Observation concerning ditching.

[Tymoriel_Ayreweaver]

Anyone notice that the level of ditching seems to be on the rise lately? I have been around a while but I can not recall a time when there have been this many ditchers at every level... what i find disturbing is that some of these people are in well known and respected guilds. I don't know if these people are relatively new and have built squishy toons that can't hack it or if they are just inconsiderate and passive aggressive. What irritates me the most are these people who deliberately recall out and then re-enter before they ditch... there by costing the group 10% xp if no one had re-entered previously.

If it were only children behaving this way then I'd be more apt to write it off under lack of maturity. However, it is clearly not. It also seems to me that there are kids playing this game with maturity that far exceeds more than a few adults that are playing. Very sad indeed.

[Syrbryce]

Wow, haven't seen any griefing like that. I have noticed some clueless folks that seem to have their headsets in their nether-regions or are one of the two pugs that have joined an all guild run and try to "give advice" throughout the quest that we run up to 6 times as a guild weekly.

Nothing out of the norm like what you are splainin.

[rmstevens]

Some people's fun spoils it for everyone else. Case in point Ran a shroud saturday night and a caster just starts thurin d doors everywhere in part 4 and as soon as we zone in part 5, I ask him to take one and leave my Raid. He just stood at the front door waiting for a completion, funny thing is yea he got his end reward and completion but no end chest. So the joke is on him. And if anyone can remeember his name PM it to me

[Nick_RC]

hmmmm recalling out is pretty bad....

I knw me and a buddy often dual box while we are TRing umpteenth times. But we can duo everything the whole way up and only put up the lfm to help others out...

N

[Quietstorm]

hmmmm recalling out is pretty bad....

I knw me and a buddy often dual box while we are TRing umpteenth times. But we can duo everything the whole way up and only put up the lfm to help others out...

N

noone cares, you're a noob

[Visty]

if they reenter and then leave to screw your xp, report them

easy

[Quietstorm]

if they reenter and then leave to screw your xp, report them

easy

Its not a reportable offense

[Visty]

Its not a reportable offense

griefing isnt reportable?
since when?

[phalaeo]

I have not seen this at all on Argo. To clarify, you mean just....leaving a normal quest? Assuming that the player is not dead and unable to be rezzed?

Is there a reason given for doing this or are people literally just hitting the recall button to screw with others?

[TheJusticar]

hmmmm recalling out is pretty bad....

I knw me and a buddy often dual box while we are TRing umpteenth times. But we can duo everything the whole way up and only put up the lfm to help others out...

N

You're such Lackey :D

[TheJusticar]

Anyone notice that the level of ditching seems to be on the rise lately? I have been around a while but I can not recall a time when there have been this many ditchers at every level... what i find disturbing is that some of these people are in well known and respected guilds. I don't know if these people are relatively new and have built squishy toons that can't hack it or if they are just inconsiderate and passive aggressive. What irritates me the most are these people who deliberately recall out and then re-enter before they ditch... there by costing the group 10% xp if no one had re-entered previously.

If it were only children behaving this way then I'd be more apt to write it off under lack of maturity. However, it is clearly not. It also seems to me that there are kids playing this game with maturity that far exceeds more than a few adults that are playing. Very sad indeed.

Very aggravating indeed. Let me suggest this, put those people in your friends list with noting they re-entered and ditched. Also note their guild name. Then look in my.ddo.com the said guild and contact the leader with the said complaint. If you take a screenshot of the XP report showing the said person re-entering even better. If the said leader ignores/shrugs your comments, you can always post here for people to PM you for guild/character name. Word of mouth in this game is way more effective than trying to have Turbine intervene (which they won't).

Godspeed.

[knightgf]

Word of mouth in this game is way more effective than trying to have Turbine intervene (which they won't).


Indeed. If I were to submit a harassment ticket, the event will be far from over by the time a GM responds, well rather, IF a GM responds. And if I get stuck in a dungeon or area, I could be there for hours on end waiting for a GM to respond. If not days. Which is why I simply recall out, wait for it to reset and try again. Oh, and send a bug report in the hopes somebody reads them, but I bet its just as useful as filling out a "complaint" card and sending it through a little chute, only for it to end up in the garbage.

Customer service is horrible in this game. Granted, its a pretty darn tough job for any MMORPG, but this game seems to shrug it off like its just something for decoration than an actual function. If you have a problem that requires the intervention of customer service in this game, good luck. Because as far as I can tell, Customer Service is WAY underfunded and understaffed in this game. It doesn't necessarily mean you shouldn't try using customer service if you have a problem though...theres probably a 1-in-a-bloodstone chance somebody will respond...just not in a timely manner.

[Quietstorm]

griefing isnt reportable?
since when?

Having someone in your party that recalls and reenters just to recall again is NOT a reportable offense. Find it in the TOS and get back to me.

[Visty]

Having someone in your party that recalls and reenters just to recall again is NOT a reportable offense. Find it in the TOS and get back to me.

its griefing

[Erekose]

Anyone notice that the level of ditching seems to be on the rise lately? I have been around a while but I can not recall a time when there have been this many ditchers at every level... what i find disturbing is that some of these people are in well known and respected guilds. I don't know if these people are relatively new and have built squishy toons that can't hack it or if they are just inconsiderate and passive aggressive. What irritates me the most are these people who deliberately recall out and then re-enter before they ditch... there by costing the group 10% xp if no one had re-entered previously.

If it were only children behaving this way then I'd be more apt to write it off under lack of maturity. However, it is clearly not. It also seems to me that there are kids playing this game with maturity that far exceeds more than a few adults that are playing. Very sad indeed.

I do this every time I join a Dungeons and Dragons guild run.

[Erekose]

To be fair.

I only do it when the person with the star decides to accept somebody 4 levels over the level range of a quest when I am leveling my TR and nerfs the xp by 25%

:)

[Quietstorm]

To be fair.

I only do it when the person with the star decides to accept somebody 4 levels over the level range of a quest when I am leveling my TR and nerfs the xp by 25%

:)

youre an abo

[TheJusticar]

To be fair.

I only do it when the person with the star decides to accept somebody 4 levels over the level range of a quest when I am leveling my TR and nerfs the xp by 25%

:)

This happened to me other the day running MoM with my TR toon. When I joined it was lvl 10-13. In a moment of despair toward the end of the quest, the leader let a lvl16 cleric join us and -- unbeknownst to everyone else we got majorly xp shafted. If I would've noticed the Xp hit, I would've dropped on the spot (though I would never try to shaft anyone's XP by dying or re-entering on purpose).

Godspeed.

[taurean430]

griefing isnt reportable?
since when?

Since now? idk...

We did a TS run the day before yesterday... Some jerk made things much harder for us.

Party leader is putting the party together, and this member decides to spam the party chat with who they want to come. You couldn't even read the comments from other members... just lines and lines of invite so and so. After about 5 mins of this the leader kicks him from the party. He had a typed meltdown regarding the leader filling the last slot with a Cleric, instead of a Sorcerer as this person was insisting on. Other members friendly with the guy put up an argument; so the leader caves and invites the guy back in. So what does this guy do? Nothing... I repeat nothing at all. He entered the quest, refused to move after getting the usual buffs. We enter and work our way through the dungeon. He's still standing there not responding to tells, mic, and party chat. Then, to top it off, he recalls during the fight with the inevitable and comes back in. That cost us xp. Then, when the quest was over, he's still sitting at the start point outside the dungeon. I'm quite sure he intended to loot the chests as well as get free xp (reduced mind you). So, irritated by this I report it. And yes, I am told this is not griefing. I'd like to know how it's not.

I'm not ticked off about it anymore. But I've made it a point to not join any group I see this guy in, as he is useless.

[Phantomizer]

Fortunately, i haven't run into this kind of behaviour, the majority of the players in this game are jerks to be quite honest, i personally ran accross some random fellow i tried helping out by showing him around a couple quests, yesterday he ended up quitting the game for good due to the playerbase.

The issue? inconsiderate players, that even when he politely asked guidance during a quest, was ignored and left behind.

/end rant.

My best advice, kick people like that from the party and move on, if someone complains, they can take the nearest exit with their friend. Better yet, got an idiot that purposely recalls and re-enters the quest costing everyone an XP penalty, ditch him right than and there, even if it means starting over.

I'ld love to get someone like that into a party with a couple of my buddies, we'ld purposely ignore him, get to the end and right before finishing, recall out and ditch him, making sure to leave him there with the time he wasted in a predicament he surely won't be able to get out of, guess who'ld the joke would be on? *Evil Grin*

[Quietstorm]

Fortunately, i haven't run into this kind of behaviour, the majority of the players in this game are jerks to be quite honest, i personally ran accross some random fellow i tried helping out by showing him around a couple quests, yesterday he ended up quitting the game for good due to the playerbase.

The issue? inconsiderate players, that even when he politely asked guidance during a quest, was ignored and left behind.

/end rant.

My best advice, kick people like that from the party and move on, if someone complains, they can take the nearest exit with their friend. Better yet, got an idiot that purposely recalls and re-enters the quest costing everyone an XP penalty, ditch him right than and there, even if it means starting over.

I'ld love to get someone like that into a party with a couple of my buddies, we'ld purposely ignore him, get to the end and right before finishing, recall out and ditch him, making sure to leave him there with the time he wasted in a predicament he surely won't be able to get out of, guess who'ld the joke would be on? *Evil Grin*

well, he could have figured out the quest like everyone else did the first time they ran it. the game didnt come with a "pull that lever, dont open that door" manual.

[Yagi]

Fortunately, i haven't run into this kind of behaviour, the majority of the players in this game are jerks to be quite honest, i personally ran accross some random fellow i tried helping out by showing him around a couple quests, yesterday he ended up quitting the game for good due to the playerbase.

The issue? inconsiderate players, that even when he politely asked guidance during a quest, was ignored and left behind.

/end rant.

My best advice, kick people like that from the party and move on, if someone complains, they can take the nearest exit with their friend. Better yet, got an idiot that purposely recalls and re-enters the quest costing everyone an XP penalty, ditch him right than and there, even if it means starting over.

I'ld love to get someone like that into a party with a couple of my buddies, we'ld purposely ignore him, get to the end and right before finishing, recall out and ditch him, making sure to leave him there with the time he wasted in a predicament he surely won't be able to get out of, guess who'ld the joke would be on? *Evil Grin*


My experience in ddo has been the exact opposite.

[Tymoriel_Ayreweaver]

I have not seen this at all on Argo. To clarify, you mean just....leaving a normal quest? Assuming that the player is not dead and unable to be rezzed?

Is there a reason given for doing this or are people literally just hitting the recall button to screw with others?

I wanted to respond to you but I haven't been able until today.
The final incident that sparked the post was last weekend. I was in a PUG running "The Pit" and this dude got lost. I told him to stay where he was and we would go get him once the current room was finished. Apparently that response was not good enough for him because he started whining about the quest and told us that only A*holes zerg... Amusing analysis seeing that he was the only person lost and the rest of the group was with me. Not sure if that quest is really a zerging quest anyway but whatever. I told him that it was a difficult quest to learn but I would make sure we slowed down for him. Well he didn't listen and he tried to figure out where to go on his own.. he died in the lava. We got him up at the shrine.. thats when he pulled the recall, reenter, drop. Real nice guy. Funny.. he tried to join another of my runs this past weekend. LOL

[Xeraphim]

griefing isnt reportable?
since when?

Since DDO started.

It's not reportable, and often gets the reporter in trouble instead(in my experience).


If you have a silver tongue, I'd say a Harassment ticket might potentially work, but you'd have to be a real smooth talker.

[Tymoriel_Ayreweaver]

Since DDO started.

It's not reportable, and often gets the reporter in trouble instead(in my experience).


If you have a silver tongue, I'd say a Harassment ticket might potentially work, but you'd have to be a real smooth talker.

I wouldn't report them anyway. I agree that it is not a reportable offense. I just add them to my long list of worthless jerks who aren't worth my time. AKA my friends list :P

[Xeraphim]

Fortunately, i haven't run into this kind of behaviour, the majority of the players in this game are jerks to be quite honest, i personally ran accross some random fellow i tried helping out by showing him around a couple quests, yesterday he ended up quitting the game for good due to the playerbase.

The issue? inconsiderate players, that even when he politely asked guidance during a quest, was ignored and left behind.

/end rant.

Jeepers, Batman! It sounds like he was playing during a bad time of day, or just managed to find every cruel bastage on the server! He needs to start back up with a kind guild as his support.


My best advice, kick people like that from the party and move on, if someone complains, they can take the nearest exit with their friend. Better yet, got an idiot that purposely recalls and re-enters the quest costing everyone an XP penalty, ditch him right than and there, even if it means starting over.

Do what I do - write their name, class, and level down on your Blacklist. Mine has 612 members, many of those from Mabar(pre-server merge). Avoid partying with them and remember what they did(if you need to, write that down next to it). After a good 6 months or so I give them another chance, then if they burn me again I put a black tally next to their name, and they are permanently shunned from all groups in which I have influence. Only 4 members have more than 1 black tally, of the 47 that actually have one. I make sure to give everyone another shot(but usually not in a critically important quest or raid).


I'd love to get someone like that into a party with a couple of my buddies, we'd purposely ignore him, get to the end and right before finishing, recall out and ditch him, making sure to leave him there with the time he wasted in a predicament he surely won't be able to get out of, guess who'd the joke would be on? *Evil Grin*

Lovely. Continue the sadism. That won't help one bit. In fact, it will only make the problem worse.

[Dozen_Black_Roses]

Hmmm I have seen it more lately, and it's generally confined to people on TR toons, who do not want any xp penalty, I have seen it with deaths, or one time on a bad pug invaders/temp spine run, when people re-entered. But to be fair to them, they have spelled it out and said hey I can't afford the xp hit due to x, y, z, apologized and then left.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Since now? idk...

We did a TS run the day before yesterday... Some jerk made things much harder for us.

Party leader is putting the party together, and this member decides to spam the party chat with who they want to come. You couldn't even read the comments from other members... just lines and lines of invite so and so. After about 5 mins of this the leader kicks him from the party. He had a typed meltdown regarding the leader filling the last slot with a Cleric, instead of a Sorcerer as this person was insisting on. Other members friendly with the guy put up an argument; so the leader caves and invites the guy back in. So what does this guy do? Nothing... I repeat nothing at all. He entered the quest, refused to move after getting the usual buffs. We enter and work our way through the dungeon. He's still standing there not responding to tells, mic, and party chat. Then, to top it off, he recalls during the fight with the inevitable and comes back in. That cost us xp. Then, when the quest was over, he's still sitting at the start point outside the dungeon. I'm quite sure he intended to loot the chests as well as get free xp (reduced mind you). So, irritated by this I report it. And yes, I am told this is not griefing. I'd like to know how it's not.

I'm not ticked off about it anymore. But I've made it a point to not join any group I see this guy in, as he is useless.

Drag some fire ellies to him, then go Invisible. Cast a few grease spells if he tries to run away.

Then take his stone as far away as possible. get rid of him when when he releases. :D