I hate Magic Missles!

[chadj82371]

Okay, so early in the game I didn't mind so much, a couple of hits for a couple of hit points. Later I'm finding them to be a real annoyance. Losing 60 hp (4 missles @ ~15 each) is a little bigger deal when you are surrounded by mobs. I know that shield and nightshield grant immunity but since they are self-cast only not much help to me.

So I'm looking for a clickie that I can use to cast shield/nightshield on myself but the only thing I've seen is always caster level 1 so I think that's only a duration of, what, 3 min. Has anyone seen anything that can give you immunity longer than 3 min? Just curious what I should be searching for.

Thanks for any responses.

[Zaodan]

Just curious what I should be searching for.
Thanks for any responses.

Cure Serious Wounds potions.

You're welcome.

[KKDragonLord]

go to market place, look in all instances for shield clickies, get as many as you can, problem solved.

you can also invest in the UMD skill, buy shield wands, and the AH has 10th level shied wands that last 10 minutes.

[chadj82371]

Cure Serious Wounds potions.

You're welcome.

Lol, funny. Maybe I shouldn't have said thanks for any responses. :)


I'll take a look at getting multiple shield clickies. I don't think I can really put points into UMD with my current build without sacrificing my disable/search/unlock skills. Once I have 32-point build unlocked though I plan to greater reincarnate him and put a few more points into intelligence for the extra UMD points so that I can have a high percentage of using heal/raise dead, etc. at lvl 20.

Thanks for the quick responses.

[Phidius]

The shield clickies that drop as random loot are caster level 1, so they only last 1 minute.

Upgrade your Silver Flame/Emerald Claw amulet 4 times for a Nightshield clicky (robe, docent, armor) that lasts 14 minutes.

[Nott]

I don't think I can really put points into UMD with my current build without sacrificing my disable/search/unlock skills.If you're a rogue and you can't fit UMD in, you've done something grievously wrong. For your sake, I'm hoping your build has only a low number of rogue levels for you to have made that statement.

[KKDragonLord]

If you're a rogue and you can't fit UMD in, you've done something grievously wrong. For your sake, I'm hoping your build has only a low number of rogue levels for you to have made that statement.

Or you can save enough plat to buy a +2 Int tome and start putting points into UMD from level 7 upwards. (if you find it feasible)

[DoctorWhofan]

If you haven't invested in UMD, you are stuck with 1 minute clickies that others have told you about.

UMD is awesome, btw, and if anyone splashes Rogue should throw points into it anyways. It's events like this that make UMD nice to have. Because you could even get a wand of shield that lasts 3 minutes and use it pretty effectivly.

[weyoun]

Okay, so early in the game I didn't mind so much, a couple of hits for a couple of hit points. Later I'm finding them to be a real annoyance. Losing 60 hp (4 missles @ ~15 each) is a little bigger deal when you are surrounded by mobs. I know that shield and nightshield grant immunity but since they are self-cast only not much help to me.

So I'm looking for a clickie that I can use to cast shield/nightshield on myself but the only thing I've seen is always caster level 1 so I think that's only a duration of, what, 3 min. Has anyone seen anything that can give you immunity longer than 3 min? Just curious what I should be searching for.

Thanks for any responses.

Cloth of the faithful FTW
http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Robes/ClothoftheFaithful.jpg

[Psyk0sisS]

I also believe White Dragonscale Armor has 3x clicky of higher than 1 min...cant remember its been so long!

*edit* Just checked...caster level 1 booooo :(

Others I found

Docent of the Claw (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Docents/DocentoftheClaw.jpg) - Nightshield CL:14
Bastion of Fealty (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Armor/BastionofFealty.jpg) - Nightshield CL:14
Chain of Conviction (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Armor/ChainofConviction.jpg) - Nightshield CL:14
Cloth of the Faithful (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Robes/ClothoftheFaithful.jpg) - Nightshield CL:14
Docent of the Flames (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Docents/DocentoftheFlames.jpg) - Nightshield CL:14

[KKDragonLord]

I also believe White Dragonscale Armor has 3x clicky of higher than 1 min...cant remember its been so long!

*edit* Just checked...caster level 1 booooo :(

sadly, the giantcrafted docent have lvl 1s as well :(

[xtchizobr]

If you're a rogue and you can't fit UMD in, you've done something grievously wrong. For your sake, I'm hoping your build has only a low number of rogue levels for you to have made that statement.

qft

[Psyk0sisS]

Posted more I found (Abbott stuff though), all armor...check my last post

[KKDragonLord]

I also believe White Dragonscale Armor has 3x clicky of higher than 1 min...cant remember its been so long!

*edit* Just checked...caster level 1 booooo :(

Others I found

Titanic Docent (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Docents/TitanicDocent.jpg) - CL:10

The titan shield gives 20/adamantine DR for 15 seconds i believe, its not a shield clickie unfortunately.

[HallowedOne]

Wait, does Shield and Nightshield protect against those other magic missile spells like Chain Missiles?! :eek:

[weyoun]

yeah, nightshield also gives you +3 to saves. does not stop other force damage from force traps though

[Daigaioh]

the Mystic belt from Bring me the head of gohola fan has shield clickies.
Bring Me the Head of Ghola-Fan! (10) - {The Restless Isles}


Mystic Belt (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Belts/MysticBelt.jpg) - (Belt) Shield (CL:1, 2/rest), Wisdom +4 [ML:7] (Treasure Room Chest)

[vVAnjilaVv]

U do not want to use shield clickies on armor, by the time u swap back into ur good armor it will be half gone. The Abbot armor is ur best bet, 14 minutes of nightshield is very nice.

And u only need to complete the raid once to get it...of course ur going to have to rerun the Cursed Crypt 3 times to get ur necklace back, but that's not a big deal really.

BTW is that nightshield armor exclusive, I would even carry two or three sets with me.

[Sirea]

the Mystic belt from Bring me the head of gohola fan has shield clickies.
Bring Me the Head of Ghola-Fan! (10) - {The Restless Isles}


Mystic Belt (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Belts/MysticBelt.jpg) - (Belt) Shield (CL:1, 2/rest), Wisdom +4 [ML:7] (Treasure Room Chest)


Note the clicky is caster level 1, meaning only 1 minute long.

Best bet is UMDing Shield 5th or 10th wands or turning in a fully upgraded Silver Flame trinket.

[Kistilan]

If you're a decent dex-build the white dragon hide armor is fairly good. My rogue-fighter utilizes it (with fighter armor mastery 1 and 2) and reaches around a 54 ac without any other named items granting higher ac. The 1-min shield clicky is for those instances when you start to see incoming fire and you're as you described it, in the thick of a battle and surrounded. I either utilize the time to finish off the mobs around me, engaged the caster that is harassing me, or tactically retreat around a corner and lure the melees into 1 on 1 combat.

[suitepotato]

MM is cast most frequently by enemy casters in the declining order kobold, trog, hobgoblin, and orc. Almost not at all by anyone else. Until they added the two orc quests off the farmland explorer area, the only orcs were at the GH content. In all the toons I've made I can't remember MM being anything more than at most a minor nuisance while soloing WW. Since there are so many clickies of shield, those are the easiest thing to work with. If the group you're with is on the ball, then those enemy casters should be dead before they get off two casts of MM.

[chadj82371]

If you're a rogue and you can't fit UMD in, you've done something grievously wrong. For your sake, I'm hoping your build has only a low number of rogue levels for you to have made that statement.

For the record, yes, my build is a tempest ranger with only 1 lvl of rogue, so DD and OL cost me 4 of my skill points each level. Throw in search and spot and there is nothing left for UMD.

As I said before, when I have 32-pt unlocked I plan to put those extra 4 points into intelligence using a Greater Reincarnate precisely so I will have the extra skill points to put into UMD but for now I don't and I am choosing not to purchase 32-pt builds because it just seems like something to earn, not buy (same for +2 tomes), but that's just my choice. Heck, if it was possible to pull the greater hearts of wood I probably would not consider buying one of those either. Seems like it means a little more to get these things by playing the game and not by pulling out a credit card. And playing my 28-pt build is giving me an appreciation of how nice having those extra 4 points will be.

I'm guessing the Silver Flame armor is my best bet, I knew it was there but had forgotten about it. Thanks again for all the suggestions.

[Holgar]

MM is cast most frequently by enemy casters in the declining order kobold, trog, hobgoblin, and orc. Almost not at all by anyone else. Until they added the two orc quests off the farmland explorer area, the only orcs were at the GH content. In all the toons I've made I can't remember MM being anything more than at most a minor nuisance while soloing WW. Since there are so many clickies of shield, those are the easiest thing to work with. If the group you're with is on the ball, then those enemy casters should be dead before they get off two casts of MM.

I'm not sure I agree here. There are plenty of casters in Shavarath and Inspired Quarter quests who cast Force Missiles, and they can hit pretty hard. It's one of the reasons my multi-class fighter/wizard is permanently shield-spelled. :D

Holgar

[chadj82371]

MM is cast most frequently by enemy casters in the declining order kobold, trog, hobgoblin, and orc. Almost not at all by anyone else. Until they added the two orc quests off the farmland explorer area, the only orcs were at the GH content. In all the toons I've made I can't remember MM being anything more than at most a minor nuisance while soloing WW. Since there are so many clickies of shield, those are the easiest thing to work with. If the group you're with is on the ball, then those enemy casters should be dead before they get off two casts of MM.

I don't know suitepotato, that's about all that the casters in Haywire Foundry cast and I've gotten tagged a ton out in the orchard (I think it's the zombie shephards that use it). And last night I was getting hit with them in one of the Vale quests as well, think it was Rainbow. THough as Holgar points out those are probably force missles, not magic missles. Same principle, shield/nightshield stops both unless I'm mistaken. All of these hit significantly harder than the ones at the level you're talking about. Not fatal mind you but a real annoyance when your in the midst of fighting something else to lose 60 or so hp from magic missle.

Has anyone had anyluck with Spell Resistance stopping them? The wiki says they are subject to a spell resistance check but I don't know if that's true or not. I have spell resistance 17 and that's sure not stopping them.

[LunaCee]

MM is cast most frequently by enemy casters in the declining order kobold, trog, hobgoblin, and orc. Almost not at all by anyone else. Until they added the two orc quests off the farmland explorer area, the only orcs were at the GH content. In all the toons I've made I can't remember MM being anything more than at most a minor nuisance while soloing WW. Since there are so many clickies of shield, those are the easiest thing to work with. If the group you're with is on the ball, then those enemy casters should be dead before they get off two casts of MM.

For magic missiles alone yes, however force missiles the 4th level spell version pops up in a few places. Efreeti in DQ raid, Gnoll casters in Ritual Sacrifice, Tiefling casters in Shavarath are a few places that come to mind.

[KKDragonLord]

Shield and Nightshield also stop Force missiles which is a very common spell in high CR enemy casters later on. I know casters on the VoN line use it quite often even on Epic and i keep my goggles slot free just to use shield clickies (and others).

in my experience when you play Pally you get used to short duration buffs, so its not that hard to do.

[Fenrisulven6]

I don't think I can really put points into UMD with my current build without sacrificing my disable/search/unlock skills. Once I have 32-point build unlocked though I plan to greater reincarnate him and put a few more points into intelligence for the extra UMD points

I made the same mistake with my first rogue.

UMD is a rogue's best friend. RR items, scrolls, wands, etc. Once you fix your build, you'll wonder how you ever survived without UMD.

My best advice is that you google Sable's "Notes from a Dancing Rogue" guide. And memorize it. :D

[suitepotato]

I'm not sure I agree here. There are plenty of casters in Shavarath and Inspired Quarter quests who cast Force Missiles, and they can hit pretty hard. It's one of the reasons my multi-class fighter/wizard is permanently shield-spelled. :D

Holgar

Maybe, but I've seen them use their other offensive spells more often, and they tend to use them first. If a party is waiting till they cast more, then they're not following the number one rule of dealing with enemies with casters: kill the casters first.

If people sit around waiting long enough for MM to become an issue, then when they get to the gnolls who cast BB, they're going to end up as coleslaw. In groups following the rule, MM is not an issue.

[mediocresurgeon]

I didn't bother reading all the posts before this one (since the next few after the Original Post were not constructive in any way).

You can get 14-minute Nightshield clickies but upgrading your Amulet of the Silver Flame to tier 3, then but upgrading it in the Abbot raid and turning it in for an end reward. (You can also do this with the Emerald Claw version).

I highly recommend doing this on all characters (even casters, since it will save you a spell slot). These items are nonexclusive, and easy to get. I consider them a must-have for any high-end character. Force Missile/Magic Missile might just be an annoyance, but it is easily avoidable.

[Sirea]

For the record, yes, my build is a tempest ranger with only 1 lvl of rogue, so DD and OL cost me 4 of my skill points each level. Throw in search and spot and there is nothing left for UMD.

As I said before, when I have 32-pt unlocked I plan to put those extra 4 points into intelligence using a Greater Reincarnate precisely so I will have the extra skill points to put into UMD but for now I don't and I am choosing not to purchase 32-pt builds because it just seems like something to earn, not buy (same for +2 tomes), but that's just my choice. Heck, if it was possible to pull the greater hearts of wood I probably would not consider buying one of those either. Seems like it means a little more to get these things by playing the game and not by pulling out a credit card. And playing my 28-pt build is giving me an appreciation of how nice having those extra 4 points will be.

I'm guessing the Silver Flame armor is my best bet, I knew it was there but had forgotten about it. Thanks again for all the suggestions.

UMD > Spot

Even Open Lock you only need the initial 4 ranks to get most of the important locks in the game.

[Emili]

On my pure level 20 Kensai I actually use a Silver Flame Chain shirt... I like the looks for lounging around in from time to time.

Anyway, I zone into an instance though put it on cast my nightshield then dress back in Plate of Defender or DT plate... I know I feel a tad self-conscious changing infront of twelve other people but I hate MM also. ;)

[KKDragonLord]

UMD > Spot

Even Open Lock you only need the initial 4 ranks to get most of the important locks in the game.

True