Pale Master - The One Man Army

[vettkinn]

Comrades, I played with a couple pale masters in low level quests and was impressed. They can summon 2 pets as well as blast everything in sight. Here are the pros and cons that I noticed:

Pros:
- more summons, I believe having a skeleton mage helps cause havoc; pair this with a evil spider/hezrou and missiles will be flying all around. Sure their damage is not "elitist worthy", but extra meat and extra fireballs and magic missiles are always helpful.

- The pets would soak damage
- powered up negative spells
- You + Skelly Pet + Summon + Hireling (I'm thinking of WF Wizard hirelings that likes to destroy things) = victory

Cons:
- undead property healing issues (I believe being Warforged would be the best way to go at the moment)

I guess the best skeletons are the arcane ones, the melee and archers might not do that much damage. If Pale Masters get the ability to heal themselves then this will make them very powerful.

How come vets hate this new prestige class? Let discuss like gentlemen comrades :D

[captain1z]

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How come vets hate this new prestige class? Let discuss like gentlemen comrades :D

3 specific reasons:

- The pets are very low powered. While I understand we shouldnt count on the pets to do the quest for us, more often than not they cannot defeat 1 mob or even take one mob down to half health. The cost of summoning a pet (both hp & sp) are better spent on another spell that would stand a chance of killing multiple mobs.


- The bonus % damage to negative energy spells is wasted by the fact that spells which deal negative damage do not exist at high levels yet.

- They cannot be healed by spell points, meaning without scrolls of harm they are just moving targets.



Those 3 points until fixed invalidate the pre.

[Noctus]

How come vets hate this new prestige class? Let discuss like gentlemen comrades :D


Because vets dont hang around in low level quests.

Check what "good" a Pale Master can do in Gianthold+ content. Over what a pure Wiz could do. Then come back again and report back.

[vettkinn]

Check what "good" a Pale Master can do in Gianthold+ content. Over what a pure Wiz could do. Then come back again and report back.

What do you mean comrade? Pales Masters ARE wizards too.


They cannot be healed by spell points, meaning without scrolls of harm they are just moving targets.
- is the undead thing not a toggle-able skill of some sort? (like click this to be undead, click again to be human)
- WF pale masters can still repair themselves, right?

[davidsub]

Nope to both questions.

Pale Master in forms are unable to be repaired, and the forms cannot be toggled on/off as you please.

[vettkinn]

Nope to both questions.

Pale Master in forms are unable to be repaired, and the forms cannot be toggled on/off as you please.

Wait, what????

Pales masters suck :(

[Asketes]

Wait, what????

Pales masters suck :(

hook, line, and sinker!

Now you see

[captain1z]

What do you mean comrade? Pales Masters ARE wizards too.


- is the undead thing not a toggle-able skill of some sort? (like click this to be undead, click again to be human)
- WF pale masters can still repair themselves, right?

- Pale Masters are wizards, yes. To become a pale master you must spend 1 feat an many enhancement points, you could spend those points boosting your fire or electric damage output or spell pen or anything else in stead of palemaster and be more powerful in those areas. A pale master after spending APs should have advantages but instead ends up with disadvantages.


- The undead thing cannot be turned off, its on a timer.


- wf pale masters are immune to repair spells...... no repairs, no heals. You are in combat with no means to heal yourself (not even pots) other than scrolls of harm that dont always target properly because it was intended to be an attack spell and not target players.



It would make more sense to roll a tempest wizard 6 ranger/14 wiz than to be a palemaster. (slight exaggeration)

[davidsub]

Wait, what????

Pales masters suck :(

Exactly! Now you see why this PrE is disliked.

[Asketes]

It would make more sense to roll a tempest wizard 6 ranger/14 wiz than to be a palemaster. (slight exaggeration)

wait... now i'm sad.. mine already has tempest...

hehe jk

[captain1z]

Wait, what????

Pales masters suck :(

LOL....... I guess the discussion is over then?


Im laughing so hard over here

[sacredtheory]

That has to be one of the most awesome and funniest endings to a thread I've seen :)

OP: How come pale masters suck?
Replies: Because x...y...z...
OP: Dude, pale masters suck!



Good stuff :)

[Phidius]

Tolero/Tarrant, please lock this thread NOW, before it's too late! :D

[Memnir]

How Come Vets Hate This New Prestige Class? Let Discuss Like Gentlemen Comrades :dЛюди ненавидят это, потому что это очень плохо.

[vettkinn]

Haha, oh well, at least it made people laugh, I had a good facepalm moment myself. Have a nice day comrades :D

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[Asketes]

Люди ненавидят это, потому что это очень плохо.

Translated: people hate it because it is very bad