cleric gear? rings necklaces etc

[p3n1x0r]

so ive got 1 cleric thats got some good gear on...lorricks necklace, some gloves i scored from a reaver raid last nite...my first cleric is my fav, but i know hes gimped(side note, first toon, first run ever to menacturan i pulled bloodstone, not knowing how uber it is w/ my blade barriers and heals now, but being a noob and not wanting to damage i bound it to my toon DOH) so i cant wait to rez him and respec him out.

i made another cleric thats at lv 11 now and im at a standstill with gear...shes mostly healer based standing back w/ the casters protecting them(hardly battle cleric) but mostly heals and some great attack spells.

shes at lv 11 and has 119 HP with a base con of 9, i ate a con tome, and have a +3 ring on now. for a total of 13 con....its lousy, a few hits and i die....i have a moderate fort belt im wearing, but im thinking of farming some more taps to get my minos helm to switch off between my totemic lavelier.


so with my rambling post(im learning the game more and more and understanding better) my main question is gear for clerics? what quests should i hit to get said gear...should i be switching between gear alot to change my buffs and + 's around when the situation calls for it?

another thing on my mind is the char planner builds say take this feat at this lv and this feat here, and put your ap here and there....but unless i read it too fast, i never seem to see ppl talkin about gear. just end game gear.

also made my first shroud run(been flagged for months) and got lots of ingredients to start crafting, but that guy is lv 18...i want to reincarnate him and hopefully somehow i can craft some junk to pass back to my other toons....i heard this was possible as long as you dont equip the weapon, then it becomes bound to toon.


sorry for the rambling, its my first post asking for help and direction :)

[lifestaker]

most people that post builds put end gear up mainly due to it being the main gear to use. leveling gear is normally just stat items, good weapons, and if you are a tr toon then raid gear used at lvl. the thing that matters the most in gear for a toon while leveling is hp gear, and fort(unless you are a ac toon or a specialized build). the minos helm helps in both, and con +6 items (ml 13 unless RR) fit in to many slots. now the next step would be to add to your main stat, being a clr that would be wisdom. every thing else is kinda go as you go. you get something better you put it on till you have your end game gear.

personally you might want to grab the minos and try to keep that on as often as able. when you get a little higher in lvl things will be one hitting you if you do not have it on, and some might be able to one hit you even still (raid bosses mostly, but to include some casting monsters)

For end game gear it is hard to say what would be good for you without knowing your entire build and what you intended to do with said toon (ie: only healing, battle cleric, or whatever) . the most important thing always is heavy fort (ml 11 minos helm form taps, ml 9 nightforged gorget from addy turn in, or any other heavy fort you can find).

[p3n1x0r]

i ended up scoring a full fortification ring, and sent her my bulwark fist shield +5 con item.

i have my main cleric and yea he wears minos 100% of time now due to the laveleir not being needed cuz loricks necklace is on...

i run 2 clerics, 1 the first i made is clearly gimped, but ill fix him when i rez...the one i am asking about isnt so gimped. but i focus mainly on wisdom. right now shes at like 10str, 9dex, 14con, 24 int, 25wis, 24cha. (My main cleric at level 18 has a 34 wisdom....thats pretty sweet, along with a 24str)

thats where she sits at level 12 just leveled up earlier. ive got mostly +3/4/5 items on them, wearing mithril full plate. im not worrying about dex or str at all, con a bit, but wis/intel are my main focus, with charisma for my turn undead and UMD...

[lifestaker]

well for gear you have a few different roads to go down, but for a base you go with a simple healers gear.
**by simple it does not say you don't have to try**

short end healing road:
head:Minos Legens (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Lamannia/MinosLegens.jpg) from taps
neck: Lorrik's Necklace (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Necklaces/LorriksNecklace.jpg) from hound, wisdom 6 and is a 'cleric item'
armor: can go with Dragon Touched from SoS, or just about anything that fits you.
bracers:Bracers of the Glacier (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Bracers/BracersoftheGlacier.jpg) from VoD, for archmagi (200 sp)
gloves:Gauntlets of Eternity (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Gloves/GauntletsofEternity.jpg)from reaver.
belt: Vorne's Belt (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Lamannia/VornesBelt.jpg) from sins or Knost's Belt (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Lamannia/VornesBelt.jpg) from genesis point.
boots: striders (30%) or Gyroscopic Boots of Striding (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Boots/GyroscopicBootsofStriding.jpg) from titan.
rings: make your swap slot for UWA, FF, STR+6, or what ever you see fit to include.
trinket:Voice of the Master (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Trinkets/VoiceoftheMaster.jpg) from delera's. there are a lot better things to have but this is a simple one to get.
shield:Lorikk's Champion (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Shields/LorikksChampion.jpg) (useless unless shield blocking in my eyes, but is the 'cleric' shield) from hound.
goggles: Blindness immunity or if you so desire shroud craft. kinda an open slot for the most part.
cloak: cha +6 if you like cha or the Stormreaver's Napkin (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Cloaks/StormreaversNapkin.jpg) if you want to increase your spells DC.
weapon: potency item

things you should keep in mind:
- Silver Flame Talisman (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Necklaces/SilverFlameTalisman.jpg), silver flame trinket upgraded to tier 3, for beholders.
-Head of Good Fortune (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Trinkets/HeadofGoodFortune.jpg) from reaver, or Litany of the Dead (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Trinkets/LitanyoftheDead.jpg) from abbot for a upgrade to the voice of the masters.
-some form of greater arcane lore (be it greenblade (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Weapons/GreenBlade.jpg) form DQ, Skiver (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Weapons/Skiver.jpg) from tome pages, blue dragon scale armor (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Armor/BlueDragonplateArmor.jpg) from scales that drop in tor, or the embers (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Unlimited/Items/Necklaces/NoxiousEmbers.jpg) from abbot) if you are a fan of offensive casting.
-Torc of Prince-Raiyum-de II (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Necklaces/TorcofPrince-deII.jpg) from dq, for mana regeneration (requires you to get hit to sometimes give mana back).
-A shroud crafted con opp (lots of larges, requires you to get hit to work) for another chance of mana regen.
-Morah's Belt (http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s220/jgould2005/DDO/Items/Lamannia/MorahsBelt.jpg) just for the jump, a caster might not be around.
-Tower rings give you a bit of leeway in gear as well.
-keep a vorpal/disruptor on you for the high hp non dw things. sometimes it is just easier to wait for a 20 then use sp.

the more of the items you include from the later list, the harder you will have to work on things and the more switching around of gear you will have to do. just ensure you have your con and heavy fort covered, as well as some type of sp item worked in and you should be fine.

*all links from dragonstar's loot list (http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=121279), for more insight into different items go there*

[p3n1x0r]

nice list. i can crossref this with the loot list. and kno what i needa do to get my gear. when i reincarnate whatnot ill have it waiting for me, suppose thats the idea.

i have the gloves from the TOR, and also lorricks necklace, both handed over to me from pug groups. you guys are AWESOME whoever you are.

i figure every few days run the hound and reavers and what those others ill look up.

so i also understand that armor check penalties, and spell failure does not apply to my cleric class so i can ignore that stuff?

[Sinni]

so i also understand that armor check penalties, and spell failure does not apply to my cleric class so i can ignore that stuff?

armor check penalties apply, but it isn't a big deal. you might consider taking a robe as your dragon touched armor to get rid of it though (and for faster swapping if you intend to do that) as your AC won't be high enough to matter anyway if you don't plan your build for it.

[Sirea]

so i also understand that armor check penalties, and spell failure does not apply to my cleric class so i can ignore that stuff?

Spell failure does not apply, armor check penalty does. As Sinni said you can avoid the armor check penalty by wearing robes or outfits, which are also nice for quickly switching into/out of.

[lifestaker]

nice list. i can cross-ref this with the loot list. and know what i need do to get my gear. when i reincarnate whatnot ill have it waiting for me, suppose that's the idea.
In my eyes the best raids to gear up from for a TR are abbot and titan. the gear from them are OP if used at lvl with a TR'd toon. I know for titans, on ghallanda Seria teaches the puzzles on weekends, but abbots are normally not often pugged. The big thing to do is show that you are willing to learn the puzzles in those quests and be relentless. The drop rate in both raids are lower then most, or so it seems for the things you want, so normally you have to get to a 20th to get one thing you want.

[Knippers]

Just a minor detail - if that umd is for items equipped only, then spell failure is not an issue. But if you are wand whipping or using scrolls, then spell failure will be a factor for any ARCANE wand or scroll you use. As stated, divine spells are not affected by armor SF.

[Knippers]

Oh and the Hound shield is in some cases a decent item, imo. If worn on a classic OCC cleric along with the necklace, you always have 30% devotion on all healing spells from level 1 thru 8. No swapping needed. This also means said cleric can have the shield in the off hand doing 30% more and a fist full of scrolls in the other and never need worry about loosing that bonus (considering some put their potency in thier hand) And if you are going for DT armor and are "lucky" at lotto, you can increase that to 50%. So for the classic OCC - it's not just for blocking in my eyes. Having said that, I wouldn't use it on a monk splash, of course. ;)

[lifestaker]

But if you are wand whipping or using scrolls, then spell failure will be a factor for any ARCANE wand or scroll you use.

Is good to see you try to help but for a correction, arcane wands are not effected by spell failure from armor (didn't have a shield with spell failure on it on my caster/bard but think it is also not effected). Arcane scrolls and spells not cast from a wand will be effected by the arcane spell failure, but clerical spells (Davine) are not. At least you saw him say he had UMD, i think i jumped over that.

**umd on a clr and looking for gear makes the abbot gloves an even more sought out thing for you. have fun getting them**

[Sirea]

Oh and the Hound shield is in some cases a decent item, imo. If worn on a classic OCC cleric along with the necklace, you always have 30% devotion on all healing spells from level 1 thru 8. No swapping needed. This also means said cleric can have the shield in the off hand doing 30% more and a fist full of scrolls in the other and never need worry about loosing that bonus (considering some put their potency in thier hand) And if you are going for DT armor and are "lucky" at lotto, you can increase that to 50%. So for the classic OCC - it's not just for blocking in my eyes. Having said that, I wouldn't use it on a monk splash, of course. ;)

You can get Greater Devotion VIII on a ToD ring and free up your necklace and offhand for much better things than the Lorrik's set.

[Knippers]

In your Opinion. The TOD set is not a devotion 50%. And it may be just as difficult to acquire. Maybe more so than the Lorriks champion on your armor. And in the mean time you have a 30% and you are running quests instead of parked at the AH looking for that specific item you can't afford to bid on. :eek:

[Sirea]

In your Opinion. The TOD set is not a devotion 50%.

It's not a ToD set, it's a ring. Any ring. One ring to rule them all. Just collect the 9 trophies and medium Shroud ingredients and slap Greater Devotion VIII on it.


And it may be just as difficult to acquire. Maybe more so than the Lorriks champion on your armor.

I'd rather run ToDs for rings and trophies than endlessly grinding Draconic Runes for a much, much smaller chance to take 3 of my gear slots for 50%. I'd rather only have 1 item equipped with 40% more healing than 3 items equipped for 10% more.


And in the mean time you have a 30% and you are running quests instead of parked at the AH looking for that specific item you can't afford to bid on. :eek:

Huh? :confused:

[Knippers]

I know its not a set. but you only get it after you pull it from TOD with 9 trophies, just as you said. Now last time I ran that raid, no one passed me their trophies (and I even asked nicely :P) Then you get to craft your devotion 40%. So how many raids until he has the ring and 9 trophies to craft with? And you're saying the DT is a grind? And the Pray and the Monestary runs can be done very quickly these days. So take your essences to the alters and crunch them into S runes.

Something else to consider... that ring and any other item you pull from those quests are ml 18 items. The lorrik necklace and shield are ml 13. And often enthusiastically given to the clerics (even the OP got his that way). And the Hound raid is MUCH easier to complete than the TOD.

I'm not saying don't shoot for the silly ring. I am saying don't scoff at the shield if you don't have any monk levels. Silly thing to do IMO. Just sayin...

[Sirea]

I know its not a set. but you only get it after you pull it from TOD with 9 trophies, just as you said. Now last time I ran that raid, no one passed me their trophies (and I even asked nicely :P) Then you get to craft your devotion 40%. So how many raids until he has the ring and 9 trophies to craft with? And you're saying the DT is a grind? And the Pray and the Monestary runs can be done very quickly these days. So take your essences to the alters and crunch them into S runes.

Something else to consider... that ring and any other item you pull from those quests are ml 18 items. The lorrik necklace and shield are ml 13. And often enthusiastically given to the clerics (even the OP got his that way). And the Hound raid is MUCH easier to complete than the TOD.

I'm not saying don't shoot for the silly ring. I am saying don't scoff at the shield if you don't have any monk levels. Silly thing to do IMO. Just sayin...

At least the trophies are guaranteed drops. You could have to run many many SoS runs to get that Lorrik's rune.

[Knippers]

At least the trophies are guaranteed drops. You could have to run many many SoS runs to get that Lorrik's rune.

Yes, the trophies are, but the rings are not. And yes, there are many rings to choose from, as they are not often collected for the complete sets, but they are still not a sure thing.

Now, I think we all agree that the DT crafting is a lottery system for some, but you can take your tempest and eldrich runes to the alter and avoid the SoS raid completely. Well, you will have to complete SoS once, but after that you can do the prey run in minutes. (people are this doing now) With an occasional Monestary for variety (and more chests to pull runes from - provided you complete correctly.) Not hard to do either. Now the prey run is not especially fun, imo, but 3 prey runs are MUCH easier on a newer cleric than the 9 TOD raids. And, IMO, those quests can be good practice for end content raids too.

I'd also like to point out (to the OP mostly) that at present, TOD is not a guaranteed completion for everyone who runs it. I'll also even go so far as to say the OP might find that raid challenging enough that he may not even like it at his current skill level. So, while the TOD ring with Devotion VIII crafted on it is in some situations a better end item to have, and POSSIBLY something for the OP to shot for, it is not the only option for a (non-monk splash) cleric. Especially one who has a cleric that he is currently working on at level 11.