Epic Fail is going Epic

[Aelowynne]

Hi all!

Epic Fail is pleased to announce the formation of a sub guild within the Epic Fail umbrella geared towards elite raiding and Epic Content. This guild will be made up of current Epic Fail members and guild allies with common purpose, attitude and vision. This is a guild designed for people who want the challenge of the hardest content the server has to offer and want to put in the time, effort and resources required for this playstyle.

Current raiding within Epic Fail will contune as ussual.

The Guild will be called Epic.

This guild will function differently than many people are used to. Some examples include:

Players will be expected to contribute plat and pots on a regular basis to help fund the effort.

Loot will not be rolled on by classes that can kinda use it. Loot will be assigned to the most logical person, and rolls will only be used in cases where 2 or more people are of equal need.

We will not be filling our raids with puggers. Raids will contain current and prospective members. Any empty spots may be filled with current Epic Fail members.

The guild is exclusive and not easy to gain membership in. However, if at first you don't succeed, try try again. If you are not accepted into the guild innitially, a reason will be given. If you are able to find a way to improve or correct the issue, we will take a second look.

Membership to the guild will require the unanimous agreement of a 5 person ruling body. This body is made up of Bril/Vixa, Cruven, Shaerza/Weasal, Trulath and Sparticus/Titanticus.

If there are any questions, please direct them to one of the above players.

If you think you are a good fit for this guild, please contact Sparticus via in-game mail to make application for the guild.

Thanks

Sparticus

[Mysterium]

Assigning gear? Really? Lern2dkp.

Seriously though, good luck going hardcore. I hope you guys manage to keep having fun. Good luck! :D

[Tulnavara]

Please god no more DKP.

[Silverleafeon]

Hi officers of Epic and Epic Fail,

I run a highly efficent halfling favored soul lvl 18 named Iliona, and I recently used lesser reincarnation which maintained my listing of friends but wiped clean my notes on the players themselves.

So I decided to keep a notebook with notes jotted down about characters that I game with.

As I do party with Epic Fail guild member often enough, I have a few questions that I hope you will be kind enough to answer. I shall start my notebook here hoping you will answer:


1) Is there any particular reason for the name "Epic Fail"? Any story or point of interest that we should know. {I have asked several guild members this question without an answer.}

2) Is there any particular meaning for the phrase "Non Epic Fail"? Any inside joke or abreviation we should know? {My current assumption of the phrase is thus "You have made a mistake that we members of Epic Fail would never make." Used in certain circumstances this could be taken as insulting.}

3) Is it not traditional to say "Thanks for the heals" {tyfths} at least once to a specialized healer during a series of quests regardless of whether that healer is a member of your guild or not? A certain portion of your guild members do not bother to type a simple "ty for heals". It happens often enough that perhaps an officer should speak to the group as a whole about this matter.

4) Should I have cause to praise or complain about members of these two guilds, Epic Fail and Epic, who should I contact? {Healers spend about 3/4 of their time tracking other party member's health, status, location, and activity therefore they have a very good handle on what other players are like, but a very poor understanding of a dungeon's layout.}

5) What does the word "Pug" stand for? {I assume it means random unknown players?}

6) Iliona usually passes on rolling for any items, so from my point of view letting the best choice for the item is not a problematic philosophy.

7) What does the phrase DKP mean? {Yes, I am asking a lot of question, but that is how we learn easily. I am halfway between college and retirement, not a teenager. I did discover a powerful healing build that is not posted on the boards, and how to obtain starter eternal wands with a veteran character.}

8) Are you expecting a highly effeciant healer to donate pots and plat when they buy ddo sp pots for their character already? It is usually tradition to give a healer gifts to help them out, but I have a build that usually does not require sp pots at all except in extreme prolonged dangers.

9) How patient will this new elite Epic guild be? As Iliona grows towards level 20, she will obtain cure light wounds at will which will amplified by many large bonuses. This means that if players want to wait to be healed before charging to the next battle, they could be healed for free. Or will they do like a certain amount of gamers, who will not pause for a second or two after a battle to allow me time to target everyone to heal up injuries. {Perhaps monks and fighters prefer to race to the next battle while the ki and action points are still running?}

10) Who are your "guild allies" that you mention in the first post? Does that include Iliona who unselfishly heals your guild members without needing any resources from them?

11) Do you intend to help healers follow you with a bit of patience, realizing that the more efficent a healer is, the more difficulty they have getting lost simply by the nature of their role?

12) I assume that you do not want members of this guild to use Greater Reincarnate, is that correct? {As a healer, I sense a certain amount of players wanting me to stay high level and be flagged for all the raids.}

[Tulnavara]

1) Is there any particular reason for the name "Epic Fail"? Any story or point of interest that we should know. {I have asked several guild members this question without an answer.}

2) Is there any particular meaning for the phrase "Non Epic Fail"? Any inside joke or abreviation we should know? {My current assumption of the phrase is thus "You have made a mistake that we members of Epic Fail would never make." Used in certain circumstances this could be taken as insulting.}

3) Is it not traditional to say "Thanks for the heals" {tyfths} at least once to a specialized healer during a series of quests regardless of whether that healer is a member of your guild or not? A certain portion of your guild members do not bother to type a simple "ty for heals". It happens often enough that perhaps an officer should speak to the group as a whole about this matter.

4) Should I have cause to praise or complain about members of these two guilds, Epic Fail and Epic, who should I contact? {Healers spend about 3/4 of their time tracking other party member's health, status, location, and activity therefore they have a very good handle on what other players are like, but a very poor understanding of a dungeon's layout.}

5) What does the word "Pug" stand for? {I assume it means random unknown players?}

6) Iliona usually passes on rolling for any items, so from my point of view letting the best choice for the item is not a problematic philosophy.

7) What does the phrase DKP mean? {Yes, I am asking a lot of question, but that is how we learn easily. I am halfway between college and retirement, not a teenager. I did discover a powerful healing build that is not posted on the boards, and how to obtain starter eternal wands with a veteran character.}

8) Are you expecting a highly effeciant healer to donate pots and plat when they buy ddo sp pots for their character already? It is usually tradition to give a healer gifts to help them out, but I have a build that usually does not require sp pots at all except in extreme prolonged dangers.

9) How patient will this new elite Epic guild be? As Iliona grows towards level 20, she will obtain cure light wounds at will which will amplified by many large bonuses. This means that if players want to wait to be healed before charging to the next battle, they could be healed for free. Or will they do like a certain amount of gamers, who will not pause for a second or two after a battle to allow me time to target everyone to heal up injuries. {Perhaps monks and fighters prefer to race to the next battle while the ki and action points are still running?}

10) Who are your "guild allies" that you mention in the first post? Does that include Iliona who unselfishly heals your guild members without needing any resources from them?

11) Do you intend to help healers follow you with a bit of patience, realizing that the more efficent a healer is, the more difficulty they have getting lost simply by the nature of their role?

12) I assume that you do not want members of this guild to use Greater Reincarnate, is that correct? {As a healer, I sense a certain amount of players wanting me to stay high level and be flagged for all the raids.}

1) Soul Probably thought it would be a funny guild name. He has, what some would say, an odd sense of humor.

2) This one confused me.

3) I don't know about thanking for standard heals. If a healer is exceptional I always compliment them on it.

4) In Epic Fail, Tossing is the guild ethics officer. Otherwise any other officer will take your complaint/praise and try to constructively pass it on.

5) Pick-up Group. Grabbing people that you generally do not know.

6) We agree.

7) Dragon Killing Points. Started in Everquest by raiding guilds as a way to award items to guild members. Basically Boss A gives X points. Loot B is worth X points. You earn them by attending raids and spend them by picking up items. It's a good system in the right game, I don't feel DDO is that game though.

8) If you have your own then I don't think we would expect you to buy more. Generally the donations are FOR the healers to get what they need to help everyone complete the quest.

9) Efficiency is #1 in Epic content. I would expect anyone in an Epic quest to be ready between pulls before initiating the next, rushing = wipes.

10) Guild allies refers to those people who routinely run raids with us who are not a part of Epic Fail but show exemplary skills and attitude.

11) As you become a more efficient player following should not be a problem. There are a few tricks that allow you to continue casting while moving.

12) I assume you mean True Reincarnate. No specific answer on this. As far as I know it has not been discussed but the nature of the guild is doing epic/elite raid content, hard to do if not 20.


I hope this answers all of your questions.

[Verimont]

I think to answer your Question #2, the term Non Epic Fail refers to some people who may not like either certain (or all) members of EF, therefore then want a party filled with "Non Epic Fail" players. That is the only thing I can think of, but not 100% sure if thats what the OP meant in his question.

[Mythal]

you guys should call it "HI InFidelity 2".......

lol ;)
gg hf dd (good game, have fun, dont die! :)

[Vanshilar]

I run a highly efficent halfling favored soul lvl 18 named Iliona, and I recently used lesser reincarnation which maintained my listing of friends but wiped clean my notes on the players themselves.

So I decided to keep a notebook with notes jotted down about characters that I game with.

I haven't messed with reincarnation, but I would guess that if you had exported your friends list before reincarnating, and then imported it afterwards, the notes you had made about the players would remain.

[Silverleafeon]

Thanks for the answers

I do hope more people will thank a healer once per a session, it is rather easy to type tyfths, it is good to hear that you do compliment exceptional healers. Having only mostly played healers, I don't have much experience of what low quality healers are like since I am doing the healing. Myself, I try to remember to thank the arcane for their spectacular spells and the melee/ranged for their many kills and the trapbusters for their disarms.

Since I am not a member of your guilds, please provide me with a listing of some officers that I can contact in the event I have a comment to make about a guild member.

The second time I heard a reference to "non epic fail" was right after I ran into a very hidden hazzard (a deep narrow trench with deep lava at the bottom). I was rushing as the group had gotten ahead of me in a complex dungeon and assumed that they had jumped down into the trench as a route. The person behind me died and the cleric who came to ressurect me died as well. (I guess he tried to get line of sight and moved too close.)

I do cast healing on the move quite a bit. I found the main problem with casting while moving is that walls block line of sight often and that many healing spells have limited ranges. Casting a spell slows your speed down as well, placing more possiblities of broken line of sight, after 2 or 3 failed casting due to broken line of sight one falls behind a bit even with running gear at which point one has to result to higher level spells to gain enough range to heal. A simple gather for one mass cure actually at times would be more effecient.

Healing on the run also presents the problem of my concentration on chasing down other characters instead of paying attention to the dungeon layout. Mass Buffing while moving is even worse as it usually only hit 2/3 or less of the characters in the best of circumstances.

I am not quite sure why you need a new guild instead of making ranks within your old guild, but I am sure that you have a better understanding of this than I. Has your guild gotten too big?

The true ressurection issue is something for all to consider, cause a lot of level 20 players talk as if sooner or later they want to do this. Therefore over time, eventually all the members of the guild may want to do thus.

Cheers,
Iliona

[Tulnavara]

Right before you cast your spell jump in the air, with FF and a decent jump you will not slow down at all.

[Carpone]

Assigning gear? Really? Lern2dkp.
Loot Council > DKP. I've run both as guild leader and officer in WoW raiding guilds and loot council wins hands down.

Glad to see Orien raiding maturing to this point. Best of luck with <Epic>.

[Silverleafeon]

Right before you cast your spell jump in the air, with FF and a decent jump you will not slow down at all.
Thanks :)

My jump is out of this world (37 without buffs) so I can keep up, jump over traps, leap past all the monsters drawing aggro on others, and impress local shopkeepers.

[thandros]

Yah i ran in eq back when dkp was Dragon kill points was to distribute loot for Nafagen and Lady Vox well back then all corpses decays in 5 minutes so loot had to be done fast.
In general i think loot council works 100* beter than dkpin the long run it basicly depends on the people. Always will be people who are upset with any sort of loot system though.
the best system i saw was a loot council where a representaive of each class who was voted on by each class and officers could sugest but had no direct vote on loot distrabution.
And has for someone who has been on Both sides of a Dkp points system. I so much prefer loot council.
Thand Ros <Epic Fail> ddo
Thand Ros <Legions of Darkness> Innroukk eq

[chaltom]

Unfortunatly due to the original name some players may have felt it best to be fail..both in how they ran with groups and as well as respecting others...

The problem was I ran with Epic on other servers THere players are not fail they are quality humans playing a great game...


For the rest of the people that do not Know...Not all of epic fail is fail they have alot of great memebers...

[Tynien]

I actually haven't run into *any* Epic Fail that are fail, so far. Not sure who you had the misfortune to cross paths with.

[Verimont]

I actually haven't run into *any* Epic Fail that are fail, so far. Not sure who you had the misfortune to cross paths with.

If I had to guess... it was Hiromo.

[Tulnavara]

Poor poor Hiromo.

[Verimont]

Poor us.... for putting up with his.... oddities

[LunaCee]

Well a certain somebody's barbarian was frenzying and just couldn't resist hitting the demon queen a couple times... barely got out in one piece he did...

[Verimont]

he does that on his cleric too...

[Mythal]

If I had to guess... it was Hiromo.

ROFL!!!

seems you guys take anyone tho, when reality strikes ;)
much different than what your post claims......
whatever gets the job done tho, i guess!

[Omni]

* * * is this? Bash Hiromo day? Now Hiromo has a couple issues, but don't we all? I know I do.

I can't think of a nicer guy in the game, as long as you don't tell him your warforged can be healed as well as anything else with a heal spell.

Much love I R H omo, you can roll w/me anyday and if someone has a problem you, they can meet me in the lobster and we'll talk about it.

On a side note, I've gotten alot of negative reputation in these threads, and I've began to wonder, if everyone gives me negative rep can I get a full bar of red blocks?

Hmmm,

Help me find out by giving me negative rep.

Ok, I'll help persuade you... follow this link >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0

[Silverleafeon]

I talked to Argitha (who just used TR, but was a level 20 sorcerer who knows I can keep up with wild chases in the Vale) a little bit ago.

Argitha recommended I use keyboard steering (adding the strafe left right above the normal turn keys) and also stop using map to guide me so much, paying attention to the terrain features more.

So, I turned off my maps some of the time, and reduced them others, trying to pay more attention to my surroundings.

I tried out the keyboard steering and found it much better for casting on the run, and with a bit of practice in not over steering like it. However, I then ran into situations (turns on high ledges, swimming, etc) where the mouse lock steering is much better (explaining to me why some sorcerers have a habit of falling off high ledges). Eventually I decided to leave mouse lock on, and swap back and forth between keyboard steering and mouse lock steering.

I also decided to not worry if someone plays stupid, and just enjoy myself. If I cannot heal someone, they can come to me...

With all that I became more comfortable with my character. (Thanks all :)

Yesterday I ran into Flamicia and had a chat with her. She/he seemed nice to talk to. As I have several friends in Epic Fail, I talked with Wyett and ended up joining Epic Fail.

I decided not to True Resurrect Iliona, but will wait to think about the Epic guild. I heard that healers need evasion in Epic Quests. Is that true? Cause I would rather have the Favored Soul capstone instead.

I do have a second character, Cheribin (healing + traps and locks) working her way up. She would have evasion.

[Verimont]

Soul, I just poke fun at Hiromo, but he's a solid player, and if I need a 2nd healer for a party, I always look for him on Grutche.

Silverleafeon, Healers do not need Evasion for Epic quests. As you can probably tell from my Sig, I have a Pure 20 FvS and I can handle being the only healer in the quests we have been doing, as long as one of the people ISNT Varsh. The traps in epic difficulty hit for 500+ and The Improved Evasion people who have been coming along with us still have trouble avoiding the traps even with their high reflex saves.

[Silverleafeon]

Thank you, that is good to know.

Had fun leading shard quests in Inspired Quarter today, some EF members got real nice loot.

[Tulnavara]

ROFL!!!

seems you guys take anyone tho, when reality strikes ;)
much different than what your post claims......
whatever gets the job done tho, i guess!

Hiromo is an excellent healer, who knows his role extremely well in groups on his cleric. He's also very eager to learn, takes instruction extremely well and is a very easy going and generally fun to group with player. This is exactly the type of player we looked for. Grutche is another story though......

[Mythal]

Hiromo is an excellent healer, who knows his role extremely well in groups on his cleric. He's also very eager to learn, takes instruction extremely well and is a very easy going and generally fun to group with player. This is exactly the type of player we looked for. Grutche is another story though......

grutche = hiromo

so you just contradicted yourself ;)
he is a good healer, i give him that. few clerics even know how the class is designed much less how to play one, though. he is a healbot - but clerics are much more than a healbot. however, as said there arent really any good clerics on orien aside from 2 that i know, and 1 is with us. most people roll cleric just to be a healbot. waste of time imo but thats how a noob can actually get into a real group nowadays.

[Tulnavara]

grutche = hiromo

so you just contradicted yourself ;)
he is a good healer, i give him that. few clerics even know how the class is designed much less how to play one, though. he is a healbot - but clerics are much more than a healbot. however, as said there arent really any good clerics on orien aside from 2 that i know, and 1 is with us. most people roll cleric just to be a healbot. waste of time imo but thats how a noob can actually get into a real group nowadays.

Whoa whoa whoa! Grutche is Hiromo?! NO WAI!?!?

[Verimont]

Whoa whoa whoa! Grutche is Hiromo?! NO WAI!?!?

Didn't you get that Memo?

[Tulnavara]

No, was it announced at the daily puppy kicking meeting?

[Verimont]

****, was that this week?

[Tulnavara]

Tuesdays at 6:41:37 GMT+6

[Verimont]

I'll make sure to mark that on my calander for next time.

[Tulnavara]

I hope you start taking it more seriously from here on out.

[Silverleafeon]

Hiromo is an excellent healer, who knows his role extremely well in groups on his cleric. He's also very eager to learn, takes instruction extremely well and is a very easy going and generally fun to group with player. This is exactly the type of player we looked for...

Well, I think in that case, you folks would love to have Iliona around too.

{I do need to take here into a few solo slayer runs to get more familiar with her new hotbar keys after doing lesser reincarnation first, but sounds like I ought to apply her for the Epic guild.}

[Silverleafeon]

...cleric...just to be a healbot...

Hmm...wonder where the term healbot came from?

It certainly does not describe a cute little halfling favored soul who can leap higher than the heavens, ah, maybe a warforged cleric--that sounds more like a "healbot".

Yah, no sense of humor or wisdom, just marching forward joining many pugs and dieing many grand senseless deaths...

LOL, Iliona and Cheribin are glad to have some intellent friends and hoping to make many more from amoung the mature players from all the guilds.

Thanks again for the good groups.

{And yes, we do heal warforged with pleasure, Iliona just shrugs and casts Heal for full effect and thanks them for not getting poisoned all the time...}

[Verimont]

Well, I think in that case, you folks would love to have Iliona around too.

{I do need to take here into a few solo slayer runs to get more familiar with her new hotbar keys after doing lesser reincarnation first, but sounds like I ought to apply her for the Epic guild.}

It never hurts to apply, just bear in mind that most of the Epic Members just True Reincarnated on Sunday, so it will be a few days till we hit 20 again.

[Tulnavara]

Never hurt to try indeed. We let Vex in after all.

[Radaan]

Loot Council > DKP. I've run both as guild leader and officer in WoW raiding guilds and loot council wins hands down.

Glad to see Orien raiding maturing to this point. Best of luck with <Epic>.

Quite the fan of Loot Council ruling myself, if done properly. Just remember, Ultimate Power corrupts ultimately.

[Silverleafeon]

On a side note, I've gotten alot of negative reputation in these threads, and I've began to wonder, if everyone gives me negative rep can I get a full bar of red blocks?

Hmmm,

Help me find out by giving me negative rep.
Sorry, but I will not help you fill up your red bars.
Have a cookie instead ;P

Perhaps posting these two threads in the proper guild folder would have helped matters. It does seem to make quite a difference sometimes.

I do have some additional questions, and as a letter to the recruiter has not been answered yet, so I will ask them here as the other thread is a trifle messy.

1) Am I correct to assume that Epic is a legitimate family guild with Epic Fail and not a split off due to political disagreements?

2) There was a mention of treasure distribution. Does that apply to treasures that bind and/or ingredient and/or named loot and/or other. Please specify.

3) Will one have access to the Epic Fail guild member Item to buy things at 44% discount if one is in the Epic guild and Item is online.

4) Epic Fail charges dues of 70,000 gp per week for each character level 10 and above that has logged on during the week. What should be expected of Epic?

5) Epic Fail does not allow healers that provide their own supplies to be exempt from these dues (because dues supply things such as boss beaters as well). Would you please verify your Epic Guild decision of exempting healer that provide their own supplies.

6) Should I rejoin Epic Fail with Iliona or Cheribin can i apply for heal scrolls and cure serious wands regardless of whether I am plaining on doing a raid regaining part of my dues in healing supplies {For example, may I ask for 2 cure serious wands and 20 Heal scrolls worth about 50,000 gp to me (and purchased at less than that by Item) per week per character paying dues?

{I dropped out of Epic Fail to adjust my playing style as I alternated characters to give better healer opportunities to more groupings within the guild and to adjust to using cure serious wands and heal scrolls which must be protected by dual quivers full of arrows to prevent damage to the expensive scrolls. Please keep the four sp pots that I mailed to Soul as a gift to the good players in Epic Fail.}

7) Does your two guilds have a website, it was not advertised on the message of the day at Epic Fail?

8) Should a lower level player who does not pay dues wish to have a few healing wands per week, how does one apply for them?

{Cure light wounds wands are cheap and really help up in dungeons to prolong sp.}

[Tulnavara]

Sorry, but I will not help you fill up your red bars.
Have a cookie instead ;P

Perhaps posting these two threads in the proper guild folder would have helped matters. It does seem to make quite a difference sometimes.

I do have some additional questions, and as a letter to the recruiter has not been answered yet, so I will ask them here as the other thread is a trifle messy.

1) Am I correct to assume that Epic is a legitimate family guild with Epic Fail and not a split off due to political disagreements?

2) There was a mention of treasure distribution. Does that apply to treasures that bind and/or ingredient and/or named loot and/or other. Please specify.

3) Will one have access to the Epic Fail guild member Item to buy things at 44% discount if one is in the Epic guild and Item is online.

4) Epic Fail charges dues of 70,000 gp per week for each character level 10 and above that has logged on during the week. What should be expected of Epic?

5) Epic Fail does not allow healers that provide their own supplies to be exempt from these dues (because dues supply things such as boss beaters as well). Would you please verify your Epic Guild decision of exempting healer that provide their own supplies.

6) Should I rejoin Epic Fail with Iliona or Cheribin can i apply for heal scrolls and cure serious wands regardless of whether I am plaining on doing a raid regaining part of my dues in healing supplies {For example, may I ask for 2 cure serious wands and 20 Heal scrolls worth about 50,000 gp to me (and purchased at less than that by Item) per week per character paying dues?

{I dropped out of Epic Fail to adjust my playing style as I alternated characters to give better healer opportunities to more groupings within the guild and to adjust to using cure serious wands and heal scrolls which must be protected by dual quivers full of arrows to prevent damage to the expensive scrolls. Please keep the four sp pots that I mailed to Soul as a gift to the good players in Epic Fail.}

7) Does your two guilds have a website, it was not advertised on the message of the day at Epic Fail?

8) Should a lower level player who does not pay dues wish to have a few healing wands per week, how does one apply for them?

{Cure light wounds wands are cheap and really help up in dungeons to prolong sp.}

1) Yes you are.
2) Named Raid Loot and Epic pieces
3) I don't see why not if Item will buy for you?
4) We ask after each run what the healers spent and chip in on the spot
5) We shares gud
6) Soul's call.
7) http://www.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=342853&TabID=2870233&PageName=Home
8) Got me

[Silverleafeon]

Thank you.
I much prefer this philosophy.

Iliona is such a hero for Haven I think I shall leave her there.

Ceribin was created in my brief stay at Epic Fail and was helping some TR characters level up, so I think I will use lesser ressurection to turn her into a full healer and apply for her to move over to the Epic guild.

Cheers

[Silverleafeon]

An interesting turn of events.

Haven, one of the old original guilds, has become locked up thru a series of accidents. Currently there is no successor and the leader who is not aware that they have become leader has not logged in for a month.

Iliona has founded the guild New Haven for members of Haven to move over to, therefore Cheribin will be slightly changed to maximize haggle so she can assist Iliona in this new guild.

So Cheribin respectfully withdraws her application to the guild Epic, and Iliona and Cheribin wish Epic and Epic Fail players the best of luck.

Iliona and New Haven would hope to befriend quality players and quality guilds in the hopes of gaming with all of you.