1 Level of Monk? I don't understand..

[Ministry]

Okay, so everyone is putting 1 level of monk into their Ranger or Cleric or whatever to get the extra stance, feat, enhancement, etc...

Here's my simple question... please and thanks... As soon as I place a 'Non" monk weapon into my hands, I lose the stance.

So, what's the benefit?

Thanks.

[Gol]

Okay, so everyone is putting 1 level of monk into their Ranger or Cleric or whatever to get the extra stance, feat, enhancement, etc...

Here's my simple question... please and thanks... As soon as I place a 'Non" monk weapon into my hands, I lose the stance.

So, what's the benefit?

Thanks.
you get your Wisdom bonus added to armor class when wearing no armor (robes/outfits only) and no shield.

rangers do it frequently because their dex is so high they're wearing robes/outfits anyway.
clerics do it because their wisdom is so high it outstrips the bonus they could get from heavy armor.

[Solostoran]

1 feat
the stance of your choice
wisdom bonus to ac

and maybe the saves

[Ministry]

you get your Wisdom bonus added to armor class when wearing no armor (robes/outfits only) and no shield.

rangers do it frequently because their dex is so high they're wearing robes/outfits anyway.
clerics do it because their wisdom is so high it outstrips the bonus they could get from heavy armor.

TY, but it's strange.

I tried that on my Monk / Cleric, but his ac goes down and so do his stats as soon as I equip a non monk weapon, stating I am no longer centered.

Sorry guys, this is my first time trying out a monk splash and have been gone for 7 months.

:)

[z0mbyjr]

Well, mostly it's the AC...

For Rangers, they often have a high Dexterity, so they will often not wear armor. Taking a level of monk will add their Wisdom to their AC, as well as their Dexterity... also, it gives a free feat. Dodge and Mobility (2 of the Prerequisites for Tempest I) can be taken as monk bonus feats.

For clerics, they have a massive wisdom... often giving them more AC than when wearing heavy armor... Also, you can take the stance of water, which effectively gives you an extra +1 on your spell DCs.

If you equip a non-monk weapon, you'll lose one point of AC... it's just the centered bonus, which is 1 point. Not the Wisdom to AC... if you're wearing any armor, you lose your wisdom bonus to AC.

[Phidius]

TY, but it's strange.

I tried that on my Monk / Cleric, but his ac goes down and so do his stats as soon as I equip a non monk weapon, stating I am no longer centered.

Sorry guys, this is my first time trying out a monk splash and have been gone for 7 months.

:)

If you are in Wind/Ocean stance, you get a bonus to your Dex/Wisdom that translates into a boost to your AC. Once you equip a non-monk weapon, you exit that stance and lose the AC that the extra Dex/Wisdom gave you.

You retain the "Centered" bonus (+1) as well as the Wisdom bonus even when weilding, say, 2 khopeshes.

However, if the weapon you equip is part of a weapon set including a shield, you lose the Wisdom bonus as well.

You also lose the Wisdom bonus if you are wearing physical armor, or are carrying too much (low strength is a pain).

[Ministry]

You retain the "Centered" bonus (+1) as well as the Wisdom bonus even when weilding, say, 2 khopeshes.

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Okay, TY.

But, I'm still losing both as soon as I equip even one non monk weapon and no shield.

I assumed what you wrote was true, or no one would be bothering so much with it, but I don't understand why my clonk becomes uncentered and loses all bonuses, To Hit, AC, Wisdom, etc..

Maybe a bug on my toon?

Oh well... Ty anyways.

[Aspenor]

Okay, TY.

But, I'm still losing both as soon as I equip even one non monk weapon and no shield.

I assumed what you wrote was true, or no one would be bothering so much with it, but I don't understand why my clonk becomes uncentered and loses all bonuses, To Hit, AC, Wisdom, etc..

Maybe a bug on my toon?

Oh well... Ty anyways.

Are you in your medium load? You lose your wisdom AC bonus if so.

[Shaamis]

Are you in your medium load? You lose your wisdom AC bonus if so.

that might be true, also, if he is equipping a weapon he is not proficient in as a CLERIC as well (i.e.:greatsword, or khopesh)

[ArichValtrahn]

You retain the "Centered" bonus (+1) as well as the Wisdom bonus even when weilding, say, 2 khopeshes.

I thought you had to equip monk weapons to stay centered. Thats not the case?

[Aspenor]

that might be true, also, if he is equipping a weapon he is not proficient in as a CLERIC as well (i.e.:greatsword, or khopesh)
proficiencies do not affect retaining wis bonus to AC, AFAIK. Only wearing armor or a shield.

I thought you had to equip monk weapons to stay centered. Thats not the case?
You do, to remain centered. The "centered" AC bonus is poorly named, it should be called "Monk." You gain 1 AC at first level, and 1 AC at 5, 10, 15 and 20 just for being a monk of that level.

[Phidius]

I thought you had to equip monk weapons to stay centered. Thats not the case?

That's quite true. The really fun part is that you don't have to be centered to get the Centered AC bonus. Fun, no?

[ArichValtrahn]

That's quite true. The really fun part is that you don't have to be centered to get the Centered AC bonus. Fun, no?

Gotcha. So youre NOT centered and cannot do anything that requires you be centered. You just keep the AC bonus.

[Ministry]

Okay, so it's my toon that's bugged.

I put on ocean stance with nothing in my hands and we are good.

I place a kama in my hand and I'm still good.

I put a cleric light mace in my hand... (7 Cleric / 1 Monk) and I become uncentered, lose my wisdom and ac bonus.

:(

[Visty]

make a relog after equipping the mace, might fix it

[SimVerg]

Okay, so it's my toon that's bugged.

I put on ocean stance with nothing in my hands and we are good.

I place a kama in my hand and I'm still good.

I put a cleric light mace in my hand... (7 Cleric / 1 Monk) and I become uncentered, lose my wisdom and ac bonus.

:(

That's a bug with ocean stance. Log in, and put a non-monk weapon in your hand without going into ocean stance and it should work.

[Ministry]

I tried everything...

Logging in and out, changing from ocean and sun stance.. etc.

Tried every weapon I am proficient with, and as soon as it's a NON monk weapon, I lose my stat bonus, ac, etc...

Everything.

I came back to the game and see all these 18 Ranger / 1 Monk / 1 Rogues and I'm wondering.. why all the 1 monk.

I assumed the feat, because all the other things go away as soon as I put on a non monk weapon... even if I'm proficient with it.

Oh well.. never really cared for the monk anyways..

Maybe re-roll or message the devs?

[Tuney]

If i recall correctly , monk 'centered' weapons are Kama's , Q-staves , fists and Shurrikens anything else will knock you off 'center'

[Xyfiel]

When I first made my clonk, I constantly had problems when switching weapons losing wis to AC. I would have on 2 gs kamas, load in somewhere and lose it, or just change to say 2 vorpal kamas. I never see this anymore. There were some threads about this trying to pinpoint it down a year ago but I don't recall the outcome. I know I would have to change to any other weapon set even rapiers, back to the gs, then reapply water stance.

I know it was a pita being a intimicleric who occasionally lost 14 AC. And losing +3 wisdom/+6 cha lost me mana and dvs to fix it. I don't recall having this problem on any of my many monk splashes except the cleric. I would stick it out, I believe in time you will change gear or enhancement that will fix it. I am naming it the Clonk Wi(sdom) flag!

[Junts]

TY, but it's strange.

I tried that on my Monk / Cleric, but his ac goes down and so do his stats as soon as I equip a non monk weapon, stating I am no longer centered.

Sorry guys, this is my first time trying out a monk splash and have been gone for 7 months.

:)


You lose:

full bab from flurry of blows
ability to use monk stances (and any stat and ac benefits they provide)
The ability to generate ki
The ability to use any and all monk ki abilities even if you have some (eg, if you were to fill your bar, then swap, they grey out)

You retain:

Wisdom to armor class
"centered bonus' armor class (the 1 ac monks get at 1 5 10 15 and 20, its misnamed)
Evasion, if you got it from monk 2
Any and all feats you took

Wisdom to AC is disabled by equipping an armor or shield; this will -also- uncenter you, and if you are doing that it would explain why you seem to be losing more. Just equipping a non-monk weapon costs you the above.

Most monk/clerics will use potency kamas etc to remain stanced to get the +2 wisdom from water stance tier I. Melee builds (like 18 ran /1 monk /1 rog or 19 rog / 1 monk) simply use robes and no shield and retain the majority of their armor class benefit.

Both weapon and armor equipping will only give you the 'you aren't centered' message, however, the wisdom to ac has nothing to do with centered or not; its separately disabled through equipping an armor or shield.

[Ministry]

kk.. ty all for the posts.

We shall see what happens as I keep going.

I just didn't want to TR into a CLONK and find out the hard way, so I made a 32 point build to find out, and what I've found out hasn't worked for me, but based on all the comments, will keep trying *****.

:)

[JayDubya]

Just to close this out - I discovered (as have others) that if you have a low strength, you can become encumbered (especially if you go into ocean stance). Once encumbered, you lose your wisdom AC bonus. It never returns, even if you choose other stances or drop back to light load, and you must log out/log in to fix the problem (although I feel that I've rested at a shrine and had it fixed sometimes as well).

[Nonan]

If we are talking about centers.. we must consult shaqfu.

[Judo]

i had made a previous post about this phenomenon a couple of weeks ago

by going into a stance, i.e. ocean, it takes away your str, if in doing so, it drops

your carrying capacity, which then takes you out of stance, and bugs your

wisdom bonus to ac, relogging (or shrining as jaydubya had said) is the only way

to fix it

equipping non monk weapons will also throw you out of the stance, thereby losing

all bonuses to ac from said stance, but you wont lose the wisdom modifier bonus to ac