Found out way to solo Tor :D

[dragonruler]

I managed to beat the system by figuring out how to solo tor.

Step 1) Obtain hireling. preferably cleric so it can heal itself.
Step 2) Place said hireling in box.
Step 3) Cast invisibility on said hireling.
Step 4) Go to other box and firewall the skeles

And that's how you solo the gatekeeper.....now to solo dragons i am currently working on that part. :)

[Ranmaru2]

now to count down until they fix this if it indeed works :p

[dragonruler]

technically it's nothing they should do to fix and if they do i'll gladly give them a few choice words because there is no need to "fix" it.

[Mindspat]

technically it's nothing they should do to fix and if they do i'll gladly give them a few choice words because there is no need to "fix" it.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is changed.

[Mentor61]

now to count down until they fix this if it indeed works :p

It does work,i did it about 3 weeks ago on cannith the very same way.the skellies bunch up and attack you when gate goes down.

[Minor_Threat]

I think finding ways to complete quests that are not intended but are not an exploit are part of the flavor of Dungeons & Dragons. But that's just me.

I think fixing it is not necessary and if they do it will be another case of skewed priorities.

[KKDragonLord]

Not an exploit, everything works as it should, Nice job =)

[zztophat]

I think finding ways to complete quests that are not intended but are not an exploit are part of the flavor of Dungeons & Dragons. But that's just me.

I think fixing it is not necessary and if they do it will be another case of skewed priorities.


That is not just you, as a PnP DM and GM in multiple systems (favorite being M&M as opposed to D&D) I enjoy it when my players think outside the box and think of things I didn't think of myself. In fact I think this game could use a lot more dungeons that can be done "differently".


This is not a "problem" that should be "fixed" by something as hamfisted as simply making the area harder, or turning the skeletons in to giant blackbone skeletons (take that firewall!) nor should it fixed by adjusting the AI to see invisibility (it's already broken as far as finding invisible goes already). If the devs really do have a problem with people doing it this way, they should at least try to think of a solution that doesn't make this quest a "only one way to do it right".



EDIT: Also, invisibility can be cat on coyle in threnal after you knock him, so things will leave him alone, this really does not need fixing, because it makes perfect sense as a tactic.

[Babumbalaboo]

That's all fine and dandy, but how do you get the hireling to pull the lever on the other side of the map to even get into the gatekeeper's room? I tried it once, and partway across, the lever disappeared from my focus orb and I couldn't get my hireling to activate it while I was activating mine.

Anyway... aside from all that, I'd have to say that yes; this is an exploit, but as far as exploits go, it's an incredibly minor one. A Level 20 not being able to solo a Level 14 quest on casual difficulty because of a technicality is not something that I would call gamebreaking. Having them jump through hoops just to be able to do that isn't exploitation so much as inconvenience.

[Hatguy]

Nothing wrong with this in my opinion. Unintended maybe. No different in my mind whatsoever to invising the giants in madstone. Besides in Tor you will eventually have to deal with all the skeletons at once when the barriers come down.

[Lithic]

That's all fine and dandy, but how do you get the hireling to pull the lever on the other side of the map to even get into the gatekeeper's room? I tried it once, and partway across, the lever disappeared from my focus orb and I couldn't get my hireling to activate it while I was activating mine.



I haven't tried this, but I would expect you could see just how far you could get without the lever disappearing, then pull the lever at the edge of that zone. Then with haste, you should be able to make it in time to hit other lever.

[ragwa1]

I managed to beat the system by figuring out how to solo tor.

Step 1) Obtain hireling. preferably cleric so it can heal itself.
Step 2) Place said hireling in box.
Step 3) Cast invisibility on said hireling.
Step 4) Go to other box and firewall the skeles

And that's how you solo the gatekeeper.....now to solo dragons i am currently working on that part. :)

That's not soloing...

[dragonruler]

That's not soloing...

Actually yes it is. The only thing i used the hireling for was to pull levers and stand in a box. other than that it served no other purpose. And hireling or not i was the only actual "player" involved in the quest so it is technically solo'ing.



Ok so basic run through of how to do the double doors.

You need to have enough time to reach your lever within the time limit given so here is what I did.

Step 1) Place hireling about halfway between the two levers.
Step 2) Go to one side and place lever in focus orb.
Step 3) Run to other lever and right before the first lever leaves your focus orb have the hireling use the targeted lever.
Step 4) Arrive at your lever and pull it.
Step 5) Continue to clear and do gatekeeper portion.

[7-day_Trial_Monkey]

I just did this on my sorc with a barb hireling. The advice above is correct. Target a lever and move as far away as you can with it still targeted. Then tell your hireling to use it. While he is now running to that lever, you run to the other one.

I tried the black dragon fight but ran out of sp before I figured out a way that should work. The giant heals it way to fast, but I came up with a plan towards the end and got the dragon down to about 20% health when I ran out of sp.

[zztophat]

I just did this on my sorc with a barb hireling. The advice above is correct. Target a lever and move as far away as you can with it still targeted. Then tell your hireling to use it. While he is now running to that lever, you run to the other one.

I tried the black dragon fight but ran out of sp before I figured out a way that should work. The giant heals it way to fast, but I came up with a plan towards the end and got the dragon down to about 20% health when I ran out of sp.


Seems to me that this could be run by carrying a healthy supply of SP pots, as can most of the game content.

Having to run an almost stupid number of lesser quests in the hopes of pulling a dozen SP pots seems like a fair trade, as far as difficulty goes, to being able to run a raid like Tor solo. I'll test this myself after I've gathered a few.

[dragonruler]

I tried the black dragon fight but ran out of sp before I figured out a way that should work. The giant heals it way to fast, but I came up with a plan towards the end and got the dragon down to about 20% health when I ran out of sp.

All you need to do is get the giant down to about 30% and keep firewalls on the black dragon as well as hitting it with fire spells. Then when you see the giant throwing heals on the dragon kill the giant (be sure to use aoe spells like cone of cold to keep putting damage on the dragon) because he'll be too busy healing the dragon he won't heal himself. Then once the giant is down finish off the dragon and you're golden. You shouldn't need to use any pots if you do it this way. I managed to do it on my wizard no problem.

[ragwa1]

Actually yes it is. The only thing i used the hireling for was to pull levers and stand in a box. other than that it served no other purpose. And hireling or not i was the only actual "player" involved in the quest so it is technically solo'ing.



Ok so basic run through of how to do the double doors.

You need to have enough time to reach your lever within the time limit given so here is what I did.

Step 1) Place hireling about halfway between the two levers.
Step 2) Go to one side and place lever in focus orb.
Step 3) Run to other lever and right before the first lever leaves your focus orb have the hireling use the targeted lever.
Step 4) Arrive at your lever and pull it.
Step 5) Continue to clear and do gatekeeper portion.

That's not soloing...

You are not grasping the concept of the word "solo".
You were not the only one "involved" in the quest.
Solo" is singular.
It means, ALONE.

[stainer]

That's not soloing...

You are not grasping the concept of the word "solo".
You were not the only one "involved" in the quest.
Solo" is singular.
It means, ALONE.

You are technically correct, although everyone that is reading this thread understands what the OP meant with the word solo. Thank you for popping in and clarifying the definition for us.

[Pfold]

That's not soloing...

You are not grasping the concept of the word "solo".
You were not the only one "involved" in the quest.
Solo" is singular.
It means, ALONE.

If he's the only player in the zone he's soloing. Sorry, you can try to argue semantics all day and will still lose.

According to you, if I summon something (let's say a hound or stone ele clickie, or an ooze guard procs), I'm not soloing. That's incorrect.

Do you see where we're coming from now?

[cdemeritt]

That's not soloing...

You are not grasping the concept of the word "solo".
You were not the only one "involved" in the quest.
Solo" is singular.
It means, ALONE.


Wow.... While I slightly agree, I have a hard time calling using a hireling soloing.... I wonder how you'd react to my frequent duel box soloing (2 accounts) using 2 playable toons, 2 hirelings, and 2 summons... almost like having a full party... can get a little chaotic at times... but, only me at the controls......

[magnus1]

I managed to beat the system by figuring out how to solo tor.

Step 1) Obtain hireling. preferably cleric so it can heal itself.
Step 2) Place said hireling in box.
Step 3) Cast invisibility on said hireling.
Step 4) Go to other box and firewall the skeles

And that's how you solo the gatekeeper.....now to solo dragons i am currently working on that part. :)



so only wizards and sorcerers can solo how about my rogue how does he do it?

[Diarden]

If he's the only player in the zone he's soloing. Sorry, you can try to argue semantics all day and will still lose.

According to you, if I summon something (let's say a hound or stone ele clickie, or an ooze guard procs), I'm not soloing. That's incorrect.

Do you see where we're coming from now?

Lets be a little more clear...

When you have a group window with targetable "players", then you are not soloing. A hireling is an NPC "Non Player Character," yet takes a slot in the party window.

For those of you that are staying with this logic, if you summon a hireling, it takes up 1 spot in your group. You cannot invite 5 additional players into your group should a hireling be present. You can have an ooze puppet or summoned monster out, however summoned monsters do not heal, have buffs or cast ressurection.

A hireling does not make a feat solo. A hireling is a computer/player controlled toon. Tor cannot be "soloed," however it can be done by yourself.

[jcTharin]

Wow.... While I slightly agree, I have a hard time calling using a hireling soloing.... I wonder how you'd react to my frequent duel box soloing (2 accounts) using 2 playable toons, 2 hirelings, and 2 summons... almost like having a full party... can get a little chaotic at times... but, only me at the controls......

you should go all the way. have 4 summons and an undead minion and an iron defender or two from the enhancements...

your own tiny army!

[Cupcake]

All you need to do is get the giant down to about 30% and keep firewalls on the black dragon as well as hitting it with fire spells. Then when you see the giant throwing heals on the dragon kill the giant (be sure to use aoe spells like cone of cold to keep putting damage on the dragon) because he'll be too busy healing the dragon he won't heal himself. Then once the giant is down finish off the dragon and you're golden. You shouldn't need to use any pots if you do it this way. I managed to do it on my wizard no problem.

Thats because you are special. :D

Im not familiar enough with Tor to attempt this. I am not sure where the levers are.

Also, as far as the boxes go, if you put the hireling in the one box then go to the other, how do the skellies on the hireling side get to you so you can kill them? I thought they had to be done at the same time?

[RobbinB]

That's not soloing...

You are not grasping the concept of the word "solo".
You were not the only one "involved" in the quest.
Solo" is singular.
It means, ALONE.

No, he grasps the concept fine. To him solo means that he is the only actual PC in the quest, hirelings used just to pull levers are no different than summoned creatures for example.

Just because you might define "solo" different with respect to DDO, don't put that on him.

[cdemeritt]

Lets be a little more clear...

When you have a group window with targetable "players", then you are not soloing. A hireling is an NPC "Non Player Character," yet takes a slot in the party window.

For those of you that are staying with this logic, if you summon a hireling, it takes up 1 spot in your group. You cannot invite 5 additional players into your group should a hireling be present. You can have an ooze puppet or summoned monster out, however summoned monsters do not heal, have buffs or cast ressurection.

A hireling does not make a feat solo. A hireling is a computer/player controlled toon. Tor cannot be "soloed," however it can be done by yourself.

Look, If you are that stuck on semantics... you are taking this way way to seriously... With Dungeon Scaling, Hirelings, etc... solo is nothing like it used to be... calling it soloing or not, he found a way to do tor by himself... to me this is soloing reguardless of how... Everything else is a great big Whatever....

[Bobthesponge]

why is everyone arguing over the term "solo"? This was a nice accomplishment by the OP to complete a quest that was designed to be completed by more than one player. well done! does he not get brownie points because he used a hireling to be in two places at once? who gives a sh!t?

in other news, why are people complaining that they can't solo everything? on second thought, i'll just post that as another thread. look for it, boys and girls!

[Cupcake]

Look, If you are that stuck on semantics... you are taking this way way to seriously... With Dungeon Scaling, Hirelings, etc... solo is nothing like it used to be... calling it soloing or not, he found a way to do tor by himself... to me this is soloing reguardless of how... Everything else is a great big Whatever....

^^What he said.

Why are some people making a big deal out of the "solo" aspect?

In my opinion, going in alone, hireling or otherwise, you are soloing. As previously stated, he did it alone.

[Cupcake]

why is everyone arguing over the term "solo"? This was a nice accomplishment by the OP to complete a quest that was designed to be completed by more than one player. well done! does he not get brownie points because he used a hireling to be in two places at once? who gives a sh!t?

in other news, why are people complaining that they can't solo everything? on second thought, i'll just post that as another thread. look for it, boys and girls!

**Me LOL. I complain all the time that I can't solo everything. I wouldn't be happy if I didn't have SOMETHING to complain about. :D

[Yazston_the_Invoker]

^^What he said.

Why are some people making a big deal out of the "solo" aspect?

In my opinion, going in alone, hireling or otherwise, you are soloing. As previously stated, he did it alone.

Agreed...don't know why someone had to dig up this thread that was dead for over a month just to argue that...

I don't care if I have one hireling, or 2 hirelings and 3 pets, as far as I'm concerned, if I am the only PC in the quest, I solo'd it. It's not a competition, and I do not care if anyone agrees, and I'm sure the OP would agree. No reason to argue semantics and opinions, especially when those originally involved considered the matter closed for 40+ days...

[Cupcake]

Agreed...don't know why someone had to dig up this thread that was dead for over a month just to argue that...

I don't care if I have one hireling, or 2 hirelings and 3 pets, as far as I'm concerned, if I am the only PC in the quest, I solo'd it. It's not a competition, and I do not care if anyone agrees, and I'm sure the OP would agree. No reason to argue semantics and opinions, especially when those originally involved considered the matter closed for 40+ days...

Ooh thanks. Didn't notice this was a necro'ed thread.

[Bobthesponge]

**Me LOL. I complain all the time that I can't solo everything. I wouldn't be happy if I didn't have SOMETHING to complain about. :D

mmmm... cupcakes...

[7-day_Trial_Monkey]

*necro fail*

[Xeraphim]

I managed to beat the system by figuring out how to solo tor.

Step 1) Obtain hireling. preferably cleric so it can heal itself.

Duo.

Solo is literally alone.

[RobbinB]

Duo.

Solo is literally alone.

Yep.

Any caster who completes a quest using a summoned creature did not solo the quest, since they didn't do it alone.

Any quest involving useless pikers like "coyle" can never be soloed, since they are on your side so you aren't alone.

If a caster uses wail of banshee in a quest, then the quest wasn't soloed, because the banshee is actually the equivalent of a summoned creatured and hence the caster wasn't alone.

[Yajerman01]

Duo.

Solo is literally alone.


Solo is sometimes alone but most of the time he is with Chewy!
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:gJvpDr-K3tEJzM:http://acct.tamu.edu/smith/starwars/Chewbacca_w_Han_Solo_ANH.jpg (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://acct.tamu.edu/smith/starwars/Chewbacca_w_Han_Solo_ANH.jpg&imgrefurl=http://acct.tamu.edu/smith/starwars/starwars.htm&usg=__0mcD8qiNu6dE6zhDcCiWwdqx0HU=&h=480&w=640&sz=73&hl=en&start=9&sig2=YqTIKvjnsOy9TEDPmfdldQ&itbs=1&tbnid=gJvpDr-K3tEJzM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhans%2Bsolo%26hl%3Den%26gbv%3D2%26tbs %3Disch:1&ei=tJzYS5DANMeh_gbylITpBg)

[Cupcake]

I am in disagreement with this argument re: to solo or not to solo with regard to hirelines and summoned monsters. They are not "real" party members.

If you are going to go that way about this, then the same can be said for charming/suggesting mobs. Once you charm/suggest them, you are saying
that you are no longer soloing said quest because you have "company".

Sounds a little silly to me. Solo means you had no other party members there to help you. Summoned/charmed/suggested/hirelines.............don't count. In my opinion.

[Yajerman01]

Solo means you had no other party members there to help you. Summoned/charmed/suggested/hirelines.............don't count. In my opinion.


and therein lies the truth. I endorse Cupcakes statement and second it.

[stormarcher]

Go to youtube and search "ukenburger" its Mr.cow a.k.a mr solo'er ( is that a word solo'er? ) then he solo's it on his monk with a cleric hireling. He solo's the gatekeepers and the dragon part

[Dirac]

Solo mainly means two different things to members of the DDO community.

1. Achievement Solo: I did this without any help, isn't that cool.
2. Functionally Solo: I did not need help from another human to do this.

The first is important to some because it is an accomplishment. They set a personal challenge and did it. Obviously, they care about the definition of solo, because it cheapens the accomplishment. The second is important to those who solo because of RL reasons. It doesn't matter how it is achieved: hireling, dual box, etc. What matters is finding out how to do things without grouping, because they often cannot group.

Both points of view are valid, as long as people are clear on your PoV.

[Diarden]

Solo mainly means two different things to members of the DDO community.

1. Achievement Solo: I did this without any help, isn't that cool.
2. Functionally Solo: I did not need help from another human to do this.

The first is important to some because it is an accomplishment. They set a personal challenge and did it. Obviously, they care about the definition of solo, because it cheapens the accomplishment. The second is important to those who solo because of RL reasons. It doesn't matter how it is achieved: hireling, dual box, etc. What matters is finding out how to do things without grouping, because they often cannot group.

Both points of view are valid, as long as people are clear on your PoV.

I agree with this 100%. Each person has their own opinion, and I can respect that.

When I solo something, it is me alone and no one else. I do not have outside influences helping me. The reason I feel a hireling cheapens the "solo" experience is if I die, I can summon the hireling to my aid to rez me. If I am a melee or caster, I can use the hireling to heal me as I wade into battle. It is not a full on solo experience.


Do me a favor. Go to the harbor and find a solo quest. Go inside. Now summon a hireling.

Enough said.

[Salsa]

I have been in a few parties that it would of been a lot easier by myself. Does that count? Kind of playing golf with a handicap.

[lutherl]

Solo mainly means two different things to members of the DDO community.

1. Achievement Solo: I did this without any help, isn't that cool.
2. Functionally Solo: I did not need help from another human to do this.

The first is important to some because it is an accomplishment. They set a personal challenge and did it. Obviously, they care about the definition of solo, because it cheapens the accomplishment. The second is important to those who solo because of RL reasons. It doesn't matter how it is achieved: hireling, dual box, etc. What matters is finding out how to do things without grouping, because they often cannot group.

Both points of view are valid, as long as people are clear on your PoV.

Now why would you have to go and post something reasonable like that? There's good drama in this thread and you're deliberately killing it! Two sides endlessly arguing over a position that nobody is going to give ground on can really make a slow afternoon at work fly by!

[Diarden]

I just want to know if these folks that consider summoning a hireling can try to summon a hireling in a Solo setting quest. Really, its bothering me.

Someone try it =)

[Dirac]

Now why would you have to go and post something reasonable like that? There's good drama in this thread and you're deliberately killing it! Two sides endlessly arguing over a position that nobody is going to give ground on can really make a slow afternoon at work fly by!

Ooh, Good point. Remind me when I get enough rep and I'll neg rep myself for doing this. :)

[hockeyrama]

I think they should actually make a solo option. What I mean is that you pick solo option as a checkbox and then can solo any dungeon. The only difference woulb be that with solo checked off the need to have a hireling or another person there to stand on circle, or some other requirement is removed. They could lower the xp award if they want. The reason is that a hireling counts as a person or better to say half a person in a dungeon. IF I need to take a hireling with me to have him stand in one spot just because I can't open a section or do something without him doing that then it means it is an adventure that cannot be solo's in the most complete meaning of the word.

If you need a hireling the dungeon level counter is now increased and it is not fair to those who are trying to solo everything that they need to be penalized for having to keep an extra player (even a hireling) to complete something. Maybe they can change it so in the solo mode (not difficulty as I still solo on elite difficutly just want a solo option for ones that currently cannot be solo'd) you have to do something extra to make it work. As long as it is possible to solo by myself with no hireling then I am good.

Also, does anyone have a list of all the ones that you currently cannot completely solo (no hireling). I need it for a challenge i am doing where you have to level to 20 without usuing a hireling (another thread). I just want to know so I don't buy a pack for an adventure I cannot solo.

I mean think of DnD in a broader sense it about a famous or heroic adventuring going out and taking on the world. Historically many of these mythical people where able to do great things all by themself and that was part of the fame. Picture having Hercules being told that he has to bring a little cleric or something to follow him around and then stand on a circle so he can go slay a earth demon. It should be possible (many very difficult) but possible to solo.

[Uska]

technically it's nothing they should do to fix and if they do i'll gladly give them a few choice words because there is no need to "fix" it.

Not everything needs to be solo'd and I would think it needs to be fixed but thats me

[Uska]

If he's the only player in the zone he's soloing. Sorry, you can try to argue semantics all day and will still lose.

According to you, if I summon something (let's say a hound or stone ele clickie, or an ooze guard procs), I'm not soloing. That's incorrect.

Do you see where we're coming from now?

not the samething but I do applaud the op's ingenuity I dont like that its possible but to me its not solo but still a good trick

[Uska]

No, he grasps the concept fine. To him solo means that he is the only actual PC in the quest, hirelings used just to pull levers are no different than summoned creatures for example.

Just because you might define "solo" different with respect to DDO, don't put that on him.

Webster would likely go with him and not the op as solo does mean alone.

[lutherl]

Meh.

He was the only player in the zone. SOLO!

More than one character in the zone. NOT SOLO!

He was the only player in the zone. SOLO!

More than one character in the zone. NOT SOLO!

Rabbit Season!

Duck Season!

RABBIT SEASON!

DUCK SEASON!

[hecate355]

Seems to me that this could be run by carrying a healthy supply of SP pots, as can most of the game content.

Having to run an almost stupid number of lesser quests in the hopes of pulling a dozen SP pots seems like a fair trade, as far as difficulty goes, to being able to run a raid like Tor solo. I'll test this myself after I've gathered a few.

I dont think many ppl do it that way. Popping in ddo store/AH looks like more likely action. Fun thing is that you can do heck of a lot more with mana pots as caster than with any kind of pots as melee. Every1 keeps talking about how limited casters SP is, but is it really? Melees are more limited while not being limited :D

[hockeyrama]

difference with soloing. If you are the only player in the zone you are solo if you do not use a hireling. I hireling is different then a clickie. A clickie, a summoned dog, or troll is somehting that your character has in spells or items that is basically for all intensive purpose part of your ability (if a spell) or your gear. This type of action does not affect the dungeon level rating as it is not an extra person or something acting like a person. It is a creature that you summon.

A hireling is a contract with a person (yes it not a player in the game but it is a person classified as a NPC (non-player character) in the game). This contract is for a stated amount of time. The person you have the contract with is not a real life person but they are something that you can command and even then it still makes it's own mind on how to do your command. Think of it as a specialist you ask to do something for you and it will follow your lead. YOu have no control over summoned creatures they just do what they think.

So if you use a hireling even Turbine considers it not soloing so they change the dungeon level. If you use a clikie they do not change the dungeon level as it is considered soloing.

However, people will argue about if the sky is blue or a lighter shade of purple so I know everyone will have their opinion. I think it best to go by turbines own value of soloing. If they count something as increasing the dungeon level as if more players are playing then it is not soloing. If they leave it the same then you are soloing.

[Vua]

Webster would likely go with him and not the op as solo does mean alone.

Strike up a conversation or give verbal directions to the hireling. If he does what you tell him to do I'll consider him a party member. If not I'd say you're solo.

Actually I think you should ask webster about using autopilots when soloing. Like maybe this.

"A 16-year-old Southern California girl attempting to sail solo around the world has ended her quest to become the youngest to make the trip nonstop and will head to South Africa for boat repairs.

Abby Sunderland wrote on her blog Saturday that it she could not keep going after losing use of her boat's main autopilot. She expected to land in Cape Town in about two weeks."

See. Abby there is getting help from an "NPC" and the world considers it soloing.

[Diarden]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/Warath/ScreenShot00001-1.jpg

Hirelings do NOT make your dungeon crawl solo. Now ****.

[Vua]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y53/Warath/ScreenShot00001-1.jpg

Hirelings do NOT make your dungeon crawl solo. Now ****.

You sure will go through a lot of effort just to be an *******. What else can we get you to do? I know. Maybe your hireling is just too high for that quest. I think you should try the high level solo quest on the island. You know the one in the IQ area. Let us know please. Thank you. :D

[RobbinB]

Solo mainly means two different things to members of the DDO community.

1. Achievement Solo: I did this without any help, isn't that cool.
2. Functionally Solo: I did not need help from another human to do this.

The first is important to some because it is an accomplishment. They set a personal challenge and did it. Obviously, they care about the definition of solo, because it cheapens the accomplishment. The second is important to those who solo because of RL reasons. It doesn't matter how it is achieved: hireling, dual box, etc. What matters is finding out how to do things without grouping, because they often cannot group.

Both points of view are valid, as long as people are clear on your PoV.

So based on the original op, is it not crystal clear which PoV the poster has?

[Diarden]

You sure will go through a lot of effort just to be an *******. What else can we get you to do? I know. Maybe your hireling is just too high for that quest. I think you should try the high level solo quest on the island. You know the one in the IQ area. Let us know please. Thank you. :D

Does it sting when you're proven wrong? I'm just wondering how it feels.

[Vua]

Does it sting when you're proved wrong? I'm just wondering how it feels.

I knew what the answer was before you ever wasted your time doing it. I have no interest in proving you wrong using a game mechanic. Actually I usually have no interest in proving people wrong on here at all. It's not worth my time. I know you're wrong and that's enough for me. But here, I'll repost this. See no in game mechanic forbidding it, it's soloing with outside help from an NPC.


"A 16-year-old Southern California girl attempting to sail solo around the world has ended her quest to become the youngest to make the trip nonstop and will head to South Africa for boat repairs.

Abby Sunderland wrote on her blog Saturday that it she could not keep going after losing use of her boat's main autopilot. She expected to land in Cape Town in about two weeks."

Have a nice day. :D

[Diarden]

I knew what the answer was before you ever wasted your time doing it. I have no interest in proving you wrong using a game mechanic. Actually I usually have no interest in proving people wrong on here at all. It's not worth my time. I know you're wrong and that's enough for me. But here, I'll repost this. See no in game mechanic forbidding it, it's soloing with outside help from an NPC.



Have a nice day. :D

I can understand the reasoning for your post, so let me make a rebuttle.

The 16 year old girl was too stupid to know how to read a nautical map nor use a compass, thus why she had autopilot. That being said, someone who claims to solo a quest and uses a hireling is stupid.

Thank you for that logic.

[DiAGO77]

now To Count Down Until They Fix This If It Indeed Works :p

+1

[Vua]

I can understand the reasoning for your post, so let me make a rebuttle.

The 16 year old girl was too stupid to know how to read a nautical map nor use a compass, thus why she had autopilot. That being said, someone who claims to solo a quest and uses a hireling is stupid.

Thank you for that logic.

So do I need to now find the article about he person who actually has the record for youngest solo non-stop trip around the world and show you that he used an autopilot too?

See, I have no interest in doing something like that. I only used that other article because I happened to be reading it yesterday and knew right where to find it. But don't you worry, I don't feel the need to prove you wrong to know I'm right. I'm prefectly happy just the way it is.

Enjoy the rest of your evening. :D

[Primalhowl]

I can accept the argument that "soloing" is only truly soloing if you do not use charms, summons, or hirelings as long as it is agreed that certain dungeons are therefore impossible to solo.

Which then begs the question... if I FtS/fascinate/hold/otherwise immobilize an enemy in place and use his statue to activate a pressure plate, am I still soloing? I have the assistance of the mob in completing a task in the dungeon which is effectively the same as charming said mob or summoning a hireling and having them stand in place...

[hockeyrama]

I can accept the argument that "soloing" is only truly soloing if you do not use charms, summons, or hirelings as long as it is agreed that certain dungeons are therefore impossible to solo.

Which then begs the question... if I FtS/fascinate/hold/otherwise immobilize an enemy in place and use his statue to activate a pressure plate, am I still soloing? I have the assistance of the mob in completing a task in the dungeon which is effectively the same as charming said mob or summoning a hireling and having them stand in place...

I don't count summons as interfering as they are not considered party members (like a hireling). It is like casting a spell so it is still soloing. However, if you look at my post earlier I agreed that some dungeons are inded impossible to solo and that is why i suggested that this be changed that there should be some way to allow solo players to complete these dungeons.

[Diarden]

So do I need to now find the article about he person who actually has the record for youngest solo non-stop trip around the world and show you that he used an autopilot too?

See, I have no interest in doing something like that. I only used that other article because I happened to be reading it yesterday and knew right where to find it. But don't you worry, I don't feel the need to prove you wrong to know I'm right. I'm prefectly happy just the way it is.

Enjoy the rest of your evening. :D

You must be in the same boat as I listed above. By your rationale, the other person didn't really solo sail around the world because he used Auto-pilot, just like the OP did not Solo Tor because he used a hireling.

[vettkinn]

What's this? The OP clearly forgot to mention my uber guide:

~ Gianthold Tor - A solo guide (HD) ~ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFtMhses6hU)

[Yajerman01]

Just for the record autopilot is used so the person can sleep not because she is stupid or does not know how to read a nautical map or compass.

On a personal note - your insulting a 16 year old who has accomplished more to do with sailing at her age then most people do in a lifetime.

I do not know your experience in sailing, regardless, your commentary or hack at someone elses accomplishment(s) in order to justify your position is unwarranted.

You stay classy Diarden

[Diarden]

Just for the record autopilot is used so the person can sleep not because she is stupid or does not know how to read a nautical map or compass.

On a personal note - your insulting a 16 year old who has accomplished more to do with sailing at her age then most people do in a lifetime.

I do not know your experience in sailing, regardless, your commentary or hack at someone elses accomplishment(s) in order to justify your position is unwarranted.

You stay classy Diarden

He was using a 16 year old girl as an analogy to prove his point that a hireling does not count as an extra person. I was showing the hole in his argument.

Learn to interpret my cynical approach. Grow a thicker skin.

[Yajerman01]

He was using a 16 year old girl as an analogy to prove his point that a hireling does not count as an extra person. I was showing the hole in his argument.

Learn to interpret my cynical approach. Grow a thicker skin.

Skin isnt the issue - dont contort your tastless diatribe to proove such by fecklessly attacking a sailors abilities to which you are ignorant of. Learn how to tactifully argue before you come to a conclusion.

[Ganolyn]

Strike up a conversation or give verbal directions to the hireling. If he does what you tell him to do I'll consider him a party member. If not I'd say you're solo.

Actually I think you should ask webster about using autopilots when soloing. Like maybe this.

"A 16-year-old Southern California girl attempting to sail solo around the world has ended her quest to become the youngest to make the trip nonstop and will head to South Africa for boat repairs.

Abby Sunderland wrote on her blog Saturday that it she could not keep going after losing use of her boat's main autopilot. She expected to land in Cape Town in about two weeks."

See. Abby there is getting help from an "NPC" and the world considers it soloing.


Actually I believe she is getting help from "GPS". (Just wanted to keep up with the nitpicking Jones' :p)

[Cupcake]

and therein lies the truth. I endorse Cupcakes statement and second it.

Hands you yer cupcakes.

[Cupcake]

He was using a 16 year old girl as an analogy to prove his point that a hireling does not count as an extra person. I was showing the hole in his argument.

Learn to interpret my cynical approach. Grow a thicker skin.

People have been saying that to me for 50 years. Literally. Hasn't happened yet, and I doubt it ever will.

[Missing_Minds]

Learn to interpret my cynical approach. Grow a thicker skin.

So that is your answer? Blame others for your own inability to make a more mature response?

[JayDubya]

I can understand the reasoning for your post, so let me make a rebuttle.


Heh. Irony.

Anyways, on to the argument:

Generally speaking, people do not consider robots to be sufficiently advanced to count as participants in an activity. For example, if I were to fly around the world in a one-seater airplane, people would say I did it "solo" even if there was an autopilot in the plane.

Now, let's go a bit farther - imagine that the autopilot is built like a human, more or less. For example, Otto from Airplane! But other than that, he's exactly the same as the current autopilot.

Now, I need a two-seater plane to hold the autopilot. But, it turns out that I can't get a two-seater that week. But they do have a 6-seater plane. So I put Otto Pilot in the co-pilot's chair. But I'm the only human being in the plane - the other 4 seats are empty.

Now the question is - did I fly around the world solo?

Almost all people would say "yes". The robot autopilot simply does not count, even if he takes up one of the six seats on the plane.

In fact, if you were to accomplish this - fly a six-seater plane around the world with no other human, and I were to argue with you about whether this feat met the definition of the word 'solo' because the autopilot took up a seat on the plane, you would probably become quite upset, and you would wonder why I was trying to diminish your accomplishment. You would wonder about my emotional maturity, and suspect that I had Asperger's syndrome, or perhaps even low-level autism.

[Elfvyra]

So do I need to now find the article about he person who actually has the record for youngest solo non-stop trip around the world and show you that he used an autopilot too?

See, I have no interest in doing something like that. I only used that other article because I happened to be reading it yesterday and knew right where to find it. But don't you worry, I don't feel the need to prove you wrong to know I'm right. I'm prefectly happy just the way it is.

Enjoy the rest of your evening. :D

Vua, relax hon. You're mixing the RL and a Fantasy MMORPG up together. An autopilot is not an NPC in a game.

But back to the thread. Thanks for the info! I'm going to have to see if I can "solo" it with 5 of my hirelings and 6 summoned pets now. Would be more pets but I haven't made my Ooze Guard yet.... ;)

[Vua]

Actually I believe she is getting help from "GPS". (Just wanted to keep up with the nitpicking Jones' :p)

In that case send a letter to the author of that article or the guy that invented the "autopilot" for a boat. I just yanked a quote from an article.



Heh. Irony.

Anyways, on to the argument:

Generally speaking, people do not consider robots to be sufficiently advanced to count as participants in an activity. For example, if I were to fly around the world in a one-seater airplane, people would say I did it "solo" even if there was an autopilot in the plane.

Now, let's go a bit farther - imagine that the autopilot is built like a human, more or less. For example, Otto from Airplane! But other than that, he's exactly the same as the current autopilot.

Now, I need a two-seater plane to hold the autopilot. But, it turns out that I can't get a two-seater that week. But they do have a 6-seater plane. So I put Otto Pilot in the co-pilot's chair. But I'm the only human being in the plane - the other 4 seats are empty.

Now the question is - did I fly around the world solo?

Almost all people would say "yes". The robot autopilot simply does not count, even if he takes up one of the six seats on the plane.

In fact, if you were to accomplish this - fly a six-seater plane around the world with no other human, and I were to argue with you about whether this feat met the definition of the word 'solo' because the autopilot took up a seat on the plane, you would probably become quite upset, and you would wonder why I was trying to diminish your accomplishment. You would wonder about my emotional maturity, and suspect that I had Asperger's syndrome, or perhaps even low-level autism.

And since we are are nitpicking, did you mean high functioning autistic, as in one step below Aspergers? :D

I must say that your make believe story about an airplane makes a much better point than my article piece about sailing. I would like to point out though that if I vote which is closer to soloing, using an autopilot or using a hireling in this game, it's using a hireling for sure. Autopilots are much more helpful.

[Vua]

Vua, relax hon. You're mixing the RL and a Fantasy MMORPG up together. An autopilot is not an NPC in a game.

But back to the thread. Thanks for the info! I'm going to have to see if I can "solo" it with 5 of my hirelings and 6 summoned pets now. Would be more pets but I haven't made my Ooze Guard yet.... ;)

I'm totally relaxed and never mix up fantasy and real life. In this case the definition of solo doesn't change because I'm in a game, a plane, on a boat or some gaming forums.

And to be honest, I really don't care what Diarden thinks anyway. I was just bored waiting for dinner to cook last night, and I didn't like his tone, so I picked a fight. I thought it was great that he would actually sign into the game and run to a dungeon to try and summon a hireling and then come back here and post a screen shot just to try and prove his point on a forum.

And just so you know that's totally soloing. :D

Oh yeah. And since I learned that saying comrade will **** off half the population of these forums, I think I'm going to start saying that too. I should have thought of that 4 years ago.

Have a nice day Comrades.