Race change without Full Reincarnate.

[Goregnash]

What is the purpose of restricting race change to full reincarnation only? Allowing class change has a major impact on your character and can change the entire dynamic of your gameplay where race change has a much more suddle effect to your characters "style" of combat.

I would argue that reincarnation would be more suitable for race change rather than class. Reincarnation into a new body wouldnt necessarily teach you a plethora of new skills which you never knew in your past life but could potentially enhance the physical and mental capacity of the (race) body you were to reincarnate into.

Yes this is a gripe/request thread. lol. I want to race change without having to full reincarnate.

[Sarnind]

/signed

[donfilibuster]

Some bg, not entirely off topic...

The 'reincarnation' word is deceiptive here, but goes for simplicity, perhaps rebirth is a better word.
PnP used 'retraining' when it came to reset stats, feats and skills.

PHBII has the retraining and mentions the difference changing class from changing race.
On races, the Savage Species showed up how to change race, often level by level, including the Wish method.

All this typically involved a ritual of some sort and the hearts of wood are just like this.
Magic alone is deemed not enough, such as with Wish still requiring special steps or multiple castings.
Even the original reincarnation spell was nowhere near giving you the respec you want.

In DDO thus, changing race would be on the same lines as the new way for alignment change.
In the end the guy that handles the hear of wood just calls it reincarnation and send you off to a new life depending on the heart you give him.

[Delar303]

Any updates on being able to change your race without true reincarnate?

[Cratecrusher]

None that I know of.

[sirgog]

/signed.

This should be a part of Greater Reincarnation, but not a part of Lesser Reincarnation.

[Autolycus]

/signed

[Mast3rR0b]

/signed

[thekamurai]

/signed

[Rav'n]

/signed.

This should be a part of Greater Reincarnation, but not a part of Lesser Reincarnation.

/Sign on THIS ^^^

[TFPAQ]

/signed

[Noctus]

/signed.

This should be a part of Greater Reincarnation, but not a part of Lesser Reincarnation.


/signed.

More reasons to pay the upprice from LR.

[Autolycus]

/signed.

This should be a part of Greater Reincarnation, but not a part of Lesser Reincarnation.

I respectfully disagree. I don't see why changing race should require a Greater Reincarnation. As far as I can tell, Greater Reincarnation costs more since it upgrades a 28 point character to a 32 point character. If you want to change the race of an existing 32 point character, why should you have to pay the upgrade cost again? That's just double dipping. Therefore, I think it should either be a part of Lesser Reincarnation or sold as a separate entity, like an alignment change.

Edit:

After I've thought about it, I'm more of the opinion that it should be sold as a separate item so it doesn't force someone to pay for a reincarnation if they only want to change race. However, I also believe the option to change your race should be included in all flavors of reincarnation (Lesser, Greater, and True).

[Benjai]

I don't know why this isn't already in game as its own item like faction changes. Turbine stands to make a buttload of money when half-orc comes out.

[FluffyCalico]

If you want to change your race you have to TR. I doubt it will change as think of all the money and busy time people are going to get TRing into the new races. If you can just blink and oh look a 20 orc that kinda defeats the purpose of keeping us busy.

[Autolycus]

If you want to change your race you have to TR. I doubt it will change as think of all the money and busy time people are going to get TRing into the new races. If you can just blink and oh look a 20 orc that kinda defeats the purpose of keeping us busy.

I agree that making it a time sink is the traditional way for them to increase their profits under the subscription model. However, since they've moved to the micro-transaction model with FtP, etc., they will probably make much more money by making it purchasable and at the same time reduce the load on their servers/bandwidth since it won't require the grind.

[FluffyCalico]

I agree that making it a time sink is the traditional way for them to increase their profits under the subscription model. However, since they've moved to the micro-transaction model with FtP, etc., they will probably make much more money by making it purchasable and at the same time reduce the load on their servers/bandwidth since it won't require the grind.

Think of all the xp pots they wont sell :eek:

[Autolycus]

Think of all the xp pots they wont sell :eek:

Good point :D I'm sure they'll find a way to get us coming and probably going. :eek:

[FluffyCalico]

Besides do you really want 30% of level 20 characters on the server to be half-orc less than 5 min after U7?

[Frostwhisperer]

/signed
I wanna make my wizard a WF. I was so. stupid to make my wiz a drow.

[Autolycus]

Besides do you really want 30% of level 20 characters on the server to be half-orc less than 5 min after U7?

Actually, that wouldn't bother me, other than it contributing to the power creep in the game, which I believe is one of the biggest problems. The grinders will get it in a few days and it will change the small set of "approved" cookie-cutter builds that groups will start requiring.

I like variety and uniqueness, but then, I'm not a grinder/min/maxer. I subscribed shortly before DDO went FtP and my main is only 14th level, so it will be a while before I'd even be able to TR and then probably won't.

Besides, Turbine will probably "patch" half-orcs shortly after release when everyone's respec'ed, like they did with RS (whose bugs are still not fixed).

[Autolycus]

/signed
I wanna make my wizard a WF. I was so. stupid to make my wiz a drow.

One of the best and worst things about D&D and DDO is the richness of character creation. There is a LOT of information to consider, and unfortunately, it's hard to fix problems you discover with a character later. This can be very discouraging to the player.

Most people didn't read the manual that used to come with games. They want to play, thus the lack of manuals with many newer games. Even if you do research the game, everyone usually misses things. I think one of the best things Turbine can do is to provide ways to "fix" your character as you go. This allows new players to jump in and enjoy the game without having to complete a degree in character design first.

[KaiserKronos]

Signed as well, I'd pay around 2k TP for this easily

[xxScoobyDooxx]

/signed

Turbine ... I don't care what it costs ... what you call it ..... I am sure you will make more money offering this as a store bought option than you do currently. I have toons I will TR and some I won't. Some of the "i won't" are race gimped (IMHO) and I would spend money to fix that and once fixed spend more money playing them.

Post edit - forgot my manners - Please and thanks :)

[Chai]

Race Gimped® bwahahahaha!!!

This will allow all the drow from 2007-2008 when DDO stood for Dwarves and Drow Online change their race to WF or HO depending on melee or caster, without having to TR.

Kind of ironic that drow are now the gimped race, heh. But hey, they still make great rogues...

[sungig]

/signed

After one year i reply to that topic because i think that a race swap is important !

I think that is another way to cash some dollar rather than +3 tomes or another race necessarily to payment; that last solutions kills the game!

[Gainnen]

One item that I think would be a decent seller along the changing race lines is whats known as a witness protection pack it allows you to change your name, alignment, race, appearance, sex, and pet name without affecting levels course in ddo it would also have to allow you to change skills and feats since some races affect that most notably human. but it wouldnt change your attributes so race changes to attributes would affect your character dynamic. They may not be able to do it without allowing you to change your attributes though because of the way they probably coded race attributes to avoid bugs when you went back and forth alot during character creation. Edit: I realize this is an old thread but its still a current issue and potential DDO Store revenue source