Rogue Assasin?...

[MushroomDisorder]

Hey.
Look,i read some about rogue assasin...and im thinking to my self-isn't it boring?
i mean,of course that at higher lvls it gets real fun,but! on lower lvls...what you do? you just disable traps all day?
you just get into group after group just to disable traps,open locked chests and so...
i don't understand what people find it so fun. for example,i am someone that is not the best at lvling,unlike some of my friends that i don't play a day or two, and they get from lvl 5 to 8 or 9 without me even noticing it.
so i think,for someone like me,that rogue is kind of interesting for him,that don't know how to lvl up so fast...i would be bored after the first few quests. because i will do nothing than disabling traps,and opening locked chests.

i know you may think im a crybaby,or so,but i still don't understand how people can love this kind of thing,that you have to be high lvl to enjoy it. i am someone that likes to be in action while in a battle,not hide,or search for traps,doors,chests and so on.my highest char lvl is 13.to get to that lvl i worked hard,but for other people its nothing big.i don't understand how people can get to lvl 20 without banging their head all over the keyboard after each time they lvl up,and see how much more exp they need to get. especially those that reincarnate!

sorry that i sound like a crybaby,but this is just lame.

[Impaqt]

ok, why would you self impose any sort of "Only do traps" thing?

Rogues most certainly can Kill. at low levels, they have more DPS potential thanany other class int he game as a matter of fact. a Level 5 Rogue with Enhancements can be hitting for an additional 3d6 +10 or more on EVERY sneak attack....

[Angelus_dead]

i mean,of course that at higher lvls it gets real fun,but! on lower lvls...what you do? you just disable traps all day?
Nope. Rogues are mammals. The function of a rogue is to flip out and kill stuff.


you just get into group after group just to disable traps,open locked chests and so...
Some people might do that, but it would mean being either lazy or foolish.


i am someone that likes to be in action while in a battle,not hide,or search for traps,doors,chests and so on.
Yes, so it would be a good idea for you to take action in battle and not hide searching for traps and doors.

[MushroomDisorder]

Nope. Rogues are mammals. The function of a rogue is to flip out and kill stuff.


Some people might do that, but it would mean being either lazy or foolish.


Yes, so it would be a good idea for you to take action in battle and not hide searching for traps and doors.


ok, why would you self impose any sort of "Only do traps" thing?

Rogues most certainly can Kill. at low levels, they have more DPS potential thanany other class int he game as a matter of fact. a Level 5 Rogue with Enhancements can be hitting for an additional 3d6 +10 or more on EVERY sneak attack....

for both of you,i don't understand why you think a rogue assasin at low lvls will do high dmg.
most of the builds i see,if not all,are only 8-10 str. SO WHAT if you use enhancements.you still won't do high enough dmg to even call it dmg!
i played a rogue,i took two weapons i had in my bank- +1 Flaming Rapier of Backstabbing(min lvl 4),and +1 Acid Shortsword of Pure Good.
i just went in the quest The Kobold's New Ring Leader... i did that alone to see if my dmg worth anything. i sneaked,used enhancements,and yes,i did dmg that killed the kobolds and so,but if it was with a group on elite(example),it would have been really low dmg,considering to the situation(sneak attacking with rapier and shortsword i said,+3 dmg from dmg boost).
what i most don't understand it,how is it that i saw a rogue assasin build,that is "max sneak attack dmg build" but its only 10 str? of course that with rogue assasin I,II,III,you will do quite high dmg,but i don't understand how you can say its high dmg with only 10 str.

[Cap_Man]

Traps are what rogues do when there is nothing left to kill. :D

I'm not sure where the OP is coming from with this. At low to mid levels my biggest problem was lowering my DPS output to be comparable to the others in the group. Once I hit Gianthold I actually swapped feats to get 'Precision' (which halves your weapon and SA damage for a to-hit bonus) and picked up some stat damagers for when I was in lower DPS groups otherwise I was always getting aggro. Mind you that was before I discovered the joys of Diplo.

If the OP is having issues it is probably with aggro management. Don't be the first one the mobs see, know when to break off, use diplomacy etc etc etc

Check out this guide if you are having problems:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=237605

[MushroomDisorder]

Traps are what rogues do when there is nothing left to kill. :D

I'm not sure where the OP is coming from with this. At low to mid levels my biggest problem was lowering my DPS output to be comparable to the others in the group. Once I hit Gianthold I actually swapped feats to get 'Precision' (which halves your weapon and SA damage for a to-hit bonus) and picked up some stat damagers for when I was in lower DPS groups otherwise I was always getting aggro. Mind you that was before I discovered the joys of Diplo.

If the OP is having issues it is probably with aggro management. Don't be the first one the mobs see, know when to break off, use diplomacy etc etc etc

Check out this guide if you are having problems:

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=237605

i am still thinking of making a rogue. i just don't know which race should i do it,what stats,and so on.
i see sometimes human rogue,mostly halfling,sometimes elves,warforged,drow elves...hah,even sometimes dwarf(which look hilarius).i looked at the builds from what Siegtrent have posted (at the Character Builds mini forum thing-request a build get a build)...

:X i need 28 point build,from what i saw there,i understood almost nothing.

[wamjratl1]

for both of you,i don't understand why you think a rogue assasin at low lvls will do high dmg.
most of the builds i see,if not all,are only 8-10 str. SO WHAT if you use enhancements.you still won't do high enough dmg to even call it dmg!
i played a rogue,i took two weapons i had in my bank- +1 Flaming Rapier of Backstabbing(min lvl 4),and +1 Acid Shortsword of Pure Good.
i just went in the quest The Kobold's New Ring Leader... i did that alone to see if my dmg worth anything. i sneaked,used enhancements,and yes,i did dmg that killed the kobolds and so,but if it was with a group on elite(example) ,it would have been really low dmg,considering to the situation(sneak attacking with rapier and shortsword i said,+3 dmg from dmg boost). If you had been in a group on any setting, the damage you were doing would have tripled or better. There would have been other people there to get the mobs' attention and you would have been getting sneak attacks on your hits. Since you were soling, you MAY have been getting sneak damage on your first hit (but only if they hadn't seen you before you attacked.)
what i most don't understand it,how is it that i saw a rogue assasin build,that is "max sneak attack dmg build" but its only 10 str? of course that with rogue assasin I,II,III,you will do quite high dmg,but i don't understand how you can say its high dmg with only 10 str.

You do not understand how sneak attacks work. At all. In order for you to get sneak attacks, the bad guys you are attacking have to not be aggroed on you. You DO NOT have to be in sneak mode (read that part again). If you are soloing and sneak up on a bad guy to attack him, you will probably only get one sneak attack. Once you attack him, he turns his attention to you so will not hit him with any more sneak attack damage; The rest are normal attacks. So your best bet is to try grouping with folks. Once a fighter or other melee type has gotten the baddies' attention, attack. Let the others in your party attack first and then attack whatever bad guys are attacking them. That's what sneak attack damage is for. Anyone who is not attacking you is vulnerable to sneak attacks. Just to repeat: YOU DO NOT HAVE TO BE IN SNEAK MODE TO GET SNEAK ATTACKS - IN FACT YOU SHOULD NOT BE IN SNEAK MODE WHEN ATTACKING UNLESS YOU ARE AN ASSASSIN AND ARE ASSASINATING SOMETHING.

STR HAS VERY LITTLE DO DO WITH ROGUE DPS. Rogues get extra d6's for sneak attacks every few levels. Str is not a factor in these attacks. Any additional damage from weapons (elemental, holy, pure good, backstabbing, etc..) are added on top of this damage.

Blinded bad guys are also vulnerable to sneak attacks.

[Timjc86]

Rogues do some of the most damage in the game if they're getting sneak attacks, at any level of play. With the right gear and enhancements, you can get significant bonuses to sneak attacks.

The key is that you have to do something special to get sneak attacks. At low level this usually means grouping with somebody else who will hold aggro long enough for you to kill things. This holds mostly true until you can craft a Radiance II weapon.

Soloing as a rogue pre-radiance is difficult.

The other important thing to note is that any melee DPS character with less than 12 strength is generally a terrible idea. While much of a rogue's damage comes from sneak attacks, you're still getting damage from your strength modifier. Additionally, a 13 base strength allows you to get the Power Attack feat which provides another +5 damage.

Building a rogue with 8-10 strength in general is a very silly thing to do, even if you're a dex based rogue with weapon finesse.

[Impaqt]

for both of you,i don't understand why you think a rogue assasin at low lvls will do high dmg.
most of the builds i see,if not all,are only 8-10 str. SO WHAT if you use enhancements.you still won't do high enough dmg to even call it dmg!
i played a rogue,i took two weapons i had in my bank- +1 Flaming Rapier of Backstabbing(min lvl 4),and +1 Acid Shortsword of Pure Good.
i just went in the quest The Kobold's New Ring Leader... i did that alone to see if my dmg worth anything. i sneaked,used enhancements,and yes,i did dmg that killed the kobolds and so,but if it was with a group on elite(example),it would have been really low dmg,considering to the situation(sneak attacking with rapier and shortsword i said,+3 dmg from dmg boost).
what i most don't understand it,how is it that i saw a rogue assasin build,that is "max sneak attack dmg build" but its only 10 str? of course that with rogue assasin I,II,III,you will do quite high dmg,but i don't understand how you can say its high dmg with only 10 str.

OK, You know it all. Thanks for your input.

Sometimes its just not worth it to try to explain things.......

[Tormaz]

Look at this build...

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=234018

I am telling you right now at level 4 I am mauling stuff. I did the Kobald Assault mission that you have to kill 200 in a group. My group consisted of a level 5 Sorcerer, Level 4 cleric, Level 5 Barbarian, Level 5 ranger and me at level 4 (3 rogue/1 barb).

Out of the 200 kills I had 91 of them. We stayed in a tight nit group and let things come to us.

So I am here telling you now... Rogues can be killing machines =)

[wamjratl1]

The other important thing to note is that any melee DPS character with less than 12 strength is generally a terrible idea. While much of a rogue's damage comes from sneak attacks, you're still getting damage from your strength modifier. Additionally, a 13 base strength allows you to get the Power Attack feat which provides another +5 damage.

Building a rogue with 8-10 strength in general is a very silly thing to do, even if you're a dex based rogue with weapon finesse.

All true. However what the OP is also missing is that at the level where you're doing Kobolds New Ringleader (lvl 2-4?), the difference in 10 Str ( or 12-16 for a decently built finesse rogue) is negligible as at that level the best item you can equip is a +1 or +2 Str or maybe a Bulls Str pot... That +1 or 2 damage doesn't mean much, even at low levels.

[RobinofSpiritwood]

First off - at really low levels you can't get the Assassin enhancements. Not till level 6 at least.

Moreover, Assassin I is virtually useless, and your precious AP's really would be better deployed elsewhere. Like Sneak Attack Training, and Subtle Backstabbing. Or into the Toughness line. Save the change over to Assassin II when it actually becomes useful.

It's best to not rely entirely on any one thing- like Sneak Attacks- and to have abilities that can be used flexibly. So by all means build with higher STR and take the Power Attack feat if you like to hit hard all the time.