why does leap of faith cancel autorun?

[mistahnice]

this is quite annoying, jumping doesn't cancel autorun but leap of faith does? what reason is there for having to hold down w if you want to use leap of faith to get there faster?

[Visty]

cause its an ability

[mistahnice]

cause its an ability

it seems like it would be trivial to remove the autorun cancel on leap of faith, regardless of it being an ability or not it is a type of movement, not an action

[Memnir]

Most if not all clickie abilities remove auto-run. Boosts from enhancements, Rage, etc - all cancel it. I've just gotten used to it.

Why do abilities turn it off? I have no idea - but Leap of Faith is not unique in this regard. I'd be more interested to hear if it didn't, frankly.

[ArichValtrahn]

Id love to see that changed. Seems stupid to be in auto-run, click your sprint skill... and stop moving entirely.

Wait, what? :p

[mistahnice]

Most if not all clickie abilities remove auto-run. Boosts from enhancements, Rage, etc - all cancel it. I've just gotten used to it.

Why do abilities turn it off? I have no idea - but Leap of Faith is not unique in this regard. I'd be more interested to hear if it didn't, frankly.

just getting used to it is indicative of extremely poor design and that is frankly inexcusable

[Visty]

just getting used to it is indicative of extremely poor design and that is frankly inexcusable

code your own game if you think its so easy to fix

bugs happen
maybe its by design
we will never know

[Memnir]

just getting used to it is indicative of extremely poor design and that is frankly inexcusableNo - it just means you don't like it and I've gotten used to it. :)

We don't know why it does that - there may be a very good "under the hood" reason in the game mechanics. Or, maybe not and it can be adjusted in the future. But really - just push the forward key when you LoF... it really isn't that a big a deal.

[Visty]

why? i already pay turbine to play this game.

and they use your money to make new quests

everything is fine

donate them extra money, maybe then this gets ''fixed''

[mistahnice]

and they use your money to make new quests

everything is fine

donate them extra money, maybe then this gets ''fixed''

this will never get fixed and both you and i know it :)

[Natulyre]

For something to be fixed, it has to be broken first.

[mistahnice]

For something to be fixed, it has to be broken first.

what, exactly, is not broken about a movement ability canceling autorun? if sprint boost made you hold down w to use seemlessly, it would be broken.

[Lifespawn]

i think the best fix is just to remove autorun i bet you'd love a follow command too.

[mistahnice]

i think the best fix is just to remove autorun i bet you'd love a follow command too.

who on earth doesn't want a follow command and why?

[Tumarek]

"A leap of faith, in its most commonly used meaning, is the act of believing in or accepting something intangible or unprovable, or without empirical evidence. It is an act commonly associated with religious belief as many religions consider faith to be an essential element of piety."

It is not something you do while autorunning and just continue on... :D

[Lorien_the_First_One]

what, exactly, is not broken about a movement ability canceling autorun? if sprint boost made you hold down w to use seemlessly, it would be broken.

Not if they say that's how they intend it to work. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it broken, or even a bad idea.


you seem to think that reg-date has anything to do with anything, i bet you judge people by the color of their skin as well

Join date speaks to experience.

Colour of skin speaks to nothing.

If you don't understand the difference I pitty you.

Also inferring someone is a racist without any foundation is pathetic on your part.

[Raegoul]

BTW do people actually use Auto-Run?

[mistahnice]

Follow is needed for lazy people and to help multibox. It could lead to some amusing griefing but otherwise serves no real purpose in this game. The game is better off without it.

1) what's wrong with multiboxing
2) why are you staunchly against reducing the amount of effort a player has to expend on a repetitive, mundane task? do you really get any enjoyment out of manually navigating to POP for the 200th time?

[mistahnice]

Not if they say that's how they intend it to work. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it broken, or even a bad idea.



Join date speaks to experience.

Colour of skin speaks to nothing.

If you don't understand the difference I pitty you.

Also inferring someone is a racist without any foundation is pathetic on your part.

so if i made an account in 2006 and never posted once on it, would that account be consistantly more right and his opinions be held in higher regard than my current account?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

1) what's wrong with multiboxing

Nothing if you are a gold farmer. I don't however see any reason why Turbine needs to support this function.



2) why are you staunchly against reducing the amount of effort a player has to expend on a repetitive, mundane task? do you really get any enjoyment out of manually navigating to POP for the 200th time?

What I oppose is you latching your lazy ass to me while I do the work to get us there. /follow requires a person making an effort and a freeloader - who in this game will end up in the lava, a lot :)


so if i made an account in 2006 and never posted once on it, would that account be consistantly more right and his opinions be held in higher regard than my current account?

Practice your reading, I said it was an indicator, not proof of anything. Racism is never an indicator of anything.

Your replies in this thread did however confirm the indicator.

[mistahnice]

Nothing if you are a gold farmer. I don't however see any reason why Turbine needs to support this function.


perhaps because a person would like to try out class combinations without having a second person to participate? there are any myriad of non-goldfarming reasons for a person to multibox. just because it can be abused by goldfarmers is absolutely not a reason to prevent the implementation of ANY feature. perhaps turbine should get rid of gold, as that encourages gold farming.



What I oppose is you latching your lazy ass to me while I do the work to get us there. /follow requires a person making an effort and a freeloader - who in this game will end up in the lava, a lot :)


there are any number of solutions to prevent unsolicited /following, once again, not a reason to prevent the implementation of a useful feature for CONSENTING players. i would prefer when i lead a pug that players would /follow me through the explorer zones, so they don't aggro ambushes or go the wrong way.



Practice your reading, I said it was an indicator, not proof of anything. Racism is never an indicator of anything.

Your replies in this thread did however confirm the indicator.


other indicators of a poster's opinion being deserving of anything more than a conceited, dismissive tone: membership to forum circlejerks
regdate
postcount
green bars

right, notice how substance of the post is nowhere in that list?

[Jay203]

didn't we already go through the "debate" of why /follow is a horrible idea??

[budwise09]

you seem to think that reg-date has anything to do with anything, i bet you judge people by the color of their skin as well

Maturity has nothing to do with age. But it has a lot to do with time. ;)

[mistahnice]

ya running is such a hassle i think i'll go complain about it on the forums cause thats how hard it is to do i mean ddo is such a huge place it takes all of 3 min to get from one spot to anywhere else.

Maybe one day they will allow follow and all your dreams can come true you can summon a couple hirelings set one to heal the other you set yourself on follow and go afk leaving all the boring stuff to them all you gotta do is level!!!!

maybe one day you'll realize the fine art of sarcasm

[Uska]

who on earth doesn't want a follow command and why?

Me because it's stupid and lazy

[Uska]

BTW do people actually use Auto-Run?

No and wish I could turn it off perm so I dont accidently hit it

[mistahnice]

No and wish I could turn it off perm so I dont accidently hit it

how many tens of thousands of hours have you held down 'w'?

[Alexandryte]

Since you seem to think that everyone is out to get you and any explanation is "wrong" because it differs from your own.

Check creation date.


I disagree with you. The game does not need follow.

The game pauses your character for a number of reasons I can think of...one of them being design so you can accurately land tricky jumps/move over obstacles. If leap didnt pause....and you had any lag...you would gravely overshoot your destination.

[Orratti]

I turned off autorun a while back after trying to type something in the vault of night and hit the r button and started running towards the dragon at the wrong time then ran behind the rocks triggering some elementals on my way back to the bridge. Yeah was a noob moment I know. Some of the folks here may have been in that run. Didn't get us killed though and we completed but I was majorly embarassed and turned it off as soon as we finished out. I never used it before anyway and since then wouldn't dream of letting it stay on my keyboard. Thought this might be good for a laugh and at one time or another everyone has had one of those oops moments.

[r3dl4nce]

I wanna /follow and I wanna death exp penality back.... and I wanna a big pool of death water(just like in ascension chamber)
Five n00bs make /follow on me...


About Leap of Faith / Abundant Step
It Working As Intended. Every ability/skill/feat/... stop the auto run, because if you are actively using a skill, you can even press again R.

[mistahnice]

I wanna /follow and I wanna death exp penality back.... and I wanna a big pool of death water(just like in ascension chamber)
Five n00bs make /follow on me...


About Leap of Faith / Abundant Step
It Working As Intended. Every ability/skill/feat/... stop the auto run, because if you are actively using a skill, you can even press again R.

if you had wings you would know that you cannot seemlessly continue running by merely pressing r again after the lof is executed, you must hold down w to continue moving and then press r simultaneously, then release w. any other combination of keys will result in your avatar standing in place, dumbfounded. doesn't that sound like lovely fun to do every 3 seconds?

[r3dl4nce]

Well, buy a clickie with 5 charges of haste.
You use, haste for 30 seconds. After 30 seconds you use it again.
Or make a GS item with haste.
Buy a item with striding 30%.
Or live pressing w after a leap of faith.

Lot of alternatives.

[mistahnice]

Well, buy a clickie with 5 charges of haste.
You use, haste for 30 seconds. After 30 seconds you use it again.
Or make a GS item with haste.
Buy a item with striding 30%.
Or live pressing w after a leap of faith.

Lot of alternatives.

why should the player have to adapt to poor design? why should the burden of good design and execution not be on the company we are propping up?

[r3dl4nce]

It's not POOR DESIGN
It's WORKING AS INTENDED.

Why wizard/sorc/high-umd have the "travel fast" optional called TELEPORT spell?
I want it but I'm a monk. Poor design Turbine.
Give me Teleport as a monk with low umd.

[mistahnice]

It's not POOR DESIGN
It's WORKING AS INTENDED.

Why wizard/sorc/high-umd have the "travel fast" optional called TELEPORT spell?
I want it but I'm a monk. Poor design Turbine.
Give me Teleport as a monk with low umd.

that is an extremely poor analogy. also, get a royal guard mask. who are you to say how anything is intended to work? are you a developer? a QA agent? no, you are not, and you are making assinine assumptions about both my beef and and the way the game operates.

[prowessss]

Did someone mention my name???
This is a really silly thread guys... Ok firstly I'll start with the word troll... you're all looking for "trawl"
stop trawling the boards.
nextly, auto-follow would be a terrible addition to this game. It's bad enough you can't boot a-holes mid-quest... if they could /follow me too omg.
I see no benefit to having an auto-follow feature. It encourages AFKing... it encourages players to leech basically... The only one who would benefit is the person who's not trying to run themself anywhere... No thanks
And then there's the topic of the thread... The reason for clickies stopping movement is rooted at the very core of the game engine... call it bad design cause it inconveniences you slightly? doesn't that just make you look like a little *****?
Now, I really don't mind critics... In fact, this is a valid thing to bring up. But going so far as to say the developers are lazy or incompetent... WOW. maybe you should go back to WoW?
Bottom line is: The fix for this "problem" would be very inefficient as there's no way they'll rewrite core engine design at this point-- so that means a modification that makes it function just the way you like would be an addition to the game... not a change or a "fix"... I'd rather do the pressing of w myself rather than having a "fix" implimented to do it for me

[Danmor]

if you had wings you would know that you cannot seemlessly continue running by merely pressing r again after the lof is executed, you must hold down w to continue moving and then press r simultaneously, then release w. any other combination of keys will result in your avatar standing in place, dumbfounded. doesn't that sound like lovely fun to do every 3 seconds?

If you have the fingers to press the hotkey for leap of faith, why don't you have the fingers to press w?
Seriously though, when you're running somewhere, why would you even need that feature? DDO areas are not so big that you don't have to control your movements anyways. So you have to steer, press hotkey for leap of faith and you're complaining about having to press another button to keep moving?

Sorry, I don't see your point.

[Cylinwolf]

This thread shoulda ended at the "go try and code your own game and see how this works" comment, since that's literally the only way to get the point across. But here goes anyways:

The problem you're seeing is not some checkbox on the Leap of Faith ability that says "cancel autorun." This is hard-coded into the engine that is the foundation of the game, that the game is built off of. It is NOT something easy to fix, hence why our game engine hasn't really changed for four years.

Learn Flash, build all the parameters to make a platformer in it (build all the physics, design hitboxes so you don't just pixel-collide with enemies, program AI, etc) and upload it to someplace like Kongregate or Newgrounds. Wait for someone to comment "the physics engine needs some fixing" and then go try and, on a whim, fix your game for that person.

Document all this and come back and you'll be the most credible person to talk to for this issue.

(PS: I'm not arguing whether this is bad design or not. It is pretty stupid. They just can't change it willy-nilly.)

[Maetrim]

this is quite annoying, jumping doesn't cancel autorun but leap of faith does? what reason is there for having to hold down w if you want to use leap of faith to get there faster?
I agree with you, LoF and abundant step should not cancel autorun. Your adding to a current movement, not cancelling it.


cause its an ability
Not reason why it should still cancel it Visty


For something to be fixed, it has to be broken first.
Something can be working, but not as intended, that doesn't mean its not broken. Extreme analogy: My leg is broken but I can still limp along on it. Can I walk? Yes. Do I enjoy walking on it? Nope.


i think the best fix is just to remove autorun i bet you'd love a follow command too.
Autorun is a feature many will be using. I for one use it. But personally I think the /follow command is a bad idea. But why did you bring that into this discussion - as its about autorun?


Not if they say that's how they intend it to work. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it broken, or even a bad idea.
Join date speaks to experience.
I dont know of a developer/turbine quote saying it is working as intended. Of course it does not mean it is or is not at this time. Its unknown.

Join date does not speak of experience, it speaks of Join date only. I have a late join date but have been playing since mod 1 before EU as I came over from the European servers.


BTW do people actually use Auto-Run?
Yes, I use it very frequently, when I only get chance to play once handed due to other factors.


Nothing if you are a gold farmer. I don't however see any reason why Turbine needs to support this function.

What I oppose is you latching your lazy ass to me while I do the work to get us there. /follow requires a person making an effort and a freeloader - who in this game will end up in the lava, a lot :)
I dont think we need this function either, but if a box came up "Xyz wishes to follow you, Accept? Yes/No" with a configurable option in settings on whether to accept follow requests, then the option would be ok.


ya running is such a hassle i think i'll go complain about it on the forums cause thats how hard it is to do i mean ddo is such a huge place it takes all of 3 min to get from one spot to anywhere else.
I do not think you braught anything to the discussion other than sarcasm here. It can take some while to run from location to location, especially if you do not have teleport or haste/striding items. I know you can remedy that, but running from say Amrath to the Menechtarun desert can take some time. Its all relative, how valuable is your time? How valuable is the time of those (possible) people waiting for you to get there?


Me because it's stupid and lazy
Although this is a perfectly valid opinion, I feel you would have been better received by the OP if you had explained why you feel these 2 things.


No and wish I could turn it off perm so I dont accidently hit it
Just change your keybinding for Auto run to no key.


i think you're a coward and backing out of a legitimate discussion about game mechanics
No, hes choosing not to participate in the discussion. Just like I am choosing to at this point....(waiting to find out if that was such a good idea :D)


It's not POOR DESIGN
It's WORKING AS INTENDED.
I think your assuming its working as intended, without a turbine employee post stating such, then its working as intended state is unknown. If anyone knows of such a post I would love to see it.

[r3dl4nce]

who are you to say how anything is intended to work?And who are you to say that leap of faith is NOT working as intended ?
If it's working as it now, that mean it is working right

[Zaodan]

why does leap of faith cancel autorun?

Because Turbine designed that aspect of the game poorly.

Next question.

[Kadran]

Because Autorun = Easy button

[gavagai]

I can see it both ways. From a purely theoretical standpoint, Abundant Step could be like any normal jump -- in which case not WAI. From an equally theoretical standpoint, AS could involve a divine ritual -- in which case it is WAI.

But let's be honest: from a practical standpoint, having to press "w" isn't a serious complaint about the core system. Especially in an MMO, which involves plenty of button mashing already. I'd hate to see Dev time wasted on this -- a tweak that would benefit only a few high level monks and FvSs running inconsequential errands.

Finally, from a divine standpoint, if I were a deity and I had to listen to you say I was "lazy and incompetent" for requiring you to pause for my grace while running your petty errands, I'd smite you and permanently take away your spells. :D :P

[Nott]

Who gives a rat's rip? Is it working as intended? I don't know, I don't care. It's working the way it is... it's a lot easier to get in the habit of dealing with it than it is to throw a hissy fit over such an inconsequential item.

As already stated, LoF is not alone in this regard. It takes very little effort when auto-running and desiring to use some click-based action to a) hold down w, b) click whatever hotkey you need, c) press r again.

Get over it.

[Strakeln]

i think the best fix is just to remove autorun
Oh man you have all the makings of a Turbine exec!

If there's one thing I've learned around here, it's that no matter how simple the request, be sure to word it carefully.

mistahnice: it really bugs me when autorun disengages from LoF
Turbine Exec: No problem. *POOF* Your wish is granted, I had the devs disable autorun!

:D

[Raegoul]

Yes, I use it very frequently, when I only get chance to play once handed due to other factors.
Do you frequently play one-handed?

[Strakeln]

Do you frequently play one-handed?

Like a bug to a bug lite, lol.

/high five (using stainer's hand)

[Spookyaction]

I agree with the op. It is annoying to have to reengage auto run after using lof. I have not seen anyone post a reason why having to turn auto run back on is good. Why all the hate ? Currently auto run is always mapped to mouse 5 like store is always mapped to control s. So even if you change it once you log out and back in its been remapped, another annoying behavior i would like to see changed.

[gavagai]

Why all the hate ?

It wasn't the request as much as the later comments about how the effect was "poor design and frankly inexcusable."

Turbine decided that activating powers of any kind, even movement-based abilities like special jumps and sprint boosts, cancels autorun. That rule is not so implausible that either it isn't WAI or Turbine is bat**** crazy. After all, casting haste breaks autorun. LoF and boosts and AS work the same way.

And saying that it is annoying to re-start autorun isn't really a good reason why it is inexcusable. Not being able to repair Dragonscale Robes or GS throwers? Lose Epic Tokens? Now THOSE are annoying, and negate hours of effort. Old Air Elementals? Annoying since, once you got caught by one it could be minutes before you could do anything.

Pressing "r" to restart autorun after using a spell-like ability isn't even close. Maybe it could use attention after other important issues are worked through. But its not a big deal if they decide to keep it as is.

However, the key mapping issue is a really good one. Dagnabbit! >.<

[Maetrim]

Do you frequently play one-handed?
When I go into healing mode on my cleric and do not need to move around or if I am auto running from place to place, then I do play just 1 handed. This happens very frequently. I helps that I have always played the game using the mouse for just about everything in the UI.

I think I have setup 1 additional bound key onto a shortcut bar and thats spcae for intimidate.

Playing 1 handed lets me munch on cookies etc while playing optimally.

[MeliCat]

dear OP... yeah i've always thought that when (auto) running along and clicking sprint boost and that makes me stop was very odd. so it's not just me who thinks so. but i watch for it now with my finger ready to hit r again...


and Lorien's against multi-boxing? o.O really? wow.

got flagged for twilight while someone multiboxed and someone guided me in less than 10 minutes. very funny. (they then 3 manned it and a multi-boxed cleric was stuck on the ladder with me where i was told to stay LOL).

i quite like the idea of having a permanent opener for some things so am contemplating a second f2p account. and being the lazy sod i am i will probably throw money at TP to get content to do so (necro. not sure what else). so that's a second account and more money for Turbine... and this game continues. so many haters... i don't get it. of all the crappy things in life to complain about, little oddnesses in amongst the hard working coolness that is here is not enough to be so direly desperately distressed about.

[Raegoul]

Playing 1 handed lets me play optimally.
Fixed it for ya ;)

[Strakeln]

When I go into healing mode on my cleric and do not need to move around or if I am auto running from place to place, then I do play just 1 handed. This happens very frequently. I helps that I have always played the game using the mouse for just about everything in the UI.

I think I have setup 1 additional bound key onto a shortcut bar and thats spcae for intimidate.

Playing 1 handed lets me munch on cookies etc while playing optimally.

So, what % of your playtime would you say you play one-handed?

[Arkat]

So, what % of your playtime would you say you play one-handed?

I'll bet you want to know if he plays one-handed with his left or right hand too. :p

[Strakeln]

I'll bet you want to know if he plays one-handed with his left or right hand too. :p

Inquiring minds want to know!

[stainer]

/high five

I'd be careful about which hand is used. Just saying.

[Strakeln]

I'd be careful about which hand is used. Just saying.

Good point. Edited.

[Maetrim]

Good point. Edited.
I would say ~15% of the time I play 1 handed

And I use my right hand as I use my left to wipe my...

Back on topic peeps.....

[stainer]

/high five (using stainer's hand)

You are so wrong.

[Strakeln]

You are so wrong.

:D

I believe I win this round :p

[Raegoul]

I would say ~15% of the time I play 1 handed

And I use my right hand as I use my left to wipe my...

Back on topic peeps.....
Which hand has more fun?