Sorc in Endgame, Reconstruct bot?

[Daiur]

Hey there,

my Sorc has been Lev 20 and Raiding for awhile now. If a WF Tank is in a Hound Raid, sure I Reconstruct him all the time and am fine with it.

The problem I have encountered recently in normal Quest PUGs, is the following:

At some point or another its a save bet that a WF Barb/Fighter/Melee joins the group.
Usually those people do not have Healers friend enhancement line, so its usually:
"Sorc watches WF, Cleric takes the fleshie".

I had stopped playing my Mid Level Cleric as I got sick of watching Health Bars the whole quest. Sure, if I see a Wf drop too low and the Healer is obvisouly busy, I Reconstruct- but I feel that throwing CC in Shavrath helps the group much more than simply watching one or two Barbs Health bars.
The problem is, without quicken, if I try to combine the both it usually ends with some flames.

So my question is, is it the fate of the Sorc to become a Healbot in endgame?
Being told things like: "Just Reconstruct me, its the efficientest way to use your sp", is really a bother.
And to force the role of a healer onto a class that can do so much more... I am currently at the point that I don't join PUGs with WF in it. I rolled my sorc to have fun, not to be the healer for people who dont go Healers friend enhancement (something i think should count as broken built on ANY melee/heavy healdepending class).

Oppinions? Am I just overreacting or smth? :)

[Alyiakal]

And to force the role of a healer onto a class that can do so much more...

Funny... this is how I feel about clerics too (although granted, in raids, sometimes you do need someone watching the bars full time).

[Zereth501]

The clerics have the exact same complaint.

I think that having a class depends on another for healing is a bad design idea that has plagged MMO for too long. I'd love to see one where everyone can do his own healing.

[Bunker]

Hey there,

my Sorc has been Lev 20 and Raiding for awhile now. If a WF Tank is in a Hound Raid, sure I Reconstruct him all the time and am fine with it.

The problem I have encountered recently in normal Quest PUGs, is the following:

At some point or another its a save bet that a WF Barb/Fighter/Melee joins the group.
Usually those people do not have Healers friend enhancement line, so its usually:
"Sorc watches WF, Cleric takes the fleshie".

I had stopped playing my Mid Level Cleric as I got sick of watching Health Bars the whole quest. Sure, if I see a Wf drop too low and the Healer is obvisouly busy, I Reconstruct- but I feel that throwing CC in Shavrath helps the group much more than simply watching one or two Barbs Health bars.
The problem is, without quicken, if I try to combine the both it usually ends with some flames.

So my question is, is it the fate of the Sorc to become a Healbot in endgame?
Being told things like: "Just Reconstruct me, its the efficientest way to use your sp", is really a bother.
And to force the role of a healer onto a class that can do so much more... I am currently at the point that I don't join PUGs with WF in it. I rolled my sorc to have fun, not to be the healer for people who dont go Healers friend enhancement (something i think should count as broken built on ANY melee/heavy healdepending class).

Oppinions? Am I just overreacting or smth? :)

Is your sorc a WF? If yes, you should be taken out back and shot.

Most WF sorcs/wiz will sacrafice a lvl 6 spell slot to carry reconstruct. As for non-WF sorcerers, I would not expect them to carry the spell, but if they do, even better for the WF comrads.

Simply, if you are a WF, then be a WF. None of this,boo hoo hoo crying over having to heal another WF if you are one in the first place. Dude, you are a sorc, you have over 2500 sp. Reconstruct costs 35 (iirc).

In conclusion, if you are a WF sorc, best ask yourself why you chose that race in the first place. My WF sorc would roll over in his grave knowing that other WF sorcerers out there could be as stingy with thier sp.

There are many great duos in Stormreach, and some might say the WF tank/WF sorc is the best. So embrace your WF brothers, step up to the front of the line and take notice of not what seems like a pain, but rather the power.

[epochofcrepuscule]

Is your sorc a WF? If yes, you should be taken out back and shot.

Most WF sorcs/wiz will sacrafice a lvl 6 spell slot to carry reconstruct. As for non-WF sorcerers, I would not expect them to carry the spell, but if they do, even better for the WF comrads.

Simply, if you are a WF, then be a WF. None of this,boo hoo hoo crying over having to heal another WF if you are one in the first place. Dude, you are a sorc, you have over 2500 sp. Reconstruct costs 35 (iirc).

In conclusion, if you are a WF sorc, best ask yourself why you chose that race in the first place. My WF sorc would roll over in his grave knowing that other WF sorcerers out there could be as stingy with thier sp.

There are many great duos in Stormreach, and some might say the WF tank/WF sorc is the best. So embrace your WF brothers, step up to the front of the line and take notice of not what seems like a pain, but rather the power.


You never said anything about him not being a WF sorc. It is okay though, I will sum it up.

Get to level 20 asap, then TR into a WF sorc. Problem solved, you now dont need to pug ever. Maybe with a wf tank, but only if he grabbed improved fort as a feat. Otherwise he is close enough to being a fleshy so forget about him.

[Zombiekenny]

On my wiz I will reconstruct situationally, but I don't let anyone know that I have that option (fleshy so having the spell isn't a given) unless it is needed, as I don't generally watch healthbars, so people will probably die if they rely on it. Its very rare that I get asked to watch people's health, and when I do its generally a situation where it is the best thing to do, so I was already doing it in addition to doing other fun stuff.
Just cause you need to repair someone every now and then doesn't mean you can't kill/cc to. It just means that you need to glance at someone's health every now and again.

Also keep in mind that when you toss that spell on a WF it makes them do stuff faster. If theres a WF in a fight, whether the cleric has asked for help or not, try to fix him up the first time its needed just so stuff dies faster. It saves the cleric SP, and it helps the party out.

[Daiur]

Is your sorc a WF? If yes, you should be taken out back and shot.

Most WF sorcs/wiz will sacrafice a lvl 6 spell slot to carry reconstruct. As for non-WF sorcerers, I would not expect them to carry the spell, but if they do, even better for the WF comrads.

Simply, if you are a WF, then be a WF. None of this,boo hoo hoo crying over having to heal another WF if you are one in the first place. Dude, you are a sorc, you have over 2500 sp. Reconstruct costs 35 (iirc).

In conclusion, if you are a WF sorc, best ask yourself why you chose that race in the first place. My WF sorc would roll over in his grave knowing that other WF sorcerers out there could be as stingy with thier sp.

There are many great duos in Stormreach, and some might say the WF tank/WF sorc is the best. So embrace your WF brothers, step up to the front of the line and take notice of not what seems like a pain, but rather the power.

Yes I am sure I am just lacking your skills in healing two WFs (three with me) with a CD spell, doing CC and pumping out Damage at the same time. I did ask a question in a reasonable manner and it would be nice to get a reasonable answer to it, not one like yours thanks anyways for some parts of it.
I am sure you are overly joyed when you're on a nuke built, join a group and the first thing said is: Now we don't need a healer, we got a reconstructer?

Cause those are the Things that I mean.

[Bunker]

Yes I am sure I am just lacking your skills in healing two WFs (three with me) with a CD spell, doing CC and pumping out Damage at the same time. I did ask a question in a reasonable manner and it would be nice to get a reasonable answer to it, not one like yours thanks anyways for some parts of it.
I am sure you are overly joyed when you're on a nuke built, join a group and the first thing said is: Now we don't need a healer, we got a reconstructer?

My response has nothing to do with my skill, or yours. But if you want a more simple answer, then here it is....



So my question is, is it the fate of the Sorc to become a Healbot in endgame?
No


Am I just overreacting or smth? :)
Yes

......now my additional information. If it was me, and I'm on a WF sorc, and the other WF melee in the party asks if you can recon. them......Try saying smth like this: "Hellz Yeah I Can Reconstruct Ya. WOOT, we are going to kick so Fleshie Arse!!!!!"

And then ask yourself why it is seems such a bother to you? Is it really that big of a deal?

[Daiur]

Like I said with the amount of WF in Pugs nowadays its not the "throw a reconstruct a time or two" but basically taking the role of a nearly Mainhealer.

geeze I was even asked in a PUG why I didnt have massreconstruct spells :)

And its just that currently I feel reduced to ONLY reconstruction.

[Zombiekenny]

Like I said with the amount of WF in Pugs nowadays its not the "throw a reconstruct a time or two" but basically taking the role of a nearly Mainhealer.

geeze I was even asked in a PUG why I didnt have massreconstruct spells :)

And its just that currently I feel reduced to ONLY reconstruction.

Then say "I can try to backup heal the WF as need be situationally, but I am not repair specced, and I do not have a lot of spells to repair, so I won't be able to primary-heal them."
Try to communicate instead of getting irritated.

[Kriogen]

...So my question is, is it the fate of the Sorc to become a Healbot in endgame?
Being told things like: "Just Reconstruct me, its the efficientest way to use your sp", is really a bother.
And to force the role of a healer onto a class that can do so much more... I am currently at the point that I don't join PUGs with WF in it. I rolled my sorc to have fun, not to be the healer for people who dont go Healers friend enhancement (something i think should count as broken built on ANY melee/heavy healdepending class).

Oppinions? Am I just overreacting or smth? :)
There are days when I have a feeling that thats DDO devs Master plan: Warriors fight, Blue Bar chars heal and buff Warriors.

It is like you said, because Casters can't really nuke. Warriors are primary source of damage. Barbs out-DPS a Sorc. Haste really is the most profitable source of damage.

If casters could really Nuke, then it would be: WF Figther protect Sorcerer, Sorc does damage, ...

Hmm, DDOs Nuke build is called Beserker Barbarian. I don't like, but thats the way it is. If it would be my way, Barb would be DPS and Sorc would be DPS. Different, but equal.

The only good thing is that you can solo anything with the exception of Raids. That WF barb/fighter can't solo much. You (sorc) don't need anyone for 99% of content, but it's also true, that you (sorc) are not needed for that last 1%. Arcanes are not really needed in raids.

DDO does a couple of things different. Maybe it's good, maybe it's bad, but it is what it is.

[Bunker]

Then say "I can try to backup heal the WF as need be situationally, but I am not repair specced, and I do not have a lot of spells to repair, so I won't be able to primary-heal them."
Try to communicate instead of getting irritated.

I agree with the whole communication part. That is the way to roll in Stormreach when grouped in a Pug. However, if you are a WF sorc and you have reconstruct, that is the definition of repair specced. :D

[Mentor61]

I agree with the whole communication part. That is the way to roll in Stormreach when grouped in a Pug. However, if you are a WF sorc and you have reconstruct, that is the definition of repair specced. :D



Bunk,what you're missing is he's fed up with being a healer,whether he actually plays one or his sorc.I too was in the same boat,one of the main reasons i TR'd into a human.Fed up with being the nanny,a Sorc is nuking not a healer.That's why I went 1-20 solo on my wf caster,so i don't have to carry some dead weight that needs constant healing.

When i play a caster it's to kjeal not hjeal.

[Bunker]

Bunk,what you're missing is he's fed up with being a healer,whether he actually plays one or his sorc.I too was in the same boat,one of the main reasons i TR'd into a human.Fed up with being the nanny,a Sorc is nuking not a healer.That's why I went 1-20 solo on my wf caster,so i don't have to carry some dead weight that needs constant healing.

When i play a caster it's to kjeal not hjeal.

I"m not missing anything. I'm just taking the "your a WF, should it really matter" stance. Simply, in your case, if you are fed up, then just don't do it.

Also, being able to solo 1-20 on a sorc is a feat, but not that great of one. I feel bad for those that do not know the true power of duos like a WF caster/tank. But hey, solo to your hearts content, ddo is good for both solo and group.

I personally TR'd from a WF to a drow, and I'm happy to recon my fellow WF. But that is me. One extra body out there keeping mobs off me.

[Mentor61]

I"m not missing anything. I'm just taking the "your a WF, should it really matter" stance. Simply, in your case, if you are fed up, then just don't do it.

Also, being able to solo 1-20 on a sorc is a feat, but not that great of one. I feel bad for those that do not know the true power of duos like a WF caster/tank. But hey, solo to your hearts content, ddo is good for both solo and group.

I personally TR'd from a WF to a drow, and I'm happy to recon my fellow WF. But that is me. One extra body out there keeping mobs off me.

Possibly.But if i have just enough sp to blow through a quest and keeping someone up costs me 10% mana then i don't have enough to actually get to end or shrine.X10 if it's a WF barb sponge.

[Bunker]

Possibly.But if i have just enough sp to blow through a quest and keeping someone up costs me 10% mana then i don't have enough to actually get to end or shrine.X10 if it's a WF barb sponge.

Mentor: Play a sorc. Better yet play a WF sorc, and then come back and comment.

[Mentor61]

Mentor: Play a sorc. Better yet play a WF sorc, and then come back and comment.


Leveled one on thelanis to 16 then 20,leveled a 28 human on cannith,tr'd into a wf 34 pointer tr'd again as a human 36 pointer.What was that again?

[Kadran]

Simple solution? Tell them to heal themselves, or bring someone who is dedicated to healing. You are self-sufficient. That does not mean a babysitter. Screw them.

[Cyr]

OP there is no excuse for a warforged without healers friend. There are only two places where you SHOULD be healing a warforged in raids. 1) VoD with warforged as main tank (by no means the best way to run the raid fyi, but many do) 2) ToD with warforged on Jailer, or warforged on Sully

Otherwise, they should have enough healer's friend and healing enhancements to be healed just fine by the divines and in raids that usually means masses when it matters.

[Danmor]

As someone who plays mainly divine healers I find this whole thread very amusing.
Clerics/FvS can kill stuff too ... if they don't have to watch red bars all the time.

[Mentor61]

As someone who plays mainly divine healers I find this whole thread very amusing.
Clerics/FvS can kill stuff too ... if they don't have to watch red bars all the time.

You're funny.Which should heal more the guy that has the heal spell or wall of fire?

[Aspenor]

The simple answer here is "no," at least for most quests.

There are only a few situations where you should be expected to be a "WF healbot." These are in VOD on the tank if they are warforged, and in TOD on the main tank if they are warforged. In normal questing there is no reason you should have to sit around and watch the WF health and heal. Of course, in normal questing you should be able to at the very least keep an eye on another WF's health and give him a reconstruct if you see he's getting low and needs one, but you should not be expected to do ONLY that. Your spell points can be better spent doing other things at the same time.

[Danmor]

You're funny.Which should heal more the guy that has the heal spell or wall of fire?

It's not a question of who should heal more, but whether to heal or not. Btw, Wall of Fire is not the be all end all spell. There are enough situations where a blade barrier is of more use than a wall of fire.
So it shouldn't be too much to expect the sorc/wiz that carries the reconstruct spell to watch a warforged's health bar in normal quests. To paraphrase the old cleric motto: A sorcerer can do so much more than just nuking ^^

[Vhlad]

My drow sorc has reconstruct.

Every arcane should have reconstruct IMO.

Learn to keep an eye on your robotic companions while nuking, CC, doing whatever you normally do. Keeping a few WF up should not replace your prior activities. Learn to do both simultaneously.

i.e. VOD as a drow sorc with a WF tanking: spam reconstruct scrolls, possible reconstruct spell as needed, make sure everyone is hasted and raged, webs/fogs for bats, waves of fatigue & waves of exhaustion the raid boss, displacement on the player with orthon aggro.

VOD as a drow sorc without a WF tanking: make sure everyone is hasted and raged, webs/fogs for bats, waves of fatigue & waves of exhaustion the raid boss, displacement on the player with orthon aggro.

All that changes in this case is you spend more time standing around doing nothing.

Stretch your arms a bit, crack your knuckles, and learn to increase your actions per minute.

[Tyrande]

[...]
So my question is, is it the fate of the Sorc to become a Healbot in endgame?


no



Being told things like: "Just Reconstruct me, its the efficientest way to use your sp", is really a bother.
And to force the role of a healer onto a class that can do so much more... I am currently at the point that I don't join PUGs with WF in it. I rolled my sorc to have fun, not to be the healer for people who dont go Healers friend enhancement (something i think should count as broken built on ANY melee/heavy healdepending class).

Oppinions? Am I just overreacting or smth? :)

Perhaps. If you don't like how the sorcerer is currently implemented in end game, you can do two things:

1) File a bug saying why you think the current implementation of sorcerer is being un-fun in endgame, and do a statistical analysis of where the damage output versus melee classes and how you perceive where the damage should be, versus other online MMOs, like Guild Wars, WoW, etc.

2) Do not group with PUGS with Warforged in them. Since there is casual mode, just bring a hireling cleric to duo with yourselves, especially the level 17 one with Divine Vitality III. You are lucky if you find a real life cleric with Divine Vitality nowadays unless its a guild cleric.

As for myself, I do not mind reconstructing for WF in raids like VOD, AS LONG AS I GET COMPENSATED for using mana pots. What I hate was, used X amount of mana pots, came the completion quest: bird chips and none of the warforged offered platinum or mana pots for the mana pots used. Nowadays, they are expensive: over 500,000 per pot to be purchased from AH or 1395 T points for 100 best SP pots. If there is a way to tip Turbine Points, I would have asked them to do so.

3) Communication that you are not forced spec'd and offered to drop group if asked to do a "primary" reconstruct instead of "backup".

[Phidius]

...
So my question is, is it the fate of the Sorc to become a Healbot in endgame?
Being told things like: "Just Reconstruct me, its the efficientest way to use your sp", is really a bother...

With a few exceptions, if the WF Barb/Fighter/etc... is taking so much damage that I am spending all of my time and SP reconstructing them, it really ISN'T the most effective use of my SP.


...And to force the role of a healer onto a class that can do so much more...

Agreed - there is a time and a place for people to fill a role, but should never be forced onto them.


...The only good thing is that you can solo anything with the exception of Raids...

Many of the raids have been soloed by arcane. It's a common misconception that you must be a melee class to be effective in the raids.



You're funny.Which should heal more the guy that has the Blade Barrier spell or wall of fire?

Fixed that for you.

[Bunker]

Leveled one on thelanis to 16 then 20,leveled a 28 human on cannith,tr'd into a wf 34 pointer tr'd again as a human 36 pointer.What was that again?

Well if you have done all that, I would have thought your grasp of sp a sorc has vs what is needed to finish a quest would be better understood.

I'm sure sorcerers that are more worried about the few times they might have to recon. a WF, are better off sticking to solo play.

[Bunker]

My drow sorc has reconstruct.

Every arcane should have reconstruct IMO.

Learn to keep an eye on your robotic companions while nuking, CC, doing whatever you normally do. Keeping a few WF up should not replace your prior activities. Learn to do both simultaneously.

i.e. VOD as a drow sorc with a WF tanking: spam reconstruct scrolls, possible reconstruct spell as needed, make sure everyone is hasted and raged, webs/fogs for bats, waves of fatigue & waves of exhaustion the raid boss, displacement on the player with orthon aggro.

VOD as a drow sorc without a WF tanking: make sure everyone is hasted and raged, webs/fogs for bats, waves of fatigue & waves of exhaustion the raid boss, displacement on the player with orthon aggro.

All that changes in this case is you spend more time standing around doing nothing.

Stretch your arms a bit, crack your knuckles, and learn to increase your actions per minute.

Although I don't agree 100% with Vhlad about having reconstruct on every caster, I definitly agree with his ideal on the subject.

As I read this, I see Vhlad trying to express that as a sorc, instead of worrying about doing less, try to do more.

I am totally all about that. No player should ever want to work hard at doing less. If you are a fleshy sorc, have a few recon scrolls, heal scrolls for yourself, restoration scrolls for members of the party that need it, heck as a class that can obtain a fairly high UMD, that is the whole idea.

Do more, not less. And when asked if you can do something, reply saying Hellz Yeeeah!!!!

We all know those types that will abuse thier party members. Those that will do as little as possible. I believe the industry term is piking, iirc. I have found that the more you do, you will be recognized in a positive way for this very thing. And in the end, you will find yourself grouping with players more frequent that share the same ideals.

[Mentor61]

Well if you have done all that, I would have thought your grasp of sp a sorc has vs what is needed to finish a quest would be better understood.

I'm sure sorcerers that are more worried about the few times they might have to recon. a WF, are better off sticking to solo play.


For the 2 quests in the game I would need to reconstruct (VOD + TOD) I think you guys are blowing a lot of hot air.It's news to me that when you're a sorc and a WF joins group you automatically become a healer.

And don't you worry about playing solo,been doing that 99% of the time to avoid that very situation and it's been a frustration-free leveling for my TR.Hireling cleric ftw.

[Aspenor]

For the 2 quests in the game I would need to reconstruct (VOD + TOD) I think you guys are blowing a lot of hot air.It's news to me that when you're a sorc and a WF joins group you automatically become a healer.

And don't you worry about playing solo,been doing that 99% of the time to avoid that very situation and it's been a frustration-free leveling for my TR.Hireling cleric ftw.

The person you're quoting says nothing about when a warforged joins that you automatically become a "healer." They are stating that there is no harm in having the spell loaded and being a team player by healing the warforged character when needed (which really shouldn't be all that often).

We also don't care about how often you solo, you're saying that like it's some kind of special accomplishment. The vast majority of us can do that too...and don't need a hireling cleric. Hirelings get in the way.

[Lorz]

OP there is no excuse for a warforged without healers friend. There are only two places where you SHOULD be healing a warforged in raids. 1) VoD with warforged as main tank (by no means the best way to run the raid fyi, but many do) 2) ToD with warforged on Jailer, or warforged on Sully

Otherwise, they should have enough healer's friend and healing enhancements to be healed just fine by the divines and in raids that usually means masses when it matters.
Be more specific....you only need Healers Friend if your a WF who cannot reconstruct. My WF sorc does not have an will not have Healers Friend. He is no friend to healers....he heals himself...and then rezes the cleric.

[Knippers]

This brightened my day. Another class complaining about being pigeon-holed into a limited style of play....

Wait. I'll brb after I get my popcorn. :D

[Phidius]

...and don't need a hireling cleric. Hirelings get in the way.

Not me - I keep a lever-puller-of-divine-vitality in my inventory all the time

[Aspenor]

Not me - I keep a lever-puller-of-divine-vitality in my inventory all the time

and when they're done with that, they're dismissed because they get in the way ;)

[Turtlsdown]

Wow, why all the hostility fellas? The guy asked a legitimate question. No need for the thread to get frothy. Back on topic, if somebody wanted to go through the wonders of healing others, they could either make a healbot Cleric, healbot FvS, and by that token a healbot Sorc/Wiz. They could put in their bio "healbot sorc". Otherwise, people can and will play the classes how they like.

My WF sorc has repair spells only because they are usefull for him and he will heal other WF in the group when he notices they are in need of it. *However*, he will laugh at other WF who are not self-sufficient enough to keep themselves from dying when and if he doesn't heal them in time, and who start to yell at him angrily for not healing them. I'm using a spell on them that happens to be beneficial (just like any buff, or offensive spell) for the situation but I'm not a dedicated healer. That's all there is to it. Anyone who groups with me and has a big need to tell me my "place" is welcome (VERY welcome, plz for the love of god, and for both our sakes) to not party with me ever again. Pretty simple concept, and I think it applies well to any class.

Turbine, make a prestige path for Sorcs that is bascially the "Arcane Mechanic" with nice enhancement lines for repair spells and maybe some kind of buff abilities for WF etc. This would make it easier for people to say "oh, good, here comes a Arcane Mechanic. Our WF party members are gonna be taken care of..." instead of bothering sorcs and wizzies who maybe have alts that are cleric/fvs healbots and are sick and tired of nursing others (after a career as a healer, this can be a legit burnout, trust me) and just want to get in on the "slinging spells that go boom!" action for a while. ;)

[tgun]

You're funny.Which should heal more the guy that has the heal spell or wall of fire?

This can be turned around too.

You're funny. Which should heal the WF more the guy that has the reconstruct spell or blade barrier? :)

[ddoer]

Is your sorc a WF? If yes, you should be taken out back and shot.

Most WF sorcs/wiz will sacrafice a lvl 6 spell slot to carry reconstruct. As for non-WF sorcerers, I would not expect them to carry the spell, but if they do, even better for the WF comrads.

Simply, if you are a WF, then be a WF. None of this,boo hoo hoo crying over having to heal another WF if you are one in the first place. Dude, you are a sorc, you have over 2500 sp. Reconstruct costs 35 (iirc).

In conclusion, if you are a WF sorc, best ask yourself why you chose that race in the first place. My WF sorc would roll over in his grave knowing that other WF sorcerers out there could be as stingy with thier sp.

There are many great duos in Stormreach, and some might say the WF tank/WF sorc is the best. So embrace your WF brothers, step up to the front of the line and take notice of not what seems like a pain, but rather the power.

/signed

i don't think every arcane has to load reconstruct, but every caster should have reconstruct scroll and keep an eye on WF if possible, or at least when people say WF needs heal, you could give him a hand.

if a party has too many WFs that require arcane caster to act as a healer, and you don't like to act as a healer, there is sth wrong with the party formation. You should just drop group and join another. When I was leveling my cleric, I usually form my own group and i seldom take more than one WF melee. If there are too many barb and WF, I'll discuss with them to sort out how to heal and inform them I won't be able to heal them fast enough and they have to bring their repair pots. if there is a WF caster or Wiz, I'll ask if he can do reconstruct. If he is not willing to reconstruct, i won't force but will take less WF class in the party to make sure I'm comfortable to keep the party alive. There is no way you should be forced to act as a healbot if you don't want to.

My sorc didn't load reconstruct. And I never like to act as a WF repairman.

[Lorz]

This can be turned around too.

You're funny. Which should heal the WF more the guy that has the reconstruct spell or blade barrier? :)

Well seeing as my healing clerics can heal for 600~1000 hp....and my WF Sorc can only reconstruct for 300 max...im thinking its probably my Healer.

What are you thinking?

[Lleren]

I think very few players create characters in DDO intending to be pure healbots. Remember the healer phrase "Can't heal stupid" and find your own limits.

I think avoiding groups/raids that any melee style Warforged are involved in is farther then I would want to go.

[Varis]

I'm suprised that people act like 2500 mana is "sooooo" much... I have 3080+ and I still have to watch my mana carefully.


Of course, if your playstyle is to just tag along the back of the group and toss a web here, a reconstruct there and spice it up with the occasional energy drain + insta kill, then I have 0 pity on your for being stuck as the heal gimp.

[Nick_RC]

Completely agree with bunker. When I'm on my sorc gimme a poweful tank and il reconstruct him all day long and duo every quest in the game. And that's on top of doing the rest of the fun stuff. If ur doing ur cc, nuking etc. the tank won't be taking al that much damage anyhow. Personally with 36 points drow (32)has become alot more attractive. IMO it's a wash now between the three races.

And to the person who think sorcs can't nuke I lol at you.

N

[Aspenor]

Completely agree with bunker. When I'm on my sorc gimme a poweful tank and il reconstruct him all day long and duo every quest in the game. And that's on top of the well as doing the rest of the fun stuff. If ur doing ur cc nukng thetank won't be taking al that much damage anyhow. Personally with 36 points drow (32)has become alot more attractive. IMO it's a wash now between the three races.

And to the person who think sorcs can't nuke I lol at you.

N

let me guess, you typed this from your cell phone ;) you talk to bill today?

oh, and /qft

[Nick_RC]

let me guess, you typed this from your cell phone ;) you talk to bill today?

oh, and /qft

yeah bro singing class lol. Typos ftl :( just chatted with him be on late nite tonight.

[tgun]

Well seeing as my healing clerics can heal for 600~1000 hp....and my WF Sorc can only reconstruct for 300 max...im thinking its probably my Healer.

What are you thinking?


I'm thinking that is awesome if you can heal a WF without healers friend for 600-1000 hp. You say "my healing clerics" so I'd assume you built them to heal and are happy doing so. If thats the case, great, I'd imagine you would be a welcome addition to any party.

But clerics can do so much more than just heal as well. Just like a sorc can do more than just cast wall of fire. What is wrong with everyone in the group doing everything they can do to complete the quest? If that means the sorc helping the cleric by throwing a reconstruct occasionally or the cleric casting something besides heal spells then why not?

At the same time that means the WF should have healers friend and everyone should try to be somewhat self sufficient because that is them doing their part to complete the quest.

[Pyromaniac]

Here's my thoughts on WF and Sorcs.

Every WF should have some healers friend/healing amp worked in their build imo. Or get used to switching to a non-WF tank if we can't find a sorc/wizard to help with the heals. On a cleric/FvS, healing a non-heal friendly/non-amp WF tank is like healing a brick. Letting them die and doing full res is probably cheaper.

If you are a sorc at end game, and want to play in raids/epic questing, you should carry reconstruct as a spell. Its normally not efficient to have more than one arcane caster in TOD/Epic Raids. We try to carry two in guild as a lot of the loot is caster specific. Turbine has decided that DDO is all about the melee at end game. Pretty helpful if a sorc can recon (and scrolls can be slow) spell the numerous 'WF Pally with Epic SOS flavor of forever builds" coming up.

I've gone so far as having 3 single repair and 2 mass repair spells on a human sorc combined with force spec enhancements just to see how it was. Its still way easier to heal a party of fleshies on my FvS than on a sorc specced for repair healing a party of WF. Mass repair needs some work to make it as viable as mass healing spells (i.e. Mass Recon). I'll be going with recon spell only in the future.

Playing a sorc is painful enough at times in current end game content - its even worse if you play a repairbot sorc. Having the ability to help spot heal via recon spell is fine. But if your role is to be primary repairbot, its not worth playing. Join the crowd, get a 'WF Pally with Epic SOS' and pug the repairbot job out.