No talking = boot?

[Flintsen]

Yesterday I joined a group for STK on a lvl 5 lowbie and the leader asked me to use the mic to communicate but I wrote that I don't use my mic and was booted. There was no mention at all about needing to speak to quest with him. I type very quickly and I've never in 3 1/2 years had a problem for not choosing to talk. Has this ever happened to anyone else. Is there a problem with typing?

[Lleren]

He should of had "mic required" posted in his lfm...

It is likely more of an issue now with lots of newer folks around. Yes it does happen to others.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

No, not for most of us...as long as you have speakers. Sounds like that was a party with a leader not worth following anyway.

[Phidius]

I don't care if you talk as long as you listen. I tend to type when I'm feeling lazy though - sounds weird, no?

[ezgoezit]

My guess is that the leader uses that as a method to screen out newbies as many of them don't have voice set up.

[rest]

Sounds like someone you're better off not grouping with anyway. At least thats all it took to show you instead of an awful PUG experience.

I'm not a fan of using the mic myself. Only during the Abbot raid, or if I'm drunk and running with guildies :p Some friends of mine that I run with pretty much every day say that I type as fast as they can talk. I think thats a bit of an exaggeration, but I've become an expert at moving and typing at the same time. Did you know if you're running forward, you can type while holding down the W key (as long as none of the words you're using have a W in them anyway)? Kinda amusing.

[Zippo]

I typically use voice but then again from time to time I don't care to talk either and will turn of the mic (not the speakers) and just go ahead and do my thing. Seems a bit harsh even to me to boot someone because they don't talk.

[bubbatron]

going off some of th groups ive been in people not talking can be a blessing - gotta love squelch especially when its annoying teenagers screaming in a quest, i was in one lovely group once with a kid - must of been about 13-14 insisted on calling everyone *** **** munchers quite loudly over the mic ! what annoyed me more was when i told him to stf up he reported ME to a gm for language !!

[DakFrost]

Seems like there are more and more of those "You need to talk" people around.

I clicked to join a Pug last night and got a tell from the leader, "Got a mic?"....."no, why?"....."Mic only"

Really? Are these teenage boys hoping to hear an actual woman's voice over the interweb or just really lonely guys living in their parents basement?

[unionyes]

I almost never use my mic. I have five kids and they make a lot of noise. Somtimes, in the living room, I am playing DDO, they are playing Wii, and the herd of dinosaurs are roaring away on the floor, and someone will be listening to music. If it is too loud, I put the headphones on so I can hear the rest of the party, but using my mic is pointless.

Occasionally I have a problem in a pug, with someone who wants mic only. I never join a pug where that is in the LFM, although I think they are just trying to screen out noobs. Sometimes, I will use my mic, so they can hear the noise in the background, and then it usually isn't a problem.

Although, one time in a Deleras run, I got booted because I wouldn't use my mic. I then proceeded to solo it (with a hireling for the one lever), and sent tells to the party leader apprising him of my progress. I finished the chain about 15 minutes before they did. You don't need a mic to be a good player. You should be able to hear, though.

[Cyr]

/shrug

They certainly should have had mic required in the LFM, but their choice if they want to do that. I just wish that people would stop lying when asked specific things in voice like "Any first timers here?" Had a hound failure last night due to one person ignoring this question, picking up the stones, and sitting there with them for long time doing nothing while everyone was saying whoever grabbed the stones charm the dogs before finally typing "Sorry my first time don't know what to do". About 8-9 minutes in the first dog got charmed.

[Mudcnd]

yea even funnier ive got a warning marker on my account now for language !

How do you know your flagged for naughty language??

[Mudcnd]

/shrug

They certainly should have had mic required in the LFM, but their choice if they want to do that. I just wish that people would stop lying when asked specific things in voice like "Any first timers here?" Had a hound failure last night due to one person ignoring this question, picking up the stones, and sitting there with them for long time doing nothing while everyone was saying whoever grabbed the stones charm the dogs before finally typing "Sorry my first time don't know what to do". About 8-9 minutes in the first dog got charmed.



Meh he prob had the speakers turned off , while you guys planned , and then when things went down the ****er he turned them up.
Seems a lot of new people here dont think that having voice on and loud is necessary.

[aerieon]

I am not the group leader of said group, but to me it sounds exactly like the other threads that go around asking "is it ok to boot person A because they said ""shr plz"" " or other such nonsense to try and "weed out" the lesser beings around. Personally I think your better off without that group. While I do have my mic setup (lol how can one not when one's played as many games as I've played), it doesn't mean I really want to talk over the blessed thing or even more want to hear others over my speakers. Personally I can type fairly fast and use that for communications unless there is really something timesenitive that needs to be done/said. Although SADLY I remember one group I was in, I said don't hit the exploding barrels.. They hit the exploding barrels and proceeded to all die (except me) from the fire elemental. The only reason I lived was because I heard the explosion and went to buff up fire resist to prepair for the fight that was about to happen.. Gotta love when folks don't follow a simple rule even when stated. Also come to think of it, I think there was a warning on the splash screeen before we entered into that partiqular dungeon lol.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

Never in nearly four years have I had this happen and I never use mic.

Noobs if you ask me.

[Emili]

Most time I wish some people would bloody shut the **** up! then do as I think not as I tell. ;)

[Cyr]

Meh he prob had the speakers turned off , while you guys planned , and then when things went down the ****er he turned them up.
Seems a lot of new people here dont think that having voice on and loud is necessary.

Yeah that is possible too mud, not sure if group leader typed it too. Either way toon is on my do not group list.

[PedigreeDN]

I don't use a mic, and I have other people's voice chat turned off too. I don't want to listen to other people when I'm playing an MMO, and I sometimes have my speakers turned off so as not to disturb others in the room with me. Text chat is much more my style.

I haven't had any issues with it so far in-game, but I'm still pretty low level. I imagine you get more people demanding you listen to their voice chat as you go higher in level. I'm happy to just avoid those groups, for the most part.

[uhgungawa]

Most time I wish some people would bloody shut the **** up! then do as I think not as I tell. ;)



Yes Mistress Emili :eek:


On a side note, with the F2P there are a lot of kids joining and I'd rather they type than listen to there screechy little voices ;)

[Linenoise2]

Just start blathering on like a pikey and they will soon beg you to turn off your mic. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LJw6PAi5Q8

[Glenalth]

Yesterday I joined a group for STK on a lvl 5 lowbie and the leader asked me to use the mic to communicate but I wrote that I don't use my mic and was booted. There was no mention at all about needing to speak to quest with him. I type very quickly and I've never in 3 1/2 years had a problem for not choosing to talk. Has this ever happened to anyone else. Is there a problem with typing?

Maybe he couldn't read and didn't want people to know about his "disability"?

[RATRACE931]

I don't use a mic, and I have other people's voice chat turned off too. I don't want to listen to other people when I'm playing an MMO, and I sometimes have my speakers turned off so as not to disturb others in the room with me. Text chat is much more my style.

I haven't had any issues with it so far in-game, but I'm still pretty low level. I imagine you get more people demanding you listen to their voice chat as you go higher in level. I'm happy to just avoid those groups, for the most part.

To be honest I dont mind not having a mic been playing for coming up on 4 years now and i don't care, but no voice chat? I can't tolerate that, every group ive been in during raids/new quests use voice chat to tell people our strategy or what not. If you don't like voice chat i say dont play a game that has a massive voice chat using fan base. You're just going to end up getting a group screwed because it's you first time in ToD part 2 and u go running off after Shadows get the aggro of one almost die and then bring it back to the pit fiend (Seen it happen... twice)

[Zenako]

Part of me is quessing that many times someone might assume that a player with the Mike turned off, also has Voices turned off, so they would be unable to hear other players or the leaders comments or directions or whatever.

Then you end up with the "stupid noob won't listen" threads instead. Do you need to talk to communicate, no, but is it a whole boatload easier for more people than trying to type and play at the same time, absolutely.

At lower levels, the consequences of poor communication can often be completely nullified by superior play and gear. It becomes more of an issue in mid game and can clearly be an issue by the time you are raiding.

[RATRACE931]

As for the OP I use my voice chat 90% of the time, mostly because i can't spell worth a ****. I couldnt se kicking someone for not using voice chat, but with the influx of new players if some1 doesn't respond to me in a reasonable amount of time (Few minutes) i just assume they have chosen not to lisen to voice chat and i will boot them because well they probably don't want to be then anymore than i want them there.

Had a guy in gianthold ask us what quest we were doing 11 times, each time we responded in voice chat, finally he said "I don't have voice chat turned on" we asked him politly to turn it on because we perdominantly use it and he said no its ok just type... Our leader booted him and thats man is my main reason for my behavior.

[PedigreeDN]

To be honest I dont mind not having a mic been playing for coming up on 4 years now and i don't care, but no voice chat? I can't tolerate that, every group ive been in during raids/new quests use voice chat to tell people our strategy or what not.

Nobody's had issues with it so far, though there was one person who was in a guild called "people with mics" who rarely typed anything. I assume he was talking, but he wasn't the group leader so it was okay.


If you don't like voice chat i say dont play a game that has a massive voice chat using fan base. You're just going to end up getting a group screwed because it's you first time in ToD part 2 and u go running off after Shadows get the aggro of one almost die and then bring it back to the pit fiend (Seen it happen... twice)

If it becomes an issue, then I'll probably stick to guild-only runs. Maybe use headphones if it truly becomes necessary to turn it on, though maybe I'll cancel my subscription once I get into the range where people care about it enough where everyone insists on it, if that's what the community is like here. Voice chat is really annoying most of the time I've been forced to listen to it in raid situations in games like WoW, and in console gaming most people who aren't on my friendlist are pretty annoying to listen to, as well.

[Caine52184]

Most time I wish some people would bloody shut the **** up! then do as I think not as I tell. ;)



Good thing I try to type for the most part when we are in group :D.. lol

[RATRACE931]

Voice chat is really annoying most of the time I've been forced to listen to it in raid situations in games like WoW, and in console gaming most people who aren't on my friendlist are pretty annoying to listen to, as well.

Great thing about our game is that the majority of our fanbase is over the age of 25, you don't find many little kids in the higher levels (Though this is beginning to change with the F2P)

[Flintsen]

Great thing about our game is that the majority of our fanbase is over the age of 25, you don't find many little kids in the higher levels (Though this is beginning to change with the F2P)

And now with no sigils for them them to find to lvl they'll be running Shroud pretty soon, oy vey.

[RATRACE931]

And now with no sigils for them them to find to lvl they'll be running Shroud pretty soon, oy vey.

You should screen them out of your party, easiest way is to ask something in voice chat if they dont reply then... waaaaait. ^|^

[Hjarki]

What I find amusing about this is that I've done elite raiding in multiple MMORPGs over the past decade and it's fairly standard that if you're not the leader, you don't talk. From such a standpoint, requiring a mic is roughly the equivalent of having a lfm that states: "must be ignorant newbie".

[GeneralDiomedes]

Never in nearly four years have I had this happen and I never use mic.


And depriving everyone of a nice Scottish brogue? :(

[Letrii]

I am deaf and turn off voice chat so people that pay attention can see that it is turned off.

[Lorz]

My guess is that the leader uses that as a method to screen out newbies as many of them don't have voice set up.

Why not just look at their party name when they join. If voice is on it shows. As for not talking...i recently spent quite a bit of time in game without mic. No one seemed to have a problem with a Noobey with no voice. :) But i could hear and did respond by typing or action.

[Therigar]

Yesterday I joined a group for STK on a lvl 5 lowbie and the leader asked me to use the mic to communicate but I wrote that I don't use my mic and was booted. There was no mention at all about needing to speak to quest with him. I type very quickly and I've never in 3 1/2 years had a problem for not choosing to talk. Has this ever happened to anyone else. Is there a problem with typing?

That's alright, I was booted from a group yesterday because I didn't see the group chat. I'm a mic person and figure if it is important you ought to say it. I have enough trouble just focusing on what goes on in the quest without stopping to read chat boxes or type responses.

Every player will be different and their expectations will be different. In my case, if it is important you'd better say it on the mic & you need to have your sound working so that you can hear what is said. If you want to type unimportant stuff that's fine -- but if it is "TRAP!" or "HELP!" or "Heal please!" then you'd better say it -- cuz its too much for me to be watching the chat box and also attending to the mobs, health bars, etc.

Not that everyone needs to be that way. But, every group is different.

What I would have done was to speak over the mic to show that I was able to do so and then left it at that. I only use the mic when it is important -- or when the whole group is just being chatty. :)

I don't think it was the group leader's problem. You joined, he had a requirement, you didn't want to comply, he kicked you. No different from my situation. I told the group leader via tells that I don't read party chat, we had a short discussion via tells, I ended up staying out of the group.

Haven't really figured out why people don't use the mic. I figure they have something to hide most of the time (usually age or non-native English speakers). But, these are US servers so speaking English should be understood to be an expectation. And, being young doesn't automatically mean incompetent.

About the only time I try to avoid using the mic is when everyone is asleep. I guess if I was trying to hide the fact that I was playing a game (instead of working or something :D) that I might avoid speaking as well. But, in that case I figure that you shouldn't be playing anyway.

A bit rambling, even for me, but I think you get the idea. His party, his rules. There's always another group.

[Ithrani]

I don't care if you talk as long as you listen. I tend to type when I'm feeling lazy though - sounds weird, no?

I do the same thing, guess it is not so odd huh Precious; the two of us don't shut up anyway. Giving our jaws a break is being lazy for us. :D

[Uskathoth]

I am deaf and turn off voice chat so people that pay attention can see that it is turned off.

How do you tell if someone has VC off? Is there an icon somewhere?

On a related note, is there a way to tell what buffs are on a person other than looking for visual effects? I can see my buffs and generally buff everyone at about the same time so I use my buffs as the timer but it would be handy to be able to just look and see. Some things have pretty subtle (non-existant?) visuals.

[suitepotato]

My headsets are all busted (thanks electronics industry for using the most brittle smallest gauge stranded copper wire you can) and I find little need to speak anyhow. I type but there's few opportunities to, and I usually follow others so I need only listen or read and do.

Booting for this is just dumb.

[Rylex_Night-Shield]

It's not so much that party members don't talk, it's the no speakers on or not listening to party chat. Some people like to listen to music during quests, I don't have a problem with that unless that means they're drowning out the chat that's going on in party. Was doing a quest and we couldn't find a healer, I asked group if we felt strong enough to go BYOH and agreed we could. Invited a 6th person in and off we went. Since there was side optional rooms and only 1 shrine, my voice instructions were, don't do optionals, go to main boss room. Well, one guy runs off to open a side room (ahead) and quickly dies alone. He released to the tavern to rez and I quickly booted him out of the party.

Could we have killed the things in the room, yes. Was it worth is in the long run, no. After I kicked him, we then had to kill everything from the room that went into the hallway and saw us coming. Even though it didn't cost us too much resources, it was still a drain. If people can not or will not listen to instructions during a quest, that's their fault, not mine as a leader. It's not my priority to have to type out everything I speak.

I admit, there's a lot of new players out there. With being new, they don't know how to make a solid toon. There's a big diff in new people willing to listen and learn and those that don't. Being a vet player, I can look at a toon and see the positives they could have from what they currently have. But, it they wish to not listen to advice, that's they're right too. Just as it's my right to put them on my squeltch list. It's not that a new player is new to playing, it's their ignorance and closed mindedness that gets them DAS BOOT!!!

[Zippo]

I don't use a mic, and I have other people's voice chat turned off too. I don't want to listen to other people when I'm playing an MMO, and I sometimes have my speakers turned off so as not to disturb others in the room with me. Text chat is much more my style.

I haven't had any issues with it so far in-game, but I'm still pretty low level. I imagine you get more people demanding you listen to their voice chat as you go higher in level. I'm happy to just avoid those groups, for the most part.

The problem you are going to find yourself running into (mostly so in the raids) is that there will be times when specific instructions may be needed. Or certain directions needed to be given that a "War and Peace" type novel of typing just isn't viable. So you are going to find yourself either not being asked to come along or booted first opportunity from the group. Not saying it's right but I can understand the reasoning behind them asking you to be able to hear them. Besides that is what headphones are for.

[Zippo]

How do you tell if someone has VC off? Is there an icon somewhere?

On a related note, is there a way to tell what buffs are on a person other than looking for visual effects? I can see my buffs and generally buff everyone at about the same time so I use my buffs as the timer but it would be handy to be able to just look and see. Some things have pretty subtle (non-existant?) visuals.

If you look at about the 1 o'clock position on your party members class icon on your screen you will see 3 cocentric increasing green lines simulating sound waves. If they are there then they have voice chat turned on, if they are not there then either they have it turned off or in the case that no one has them "YOU" have voice chat turned off.

[Shoal]

Haven't really figured out why people don't use the mic. I figure they have something to hide most of the time (usually age or non-native English speakers). But, these are US servers so speaking English should be understood to be an expectation. And, being young doesn't automatically mean incompetent.


There are many reason other than "hiding something." I don't like using the mic unless I'm leading, because I can't stand the inevitable collision of speech in a six-person conversation with no visual queues to avoid interrupting. I also don't like using a mic, because my wife and I tend to not like constant noise (like hearing one side of a six-way DDO conversation). Text is also less personal, and that feels like less effort for me when I want to pretend that the party members are my hirelings :).

[Lilliana]

Haven't really figured out why people don't use the mic. I figure they have something to hide most of the time (usually age or non-native English speakers). But, these are US servers so speaking English should be understood to be an expectation. And, being young doesn't automatically mean incompetent.



I realise the server stand on US ground, but after Turbine opened up with Unlimited, people from all over the world can play. I'm not sure you can really expect everybody to be fluent in spoken English anymore, or fluent in understanding spoken English.
If this is a requirement, I would have liked to know, before I started playing.

I don't mind having speakers on and try to understand the group/leader. But I would be sad if I was kicked from the group, because I had problems understanding what was said and had problem talking English fluently.

Do I read you wrong, Therigar? It seems to me you are saying I should be able to speak English fluently or else not play/group?

[Yeric]

Touch typing? In the dark? Not from this old man. Mike and headset all the way. I dearly love the back and forth that takes place in our humble guild runs. I also enjoy listening to the chit chat in pugs when old friends meet up. What befuddles me is pugs where talking isn't really allowed or encouraged. My Dog that is a long quest, even if it is under 10 minutes. I love it when the leader is typing in instructions for the next part while everybody is getting loot from the chest or when buffing. From where I sit. Getting dropped for whatever arbitrary reason is just attempted elitism.

[Zippo]

Touch typing? In the dark? Not from this old man. Mike and headset all the way. I dearly love the back and forth that takes place in our humble guild runs. I also enjoy listening to the chit chat in pugs when old friends meet up. What befuddles me is pugs where talking isn't really allowed or encouraged. My Dog that is a long quest, even if it is under 10 minutes. I love it when the leader is typing in instructions for the next part while everybody is getting loot from the chest or when buffing. From where I sit. Getting dropped for whatever arbitrary reason is just attempted elitism.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1221/1067329364_feace8ac77.jpg


Backlit for the win :D

I really love mine, works well just in general for when your playing if prefer it darker in the room or like me the only light coming from the tv.

[Kiralyn2000]

Haven't really figured out why people don't use the mic. I figure they have something to hide most of the time (usually age or non-native English speakers).

Never used a mic in any game. Never had my own landline in my room when I was younger. Don't use a cell phone except for needed calls. Just not much of a chatterer. It's not my style. (But, then, I'm also not much of a casual socializer, so I don't tend to pug in games either. /shrug)

[CSFurious]

i only use my mic when i need to tell people what to do

based on that reason, i rarely if ever lead groups

i prefer to type because i talk enough during the day at work

i want to relax when i play the game and i do not need to use a mic to relax

that leader was a poofta

[Ranmaru2]

How do you tell if someone has VC off? Is there an icon somewhere?

There's a Green ))) on the character's icon on the party HP bars that shows if someone has voice chat on, if not, then it is not there.

[Emili]

Good thing I try to type for the most part when we are in group :D.. lol
Yes, so sorry… actually like when people converse just could not resist the jest. :D


Yes Mistress Emili :eek:
… ;)
Now YOU! /whip crack … Bloody who untied your gag? Now go get my black thigh-high boots with the stiletto heals. :D (http://Oh/dear/this/leather/thong/seems/be/chafing/me/perhaps/we/shall/slide/them/off.) ;)

[uhgungawa]

Now YOU! /whip crack … Bloody who untied your gag? Now go get my black thigh-high boots with the stiletto heals. :D (http://Oh/dear/this/leather/thong/seems/be/chafing/me/perhaps/we/shall/slide/them/off.) ;)


Yes mistress Emili :)

[Samiusbot]

I was pugging on Orien last night about to do WW, and the leader asked if “anyone could open elite?” After asking a few times the group headed in on hard, as we had no opener. About halfway done in prt 1 this super loud guy comes on an starts to cry that we are doing hard not elite. He was yelling and the game sounds were blasting over his mic.

The leader started to explain that we didn't have an opener so we went in on hard. And all we heard was a lot of game noise and I can too open on eilte! He and his guildie both recalled and dropped.

I was promoted to leader and posted a fresh lfm, 'Must have a clue and respond to voice or group chat. WW pt1' never got a bite. Guess that clues are not the norm on that server.

[Cyr]

I realise the server stand on US ground, but after Turbine opened up with Unlimited, people from all over the world can play. I'm not sure you can really expect everybody to be fluent in spoken English anymore, or fluent in understanding spoken English.
If this is a requirement, I would have liked to know, before I started playing.

I don't mind having speakers on and try to understand the group/leader. But I would be sad if I was kicked from the group, because I had problems understanding what was said and had problem talking English fluently.

Do I read you wrong, Therigar? It seems to me you are saying I should be able to speak English fluently or else not play/group?

I group with plenty of Chinese players who speak no English at all. However, most of those are very competent players who need no help or instruction and in quests where that is required there is almost always a speaker who knows both. If you are in an English speaking group then yes if you are not a pro or there are different ways to do something and you can't pick it up by observation then you have to have a way to understand the group. Otherwise, you should be posting your own groups advertising for whatever language play you want in there. Chinese on Sarlona are a good example of this again. They put up LFM's with Chinese in the text box. You know those are Chinese groups. They also put up the English name or requirements in English too sometimes. Then you know they can and will speak some English to impart any needed information. If in doubt I will join a Chinese group and say hello and something else in English to see if I can be understood. If so then I know they know my native language and I know that they can communicate with me and vice versa if needed.

So long story short. No you certainly don't need to speak English to group in DDO. You do however need to understand what the group is doing. If you jump into an English speaking group, stay silent so people have no way of knowing you have no idea what they are saying, and then do something dumb because you can't understand people then they have every right to be annoyed at you.

[Nonan]

I have had this happen to me a few times as well. I play in a coffee shop sometimes so I cant have VC on, but I usually can hear what is going on, sometimes not.

IF some Dillweed bumps me, then I usually challange the group to a race to see if i can complete the quest by myself first.. lol.


Also, whats with the horribly specific LFM's must have an intim-dwarf-barbarian with 403 HP's and 40 AC to join STK Elite Group level 6-9??? Groups are kinda gettinmg out of hand either being way to over powered or just plan crazy make ups.

FYI peeps, you dont always need a cleric or a rogue or a tank (what ever that is!!!!) Rangers and Pallies can whip wands afetr a fight, buy some heal pots you slackers and you dont need to be able to talk, just know what the heck you are doing and play.....

/rant off

Apologies for the highjack if it turns into that..

[Lilliana]

I group with plenty of Chinese players who speak no English at all. However, most of those are very competent players who need no help or instruction and in quests where that is required there is almost always a speaker who knows both. If you are in an English speaking group then yes if you are not a pro or there are different ways to do something and you can't pick it up by observation then you have to have a way to understand the group. Otherwise, you should be posting your own groups advertising for whatever language play you want in there. Chinese on Sarlona are a good example of this again. They put up LFM's with Chinese in the text box. You know those are Chinese groups. They also put up the English name or requirements in English too sometimes. Then you know they can and will speak some English to impart any needed information. If in doubt I will join a Chinese group and say hello and something else in English to see if I can be understood. If so then I know they know my native language and I know that they can communicate with me and vice versa if needed.

So long story short. No you certainly don't need to speak English to group in DDO. You do however need to understand what the group is doing. If you jump into an English speaking group, stay silent so people have no way of knowing you have no idea what they are saying, and then do something dumb because you can't understand people then they have every right to be annoyed at you.

I seldom have problems understanding the written English, it is the spoken English that is my problem, especially when accents come into play.

I have always used English when I play games, and I have never had problems with groups or being understood or understand them. But then again, I have always played games where we used typing and not voice.

My concern is, that is seems I _have_ to speak English fluently and understand the spoken English to group in this game. This is my concern and at this point I am coming more and more to the conclusion I should simply stay out of grouping.
I was planning to tell the group, if I didn't understand them or perhaps just start out explaining I'm not native English speaker.
But the more I read these forums, the more I get the idea I will be booted and ridiculed for it instead of helped.

I don't know, I'm just more used to other settings from my previous games, where people just got along, did what they could to help and did their best to communicate in their broken English.

But thank you for the input, Cyr and for letting me know, there is room for a non-native English speaker :)

[KayJMM]

Well, I am not a natural english-speaker. I can read and write well enough, but speaking is something else... :P

I play mostly with friends from Brazil, and we use the voice chat on portuguese... If someone joins us (pretty rare, as we almost always have a full team on) we can speak english, but we wont change our gibbering to it... and boy... we cant stop talking... We talk about all things, from weather to how was everyone´s day. If the "visiting player" can stand us, he is welcome... If we have any important thing to say about the quest or the game, we talk on english for him/her. Or even type, if needed.

Oh... and when I am inspired... I sing... all the time...

[Yeric]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1221/1067329364_feace8ac77.jpg


Backlit for the win :D

I really love mine, works well just in general for when your playing if prefer it darker in the room or like me the only light coming from the tv.

Saitek. A fine keyboard. Got one. Old, like me. We are both a bit on the dim side. Typing is not my finest skill with these fingers. Nice picture, by the way. I think I need a new one.

[Yeric]

Well, I am not a natural english-speaker. I can read and write well enough, but speaking is something else... :P

I play mostly with friends from Brazil, and we use the voice chat on portuguese... If someone joins us (pretty rare, as we almost always have a full team on) we can speak english, but we wont change our gibbering to it... and boy... we cant stop talking... We talk about all things, from weather to how was everyone´s day. If the "visiting player" can stand us, he is welcome... If we have any important thing to say about the quest or the game, we talk on english for him/her. Or even type, if needed.

Oh... and when I am inspired... I sing... all the time...

I am on another server. I may roll one up on yours just to get in on that singing!

[Zippo]

Saitek. A fine keyboard. Got one. Old, like me. We are both a bit on the dim side. Typing is not my finest skill with these fingers. Nice picture, by the way. I think I need a new one.

Actually I switched to the Lycosa from Razer. It has a better feel in the keys then the saitek did. Almost a non slip rubber feel to the keys as well as being lower profile (more like a laptops then a desktop keyboard) on it. All back lit too.

http://rnjy.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/lycosa.jpg

[uhgungawa]

currently have a genI G15
http://cdn2.afterdawn.com/hardware/standard/5418.jpg
till I can get a G19
http://media.obsessable.com/media/2009/01/10/300/logitech-g19-1.jpg

[calvinklien]

Is there a problem with typing?

not in my book. and yea, sounds like the dude was a schmuck and not worth playing w/frankly for doing that to you. however i've found the most successful groups are when EVERYONE is able to SAY "Trap dudes" or "Secret Door" some people just don't wanna read. probably some "Vet" or "Zerger" who normally accuses others of being "too lazy" about other things and ironically, is too lazy to read your chat.

i do find that i miss allot of typed chat tho, so sorry to all you i've played w/that thought i was ignoring you. i don't always hear the *ding* involved w/a typed message. some folks would rather stay in combat mode w/no text coming through.

[Zippo]

not in my book. and yea, sounds like the dude was a schmuck and not worth playing w/frankly for doing that to you. however i've found the most successful groups are when EVERYONE is able to SAY "Trap dudes" or "Secret Door" some people just don't wanna read. probably some "Vet" or "Zerger" who normally accuses others of being "too lazy" about other things and ironically, is too lazy to read your chat.

i do find that i miss allot of typed chat tho, so sorry to all you i've played w/that thought i was ignoring you. i don't always hear the *ding* involved w/a typed message. some folks would rather stay in combat mode w/no text coming through.

http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/ignorance.jpg

[calvinklien]

http://maaadddog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/ignorance.jpg

care to explain? easy to call someone ignorant or wrong, harder to defend your point. and i never claimed to be brilliant, just gorgeous.

or do you just hate me cuz you hate me? or do you just hate? hate much? love much? bah, who cares?

[7-day_Trial_Monkey]

i do find that i miss allot of typed chat tho, so sorry to all you i've played w/that thought i was ignoring you. i don't always hear the *ding* involved w/a typed message.

That problem is easily solved by having an extra chat window that only shows party chat. That way nothing can scroll your party chat off the window before you see it.

[Zippo]

care to explain? easy to call someone ignorant or wrong, harder to defend your point. and i never claimed to be brilliant, just gorgeous.

or do you just hate me cuz you hate me? or do you just hate? hate much? love much? bah, who cares?

Explanation: Your attempt at fact from conjecture.

[Kalari]

Triming the fat of the posts in this thread im at this conclusion

INstead of making this yet again another "rude vets vs newbie victims" type deal lets just get it straight

Op joined a grouped typed he didnt use a mic got the boot.

OP you should be glad you didnt get stuck running with those who wont bother to read, they probably are the same types that ignore warnings and dm text and rush threw the npc dialogue then whine about the challenge of the dungeon. I personally find illiteracy a bad thing so I think you lucked out that those too busy to read your comments which is a valid form of communication too much for their standards.

Believe me im in a big guild many of us do enjoy the mic (I remember a time where you couldnt pay me to talk over one) but we do have many who dont talk and type its a two way street. Now if the Op had joined and just not replied that could have been a red flag, we have many people on our servers who do not understand English and while I have no troubles running with them miss-communication can and has lead to trouble in groups.

But anyone who boots ya without proper reason (ie you being a jerk or liability to the party via your actions) is not worth sweating over. Be them vip, vet, f2p or new player a jerk is a jerk and theres no amount of time played or sub fees that will change that.

/soap box

[calvinklien]

Explanation: Your attempt at fact from conjecture.

still weak and doesn't cut it. i think you're just in a crummy mood. *shrug* let's not sideline the OP's thread, how's that sound?

Send me all the hate you want in PM's, Zippo.

[cardmj1]

I don't care if you talk as long as you listen. I tend to type when I'm feeling lazy though - sounds weird, no?

Actually, I do the same.

[Zippo]

still weak and doesn't cut it. i think you're just in a crummy mood. *shrug* let's not sideline the OP's thread, how's that sound?

Send me all the hate you want in PM's, Zippo.

It's not hate I'm just calling you on a BS assumption.

[Stormanne]

probably some "Vet" or "Zerger" who normally accuses others of being "too lazy" about other things and ironically, is too lazy to read your chat.


Was with you right up until you had to put an assumption like that in your post. Then all credibility went right out the window...

Op, the leader was the posterior of a donkey. Don't sweat it as he probably saved you more time and effort than it was worth.

To the non-native English speakers, if you can type, read, or understand basic English, you're golden in my book. And if you are a native French, Spanish, or Chinese speaker, I may be able to understand you if you keep it slow and childlike for me...:D

[calvinklien]

It's not hate I'm just calling you on a BS assumption.

without explaining a thing regarding my original post which did address the OPs question without insulting people like.. oh, you. yea, i made an assumption, big deal. now, take it too PM's unless you are to wussy (substitute the w with a p if you want). last time i acknowledge you on this thread.

[calvinklien]

Was with you right up until you had to put an assumption like that in your post.


bottom line is we've all supported the OP in the fact that the party leader who dropped him was simply rude.

[Zippo]

without explaining a thing regarding my original post which did address the OPs question without insulting people like.. oh, you. yea, i made an assumption, big deal. now, take it too PM's unless you are to wussy (substitute the w with a p if you want). last time i acknowledge you on this thread.

While you may have *tried* to address the op's question you made an assumption that you can not back up and try to pass off as fact. Although from your posting history it shouldn't surprise me really. You have an obvious chip on your shoulder and quite frankly I could care less what you think of me even. You don't want to be responded to in that fashion then don't try to pass your assumptions as fact.




Oh and why would I be scared of you?

You do however remind me of this guy: http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/2546/lolintvm4.jpg

[Zippo]

finally some specificity. yea, it could've been a newb or a noob or a whatever. big deal. bottom line is we've all supported the OP in the fact that the party leader who dropped him was simply rude.

gah you vets and zergers are soooo touchy touchy. like walking on eggshells.

Well lets see what assumptions did you make in that post hmmmmmmm I wonder????

You're a pure genius dude welcome to ignore.

[calvinklien]

then don't try to pass your assumptions as fact.


well that picture was funny but i'm at least TWICE that kids weight. ;)

and i take it back, i'll respond.

note: i used the word: PROBABLY, nowhere did i say "It was factually a vet" hence the "walking on eggshells" statement.

but i stand by it, it PROBABLY was a vet, i find them rudest *shrug* that's from personal experience IG and on the forums, people w/1k + posts. bah, this bore me. by zippo. i love you. *hugs then gives wedgie*

edit: since when did assumptions become such a siN? oh yea! since i started reading the DDO forums!

having said that, there are allot of really super cool vets and i enjoy an occasional zergish run although i'm not good at it because i don't know the quests like the back of my hand which is why i still find this game fun. when i know 'em too well i'm outta here and on to the next blockbuster hit. ;)

[Alizar]

SNIP
I have enough trouble just focusing on what goes on in the quest without stopping to read chat boxes or type responses.
SNIP

SNIP
In my case, if it is important you'd better say it on the mic & you need to have your sound working so that you can hear what is said. If you want to type unimportant stuff that's fine -- but if it is "TRAP!" or "HELP!" or "Heal please!" then you'd better say it -- cuz its too much for me to be watching the chat box and also attending to the mobs, health bars, etc.
SNIP

SNIP
Haven't really figured out why people don't use the mic. I figure they have something to hide most of the time (usually age or non-native English speakers). But, these are US servers so speaking English should be understood to be an expectation. And, being young doesn't automatically mean incompetent.
SNIP


Main reasons why I don't use a mic:
1. It takes away from my character.
2. It takes more energy to talk.
3. I play the game to escape reality, no interest in blabbing over my mic during my escape.
4. I don't like talking to my computer.

Now, what bothers me is that you type this:

SNIP
Haven't really figured out why people don't use the mic. I figure they have something to hide most of the time (usually age or non-native English speakers). But, these are US servers so speaking English should be understood to be an expectation. And, being young doesn't automatically mean incompetent.
SNIP

after I don't know how many posts made by obviously competent players saying they never use mics. Open your mind to the possibility that there are players out there that are better at the game then you and don't use mics. Your almost stating as much yourself by posting this:
SNIP
I have enough trouble just focusing on what goes on in the quest without stopping to read chat boxes or type responses.
SNIP

[calvinklien]

You're a pure genius dude welcome to ignore.

awesome. i welcome it.

[Twerpp]

If the guy with the star wants people with voice he has every right to boot you. This is a video game, speed is good, if you are typing you aren't healing, moving, nuking, etc.

"Got it?"

"Yep."

[Ague]

I like to do a bunch of favor runs with PUG's... I have a Rogue6/Ranger2 and I sometimes run with toons that don't have any type of spot skill whatsoever... I like to use the voice-chat when I am doing these runs bc I am usually the party leader and it's easier when I run into a trap spot to just tell people to stop advancing so I can disarm the trap... that's about the only useful purpose I have found for voice chat... I don't care if the other party members have it or not...

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I don't use a mic, and I have other people's voice chat turned off too. I don't want to listen to other people when I'm playing an MMO, and I sometimes have my speakers turned off so as not to disturb others in the room with me. Text chat is much more my style.

I would boot you for that. Don't care if you don't want to talk, but be prepared to listen. Your choice of making our communication more difficult means I choose not to play with you.


I am deaf and turn off voice chat so people that pay attention can see that it is turned off.

I trust you tell people why its off so they understand and don't just think you are a jerk like the guy above? If so, that's kool. You will unfortunately be left out of a lot of the communiction but if you say why most players will do our best to keep you involved and informed.

[Uskathoth]

My concern is, that is seems I _have_ to speak English fluently and understand the spoken English to group in this game. This is my concern and at this point I am coming more and more to the conclusion I should simply stay out of grouping.
I was planning to tell the group, if I didn't understand them or perhaps just start out explaining I'm not native English speaker.
But the more I read these forums, the more I get the idea I will be booted and ridiculed for it instead of helped.

I don't know, I'm just more used to other settings from my previous games, where people just got along, did what they could to help and did their best to communicate in their broken English.

But thank you for the input, Cyr and for letting me know, there is room for a non-native English speaker :)

Lilliana I don't think the forums are representative of the game in general, especially now that it is free-to-play. I experience much less negativity in-game than the forums would indicate. I think people often come to the forums to complain so the anecdotes they post are skewed toward the negative.

I would not take the "must speak" postings too seriously; many people prefer to type. Letting people know English is not your native language is a good idea though so people realize that typing is preferable.

[Uska]

No communication = boot from me but I dont always use a mic myself so I can forgive that, sounds like the guy saved you some grief as you proably dont really wont to run with someone like that anyways.

[aerieon]

I would boot you for that. Don't care if you don't want to talk, but be prepared to listen. Your choice of making our communication more difficult means I choose not to play with you.



I trust you tell people why its off so they understand and don't just think you are a jerk like the guy above? If so, that's kool. You will unfortunately be left out of a lot of the communiction but if you say why most players will do our best to keep you involved and informed.

To ME this seems like such a double standard. I mean seriously for most of the quests there really isn't anything that has to be said that you couldn't spend a few seconds and just type it out. Yea there might be a trap, or other gotcha that if you don't know the quest will get you killed, well if you can't hear it in voice then that's the risk you run. NOW if we are talking about a raid, well then I would think if you don't have atleast voice on it will be increadibly difficult for you espically a first time through, and I can sadly see why folks would boot someone without voice (at least to hear).

[uhgungawa]

To ME this seems like such a double standard. I mean seriously for most of the quests there really isn't anything that has to be said that you couldn't spend a few seconds and just type it out. Yea there might be a trap, or other gotcha that if you don't know the quest will get you killed, well if you can't hear it in voice then that's the risk you run. NOW if we are talking about a raid, well then I would think if you don't have atleast voice on it will be increadibly difficult for you espically a first time through, and I can sadly see why folks would boot someone without voice (at least to hear).
People shouldn't have to type just because you don't have VC on. But that is all that should be expected. Anything that needs to be vocalized can be shifted to another player.

[aerieon]

People shouldn't have to type just because you don't have VC on. But that is all that should be expected. Anything that needs to be vocalized can be shifted to another player.

Like I said a majority of the quests there really isn't anything to be said, so how does this hurt you? If they don't have voice on then they don't have voice on, there are many reasons to not have it on and a few to have it on. To say it's required for a "normal" group doing "normal" content is really silly, doing raids yea you will need it, doing something that is hard maybe depends on the quest but even then it still isn't that hard to take a few seconds to type to someone if it is THAT important.

edit: I guess I am just a little more sensitve to this subject since in other games i've run across folks that can't hear, and also folks that can't have the voice up because it would wake others in the room.

edit2: Ok after rereading it a few times I think i am catching the jist. Basically your saying that just because they don't have voice on doesn't mean everyone now has to stop using voice for general chit chat. Which I agree. It's like being in a group of folks that english isn't thier first language. I don't ask them to speak english only, if it is something important they can usually just type WAIT.. then they type in whatever it was that needed to be said, or say it in english if they are that proficient.

[Yagi]

I wont talk on the mic, I have one, I dont want to use it for a mmo, I'm not going to use it. I can hear voicechat just fine though and if you have something to say worth listening to, I am listening and if I dont catch it all, I will let you know.
If somebody wants to boot me for not talking on a mic, thats fine with me, I probably dont want to be in their group anyways.
In older games I've run 100+ player raids where we'd fight multiple bosses across multiple zones while dealing with pvp fights+trains on several fronts without any audio imput at all, I shouldnt need to say a single word for us to walk the butcher's path or whatever. Voicechat in mmo's is normally a pet peave of mine, but at least in this game its actually built in and the game is meant to have it so I'll go halfway and always be able to hear people speak if they are being constructive.


I have hearing problems from the service anyways, and I dont realize how loud I speak sometimes, especially when I mix this game in a way that I can hear all the spells being cast and monster audio cues while being able to hear people's voices perfectly clear. You really dont want me to use my mic. I do use it sometimes when commanding in action games but thats a different beast, those games are very loud and its ok if I dont notice that I am talking in a manner that would drown out an approaching jetliner. I also have several animals who can be extremely loud, one of which gets annoyed when I talk to my computer and hops over to it and screams.

Plus I dont like accidentally interupting people or being interupted.

[Flintsen]

If the guy with the star wants people with voice he has every right to boot you. This is a video game, speed is good, if you are typing you aren't healing, moving, nuking, etc.

"Got it?"

"Yep."

I have no problem with that but put it on the LFM, very simple. I'm a big boy, I just wanted some feedback from the community on what they thought about this behavior and if it was acceptable in general. From the consensus it's not.


"This is a video game, speed is good, if you are typing you aren't healing, moving, nuking, etc. "

I beg to differ my good man, notice the join date I've never had a problem zerging or healing due to typing.

[PedigreeDN]

I would boot you for that. Don't care if you don't want to talk, but be prepared to listen. Your choice of making our communication more difficult means I choose not to play with you.


I'd rather not be in a group where people refuse to type, so that's fine. I do appreciate the people who put the requirement for voice chat in their "looking for" ads though, so I can avoid those teams in the first place.


I trust you tell people why its off so they understand and don't just think you are a jerk like the guy above?

I'm a "jerk" because I don't enjoy listening to voice chatter while playing a game? Lovely.

[Ishbel]

Interesting. I use voice chat mostly, but often times when I join a group, I type hello rather than speak it. I do this simply because often times people are already talking and I either don't want to interrupt or I want them to 'hear' me and know that I'm communicating. If I got dropped for typing hello rather than speaking it, I'd laugh. Sometimes I join a group in which no one is using voice. In that case, I type for the most part, since that's what the group seems to be doing. It would be funny if groups like this start booting voice-chatters. =P

[Shoal]

I was pugging on Orien last night about to do WW, and the leader asked if “anyone could open elite?” After asking a few times the group headed in on hard, as we had no opener. About halfway done in prt 1 this super loud guy comes on an starts to cry that we are doing hard not elite. He was yelling and the game sounds were blasting over his mic.

The leader started to explain that we didn't have an opener so we went in on hard. And all we heard was a lot of game noise and I can too open on eilte! He and his guildie both recalled and dropped.

I was promoted to leader and posted a fresh lfm, 'Must have a clue and respond to voice or group chat. WW pt1' never got a bite. Guess that clues are not the norm on that server.

:) I was in this group. Went much better with 4.

[Kalari]

While I respect anyone who does not want to use voice, I do think if a person puts "must have mic" in their lfm's they should be respected.

Just on the flip side another thread from awhile ago where a person was flamed for hating voice chat, said they he purposely joined groups and let them know typing that he would never use such..

If you dont want to talk or hear others talking make your own groups make sure its clear that "no voices allowed" or Typing only or preferred.

The beauty of ddo and most mmos is that there is a group for everyone and even if you get the occasional types who get hurt cause they feel their being "excluded" at least you know your in a group with people who feel the same way as you do.

I can accommodate people who dont want to talk, but if you cannot hear me give an request especially in the heat of a fight then it becomes an issue. Sometimes the rogue is busy and cant type trap so they need to be able to let the party know so no one goes charging up front. And some of us do play a social game to socialize (strange eh?)

But I do get different strokes for different folks but it does boil down to forming or joining groups that have your mindset instead of trying to enforce our way of playing on others. Yeah I prefer more social type groups but if someone doesnt want to talk I dont think they should be forced to. But listening? yeah I expect that for my groups no reason not to it could me the difference between a smooth run in some cases and a total failure.

[PedigreeDN]

I got dropped from a team for the first time last night. I presume it was because of the voice chat thing, because nothing was 'said' in party chat about it. I had joined, said hello in the party chat, had a bit of a conversation with a couple other members through text, and while we were waiting for everyone to gather at the mission entrance(the Delores chain, I think it was), I got booted.

One of the other party members sent me a tell apologizing for it, and said he thought the leader was rude to do that. I wasn't annoyed, just amused that it happened for the first time so soon after talking about it in this thread. Much better to have it happen right away, before any questing started.

I joined up with another team about a minute later doing the same quest chain, had a few more chatty types in the party chat in that one, and we went through the chain on Hard mode just fine. Then I joined up with some guildies later (none of whom use a mic, as far as I know) and did some more questing.

This kind of thing doesn't bother me at all, though it would've been nice to get a "Sorry, we only want people with voice chat" before the boot. But not a big deal.

I'm actually not very interested in 12-person raids anyways, which sounds like it's where a lot of the posters in the thread think that voice chat is absolutely essential. The raids sound very WoW-like from what I've heard of the experience. So we'll see if the game continues to be mostly non-voicechat-friendly as I keep levelling. :)