly doubt they stack with each other for the sneak attack.

If you are wondering about the threat.... well... I am going to assume no, but I can be wrong.

[Kale_Hagan]

Tharne's, Treason, and Subtle Backstabbing all stack. I'm guessing that either Ninja Spy or Assassin stack with those three, or replace Tharnes.

Any chance a dev can chime in on this?

[Impaqt]

Bonus's of the same amount rarely stack. There are special exceptions.. Finger Necklace and other 10% healing bonus's for example.. But the finger necklace is on a totally different mechanic.

The chance that the 20% reduction on these 2 items stack is as slim as I can imagine.... they most likely are both the exact same bonus and therefor will not stack.

Treson does not stack with tharnes.(Not the sneak attack anyway, the ReductionMIGHT because the description of Treason is odd. It may have a mechanic like the finger necklace inthat regard) There is obviously no way to reliably rest the stacking of threat reduction.

Subtle Backstaber DOES because its an enhancemnt and Enhancments ALWAYS stack with feats and items.

[Arkat]

It's "bonuses" not "bonus's"

[Visty]

It's "bonuses" not "bonus's"

boni actually (but i think bonuses is accepted too)

[Arkat]

boni actually (but i think bonuses is accepted too)

Nope. At least for English (and Latin for that matter), "boni" was never the plural of "bonus." It used to be "bona."

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_plural_of_bonus

http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/ask-teacher/84273-plural-bonus.html#post394042

"Bonuses" is correct.

[Visty]

Nope. Boni was never the plural of "bonus." It used to be "bona."

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_plural_of_bonus

"Bonuses" is correct.

it depends if you talk about bonus or bonum

and bonuses is accepted, as i wrote, yes

[Arkat]

it depends if you talk about bonus or bonum


Sort of.

Latin

Singular - Bonum
Plural ADJ Form - Bona
Plural Noun Form - Boni


English

Singular - Bonus
Plural - Bonuses


We are writing in English here so the only correct answer is "bonuses."

[Visty]

No.

Latin

Singular - Bonum
Plural - Bona


English

Singular - Bonus
Plural - Bonuses


We are writing in English here so the only correct answer is "bonuses."
i actually meant the latin bonus and bonum, not the english one

origins and such

[Noctus]

Nope. At least for English (and Latin for that matter), "boni" was never the plural of "bonus." It used to be "bona."

I trust my old latin teacher more than wiki-answers.:rolleyes:
I have the "Große Latinum", a certificate in Germany which you get after successfully having had Latin for 5 years at the Gymnasium (which is roughly equal to a US prep school) and is a prereq for studying Medicine, History, Theology and historic languages.


In latin the plural of bonus is boni.

In german the plural of bonus is boni.

In english the plural of bonus is bonuses, but you occasionally find boni, mostly in older sources or by german speakers who made a self-suggesting conclusion.

[Visty]

I trust my old latin teacher more than wiki-answers.:rolleyes:
I have the "Große Latinum", a certificate in Germany which you get after successfully having had Latin for 5 years at the Gymnasium (which is roughly equal to a US prep school) and is a prereq for studying Medicine, History, Theology and historic languages.

offtopic, but isnt it the "Kleines Latinum" for 5 years? and 9 for the "Große Latinum"?
(had that language for 9 years and there has to be an advantage over those 5year slackers :p)

[Chai]

No no no, you got it all wrong, its: Derail http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=derailing%20a%20thread

See also: Commonly helped along unintentionally by people who are simply off topic, as well as the occasional Grammar Nazi

[Kale_Hagan]

I would give rep for all those who successfully turned my assassination/ninja spy thread into a Latin lesson, but I was an English major who quit because I liked reading too much.

You guys are ruining every book I read. So no rep for you!

And by the way, (sorry to get back on topic) devs have stated that Tharnes, Subtle Backstabbing, and Treason stack (they multiply, or something). No, I don't have the link. But some things are true whether or not you believe them.

I'm figuring the threat reduction of Assassin and Ninja Spy, since they seem similar to Tharnes, that only one of the three would actually be applied. I was just hoping for some definitive info.

Thanks for the latin lesson, though. It was thorougly skimmable and I didn't read most of it.

[Impaqt]

I would give rep for all those who successfully turned my assassination/ninja spy thread into a Latin lesson, but I was an English major who quit because I liked reading too much.

You guys are ruining every book I read. So no rep for you!

And by the way, (sorry to get back on topic) devs have stated that Tharnes, Subtle Backstabbing, and Treason stack (they multiply, or something). No, I don't have the link. But some things are true whether or not you believe them.

I'm figuring the threat reduction of Assassin and Ninja Spy, since they seem similar to Tharnes, that only one of the three would actually be applied. I was just hoping for some definitive info.

Thanks for the latin lesson, though. It was thorougly skimmable and I didn't read most of it.

THe fact that Enhancements and Items stack is not a question. They always do.

The fact that Tharnes may stack with Treason is believable. When you look at the description of Treason, its worked very differently than any other hate reduction items. It leads me to believe the mechanic applies to the character rather than to the actual damage he is dishing out.

Ninja Spy, Tharnes, and Assassin all share the exact same description. Expecting them to stack would be foolish.

[RobbinB]

No.

Latin

Singular - Bonum
Plural - Bona


English

Singular - Bonus
Plural - Bonuses


We are writing in English here so the only correct answer is "bonuses."

I wasn't aware the Canadian government had begun issuing a document or referencing an absolute source as the authoritative "correct" English for a given year or time period. Please direct me to the appropriate link.

[Arkat]

I trust my old latin teacher more than wiki-answers.:rolleyes:

I relied mostly on the second link in one of my posts above...the one that was post from the U.K. moderator of the usingenglish.com forum.





In latin the plural of bonus is boni.

In german the plural of bonus is boni.

In english the plural of bonus is bonuses, but you occasionally find boni, mostly in older sources or by german speakers who made a self-suggesting conclusion.

Thanks for the info.

I actually did some further research.

Boni is indeed a plural form of bonum...the Noun form.

Bona is also a plural form of bonum...the Adjective form.

We were both right and so was Visty to an extent.

However, I will stick to my guns when I say for English, bonuses is the only correct plural form of bonus. Dictionary.com agrees with me.

I'd also look it up on the OED site but you have to pay for that.

Cheers.

[tomfar72]

Bonum??? I hardly Knowum....

[Arkat]

Bonum??? I hardly Knowum....

A REALLY old one but a good one! :D

[Arkat]

I wasn't aware the Canadian government had begun issuing a document or referencing an absolute source as the authoritative "correct" English for a given year or time period. Please direct me to the appropriate link.

If I read this right, in Canada it's ok to pluralize "bonus" as "bonus's."

Somehow I doubt it.

Show me in Gage's Canadian English dictionary or in the Oxford Canadian English dictionary. Either will do.

[Noctus]

"Okay, roll to see how good you are."

"15 .. hmm + 7, and the +5 circumstance boni, thats 27!"

"Nice, nice. You successfully derail the Thread."

Noctus --> +150 XP for Thread derailment.

[Arkat]

"15 .. hmm + 7, and the +5 circumstance boni, thats 27!"


Hey, if it's acceptable to mix German in with English in Germany, that's just dandy.

As for me, I prefer not to mix Latin in with English here in the U.S. unless I'm in a courtroom.

[Bago]

As for me, I prefer not to mix Latin in with English here in the U.S. unless I'm in a courtroom.
.. and even there, its probably not a good idea to mix human languages with one developed by lawyers.

[Noctus]

Hey, if it's acceptable to mix German in with English in Germany, that's just dandy.

As for me, I prefer not to mix Latin in with English here in the U.S. unless I'm in a courtroom.

Actually when i play Pen&Paper D&D the language is heavily spiked with English, as we use the english rule terms.

When 3.0 was still up-to-date, the german company who did the translating couldnt / didnt want to keep up with the amount of books Wizards put out, and thus my gaming group switched to the original US books.

[Noctus]

I trust my old latin teacher more than wiki-answers.:rolleyes:
I have the "Große Latinum", a certificate in Germany which you get after successfully having had Latin for 5 years at the Gymnasium (which is roughly equal to a US prep school) and is a prereq for studying Medicine, History, Theology and historic languages.


In latin the plural of bonus is boni.

In german the plural of bonus is boni.

In english the plural of bonus is bonuses, but you occasionally find boni, mostly in older sources or by german speakers who made a self-suggesting conclusion.



Neg-repped for my clarifications?

All i have to say is this:

http://nextround.net/upcoming/thumbs/2010/02/11/Inglourious-Basterds-Grammar-Nazi-full.jpg

[Marewood]

Lol guys, you just rock. Btw. as a littlte bonus: I also have the "Kleines Latinum". But i noticed that it doesnt really help me in figuring, wheter sneak bonuses stack or not.

Oh and regarding the OP: Some guy in another thread stated that he play-tested whether the damage bouncenusses on Tharnes and Ninja Spy would stack, and as most guys in here (xcept for the grammar fraction) suggested - it does not. No word on the threat reduction though (and plz no more thread reduction but i have to admit that the last post was just hillarious ;)

[Razcar]

And by the way, (sorry to get back on topic) devs have stated that Tharnes, Subtle Backstabbing, and Treason stack (they multiply, or something). No, I don't have the link. But some things are true whether or not you believe them.

Yes they did, I believe it was an "Ask the Devs" on DDOCast, can't recall which one though. It was also tested by one of the rogue illumni (don't remember who though) here on the forums (with Harm spells cast by a third party as an aggro-shifter IIRC) before that and they reached the same conclusion.


I'm figuring the threat reduction of Assassin and Ninja Spy, since they seem similar to Tharnes, that only one of the three would actually be applied. I was just hoping for some definitive info.I don't know about that. Since some items that have the power do stack (Tharne's and Treason), it's not impossible it would stack on these set items as well, even with each other. It has to be tested, or a dev could maybe enlighten us please.