Is it possible for Elf Fighter Kensai to go Arcane Archer?

[Ginetti]

Hi.

Thinking of rolling up an arcane archer. I noticed one of the prereqs is either elf or be ranger.

Could I go Elf Fighter, and get all the nifty bonus stuff for longbows that fighters can get, and still pick up the arcane archer line?

I know in theory this is possible, but after getting all the nice ranger feats like multi shot, precise shot, point blank shot etc etc... will i still have enough feat slots to make the prereqs for kensai?

Furthermore, would this be more powerful at range than a lvl 20 arcane archer pure ranger, considering ranged ranger capstone at 20.

Cheers,

Ginetti

[Robi3.0]

Yes but you will need to take a level in a casting class like bard sorc or wiz. I suggest bard you'll get UMD and use of Cure wounds wands.

[Ginetti]

Will it out dps a pure ranger build?

[Sweyn]

Will it out dps a pure ranger build?

no

[Dylos_Moon]

Will it out dps a pure ranger build?

In ranged combat, its possible, in melee combat, not likely.

[Bosco]

Will it out dps a pure ranger build?

prob with that is ranger gets capstone 25 percent speed bonus to bows, fighters get 10 percent but need to be level 20.

fighter arcane archer can not take mental toughness and stay pure fighter so you end up with a 19 fighter 1 something else to be able to become an arcane archer.

Only way around that is to TR a mage into a fighter then i believe you get the arcane feat and can stay pure.

[Dylos_Moon]

prob with that is ranger gets capstone 25 percent speed bonus to bows, fighters get 10 percent but need to be level 20.

fighter arcane archer can not take mental toughness and stay pure fighter so you end up with a 19 fighter 1 something else to be able to become an arcane archer.

Only way around that is to TR a mage into a fighter then i believe you get the arcane feat and can stay pure.

Yea, you can take the sorcerer past life on a fighter and be pure with Arcane Archer, however you won't have any spell points, and thus all you get from Arcane Archer is +5 returning arrows.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

You need one level of a spell casting class (high enough level to cast spells) to go Arcane Archer.

{Wiz1, Sor1, Brd1, Clr1, Fvs1, Pal4, Rgr4, Drd1(I can dream can't I?)}

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Will it out dps a pure ranger build?

At level 1-19 Yes, a Ftr AA is the best archer.

Level 20 is uncertain. The Ranger capstone is nice.
(but I do not have a Rgr 20 to test, and from what I hear it is not actually +25% speed increase.....more like +12ish. Therefore not sure if the Wep Spec feats and Ftr enhancements will beat it)

However, as the owner of a Ftr archer... nicknamed One-trick-pony.
And the owner of several Rgrs.

It is my opinion that the Rgr is a better all around char. And a darn good archer.

[Arcanoid]

Hi.

Could I go Elf Fighter, and get all the nifty bonus stuff for longbows that fighters can get, and still pick up the arcane archer line?


Ginetti

I think you are limited to only one Prestige Enhancement class. So AA fighter (assuming some way to meet prereq) yes, but not AA - Kensai.

[Taelan]

I think you are limited to only one Prestige Enhancement class. So AA fighter (assuming some way to meet prereq) yes, but not AA - Kensai.

You are able to take multiple PrE's so long as the PrE's are for different classes. So the AA Kensai, being that AA is a ranger line and Kensai is a fighter line, is perfectly legal. of course you will also have to decide which you want to concentrate on as you will not have enough APs to max out each of the PrE lines. (As far as I recall. I haven't tried it myself[AA-Kensai] and I haven't crunched the numbers for those two but I have for other combos)

[Silvershaper]

Of course you will also have to decide which you want to concentrate on as you will not have enough APs to max out each of the PrE lines. (As far as I recall. I haven't tried it myself[AA-Kensai] and I haven't crunched the numbers for those two but I have for other combos)

I don't know much about Kensai, but I have a 20 ranger AA - the PrE line cost is only 11 AP including +5 conjured arrows and all imbues. Not including prereqs though, but those are 2 feats (PBS and WF:R) and arcane spell casting ability (which is not easy to get as a fighter).

[Emili]

At level 1-19 Yes, a Ftr AA is the best archer.

Level 20 is uncertain. The Ranger capstone is nice.
(but I do not have a Rgr 20 to test, and from what I hear it is not actually +25% speed increase.....more like +12ish. Therefore not sure if the Wep Spec feats and Ftr enhancements will beat it)

However, as the owner of a Ftr archer... nicknamed One-trick-pony.
And the owner of several Rgrs.

It is my opinion that the Rgr is a better all around char. And a darn good archer.
AA doe require mana ... how much mana in practice I'm not sure but it does seem to me that the costs for switching arrows in and out can be significant enough to be irritating on a nearly pure less then typical mana class.

[Will_Ferrer]

AA need SP to embue arrows but this shouldnt really be an issue, AA is granted +20 SP and with the Past Life Sorc that should increase your SP to something you can use. So when you first pick the feat you wont gain any sp but when you get AA then you should get all kinds of SP.


The counter for this is that you need magical training but bards do not possess magical training and yet they have SP and can become Arcane Archers themselves.

Its all just a idea but I would like to know if anyone has attempted this yet. It seems pretty flimsy, only because it tough to imagine a pure fighter with a spell point pool

[unbongwah]

You can find a couple of Kensai III AA builds in this thread (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=269669). They might give you some idea of what you can expect.